Is it or is it not illegal???

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Reading the forum the last few days, I am still confused :what:


Is it illegal or not to gamble online in United States?


I read some people say "I am in a state that's legal"


I fall into a "legal" state, Massachusetts, but is it really legal?


Am I repeating myself, I am just soooooooo confused!!!


HELP
 
It is legal in all but the 13 states which specifically have passed laws stating that it is illegal to gamble online. The catch is that it is illegal for banks and third party processors to fund online gambling period.

That is why it is so difficult for americans to deposit and even more difficult to get paid.

Hope I answered your questions.

Liz
 
here is link to the UIGEA law as passed by the US Congress and signed into law by George Bush on Oct 13, 2006.

Read it yourself, then decide if online gambling is legal or illegal inside the USA.

www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h109-4411


This is not a black and white issue.

The following is my opinion only, I am not a lawyer and this is not advice.

Gambling online in some cases is legal in other cases it is not legal, when you are talking about "online Gambling" you are not just talking about non-US online casinos, you are talking about Lotteries, BINGO and Horse Racing as well. Lotteries, BINGO and Horse Racing all are legal to wager online inside the USA.

It is not specifically illegal to gamble online at an off shore online casino.

However, transferring money between an offshore casino and your pocket is illegal... So you can gamble online without breaking the law. But once you try to collect your winnings from an online casino.... that is where you start breaking the law....

It is specifically illegal to make or accept Sports Bets of any kind inside the USA.

Now that is about as clear as mud...
 
Reading the forum the last few days, I am still confused :what:


Is it illegal or not to gamble online in United States?


I read some people say "I am in a state that's legal"


I fall into a "legal" state, Massachusetts, but is it really legal?


Am I repeating myself, I am just soooooooo confused!!!


HELP
you are not alone. i think that its illegal in the u.s but im confused by the certain states,whats up with that and what does it mean ?:confused:
 
It is legal in all but the 13 states which specifically have passed laws stating that it is illegal to gamble online. The catch is that it is illegal for banks and third party processors to fund online gambling period.

That is why it is so difficult for americans to deposit and even more difficult to get paid.

Hope I answered your questions.

Liz

Yes you did.

So if it's legal to gamble in my state, then why is it illegal for banks and third party processors?
 
However, transferring money between an offshore casino and your pocket is illegal... So you can gamble online without breaking the law. But once you try to collect your winnings from an online casino.... that is where you start breaking the law....


This is what doesn't make sense to me....they can take your money, but not pay you.


Lots0...I did read that law Bush passed, but I don't understand it. :o
 
just play - your looking at it from the wrong way.

It is not legal to gamble online in your state... It is just not specifically illegal to gamble online in your state (yet).

Just because there is not a law that specifically outlaws online gambling in your state, does not make it legal in your state.

I know that is cutting a very fine line, but that is the way the courts, lawyers and the DoJ will do it....



they can take your money, but not pay you.
It is illegal for them to take your money as well, it is a transfer of funds between a bank and a online casino, the US law makes no difference between cashing out or depositing.

It is just that the online casinos that are currently taking US players are not all that worried about the American laws or the US DoJ.

I did read that law Bush passed, but I don't understand it.
Don't feel alone, even the lawyers don't understand it.
...and that means the Doj can do whatever it wants by saying it is enforcing the "law" that no one can decipher.
 
remember elections will be comming up soon.there is still time to contact your state officials and let them know how you feel about this issue. i did and will cont. to do so. if we dont let our voices be heard then what can we gain out of this.pina has a link somewhere in the forum for the contact info for each state rep.
 
Yes you did.

So if it's legal to gamble in my state, then why is it illegal for banks and third party processors?


Because the law governing the Banks and 3rd party processors falls under Federal law. The individual State may say it is legal, but in all cases Federal Law Trumps State or Local law.

The Medicinal Marijuana law in California is probably the easiest and most well know example of this. You can legally grow, distribute and use Medicinal Marijuana in certain jurisdictions inside California with impunity, I.E. LEGALLY as far as local law enforcement is concerned. The DEA or FBI can and will however, charge and arrest you on FEDERAL charges, for doing it.

Transpose this to your states stance on internet gaming. It is legal for you to place a wager using your computer and internet connection, but it is not legal for your local bank to knowingly process a debit for that legal bet.

