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Wow that's the exact visual/audio representation of what Raging Rhino did to me when I dared to play on after winning!!

I was correct though about beata thunderbird, cracking pair of lungs by the looks of it. 😅
I think that her lungs are a big bone on contension between the sisters!
 
It's about to go down in Tehran :eek:
It seems that way. Maybe a tactical nuke on Tehran?

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Trump is getting very tiresome with his truth social smoke signals, he must be the only active user on there.

Short of a boots on ground land invasion or using a nuke, which would be kind of ironic while at the same saying they mustn't get one of these, I can't see how Trump can achieve an overthrow of the Iranian leadership.

Basically, that's what he is insisting on now, and some of the people he's lining up with, Lindsey Graham etc..have no brake.
 
I think that her lungs are a big bone on contension between the sisters!

It's hard to judge musical talent on small excerpts, but I think she might well be in the top 10 of living female vocalists.

I'm sure old greta did a bit of singing once as well, they ought to form a duet and put the bone of contention aside!

 
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Trump is getting very tiresome with his truth social smoke signals, he must be the only active user on there.

Short of a boots on ground land invasion or using a nuke, which would be kind of ironic while at the same saying they mustn't get one of these, I can't see how Trump can achieve an overthrow of the Iranian leadership.

Basically, that's what he is insisting on now, and some of the people he's lining up with, Lindsey Graham etc..have no brake.
Trump has sent USS Nimitz to the Arabian sea. It is out of commission next year and is a sitting duck should Iran or a proxi wish to sink it.
Trump probably thinks that he needs a valid excuse to send American troops to war.
 
Trump has sent USS Nimitz to the Arabian sea. It is out of commission next year and is a sitting duck should Iran or a proxi wish to sink it.
Trump probably thinks that he needs a valid excuse to send American troops to war.

Yes, this is exactly what he's up to (Or those that devise the plans, which he then agrees to sign off).

In the Vietnam situation the ship wasn't actually hit afaik, but this time it probably will be, nothing will upset the public more than a carrier being sunk with the marines onboard, they won't be able to listen to any finer points re why it was there in the first place.

It's funny coming round to being less keen on Trump, but also not for the reasons that were discussed at length in the old NK thread.

Covid was a strong glimpse that, in the end, he'll just go along with things and become the cheerleader for them, the guy who said he'd drain the swamp but then proceeds to help it.
 
Yes, this is exactly what he's up to (Or those that devise the plans, which he then agrees to sign off).

In the Vietnam situation the ship wasn't actually hit afaik, but this time it probably will be, nothing will upset the public more than a carrier being sunk with the marines onboard, they won't be able to listen to any finer points re why it was there in the first place.

It's funny coming round to being less keen on Trump, but also not for the reasons that were discussed at length in the old NK thread.

Covid was a strong glimpse that, in the end, he'll just go along with things and become the cheerleader for them, the guy who said he'd drain the swamp but then proceeds to help it.
I generally like Ted Cruz but I suspect he knows that if he does not support Israel he would not be a senator for much longer. Here he is admitting that America are at war,effectively. Who voted for that?
The full interview was a car crash.

 
Looks like the assclowns have managed to hit a nuclear reactor and leave a Zionist-shaped crater atop it.

'No one is immune' indeed as Bibi's bombing continues unabated, with hospitals and nuclear reactors now fair game it seems, and he ethnically cleanses all about him.....

With Putin it is considered the actions of a deranged tyrant, yet here we have Israel wreaking havoc with impunity, only to trot out the war-crime adjacent rhetoric of having weapons-related intel as to their next target!

Maybe he'll send a squadron to take out that suspicious looking nursery next, God knows what they're stashing in there. What an 'ally' Israel's proving to be! What heroes! :laugh:
 
It makes me laugh tbh. Israel have been so far away from being the greatest ally America has, if you mentioned this 10 or 20 years ago, you'd get slammed an anti semite.
Now... ? silence. lol
Israel-Always the victim when they are everything that they accuse others of being.

