Expired Promo L&L Europe Unlucky Leaderboard Promo

[Kroffe]

Changing the rules wont change anything.
Guess who will win if rules are changed?
People doing the minimum allowed and/or using the rules to their advantage, just like it is now.
And then this discussion will pop up again.

I think for things to change, a purge of the people clearly abusing the lax rules are needed.
The great comp-cleansing.
But i understand why Jan does not want to be "that guy" doing such things.

 

[geordiecolin]

Well I am off to bust my balls in Yeti

 

[ESCJAMIE]

I suggest a mimimum amount of spins on any 20p slot as compulsory and no playing on slots that allow us to play one line only. After those spins are taken then no others spins count towards the weekly
That will make it a truley level playing field

100% agree however it would take jan FOREVER to check every single account and every single game they have played to work out the RTP ect, I do think if you win a prize you should be checked to see if you have been abusing the competition some how, I just think the higher the amount of spins to qualify the better as regardless if your doing 1 line or 20 lines over a longer period of spin the RTP is more like it should be, so if your doing 500 spins in a week and getting a low RTP is more fair UNLUCKY doing 100 and getting low RTP

 

[Scott1baird]

I suggest a mimimum amount of spins on any 20p slot as compulsory and no playing on slots that allow us to play one line only. After those spins are taken then no others spins count towards the weekly
That will make it a truley level playing field

Can't really do that as its an all games promo. You can't decide that one player can't play a certain game because it doesn't suit you. If that's the case then I suggest no slots that are considered high variance at all or no slots that have a buyin feature for non UK players. Or any slots that have an rtp of over 94% also perhaps we shouldn't allow games that you can bet over 20 pence. See where this is going? Everyone wants the competition to be in there own favour. I'm sure if this was set to possibly a highest rtp for one month then you could possibly get new or old winners. As I said each week 100 spins. For the monthly you need to have taken part in all the previose weeks before hand.

 

[Kroffe]

Just change the comp to "Lucky leaderboard"
Its not like its an unlucky leaderboard now anyways.
Higest rtp instead of lowest wins.
200-300 spins min per week, must take part all weeks to be apart of the monthly draw.

Then everybody can have a chance at winning, without changing their play to suit the rules.

 

[greylady]

Poor Jan

He just can't seem to get it right for doing wrong.

It may be an option that any one person can only win a weekly one once in any given month, then everyone has the opportunity for the monthly one.

It just always appears to be the same people winning not just these comps but others too with the minimum spend and the minimum effort - lets play fair folks and give everyone a chance.

 

[Gaz237]

At the end of the day, it is only one person who is blatantly taking the piss ( Cough Nikan).

Not only is he taking the piss out of Jan, he is taking the piss out of every one of you who enters the comp.

The idea of this comp is great (award the losers some money back) But the rules are flawed and can't really understand what L&L gain from it, as the way it's set up, it's rewarding people to play less spins.

 

[thr0b]

Their gain is more people playing at their sites, and positivity about their brands.

 

[colinsunderland]

The idea of this comp is great (award the losers some money back) But the rules are flawed and can't really understand what L&L gain from it, as the way it's set up, it's rewarding people to play less spins.

It isn't supposed to be though, its based on trust that players don't take the piss. Obviously that trust is misplaced with certain members.

I wonder why there are so few comps on here now. The big casinoeuro one that was on here a couple of years back was abused quite badly too.

 

[Gaz237]

Their gain is more people playing at their sites, and positivity about their brands.

All it seems to have done is bring animosity in this thread.

Looking back at some of the previous results, Couple of others seem to stop at 100 spins when it suits them and claim that's all they could afford

Scott and Jamie should get their moral compass checked also.

 

[bamberfishcake]

Come on people. The main reason Jan, or anybody running a comp , will get fed up is because of all our bickering and mud slinging.

Some more constructive attempts at a rule change would be of more benefit than moaning about whats happened.

How about we get together with some constructive ideas rather than moaning about whats happened and is done?

I dont think Jan wants to be checking if people are spinning on one line as i imagine it will be a lot more time consuming.

Put your moans to bed and come up with a suggestion or just dont bother posting - If you have nothing good to say then dont bother saying it as its already been said 10 x over in the thread.

I feel privileged to have the opportunity to win something over and above the average player because of my CM involvement. You should feel the same and not want to ruin it.

