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[suzecat]

UK Reveals Secret Reports of Green Aliens

By Jeremy Lovell,Reuters
Posted: 2008-05-14 19:09:15
Filed Under: Top Stories on AOL News, World News


LONDON (May 13) - Aliens from outer space have been visiting Britain for years and UFO sightings doubled after the film Close Encounters was released in 1977, according to secret files collating reports by members of the public.

The alien craft come in all shapes, sizes and colors but their occupants are uniformly green, the Ministry of Defence files show.

The archives are the first batch of a four-year release programme of all the ministry's UFO files from 1978 to the present day.

The ministry dismisses 90 percent of the reports as having mundane explanations and leave 10 percent with a question mark and the assurance they are no defence threat.

A 1983 report from a 78-year-old out fishing at midnight tells of following aliens in green overalls on to a spaceship and then being told to go away because he was too old and decrepit for their purposes.

Two years later, a typewritten letter to the ministry tells of an alien spaceship being shot down in the river Mersey in northern England by another spacecraft and of the author developing a warm friendship with an alien called Algar.

Just as Algar was about to reveal himself to the government he was killed by other aliens, the author of the letter writes. He was still in telepathic contact with an alien called Malcben from the planet Platone in the Milky Way, the author added.

Written at the top of the letter is the terse comment "No reply."

The ministry has files on 11,000 sightings dating back to the 1950s. A few of the sightings made it into the national press and all were checked out in case they were Soviet aircraft probing Britain's defenses during the Cold War.

"Clearly some reports remain unexplained but we have found no evidence that these phenomena represent a threat to national security and therefore cannot justify devoting Defence resources to their investigation," said an official letter in 1985.

Working Party

The term Unidentified Flying Object was coined in a U.S. Air Force report three years after the description 'flying saucer' was applied to a sighting in Washington State in June 1947.

In Britain, so worrying was the spate of reports that a secret Flying Saucer Working Party was formed to check them out.

Like the U.S. Air Force, it concluded flying saucers did not exist. But its final report in 1951 was still classified "secret/discreet" and given very limited circulation.

Not all sightings can be easily dismissed as the working of overwrought or intoxicated minds, or triggered by watching Steven Spielberg's Close Encounters of the Third Kind.

Royal Air Force personnel, civil aviation pilots and air traffic controllers have also reported sightings and radar tracks that remain unexplained despite high-level investigation.

Among the most famous was the sighting on two occasions of unexplained bright lights landing near a U.S. airbase in Rendlesham Forest in southern England. Even the deputy commander of the base put his name to that 1980 report.

 

[Matthew23]

If Aliens really were visting us, they would not be flying A classic 1950's movie style Flying Saucer. They would not have 'lights' and they would not be detected on radar. Infact their technology would have to be so advance that we could not even begin to understand it. We would be like a cat staring into a toilet bowl in amazement.

 

[The Dude]

If Aliens really were visting us, they would not be flying A classic 1950's movie style Flying Saucer. They would not have 'lights' and they would not be detected on radar. Infact their technology would have to be so advance that we could not even begin to understand it. We would be like a cat staring into a toilet bowl in amazement.

Ha ha

The thing is - just because it's a UFO, doesn't mean it's from another world. It means it's "unidentified". Astronomers - who number in the millions - are watching the skies on a nightly basis. Many objects that a normal person might freak out over can easily be explained away (satellite clusters, International Space Station, etc.) I've seen both; when I saw my first satellite cluster, I was convinced I had seen a formation of UFOs - but it was a grouping of five satellites sailing across the sky.

The ISS is awesome right after sunset and can shine brighter than Venus soaring overhead only to suddenly vanish as it falls into the shadow of the earth.

In most cases, science will prevail. Read "Rare Earth: Why Complex Life is Uncommon in the Universe" by Peter Ward and Donald Brownlee

And:

"If the Universe Is Teeming with Aliens... Where Is Everybody? Fifty Solutions to Fermi's Paradox and the Problem of Extraterrestrial Life" by Stephen Webb

Read these two books, and you'll be pretty much convinced that we are alone.