They even speed up on roads when driving through Palistinians crossing the road rather than slow down. They killed a pedestrian a few days ago and just drove on laughing but of course unless their is cold hard evidence it is put down to propaganda.
Calling hitting a hospital had Israel claiming "war crimes" when it was just hit by the shock waves after hitting the military building they had built right next door to it for protection. Meanwhile they bombed every hospital in Palistine whith hardly a peep out of our media.

It has to be the longest and biggest war crime in my lifetime.
 
It's funny coming round to being less keen on Trump, but also not for the reasons that were discussed at length in the old NK thread.
I can not recall at all anything posted in the NK thread but I suspect that I would have the same opinion as I have now.
They have not threatened anyone and luckily SK seem content with the states quo.
 
It has to be the longest and biggest war crime in my lifetime.
I generally think all sides are dumb but the way I am plastered by the internet with Israel's words mouthpiecing everytime I open news is unbelievable. I was alive for the war crimes of 1990s but I was way too young. I think what happened in 2000s was terrible but this is 100% a whole new level where a country who has ignored and broken Geneva Conventions and then at the same time pushes it in your face. Just wow
 
I think if one was to look at where the vast majority of donations for Trumps presidential campaign came from (a campaign where he more than once claimed "no more getting involved in foreign wars") then it's looking pretty obvious his decision has already been made.

IMO he's just slowly moving through the stages which lead to the usual; the eventual full involvment in another middle East conflict.
Doing it this way, uhhm'ing and ahhh'ing over how to proceed, he's made sure that there was never a chance for mass protests and maintained the support of the die hard MAGA, 64d plan trusters, until it eventually becomes obvious we've all been had and lied to, by which point, there's no turning back.
I hope I'm wrong, obviously. But I doubt it.


It's almost as if half the Globe cannot connect the similarities leading up to all the previous Middle Eastern wars the USA/UK should never have gotten into, with this one now.
It amazes me that they use the same, over used, half truth persuasions, or just absolute utter lies every time they want to send people to die in the middle East. It's as if they think everyone really is that dumb and has absolutely no memory at all, so the just pull out the same template over and over again.

Let's keep voting though. Love me some democracy!
 
I think if one was to look at where the vast majority of donations for Trumps presidential campaign came from (a campaign where he more than once claimed "no more getting involved in foreign wars") then it's looking pretty obvious his decision has already been made.

IMO he's just slowly moving through the stages which lead to the usual; the eventual full involvment in another middle East conflict.
Doing it this way, uhhm'ing and ahhh'ing over how to proceed, he's made sure that there was never a chance for mass protests and maintained the support of the die hard MAGA, 64d plan trusters, until it eventually becomes obvious we've all been had and lied to, by which point, there's no turning back.
I hope I'm wrong, obviously. But I doubt it.


It's almost as if half the Globe cannot connect the similarities leading up to all the previous Middle Eastern wars the USA/UK should never have gotten into, with this one now.
It amazes me that they use the same, over used, half truth persuasions, or just absolute utter lies every time they want to send people to die in the middle East. It's as if they think everyone really is that dumb and has absolutely no memory at all, so the just pull out the same template over and over again.

Let's keep voting though. Love me some democracy!
We live in a different world now. Most things can be seen in real time despite Israeli efforts to hide what they can- Banning journalists from witnessing events and the prevention of aid. The young have never been so anti war as they are now and are leaving the army in droves or vouching to never enlist.
That gives me some hope for the future although modern warfare is much more reliant on tech and pushing buttons that boots on the ground.
Theoretically a soldier could be blow to bits via their mobiles in future.

What a shit world
 
Yeah. I'm not even that old (lol ok I'm old) but even to a dumbass like me not following news the similarities of every cycle going to war is so obvious, even said by the same people (like the excuse of Iran 2 weeks or 2 months away from a bomb is the same people saying it since 1990s.

But away we go to war. And then later people will pretend to regret it. Its very sad, and very hopeless.
 
Lads I'm from Ireland , and both sets of my grandparents grew up under British rule so tbh I've a soft spot for the Palestinians, I've no time for Hamas or what they done on October 7th but the reaction from Israel and what they're doing now is nothing short of genocide . If you treat people like crap they'll eventually sick of and rise up .