 

[goatwack]

Moans & bed seems like an awfully long time ago now

 

[nikantw]

I have another idea. The leaderboard based not on the RTP alone, but instead use this formula:

RTP*2000/Spins

So basically if you did 2000 spins your score is the same as your RTP.
And if you have 2 people with the same bad RTP, the one that did most spins is considered most unlucky.

I believe if we apply this in last week @Kroffe gets the best score

I will repeat this one. @RyanABC already likes it.
Perhaps with a small change: RTP < 95% and cap the denominator of the formula at 5000

 

[bamberfishcake]

I will repeat this one. @RyanABC already likes it.
Perhaps with a small change: RTP < 95% and cap the denominator of the formula at 5000

Example please, i dont follow the formula lol

 

[Supababe]

At the end of the day, it is only one person who is blatantly taking the piss ( Cough Nikan).

Not only is he taking the piss out of Jan, he is taking the piss out of every one of you who enters the comp.

The idea of this comp is great (award the losers some money back) But the rules are flawed and can't really understand what L&L gain from it, as the way it's set up, it's rewarding people to play less spins.

i am confident about 3 taking the piss, and on the fence about 2/3 more if truth be told. But it’s not my comp. not my house.

. See where this is going? Everyone wants the competition to be in there own favour.

There are a few people who are arguing in there own favour but many trying to look for even and fair solutions.
It’s the line between the addicts and players.

But as for you! You will spout endlessly to keep things as they are because you are one of the self-serving members of our community.
You clearly showed your stance and viewpoint a couple of weeks ago with your comments regarding loyalty. All about what you can get by working just within the rules.

And this is definitely my penultimate post here so no point in quoting and replying to this.

 

[Supababe]

I will repeat this one. @RyanABC already likes it.
Perhaps with a small change: RTP < 95% and cap the denominator of the formula at 5000

I tried 97.4% - rtp divided by spin count.
Lowest number wins... but it didn’t quite work lol

 

[nikantw]

Example please, i dont follow the formula lol

I tried 97.4% - rtp divided by spin count.
Lowest number wins... but it didn’t quite work lol

For example:

RTP 80%, spins 2000, score 80*2000/2000 = 80
RTP 20%, spins 250, score 20*2000/250 = 160

So with the formula the one with RTP 80% gets the prize because he has lower score (because of the 2000 spins he did).

 

[ESCJAMIE]

All it seems to have done is bring animosity in this thread.

Looking back at some of the previous results, Couple of others seem to stop at 100 spins when it suits them and claim that's all they could afford

Scott and Jamie should get their moral compass checked also.

So me depositing £10 all I "could" at the time afford playing 10/20p spins on novomatics/greentube my fav type of game makes me need to check my moral compass?, Like come on now I have even said in the past Im not taking part in some weeks as Ive won before only doing the bare minimum NOT BY CHOICE and ive felt guilty that I can not spent as much as others there for not been able do do 1000s of spins and I felt like others should win as why should I win when I dont hardly play. You have no idea of anyones Fiances and how much people can afford to play ect, I have said MANY times to Jan to change the rules to UP the amount of spins, I have also told Jan he should check peoples accounts to see if they are cheating so to speake. If by uping the amount of spins makes it so I DNQ there fair enough I aint bothered but I do think that having more spins is the only fair way forward which ive said for a while now even when having a low amount of spins had made me money.

 

[bamberfishcake]

OK so with Nikantw's formula (i didnt realise the * was a x) one of the leaderboards would have looked like this.....

CM	RTP	SPINS	Final Score
nikantw	0.00%	6	DNQ
ESCJAMIE	8.93%	44	405.90
danofthewibble	44.77%	207	432.56
dave1888	48.25%	270	357.41
helenakp	50.00%	4	DNQ
Supababe	61.90%	248	499.19
geordiecolin	63.59%	368	345.59
colinsunderland	70.49%	88	1602.04
jumboshrimp	76.62%	963	159.13
Scott1baird	85.76%	815	210.45
bamberfishcake	92.17%	1502	122.72
irish-ranger	94.52%	5933	31.86
Nate	95.02%	6226	30.52
luckyscouser45	102.83%	5105	40.28
Kroffe	109.00%	17928	12.15
ternur	157.69%	489	644.95
johnnymcc1966	177.72%	366	971.14

Based only on formula RTP x 2000 / Spins our winners would have been Kroffe, Nate and Irish-Ranger.