 

[just play]

Do you really think we are the ONLY ones here?

I'm not too sure about that.

 

[BingoT]

As long as they come in Peace They are Welcome

 

[The Dude]

Do you really think we are the ONLY ones here?

I'm not too sure about that.

Probably yes. The chances for intelligent life to develop elsewhere are nearly nill. Most stars that are in the correct position in our galaxy lack the metals that are needed to develop planets like ours. The stars that do have planets have mostly "hot" jupiters - massive gas giants that revolve extremely close to their "suns". These wipe out any terrestrial planets that are located in a narrow "habitable zone".

And those rare planets that might be lingering in their habitable zone need a laundry list of items to be able to harbour life. Life (animal life) is a rare thing indeed. Earth is about 4 billion years old. Animal life (that beyond microbes) has only been around for about 530 million years.

You should read the rare earth hypothesis - and perhaps the book as well

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[just play]

I'm going to pick up the book/books you suggested, this is very interesting to me.

Thanks!



P.S....what's your take on ghosts?

 

[Mousey]

Mousey's 2 cents....

I was approached by a college student years ago with a survey. I turned down the survey when he asked the first question. "Do you believe in U.F.O.'s." Stupid question. Any object not immediately identifiable is a u.f.o., even though later on it may be identified as Venus, or a flock of birds, or a new super secret aircraft being tested.

Do I think we are the only humans? Probably. Bryan covered the basics in his post as to environment, etc. However, I do believe that there may be intelligent life out there in other galaxies, etc. -- but not remotely human. do I think they're 'here' or visiting us? No.

For a sane, though hard line, take on paranormal and fringe science I like (what was once called) CSICOP. Now, the Committee for Skeptical Inquiry. (

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)They had a great slick magazine, but subscription costs kept rising and I dropped it. Always read it from cover to cover.

 

[suzecat]

Went frequently to Muir Woods.............supposed to be loaded with aliens........didn't see any.

Live near "super secret" air base........haven't seen any aliens, but have seen lots of pretty lights.

Would I be afraid to be snatched by aliens? Nope. Can't be any worse than what has been speculated by Hollywood.

 

[Matthew23]

Ha ha

In most cases, science will prevail. Read "Rare Earth: Why Complex Life is Uncommon in the Universe" by Peter Ward and Donald Brownlee

And:

"If the Universe Is Teeming with Aliens... Where Is Everybody? Fifty Solutions to Fermi's Paradox and the Problem of Extraterrestrial Life" by Stephen Webb

Read these two books, and you'll be pretty much convinced that we are alone.

At one stage the greatest minds thought the earth was flat. People believed what was wrote back then to be the truth, just like you believe what is wrote today as being the truth...... 100's of years from now (If we havn't all killed each other by then ) people will read those same books as you have and with all the knowledge gained since then - they'll find it funny how people believed in those books.

I honestly believe that humans do not have the capability to understand the universe. We could try very hard but we would be no better than a cat trying to understand the workings of a toilet flushing ..... It's a good comparison imo lol

Humans tend to believe they are intelligent but who's to say we are? Just take a look at the world and you'll realise we are the opposite to intelligent. We don't even have the intelligence to create a peaceful civilization....

Edit: Watch the movie K-Pax ;-)

 

[The Dude]

At one stage the greatest minds thought the earth was flat...

Then their minds weren't so great . Ancient mathematicians like Pythagoras and Ptolemy (500-150 B.C.E.) knew that the world was round, as did most seafarers and cartographers.

What I'm saying is that science - physics, cosmology, astrobiology, needs to be taken into consideration before pointing at the sky and jumping to conclusions.

Sure there is a lot we don't understand (take dark matter for instance), but we do know a lot.