We had it in Northern Ireland , the ruling Protestants treated the Catholics like shit , that morphed into a 30 year conflict, with both sides committing atrocities on each other . Finally both sides sat down in 98 and came to an agreement to stop the violence and it worked.
They both swallowed their pride after years of hating and trying to kill one another, and now we've peace. It's not perfect but at least people don't have to worry about getting blown up while shopping , or getting shot to death while having a few pints on a Saturday night.
I'd be great if both sides could do that over there but there's too many hardliners involved for it to happen .
I really hope Trump can grow a set and tell the Neocons to F off, there'll be no more war . There's 80 odd million people in Iran and the last thing Europe needs is it destroyed, a result of that is millions more refugees coming into Europe and more terror attacks aswell
 
I had a distinct feeling it would be tonight, which then allows the US media to go into full throttle across Sunday with folk at home watching the TV all day.

The neocon gloating will be in full flow, however sounds like Trump wants to draw a line under it for now.
For once I agree with AOC who has called for Trumps impeachement for grave violations of the constitution and congrssional war powers.
At the very least it will ensure that the Reps should lose the next election,but to who? The Dems are no different.
 
I had a distinct feeling it would be tonight, which then allows the US media to go into full throttle across Sunday with folk at home watching the TV all day.

The neocon gloating will be in full flow, however sounds like Trump wants to draw a line under it for now.
I hope Iran swallows its pride and not give those Neocons in Washington an excuse to flatten the country . I say they're praying for an attack on American troops so they can bomb the place , while they sit back and watch their pockets grow . Trump campaigned on ending the war in Ukriane, Gaza and no more foreign wars for America and he's been an abject failure on all those fronts .
 
Ye he's such a tough guy , how many deferments did he get when the chance to fight? Bonespurs .....
I get it, 'Orange man bad'. And yet, last I checked he gave the regime ample time to attempt parlez, which were completely ignored or mocked into oblivion, so I guess we'll never know if those sites were highly problematic. Perhaps you had greater intel than the Americans and Israeli Intelligence services?

It wasn't an ideal situation by any means, but when allied to Israel and trying to de-escalate decades' worth of enmity between these two nations, it was never going to end in a tickling contest. Perhaps you could enlighten us how you would have handled this situation better, other than leaving the possibility of the Middle East becoming embroiled in all-out war all by itself?

I take issue obviously with key infrastructure being destroyed systematically by the likes of Israel, but if indeed the bombings put and end to the hardline regime's nuclear armament capabilities, then hopefully that's the end of the matter, as Trump's stated many times.

Short of Obama handing the Iranian regime $billions years ago and seemingly letting them get on with enriching their nuclear programme, effectively enabling them, you can be certain that any other U.S president of years prior would have already laid waste to Iran and likely already engaged in land warfare, so that'd be either of the Bushes, Clinton, Obama, or Biden. and I think we all know it!

My parents had a brief stint in pre- Iranian Revolution under the Shah, and it was a great place to be, a world away from the Islamic, "Death to America" regime it became, essentially occupying a population under its rule. I always wondered how change could be effected there, perhaps this is it.

As for their leaders' retorts (those that are left) that they'll rain down misery on those that have wronged them ten-fold etc, that was always going to be the case. We were never going to hear "Shucks....ya got us!"

I have greater resentment towards Bibi, because let's be honest, he'd wipe Iran off the map in a heartbeat. If you want an impulsive, irrational warmonger, well, there's your man :laugh:
 
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I get it, 'Orange man bad'. And yet, last I checked he gave the regime ample time to attempt parlez, which were completely ignored or mocked into oblivion, so I guess we'll never know if those sites were highly problematic. Perhaps you had greater intel than the Americans and Israeli Intelligence services?

It wasn't an ideal situation by any means, but when allied to Israel and trying to de-escalate decades' worth of enmity between these two nations, it was never going to end in a tickling contest. Perhaps you could enlighten us how you would have handled this situation better, other than leaving the possibility of the Middle East becoming embroiled in all-out war all by itself?

