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Jammin Jars

Been playing around a little more with Push Gaming slots lately and its crazy how volatile all there slots is getting features on any of them is most times impossibole and they simply rarely pays anything in basegame.

Did have stupid luck on jamin jars last week 1800x and 980x in 2days havent touched it since i know it will just eat my balance for ages now :D
 
kazzi said:
Been playing around a little more with Push Gaming slots lately and its crazy how volatile all there slots is getting features on any of them is most times impossibole and they simply rarely pays anything in basegame.

Did have stupid luck on jamin jars last week 1800x and 980x in 2days havent touched it since i know it will just eat my balance for ages now :D
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I went 1100 without 3 Jars this morning.

Had to double check it wasn’t Bonanza I’d on.
 
Found these two pics somewhere, when the game came out I believe it was.
But here goes
The win isn't mine.
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So it's apparent then; they've just done bugger all here to mask their efforts to restrict this slots potential.
If you're going to screw us out of potential at least do a decent job of making us think we're not getting shafted.
 
IIRC they never said it can pay 100,000x or more. Already lots of 1000x, 1500x, 3000x, 8000x, 15,500x, 19,500x... what more do you need? :)
I don't care it's a scratch card, never seen or had big wins like this in any slot. It is also fun to play. Only bad thing is the long long long dead spins, but deff a fun game to play.
 
With Nikan on this. We’ve seen it pay big, what more do you want? Yeah, maybe it doesn’t hide the slot scratchcard that well, but I don’t really see the big deal. Put the cash in, click autospin, come back or watch Netflix and who knows it maybe ur turn to pull the 10000x scratch card. Not to everyone’s liking but rather do that that play a game that I know is not going to hit 100x in 100 years, regardless of how unlike a scratchcard it is.
 
I think the big confusion about randomness comes from the appearance of the "reels"
Not every outcome is possible , despite what the reels look like . They're not real mechanical reels which can land in any position - they are just graphics to show you a visual representation of what you win
Otherwise a slot could just be this 0.00 0.00 0.50 2.00 0.00 7.50 0.00 1.00 0.25 0.00 4.00 0.00 etc etc but there needs to be a game or noone's going to play it (well some would like blitz :p)
So then people see a game like jamming jars and imagine that the jars are free to move around the screen whereever they want and all combine for a trillion x win etc of course it's not like this. They are not actual jars moving about freely - the game already knows how much it is going to pay for the spin and it then makes the graphics in order to show you that win amount in a visually entertaining form . So when you see a game don't be fooled by the reels lol they're not REAL (on most game anyway)
 
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SlotGrinder said:
So then people see a game like jamming jars and imagine that the jars are free to move around the screen whereever they want and all combine for a trillion x win etc of course it's not like this.
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People don't need to 'imagine' anything, the rules explicitly state that the movement of the jam jars is random, therefore people could conclude, entirely reasonably, that all outcomes are possible at all times.

The rules of this game are incorrect, deceitful, and manipulative.
 
ChopleyIOM said:
People don't need to 'imagine' anything, the rules explicitly state that the movement of the jam jars is random, therefore people could conclude, entirely reasonably, that all outcomes are possible at all times.

The rules of this game are incorrect, deceitful, and manipulative.
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Oh right. I haven't read the whole thread . Just when I see a game like this and play it I don't really believe those jars can go anywhere at any time . I assume it's somewhat predetermined . Essentially , you are always at the slot's mercy as to whether it's going to pay you or not . The rest is just "entertainment"
 
nikantw said:
IIRC they never said it can pay 100,000x or more. Already lots of 1000x, 1500x, 3000x, 8000x, 15,500x, 19,500x... what more do you need? :)
I don't care it's a scratch card, never seen or had big wins like this in any slot. It is also fun to play. Only bad thing is the long long long dead spins, but deff a fun game to play.
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Yeah im pretty sure push gaming said it had a max win of 20,000x which is enough.
 
ChopleyIOM said:
Anyone up for anymore of this low-rent horseshit?

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While I can understand your views to why you don't like this "scratch card" type slot, I think your missing some of the advantages of it being done this way, which can be beneficial to both the provider and the player,

1. It allows them to balance the wins to the exact way they want.
2. It is easier to calculate its RTP
3. Would most likely hit its expected RTP with far less games. ( giving a lower variance game the illusion of being HV and vice versa )
4. You can be certain what the exact max win is.
5. Larger wins over time should be more consistent and more achievable. ( which we are already seeing compared to other HV slots )

Many could and would argue that its actually a much better way and isn't as far away as you think from other slots when you factor in a lot of features on slots are done this way. ( certain pick me features as an example, which are a pet hate of mine! )


What you probably don't realize is that there will be way more games out there that use this method already without you even knowing it.
 