FWIW - I explain away "flying saucers" as time machines. These are our descendants from perhaps thousands of years in the future who have enabled themselves to become time-travelers. This is one of the reasons they have been so elusive. They come - observe - kill a few cows, or have sex with abductees - and then split

They aren't from another planet - they are from earth

 

[Matthew23]

What I'm saying is that science - physics, cosmology, astrobiology, needs to be taken into consideration before pointing at the sky and jumping to conclusions.

I agree completely. That is also my view. I don't believe in anything unless it's scientificly proven - including Ghosts and dare I say it, God. *Incert crack of thunder sound effect*

I do believe in exterrestrial life, I believe the universe is buzzing with life. I just don't believe they are visting us . There is almost no reason for them to visit.

 

[happygobrokey]

there have even been repeating snowflakes, which we also thought was impossible. can't cite my source on that assertion, but a place i read about that analyzed and compiled data on snowflake uniqueness really did encounter two identical snowflakes (that i believe happened to be of a rarer basic configuration than most as well). the universe is infinite, and if there's a one-in-infinity chance of another world being habitable and having life (or preconditions likely to lead to development of life), then in the infinite universe there should be one somewhere.

it's never ultimately true or false until we find the actual counterinstance or fail to find one. if we could "ping" every planet in the universe in a reasonable amount of time (say 100 years) and determine that no planets existed that either housed life, or were ideal at the time for the encouragement of developing life, then we could assuredly say we're alone. but things are always changing. you can rule out star system after star system by applying the tests for the necessary conditions, but you'll never know if you've ruled them all out or if one spatial body might bump another to a more favourable arc (or deposit some material) and spark life in 500 million years' time in a galaxy far far away.

you may say i'm a dreamer, but i just like to be optimistic. there's gotta be aliens somewhere. also, where do we get off thinking we are all there is in the universe? such a terranocentric point of view! might as well believe in god while you're at it, if we're so damn special, smells like divine intervention. can the scientists really say that they know exactly how and why we came to exist here and that is the one and only true way "life" can come about?

lmao my arguments are so typical sometimes. very deep stuff to think about, though, and i will definitely check those texts out. i love philosophy!

 

[Mousey]

The idiotic 'belief' (primary western countries) that the earth was flat stemmed from the church's control of science. The same for the silly notion that the earth was the center of the universe. Oh, how many great minds were muffled.... imprisoned... tortured...

Anyway... though I'm quite the skeptic, it has never dampened my love of old science fiction (books and movies) or horror novels and old spooky movies and things that go bump in the night. Halloween is my favorite time of year. I love pseudo-history (like Holy Blood, Holy Grail) Guilty pleasures are the sweetest.

 

[Matthew23]

I'm enjoying this discussion.

I've seen similar threads on other forums and they usually end up being locked because people can't accept what others believe in. I think it's important to always respect other peoples believes no matter how much they differ to your own.

 

[just play]

Ghosts! Come on...I want to hear everyones opinions...pleaseeeeeee

 

[suzecat]

Well, ok, since you insist.

Ghosts are disembodied globs of "what's left after you die" and for a variety of reasons have not left this dimension and moved on to "heaven." Could be just not realizing they are dead, er, have no body. Since our life source is pure energy, we know it cannot be destroyed..........it can only change form.

 

[just play]

Well, ok, since you insist.

Ghosts are disembodied globs of "what's left after you die" and for a variety of reasons have not left this dimension and moved on to "heaven." Could be just not realizing they are dead, er, have no body. Since our life source is pure energy, we know it cannot be destroyed..........it can only change form.

So do you believe in them?

 

[suzecat]

So do you believe in them?

Based on personal experience..........YES.

 

[lauram]

I believe in ghosts dont get me started i never use to till few years back where i use to live ill tell you now so do my kids.

 

[just play]

I believe in ghosts dont get me started i never use to till few years back where i use to live ill tell you now so do my kids.