I take issue obviously with key infrastructure being destroyed systematically by the likes of Israel, but if indeed the bombings put and end to the hardline regime's nuclear armament capabilities, then hopefully that's the end of the matter, as Trump's stated many times.

Short of Obama handing the Iranian regime $billions years ago and seemingly letting them get on with enriching their nuclear programme, effectively enabling them, you can be certain that any other U.S president of years prior would have already laid waste to Iran and likely already engaged in land warfare, so that'd be either of the Bushes, Clinton, Obama, or Biden. and I think we all know it!

My parents had a brief stint in pre- Iranian Revolution under the Shah, and it was a great place to be, a world away from the Islamic, "Death to America" regime it became, essentially occupying a population under its rule. I always wondered how change could be effected there, perhaps this is it.

As for their leaders' retorts (those that are left) that they'll rain down misery on those that have wronged them ten-fold etc, that was always going to be the case. We were never going to hear "Shucks....ya got us!"

I have greater resentment towards Bibi, because let's be honest, he's wipe Iran off the map in a heartbeat. If you want an impulsive, irrational warmonger, well, there's your man :laugh:
Are those the same intelligence agencies that told us about WMDs in Iraq? And was I said in a previous comment maybe Iran swallows their pride and says enough is enough . Btw they had a nuclear deal that trump backed out of 2018 . I'm no lover of radical Muslims or a lefty , but it'll be us in Europe that'll be left to carry the can if Iran gets flatten and millions of them start flooding here like we've seen with people from Syrian, Libya etc etc
 
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I get the general impression Iranians like their science stuff and engineering, obviously technology can be put to creating weapons etc...

But I can't see them accepting that they can have no nuclear research or industry, while nextdoor in Pakistan they can, so how that issue is resolved I don't know.

If the clerics and mullahs were displaced, would the west then accept that Iran could fully explore its scientific potential including nuclear areas?
 
If Trump can restrict things to this then he'll have successfully walked a tightrope, because neocons like lindsey Graham will be itching to have this extended into all out war with US boots eventually on the
I wonder why 🤔
 

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I don't, but can you trust them after seeing how much they lied to get into war with Iraq
I've seen enough of America's foreign policy to last me a lifetime, and it's not individual-based but near-enough a blueprint. Couple that with their supporting Israel's every action, it's little wonder why the Middle East's a powder keg.

As for the displacement of peoples, well, look around you, a few more (supposed) Iranians getting into Europe and America based on this event isn't going to be noticed by anybody. Granted, the West's meddling in these regions has caused chaos, but the sole reason for the swathes of unvetted arrivals isn't done out of duty, guilt or penance, it's caused by our leaders' openly allowing them in. As started by none other than good ol' Angela 'Mutti' Merkel!
 
I've seen enough of America's foreign policy to last me a lifetime, and it's not individual-based but near-enough a blueprint. Couple that with their supporting Israel's every action, it's little wonder why the Middle East's a powder keg.

As for the displacement of peoples, well, look around you, a few more (supposed) Iranians getting into Europe and America based on this event isn't going to be noticed by anybody. Granted, the West's meddling in these regions has caused chaos, but the sole reason for the swathes of unvetted arrivals isn't done out of duty, guilt or penance, it's caused by our leaders' openly allowing them in. As started by none other than good ol' Angela 'Mutti' Merkel!
I agree with a lot of what you said in the other post but I couldn't be arsed to quote it 😂😂 Angela got the ball rolling alright . I just sick of all the meddling and cunts getting rich off war . We're only out of a recession the last few years and I'd hard enough time trying to stay afloat and keep my house but I got there in the end . Now we've a housing crisis, cost of living crisis, mass migration, huge waiting list for hospitals and the last thing i want to see is another war that has the potential to fuck things up again
 
I get it, 'Orange man bad'. And yet, last I checked he gave the regime ample time to attempt parlez, which were completely ignored or mocked into oblivion, so I guess we'll never know if those sites were highly problematic. Perhaps you had greater intel than the Americans and Israeli Intelligence services?