I think this is a much fairer system. My only hesitation was around Kroffe's result and being the winner (nothing personal buddy its just i dont see 18,000 spins at 109% as being unlucky and neither do you i think).

To prevent this i agree with Nikantw's idea of a cap on the number of spins and to qualify your RTP must be below 95%. Kroffe may still have won as his RTP may have been lower over his first 5000.

Now i know there are ways to play this also but its a much fairer system more open to a variety of winners, hopefully.

To the members who want out, please dont, please! Together we can make these competitions epic and i prefer a full leaderboard and love you all even if we disagree - i always say better to be vocal than to keep quiet.

What does everybody think?

 

[geordiecolin]

OK so with Nikantw's formula (i didnt realise the * was a x) one of the leaderboards would have looked like this.....

CM	RTP	SPINS	Final Score
nikantw	0.00%	6	DNQ
ESCJAMIE	8.93%	44	405.90
danofthewibble	44.77%	207	432.56
dave1888	48.25%	270	357.41
helenakp	50.00%	4	DNQ
Supababe	61.90%	248	499.19
geordiecolin	63.59%	368	345.59
colinsunderland	70.49%	88	1602.04
jumboshrimp	76.62%	963	159.13
Scott1baird	85.76%	815	210.45
bamberfishcake	92.17%	1502	122.72
irish-ranger	94.52%	5933	31.86
Nate	95.02%	6226	30.52
luckyscouser45	102.83%	5105	40.28
Kroffe	109.00%	17928	12.15
ternur	157.69%	489	644.95
johnnymcc1966	177.72%	366	971.14

Based only on formula RTP x 2000 / Spins our winners would have been Kroffe, Nate and Irish-Ranger.

I think this is a much fairer system. My only hesitation was around Kroffe's result and being the winner (nothing personal buddy its just i dont see 18,000 spins at 109% as being unlucky and neither do you i think).

To prevent this i agree with Nikantw's idea of a cap on the number of spins and to qualify your RTP must be below 95%. Kroffe may still have won as his RTP may have been lower over his first 5000.

Now i know there are ways to play this also but its a much fairer system more open to a variety of winners, hopefully.

To the members who want out, please dont, please! Together we can make these competitions epic and i prefer a full leaderboard and love you all even if we disagree - i always say better to be vocal than to keep quiet.

What does everybody think?

I just want to support the CM exclusive promos that are provided by the reps and casino's win or lose so whatever keeps folk sweet is all. I've probably done about 1000 spins already this week when I could have played 100 spins at 20p on one line. But that would just be plain wrong

 

[thr0b]

OK so with Nikantw's formula (i didnt realise the * was a x) one of the leaderboards would have looked like this.....

CM	RTP	SPINS	Final Score
nikantw	0.00%	6	DNQ
ESCJAMIE	8.93%	44	405.90
danofthewibble	44.77%	207	432.56
dave1888	48.25%	270	357.41
helenakp	50.00%	4	DNQ
Supababe	61.90%	248	499.19
geordiecolin	63.59%	368	345.59
colinsunderland	70.49%	88	1602.04
jumboshrimp	76.62%	963	159.13
Scott1baird	85.76%	815	210.45
bamberfishcake	92.17%	1502	122.72
irish-ranger	94.52%	5933	31.86
Nate	95.02%	6226	30.52
luckyscouser45	102.83%	5105	40.28
Kroffe	109.00%	17928	12.15
ternur	157.69%	489	644.95
johnnymcc1966	177.72%	366	971.14

Based only on formula RTP x 2000 / Spins our winners would have been Kroffe, Nate and Irish-Ranger.

I think this is a much fairer system. My only hesitation was around Kroffe's result and being the winner (nothing personal buddy its just i dont see 18,000 spins at 109% as being unlucky and neither do you i think).

To prevent this i agree with Nikantw's idea of a cap on the number of spins and to qualify your RTP must be below 95%. Kroffe may still have won as his RTP may have been lower over his first 5000.

Now i know there are ways to play this also but its a much fairer system more open to a variety of winners, hopefully.

To the members who want out, please dont, please! Together we can make these competitions epic and i prefer a full leaderboard and love you all even if we disagree - i always say better to be vocal than to keep quiet.

What does everybody think?

Again though, that system does appear to reward luck rather than bad luck.

Generally, I think the system is fine as it is.

 

[nikantw]

Again though, that system does appear to reward luck rather than bad luck.

Generally, I think the system is fine as it is.