I saw a shocking event one night when 3 different streamers all got 10x on Raging Rhino! Yep, 3 independent players ALL got the same BoG result! :eek:
 
Reelsoffun said:
While I can understand your views to why you don't like this "scratch card" type slot, I think your missing some of the advantages of it being done this way, which can be beneficial to both the provider and the player,

1. It allows them to balance the wins to the exact way they want.
2. It is easier to calculate its RTP
3. Would most likely hit its expected RTP with far less games. ( giving a lower variance game the illusion of being HV and vice versa )
4. You can be certain what the exact max win is.
5. Larger wins over time should be more consistent and more achievable. ( which we are already seeing compared to other HV slots )

Many could and would argue that its actually a much better way and isn't as far away as you think from other slots when you factor in a lot of features on slots are done this way. ( certain pick me features as an example, which are a pet hate of mine! )

What you probably don't realize is that there will be way more games out there that use this method already without you even knowing it.
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I suspect you're right in that I have played other games that work on similar systems but do a better job of masking it so I didn't realise. However, I don't have any problem whatsoever with pre-determined pick-me rounds, all of 3Dice's pick-mes work on that basis and I'm fine with it, but then again all their slots run on entirely random and uncontrolled spins in the main game, which for me is one of the main appeal of them.

I appreciate what you're getting at with the points 1-2-3-4-5 you make in your post, although I take issue with 3, as some people are having some truly horrible extended runs on this game.

For me personally though the game just leaves me absolutely cold (and remember I did chuck real money at it, over 2000 rounds and achieved an RTP of 70.2%.....).

TBH I think I just like more old-school slots where you can see what's going on, I'd take the original Thunderstruck over Jammin' Jars all week long and twice on Sundays.
 
Thunderstruck and all the 9-liners are by far the greatest and most enduring slots of all time, so when your Megaways, 243s & sratchcard games have long bit the dust, they'll still provide solid no-nonsense game play.

I've not played Jammin' Jars, nor a fan of designers' wonky definitions of 'random', scratchcard game play, or Candy Crush/ Bubble Bobble type games, but as the end user I'm more than happy to be the recipient of some of this game's win output. £1200 off 20p? Yes please!

To all intents and purposes it won't matter too much if the jars move randomly or not, visually they do, and I don't know the end result. So my expectations are random at least :D

That's not to excuse or encourage this format of slotting. I don't think I'll be playing it anytime soon, even if it hands Bonanza its own arse on a platter :cool:
 
ChopleyIOM said:
I suspect you're right in that I have played other games that work on similar systems but do a better job of masking it so I didn't realise. However, I don't have any problem whatsoever with pre-determined pick-me rounds, all of 3Dice's pick-mes work on that basis and I'm fine with it, but then again all their slots run on entirely random and uncontrolled spins in the main game, which for me is one of the main appeal of them.

I appreciate what you're getting at with the points 1-2-3-4-5 you make in your post, although I take issue with 3, as some people are having some truly horrible extended runs on this game.

For me personally though the game just leaves me absolutely cold (and remember I did chuck real money at it, over 2000 rounds and achieved an RTP of 70.2%.....).

TBH I think I just like more old-school slots where you can see what's going on, I'd take the original Thunderstruck over Jammin' Jars all week long and twice on Sundays.
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All I meant with point 3 is you could expect it to be much nearer to expected RTP after millions of spins instead of the normal billions.
 
dave1888 said:
please play jammin on vid that would be hilarious dunover :p
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Absolutely not. I am not even in this thread any more anyway, remember? :D
 
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My shocking RTP on this slot at videoslots. I have not had a win over 100X on it. It is pure filth for me. Just kills my balance every single time I play it.
 
It's a murderous high-variance scratchcard. One session in real play (with an abominable RTP similar to yours) was enough to put me off it for life.

It's not even a proper 'game' IMO, and a very lazily implemented one at that, since they couldn't even be bothered to put enough results into the pool to stop it throwing up duplicate pre-determined win sequences several times over.

All those exciting wins the streamers keep showing on their channels have to be accounted for in the RTP somewhere.
 
No one's saying it isn't capable of paying big wins, Push Gaming have just put enough balls in the bag with big numbers on them for it to do so - the fact it plays like an absolute bag of bottoms for nearly everyone, nearly all of the time, is neither here nor there, player enjoyment be damned!
 
You mean this from that other forum. Fun play.

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So you see, it has options, not always the same scratchcard. That one is 19,684.40x and the other one was 19,480.20x.
It's not like you can predict what will happen when a sequence starts. It is deff not boring.
But it is only for "hit and run" play. Do a few spins and go.
 
nikantw said:
You mean this from that other forum. Fun play.