It wasn't an ideal situation by any means, but when allied to Israel and trying to de-escalate decades' worth of enmity between these two nations, it was never going to end in a tickling contest. Perhaps you could enlighten us how you would have handled this situation better, other than leaving the possibility of the Middle East becoming embroiled in all-out war all by itself?

I take issue obviously with key infrastructure being destroyed systematically by the likes of Israel, but if indeed the bombings put and end to the hardline regime's nuclear armament capabilities, then hopefully that's the end of the matter, as Trump's stated many times.

Short of Obama handing the Iranian regime $billions years ago and seemingly letting them get on with enriching their nuclear programme, effectively enabling them, you can be certain that any other U.S president of years prior would have already laid waste to Iran and likely already engaged in land warfare, so that'd be either of the Bushes, Clinton, Obama, or Biden. and I think we all know it!

My parents had a brief stint in pre- Iranian Revolution under the Shah, and it was a great place to be, a world away from the Islamic, "Death to America" regime it became, essentially occupying a population under its rule. I always wondered how change could be effected there, perhaps this is it.

As for their leaders' retorts (those that are left) that they'll rain down misery on those that have wronged them ten-fold etc, that was always going to be the case. We were never going to hear "Shucks....ya got us!"

I have greater resentment towards Bibi, because let's be honest, he'd wipe Iran off the map in a heartbeat. If you want an impulsive, irrational warmonger, well, there's your man :laugh:
So I presume that you would prefer that life in Iran could go back to what it was in about 1970?
I have seen videos of life in Iraq from that time and It appeared like an advancing society where folk could do pretty much what they wanted too while dressing at will.
But who where responsible for the change and why?
 
So I presume that you would prefer that life in Iran could go back to what it was in about 1970?
I have seen videos of life in Iraq from that time and It appeared like an advancing society where folk could do pretty much what they wanted too while dressing at will.
But who where responsible for the change and why?
I'd like to think the U.S didn't have direct involvement in the Shah's toppling but who can really be sure. By all accounts he made the country oil-enriched, prosperous and modernized, even if very few saw it! Yet those that did certainly enjoyed the boons of Western-lite liberation, and women could wear whatever they wanted (within the bounds of respectability), such as head scarves etc

Apart from being lazy and allowing Islam to conquer it, Iran's clerics started piping up and saying the Shah was a Western puppet, and societal norms becoming too Westernized. Did the U.S enable Khomeini to seize power off the back of this, or was it Islam just Islam-ing it up? Either way, I can assure you life back then was relatively great by and large, though economic disparity was rife up to a point, given the Shah's boom/bust oil economics.

Even if deposed now, Iran's gonna take years of reform, but perhaps it's a blessing in disguise :cool:
 
I'd like to think the U.S didn't have direct involvement in the Shah's toppling but who can really be sure. By all accounts he made the country oil-enriched, prosperous and modernized, even if very few saw it! Yet those that did certainly enjoyed the boons of Western-lite liberation, and women could wear whatever they wanted (within the bounds of respectability), such as head scarves etc

Apart from being lazy and allowing Islam to conquer it, Iran's clerics started piping up and saying the Shah was a Western puppet, and societal norms becoming too Westernized. Did the U.S enable Khomeini to seize power off the back of this, or was it Islam just Islam-ing it up? Either way, I can assure you life back then was relatively great by and large, though economic disparity was rife up to a point, given the Shah's boom/bust oil economics.

Even if deposed now, Iran's gonna take years of reform, but perhaps it's a blessing in disguise :cool:
Iran are far from busted and they have support from very powerful countries. This will expand I think.
Iranian folk deserve westenisation but this is so much more about control.
Russia. China. Brics. They do not make these pacts for nothing
 
Oh dear. Looks like Iran's really gone and done it now! Guess we can soon add 'Desert Storm 3' into the mix of world conflicts! :eek:

Seems like both Qatar and the USA knew the rockets were coming. Exact time and place. Iran even negotiated with Qatar about it... The amount of bombs were exactly the same as the amount the USA dropped on the nuclear installations Saturday.

Anyway, good news:

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