Not at all. It simply gives greater value to the bad luck from a greater number of spins.
The 2000 multiplier and the 5000 cap can be smaller if people feel they are too high for small budgets.
For example it could be 1000 and 2000.

 

[bamberfishcake]

Currently people are leaving the comp because it can be manipulated.

Happy to leave this scenario as it is but i think the new suggestion is much fairer.

Just look at the original leaderboard and the amended one and i think you will see this way is better.

No fuss if everybody wants t keep the same. Just dont like to see people leaving the comp thats all.

Edit: Another suggestion, if Jan is agreeable, would be to trial this and if it doesnt work to the majorities liking, change back.

 

[Scott1baird]

In case you hadn't noticed

i am confident about 3 taking the piss, and on the fence about 2/3 more if truth be told. But it’s not my comp. not my house.





There are a few people who are arguing in there own favour but many trying to look for even and fair solutions.
It’s the line between the addicts and players.

But as for you! You will spout endlessly to keep things as they are because you are one of the self-serving members of our community.
You clearly showed your stance and viewpoint a couple of weeks ago with your comments regarding loyalty. All about what you can get by working just within the rules.

And this is definitely my penultimate post here so no point in quoting and replying to this.

In case you hadn't noticed I kinda gave up on the comp and decided to play different games hence the 11k spins last month. Al I was saying is that of course people would love to change the rules to better themselves who wouldn't. Which is why it shouldn't be changed if its an all slot comp then that's the game. And it is a game its not meant to be taken seriously its an add on. If your playing your usual game and get a prize woo hoo if not then I hope you got a cash out. I really don't see why your having a go at me. Try having a go at the actual people who are playing to win each week and month. Now that's clear, very clear. And as as loyalty? I deposit at Allbritish every week sometimes two or three times a week. Depending on how I do at other sites. So my loyalty to all British doesn't apply. Your forgetting one thing. L&L Europe are here to make money don't forget that one little bit. Also you should probably stop taking part in certain members own run comps if your really that much against them winning. That's me done with this topic.

 

[Kroffe]

OK so with Nikantw's formula (i didnt realise the * was a x) one of the leaderboards would have looked like this.....

CM	RTP	SPINS	Final Score
nikantw	0.00%	6	DNQ
ESCJAMIE	8.93%	44	405.90
danofthewibble	44.77%	207	432.56
dave1888	48.25%	270	357.41
helenakp	50.00%	4	DNQ
Supababe	61.90%	248	499.19
geordiecolin	63.59%	368	345.59
colinsunderland	70.49%	88	1602.04
jumboshrimp	76.62%	963	159.13
Scott1baird	85.76%	815	210.45
bamberfishcake	92.17%	1502	122.72
irish-ranger	94.52%	5933	31.86
Nate	95.02%	6226	30.52
luckyscouser45	102.83%	5105	40.28
Kroffe	109.00%	17928	12.15
ternur	157.69%	489	644.95
johnnymcc1966	177.72%	366	971.14

Based only on formula RTP x 2000 / Spins our winners would have been Kroffe, Nate and Irish-Ranger.

I think this is a much fairer system. My only hesitation was around Kroffe's result and being the winner (nothing personal buddy its just i dont see 18,000 spins at 109% as being unlucky and neither do you i think).

To prevent this i agree with Nikantw's idea of a cap on the number of spins and to qualify your RTP must be below 95%. Kroffe may still have won as his RTP may have been lower over his first 5000.

Now i know there are ways to play this also but its a much fairer system more open to a variety of winners, hopefully.

To the members who want out, please dont, please! Together we can make these competitions epic and i prefer a full leaderboard and love you all even if we disagree - i always say better to be vocal than to keep quiet.

What does everybody think?

What do you mean?
I was trying my best to get 110% rtp, and missing by only 1%.
If thats not bad luck, i dont know what is.

 

[Scott1baird]

give in.

 

[curremon]

List from last week was supposed to be here today ?

 

[curremon]

@L&L-Jan ?

 

[ESCJAMIE]

Are we gonna do the new format for this month Jan ? Be worth giving it a go for this month

 

[thr0b]

@L&L-Jan May still be busy with his audit

 

[L&L-Jan]

Starting now on 30-12 to 5-1-202 leaderaboard guys....

Yes Dan, was a bit busy and super stressful, but audit is completed and ISO27001 certificate is already released.

I should be ready in about 30 mins.

