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Is it just Ladbrokes singling out Neteller by imposing higher WR on deposits?<br />
If the trend is across many establishments then you could see some justification with it. But the sticking point is this: Moneybookers is very similar to Neteller but they so far have been exempt from this change.<br />
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If the issue with Neteller is fraudulant activity then surely this is done on an account by account basis. VWM obviously has made numerous deposits using this method with no problems. Neteller isn't exactly new, it has been around for years. So why is this suddenly an issue?<br />
This debate on what should be a simple issue seems to throw up more questions than answers.<br />
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There is this from that link casinotimemike posted<br />
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I made over 5000 from these offers last year. The first offer was 1.5% cashback, with no limit on how much you could make, and I managed to make 4000 in around 6 weeks just by transferring a few thousand backwards and forwards as much as possible.<br />
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Ended up getting banned from all the casinos and sportsbooks I was using, and had 3000 stuck in bluesq for nearly a week whilst they investigated my account. they ended up giving my money back minus a fee (5% i think).<br />
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So if this offer comes up again and you want to give it a go, I'd suggest that you read the terms and conditions of each merchant you're using very carefully, and be ready with a good story if they ask you why you keep moving so much money around!
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...but AGAIN, surely this can be detected, and dealt with, on an account by account basis, and NOT simply a blanket ban on EVERYBODY, "abuser" and genuine players alike.<br />
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I see that transfers to and from betfair are now excluded from this..
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Merchants can simply exclude themselves from ANY Neteller promotion of this type, so WHY don't Ladbrokes do this, and save themselves the bad PR.<br />
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This argument for banning or restricting promotions based on the deposits having come from Neteller is "dead in the water", since there are mechanisms for dealing with the issue at source - get exclusion from the promotion, and Neteller users intending to "abuse" this promotion will NOT be depositing at Ladbrokes.<br />
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Casinos also ask (or at least expect) that deposits are made with the intent of using them for wagering. The player in the first quote appeared to just move money in and out repeatedly. He may have made 5000 (pretty damn good for a 1.5% cashback), but he has been banned from "every casino", and charged a hefty 5% fee at bluesq.<br />
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Whilst Neteller ARE running a cashback promotion this month, it ONLY applies to funds that are transferred into Neteller from a card or bank, and NOT for funds moved back from merchants, and into other merchants. This seriously limits the scope for abuse, since it costs 1.5% to deposit into Neteller by card, but the cashback is only 0.5%. Bank transfers are free, but take a while to show up.<br />
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IF this nevertheless is what has worried Ladbrokes, then the Neteller restriction will be LIFTED for January, since this Neteller promotion will have finished.<br />
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The fact that these have made it onto these money saving forums is probably why merchants have started to exclude themselves in the last couple of years.<br />
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Nonetheless, WHY can't the casinos simply SAY this has been the problem (if it has), why the SECRECY. Secrecy feeds conspiracy theories, and this is EXACTLY what is happening now, since this does NOT "hold water" as an explanation for the Neteller restrictions, since merchants have the option to exclude themselves by contacting Neteller, and getting on the list of excluded merchants.<br />
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I have today received emails from Vegas 7, Vegas Poker, and Colosseum. Instead of BANNING Neteller, they are granting 10% EXTRA just for depositing by Neteller during December, neatly coinciding with the current "abusive" cash back promotion. Jackpot Factory have their Christmas promo, leaderboard based, but points for DEPOSITING (50 for a spin on the points slot), this is the WORST POSSIBLE promotion to be running alongside a Neteller cashback for moving money in & out of casinos, and the Jackpot Factory actually REQUIRES money to be moved in & out in bulk, otherwise you stand absolutely NO chance of winning.<br />
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Are both sets of management COMPLETELY NUTS!!!!!!</div>