That's how I think it is with everything...."no way, I don't believe in that" then something happens and makes you believe.

Did anyone see Dateline tonight? It was the top 10 UFO sightings...pretty interesting, they had one man dead against UFO's and a few others that believed in them.

Whenever the city/government couldn't explain "those lights, or things" they would say that there was testing going on at that exact time....lol...but never said anything in advance, just after the public wanted to get an explaination.

Sorry Casinomeister, my mind is even more made up in believing that there is something else out there. Not because of the pictures, but because the government would all of a sudden jump up and say "there was testing that night". That seems WAY TOO fishy for me. I mean don't you think they would say to the American people "we are doing bla bla bla tonight" more convenient if you ask me, but instead they get everyone all riled up, and THEN say it. *rolleyes*

 

[RobWin]

How can anyone intelligently believe that we, mere mortal humans in such a very limited capacity are the only intelligent life in this very vast universe ??? That train of thought just blows my mind when you consider the number and also the unknown number of billions upon billions upon billions of solar systems that are included in the billions upon billions upon billions of galaxies that are contained in our universe...and we are all there really is out here, if that's truly the case then we are in sad shape !!

Does anyone here believe any at all in what is written in the Bible, by the way the greatest seller of all times as far as books go...well if you do then go back and read or re-read Ezekiel, what do you think that was that Ezekiel was describing in the book ?? Here's a great link to give a little more insight into what it was that Ezekiel saw...

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[happygobrokey]

nor can mehtap!

spore hits stores september 7th. been waiting for that game.

oh and are we including insect and plant life as life in our discussion, or does it have to be "animal" life, or even "intelligent animal" life? is there such thing as intelligent insect or plant life? could there be, maybe where the development of animal life is hindered but plant or insect life thrives? could there be a way for what we perceive aliens to be configured like to come about naturally? is that a form of animal, or something else entirely? far out man!

 

[Jasminebed]

Aliens in our midst?

there have even been repeating snowflakes, which we also thought was impossible. can't cite my source on that assertion, but a place i read about that analyzed and compiled data on snowflake uniqueness really did encounter two identical snowflakes (that i believe happened to be of a rarer basic configuration than most as well). the universe is infinite, and if there's a one-in-infinity chance of another world being habitable and having life (or preconditions likely to lead to development of life), then in the infinite universe there should be one somewhere.

Happy, that is so strange that you should bring that up. I have been looking for an online source that discusses just that, as I wanted to write a post about RNG's. This is not the specific article that I was looking, but from the Austrailian Broadcasting Co.

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Back to our green-skinned friends. I found this at a site rotten.com that has graphic photos of disgusting things. If you go poking around this site and see something that offends you, don't tell me about it. It's pretty easy to avoid the things you don't want to see, and I thought this would make an interesting addition to this thread.

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The relevant part to this thread discusses hallucinogens. DMT(dimethyltryptamine) a naturally occuring brain chemical, which can also be synthetically produced, that routinely produces visions of aliens and such. Also, "magic mushrooms" seem to produce "green" visions. Much in the way that Viagara can cause users to have a side effect of seeing things as "blue".

Now I do not mean to imply that all reports of UFO's are drug hallucinations, or that people that believe they were abducted are all nutjobs.

I'd like to believe there is other life out there. The universe is a big place and we are on the fringe of our galaxy, out in the sticks so to speak and a little far off the beaten track for most space tourists. Homo sapiens has only been on earth for little blip of cosmic time, and may not be around that much longer. Other animal and plant species have become extinct. I think that there is a VERY strong probability that intelligent life existed before ours or will again because the universe is a very big place.

And I would like to advance another theory. The aliens are here. They do not quite look like us, and have not always a good command of human language.