So you see, it has options, not always the same scratchcard. That one is 19,684.40x and the other one was 19,480.20x.
It's not like you can predict what will happen when a sequence starts. It is deff not boring.
But it is only for "hit and run" play. Do a few spins and go.
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Yep, that is the one. Didn't want to "lift" the picture from there into here, in case of copyright infringement stuff.
 
nikantw said:
You mean this from that other forum. Fun play.

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It's not like you can predict what will happen when a sequence starts. It is deff not boring.
But it is only for "hit and run" play. Do a few spins and go.
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Each to their own and everyone has their favourite slots but I’d argue that with exposure it is getting it would be fairly quickly apparent when you are at the start of a significant win (and can therefore run around the room getting excited without bothering to watch it play out). You may not find it boring which is completely fair, but many do so not really a statement of fact. As for your last statement, I’d say that is the very definition of a scratch card. Buy a few, hope to hit a big win. Stop because you know most of the time you’re only getting half your money back.

One thing is very telling about all this. The rules still have not been changed. The rules still do not state the maximum win of 20,000x. The Push rep has disappeared of the face of the planet. For me, that says everything I need to know.
 
Don’t really see how ‘hit and run’ is any different to playing any type of slot : apply it to the non scratchcard variety; Bonanza, 100 one quid spins, hope you’re below the 460 bonus average and leg it.

Some may find JJ boring but having tried to bonus Immortal Romance in 1200 spins on min bet last night, that wasn’t exactly a riveting experience.
 
Siohmy said:
Each to their own and everyone has their favourite slots but I’d argue that with exposure it is getting it would be fairly quickly apparent when you are at the start of a significant win (and can therefore run around the room getting excited without bothering to watch it play out). You may not find it boring which is completely fair, but many do so not really a statement of fact. As for your last statement, I’d say that is the very definition of a scratch card. Buy a few, hope to hit a big win. Stop because you know most of the time you’re only getting half your money back.

One thing is very telling about all this. The rules still have not been changed. The rules still do not state the maximum win of 20,000x. The Push rep has disappeared of the face of the planet. For me, that says everything I need to know.
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Yes just my opinion :)
What rules? What is the problem with max win? Sorry for asking, didn't read most of the thread. :oops:
 
nikantw said:
Yes just my opinion :)
What rules? What is the problem with max win? Sorry for asking, didn't read most of the thread. :oops:
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The issue with Jammin Jars isn’t so much about the game design (predetermined results) although it is felt that it could be better. The area myself and a few others have issues with is that, by the rules stated, the movement of the jars and therefore outcome of each game is random. This is simply not true. The addition of not inlcuding a maximum win can also fairly be accused to be misleading as it implies each bonus game can have pretty much unlimited potential.

The likelihood of this happening if it were truly random is clearly something more likely than Bonanza as you could end up with a cluster of jars which would just carry on winning. Indeed the general consensus is that the slot was originally designed this way then certain wins were selected as being possible resulting in the slot as it is. At design level the random element of the jars moving was likely true. However that is clearly no longer the case.

Being generous I would say this is an oversight. Being cynical I’d say this, combined with the clear lack of a defined maximum win, is a little “dodgy”.

My standpoint on this has always been from the legal/ethical side. I personally have accepted the slot such as it is and, like a scratchcard and against my better judgement occasionally have 20-30 spins on it. However, the potential in future for manufacturers to present ever increaing, misleading slots with the addition of streamers hitting eye catching wins is potentially pretty serious which is why I don’t take the, “don’t like it, don’t play it” line.
 
Siohmy said:
The issue with Jammin Jars isn’t so much about the game design (predetermined results) although it is felt that it could be better. The area myself and a few others have issues with is that, by the rules stated, the movement of the jars and therefore outcome of each game is random. This is simply not true. The addition of not inlcuding a maximum win can also fairly be accused to be misleading as it implies each bonus game can have pretty much unlimited potential.

The likelihood of this happening if it were truly random is clearly something more likely than Bonanza as you could end up with a cluster of jars which would just carry on winning. Indeed the general consensus is that the slot was originally designed this way then certain wins were selected as being possible resulting in the slot as it is. At design level the random element of the jars moving was likely true. However that is clearly no longer the case.

Being generous I would say this is an oversight. Being cynical I’d say this, combined with the clear lack of a defined maximum win, is a little “dodgy”.

My standpoint on this has always been from the legal/ethical side. I personally have accepted the slot such as it is and, like a scratchcard and against my better judgement occasionally have 20-30 spins on it. However, the potential in future for manufacturers to present ever increaing, misleading slots with the addition of streamers hitting eye catching wins is potentially pretty serious which is why I don’t take the, “don’t like it, don’t play it” line.
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The fact is the rules do say the movement of the jars is random.
The rules don't say the multiplier is unlimited.