Kr. Jan

 

[thr0b]

Ah, so your information security is good! Not like some operations we could mention

 

[L&L-Jan]

CM	RTP	SPINS	Notes
johnnymcc1966	61.85%​	263​	£50​
Scott1baird	67.95%​	325​	£25​
Nate	73.80%​	652​	prize to runner-up
colinsunderland	78.74%​	858​	£10​
danofthewibble	79.51%​	608​
nikantw	82.36%​	1607​
ESCJAMIE	82.43%​	860​
geordiecolin	83.89%​	790​
irish-ranger	83.99%​	1045​
Kroffe	84.48%​	7978​
dave1888	86.60%​	1860​
lotusch	86.92%​	1254​
luckyscouser45	92.99%​	754​
curremon	93.25%​	727​
Supababe	117.28%​	5881​
bamberfishcake	135.39%​	2064​
mariafbb	267.54%​	660​

Nice gesture by Nate, he wanted the prize to be credited to runner-up !

Crediting now !

Monday we are back to normal, so I won't be doing leaderboards in between but publish the results every monday!

Questions? Shoot !

 

[ESCJAMIE]

You poor thing @Kroffe

Kroffe

84.48%

7978

 

[geordiecolin]

This week I shall mostly be playing my spins in Yeti Casino as my contribution to this comp. PM sent

 

[colinsunderland]

thanks for last weeks prize, good luck to all going ahead

 

[L&L-Jan]

I am updating leaderboard now, stay stuned ...

 

[Luckyscouser45]

This week I shall mostly be playing my spins in Yeti Casino as my contribution to this comp. PM sent

Hey Colin I don’t think yeti counts mate just hyper all British and casino casino I remember jan saying yeti doesn’t count

 

[thr0b]

Fun Casino also counts.

 

[geordiecolin]

Hey Colin I don’t think yeti counts mate just hyper all British and casino casino I remember jan saying yeti doesn’t count

Damn! I spun thousands of times in Yeti last week!

 

[colinsunderland]

I am updating leaderboard now, stay stuned ...

 

[L&L-Jan]

Nah, Ive taken Geordiecolin casino of choice in consideration. If he would have won, the prize would be added to a different account yes, because Yeti is officially not participating

 

[L&L-Jan]

CM	RTP	SPINS	Notes
colinsunderland	36.16%​	32​	DNQ
bamberfishcake	48.24%​	17​	DNQ
johnnymcc1966	53.12%​	451​	£50​
nikantw	60.24%​	3617​	DNQ
ternur	73.55%​	870​	£25​
ESCJAMIE	86.01%​	2347​	£10​
dave1888	86.43%​	2624​
luckyscouser45	90.86%​	5255​
danofthewibble	91.18%​	683​
jumboshrimp	91.41%​	4584​
Nate	92.25%​	4592​
Supababe	94.38%​	2310​
Kroffe	95.09%​	8235​
geordiecolin	176.77%​	467​

 

[Luckyscouser45]

Damn! I spun thousands of times in Yeti last week!

Oh that’s crap wish yeti was included! as rtp is so bad on there well for me anyway I’ve stopped depositing as much there and stick to all British now how do you find yeti was your rtp rubbish last week?

 

[Luckyscouser45]

CM	RTP	SPINS	Notes
colinsunderland	36.16%​	32​	DNQ
bamberfishcake	48.24%​	17​	DNQ
johnnymcc1966	53.12%​	451​	£50​
nikantw	60.24%​	3617​	DNQ
ternur	73.55%​	870​	£25​
ESCJAMIE	86.01%​	2347​	£10​
dave1888	86.43%​	2624​
luckyscouser45	90.86%​	5255​
danofthewibble	91.18%​	683​
jumboshrimp	91.41%​	4584​
Nate	92.25%​	4592​
Supababe	94.38%​	2310​
Kroffe	95.09%​	8235​
geordiecolin	176.77%​	467​

Well done winners and also award for most spins goes to me and Kroffe

 

[curremon]

@L&L-Jan where am i ?

 

[L&L-Jan]

61.50% - Think I skipped your username with formula mate, not on purpose of course !
2nd prize granted to Hyper ! That prize wont affect the above published winners.

 

[curremon]

Yeah thank you!

 

[ESCJAMIE]

WOW thanks for 3rd didnt think I had a chance this week

Where was it added

Thanks Jan x

 

[ESCJAMIE]

Anyone else having issues deposing at yako ?