Yes folks, you guessed it. They are our near and dear Casino Support teams, and that call centre is located on another planet

 

[suzecat]

How can anyone intelligently believe that we, mere mortal humans in such a very limited capacity are the only intelligent life in this very vast universe ??? That train of thought just blows my mind when you consider the number and also the unknown number of billions upon billions upon billions of solar systems that are included in the billions upon billions upon billions of galaxies that are contained in our universe...and we are all there really is out here, if that's truly the case then we are in sad shape !!

Does anyone here believe any at all in what is written in the Bible, by the way the greatest seller of all times as far as books go...well if you do then go back and read or re-read Ezekiel, what do you think that was that Ezekiel was describing in the book ?? Here's a great link to give a little more insight into what it was that Ezekiel saw...

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Thank you Rob! I remembered thinking about the lost books of the Bible and the Constantine connection...........your post reminded me of that thought.

 

[The Dude]

How can anyone intelligently believe that we, mere mortal humans in such a very limited capacity are the only intelligent life in this very vast universe ??? That train of thought just blows my mind when you consider the number and also the unknown number of billions upon billions upon billions of solar systems that are included in the billions upon billions upon billions of galaxies that are contained in our universe...and we are all there really is out here, if that's truly the case then we are in sad shape !!...

The thing is we don't know. And to come to the conclusion that our planet is probably the only one that harbors intelligent life in our galaxy is what is the most unsettling.

Anyone interested in debating whether we are alone or not should take a look at the Fermi Paradox. "If the universe is teeming with life, where is everybody?" It's a collection of theories and essays that try to answer this question:

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[suzecat]

The thing is we don't know. And to come to the conclusion that our planet is probably the only one that harbors intelligent life in our galaxy is what is the most unsettling.

Anyone interested in debating whether we are alone or not should take a look at the Fermi Paradox. "If the universe is teeming with life, where is everybody?" It's a collection of theories and essays that try to answer this question:

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Just a thought...............intelligent extraterrestial life probably finds humans too barbaric to want to visit us in ways that can be detected......maybe a moratorium on violence (for 500 years or so) might be more inviting.

 

[happygobrokey]

how about if the universe is not teeming with life, but say a handful of planets in the universe have intelligent life. it could be that the logistics of the distance involved will prevent us from ever getting first-hand confirmation of alien life.

you go from saying the chance of life is so infinitessimal, and then switch to well then if life does exist, then where the heck is it all? far far away if indeed it does or will have or has had existence. time will tell, if we live long enough to probe the far reaches of space for planets common to our own.

add to this that if a species like us can explore space, there is potential for colonization on worlds which possess many but not all of the necessary traits to instigate life on its own. many worlds might have life, if a race were to evolve enough to adapt/terraform planets to suit themselves. and if we can live in space-faring vessels, we could find others doing so in a star system nearer us than a goldilocks planet where the miracle of life took place.

and if such a race reached far enough into space, it might stumble on another habitable planet that also happened to house life, like little old earth. i don't think it's like star trek, or like scientology, but there's probably some kind of aliens somewhere.

 

[suzecat]

how about if the universe is not teeming with life, but say a handful of planets in the universe have intelligent life. it could be that the logistics of the distance involved will prevent us from ever getting first-hand confirmation of alien life.

you go from saying the chance of life is so infinitessimal, and then switch to well then if life does exist, then where the heck is it all? far far away if indeed it does or will have or has had existence. time will tell, if we live long enough to probe the far reaches of space for planets common to our own.

add to this that if a species like us can explore space, there is potential for colonization on worlds which possess many but not all of the necessary traits to instigate life on its own. many worlds might have life, if a race were to evolve enough to adapt/terraform planets to suit themselves. and if we can live in space-faring vessels, we could find others doing so in a star system nearer us than a goldilocks planet where the miracle of life took place.

and if such a race reached far enough into space, it might stumble on another habitable planet that also happened to house life, like little old earth. i don't think it's like star trek, or like scientology, but there's probably some kind of aliens somewhere.

considering the vastness of "all there is" and being a betting woman, I'd say the odds are that you are correct!