I have said many times that GC should force them have max win and chances of certain events/wins happening in the games info file.
Others don't think it is important. Others don't want to know anything, 0 info.
Others even claim that any info will completely destroy the industry.

Anyway, the fact is most GC don't make them reveal such information. They only have to say the RTP and payouts and make sure they don't lie.
What you may call misleading the industry calls "player perception" and they love playing with it.

Nobody did this more than Bonanza. "Unlimited" this and that, pseudo-reels, diamonds left and right but never together, players begging for any info regarding the potential (and never getting any)...
And finally experience teaching us that the only potential we can ever hit is 5000x. Did I stop playing it because of it? No. I don't get whay they had to trick me like that. I don't get it.

Now, after the Bonanza experience, I don't get bothered by JJ even the slightest. It is what it is, everybody already knows it.

Should there be more info in the info pages? I think yes. Others and the GC say no.
 
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The fact is the rules don't say the movement of the jars is random.
The rules also don't say the multiplier is unlimited.
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I think it does. Also by not presenting the true maximum win it is also fair to say that, by implication of above, that wins should be capable of going to any level. Not good enough to say that’s fairly unlikely, it is by design, impossible.

Edit: Do agree that BTG also do present things which are dubious but not, as far as I’m aware at least, untrue.
 
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I think it does. Also by not presenting the true maximum win it is also fair to say that, by implication of above, that wins should be capable of going to any level. Not good enough to say that’s fairly unlikely, it is by design, impossible.

Edit: Do agree that BTG also do present things which are dubious but not, as far as I’m aware at least, untrue.
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Lol, I just looked and didn't see it.... I apologize :p:oops:
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Hmmm but many veteran players have always known that the vast majority of produced games are infact pre programmed & have been this way for years. Especially in bonus round .
Jammin jars does it badly, bonanza although i have no evidence i believe dispite that weve been told does the same thing & many many more.

The rules should be changed to apply the max win in a single spin. & term that this win is capped. Alsoalong the lines of old school slots certain winning combations & all that, pretty much seen on old uk fruit machines.
 
I tried this game over 3 sessions.

Lost the best part of a grand just on 40p and 60p.

My highest win was £80 odd from a feature on 60p. I’ve never known a slot rip you so hard in the base game. Regular £50 deposits on 60p after setting 100 spins going on most occasions left with me less than £10. Most of the features are absolutely dire paying next to nothing yet they seem so hard to get?

I appreciate what it’s capable of, we’ve all seen the numerous videos. I couldn’t give 2 shits about how the bonuses are pre determined but my god can this slot tear you a new one.

Just lucky I didn’t raise the stakes as I was going along. Disgusting game imo.

My 51% on videoslots over 4800 spins tells me all I need to know.

And yes yes it’s a small sample of spins, but who would carry on with a slot that’s done that to you.

I could have played bonanza on those stakes for probably 3 days rather than the 3hrs it took me to lose that much on
this god awful game.
 
You're kind of into mini-lottery territory with games like Jammin' Jars, it's basically a case of win big or go home.

Nonsense like this game is one of the reasons I've eased right back on playing recently, especially since the maths models of modern slots are so bloody opaque that a lot of the time it's impossible to work out what the hit potential is and where the variance lies, and I simply don't have the patience any longer to do thousands of spins in free play mode to work those things out before committing real funds to playing a slot.

Just one note with Jammin' Jars - you're not really getting a 'feature' in the traditional sense, as we observed from one pair of streamers hitting the same big wins, the entire sequence from the base game wins that lead into the 'feature' trigger are all part of the same single pre-determined sequence. Doesn't make any difference as such, but the entire thing is one 'ball out of the bag' pick.
 
That's an amazing hit congrats!

I have won just over 1000xbet (0.20) once but I'm still way down and my RTP at one casino is 44% in 3000 spins.

This game should be played with extreme caution, and I wouldn't deposit to play this anymore.
If I've got a nice high balance only then I would give it a few hundred spins and hope it is in a good mood which tbh is very rare.
 
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11121.4x !!!!!!!:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

Do us a favour mate, there is a special thread for 'Hyper Wins' (over 10,000x bet) which is used about as much as a sandwich toaster.

Can you add it there too?

Hyper-Wins Screenshots (10,000x Stake Plus)

P.S. If this ain't screenshot of the month for January, possibly the whole of 2019, I'll be surprised!

P.P.S. Make sure you PM this image to @ChopleyIOM :D
 

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