Hope that helps some :o
 
I Nelson Rose gives an analysis
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It's dated, but I don't thnk any changes were made to the bill before it became law.
This does not completely solve the problem of Internet poker, or even Internet casinos. The Act does not expand the reach of the Wire Act, the main federal statute the DOJ uses against Internet gambling. Although the DOJ has taken the position that the Wire Act covers all forms of gambling, courts have ruled that it is limited to bets on sports events and races. State anti-gambling statutes have similar weaknesses, including the presumption that they do not apply if part of the activity takes place overseas. This new statute requires that the Internet gambling be "unlawful." But it would often be difficult to find a federal, state or tribal law that clearly made a specific Internet bet illegal.


State or Federal 'trump'?
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My 2 cents:
  1. States have the right to conduct business (casino or otherwise) inside their own borders. Interstate or foreign commerce is where the feds come in.
  2. Internet is not telephone, the wire actr does not affect 'regular' gambling. All sports betting (interstate and foreign) is illegal.
 
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Allow me to jump in and further muddy the gambling waters with this:

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From the FBI.gov website:

ONLINE GAMBLING
Dont Roll the Dice
06/06//07

If youve ever thought about visiting a cyber casino, heres something you should know: its illegal to gamble online in the United States.

You can go to Vegas. You can go to Atlantic City. You can go to a racetrack. You can go to those places and gamble legally. But dont do it online. Its against the law, says Leslie Bryant, head of our Cyber Crime Fraud unit at FBI Headquarters.

That means:

No placing cyber bets on sporting events or in virtual card games;

No transferring money electronically for gambling; and

No wagers in offshore Internet casinos even if you live in the U.S.
 
That post on the front page of the FBI website makes me laugh...

Did anyone see J. Todds (APCW) video about this?

He called the FBI and asked them exactly what law they were enforcing by making those statements on the front page of their website...

The FBI was UNABLE to answer that question, said they would call him back with the answer... If I remember correctly the FBI never called him back. J. Todd had to call them back a week later and the FBI never could come up with a law that backs up anything they say on the front page of their website.

So, it seems fairly clear to me that th FBI and DoJ are now just making up "laws" to enforce their "OPINIONS" of what they think the law SHOULD be...
 
I made some points in my GIGSE 2007 newsletter about this. Intra-state betting is not affected, and we'll probably be seeing legalized online poker in the South West in the next couple of years - to include California.
https://www.casinomeister.com/static/newsletter/2007/15june2007GISGE_special_ed.html

From Nelson I. Rose (leading gaming attorney and Professor of Law at Whittier) "Now it seems clear under federal law that Internet gambling is legal, so long as it is legal under state law and kept 100% in-state."

The UIGEA does allow "intrastate" betting. The biggest problem will be working out the details on how this will come about.

Let's not forget that you can participate in parimutuel betting legally online. And there are skill games that are 100% legal (in most states) as well.
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Are we breaking the Law ??

The DoJ would like you to think so, they always have and always considered Internet gambling illegal. This is because they're old boys from the good ole days of mobs running gambling through the phone and like a bunch of grandpa's they don't care what an 'Internet' is; or anything about the new commerce or its technology. Ask them and they'll say your breaking the law. Ask them to bust you then, and you won't hear squat from them again. They have absolutely nothing on the books to bust you with for online Casino gambling. The Wire act will permit them to act on interstate Sports betting only.

Is it illegal for you to make a wager (as a player) or receive money from same Casino through the Internet?? NO!! its NOT In some States it is, but no action has ever been taken against an individual that I know of; excepting a large operation in one State I read about.

Is it Illegal for a Casino to receive that wager or a third party to facilitate that wager ?? YES!!.

As it stands, reading Nelson Rose interpretation of the law, the current confusion Ly's in the part He says is undecipherable. I have spoken with Mr. Rose about this problem in depth and we came to a possible agreement. Currently Financial transaction processors in the U.S. are 'Regulated' by the Federal reserve board and enforced by Federal Agents of this entity. According to UIGEA the Attorney General cannot construe any part of the Act as cause to take action against "Any Regulated Persons". The Attorney General can act against only unregulated financial transaction providers such as NETeller/ Click2Pay/ Ecocard , only if they can reach them. Since the DoJ has a long arm, we have seen the results with all three now. But! as far as the U.S. Regulated payment processors are concerned ... they are off limits (under limitations in UIGEA) to any action by the Attorney General. So yes, our Banks and Processors are giving us the shaft, and its all purely voluntary at this point. Until the 'Designated Payment System' is implemented and put in place. This is supposed to happen very soon, but may be delayed. Only then does it become a Federal regulation that our Banks as payment processors must follow under enforcement. Up till now they've just nodded their heads to everything the DoJ has asked for, simply out of the fear of the almighty god ... oops correction! --> almighty DoJ.

The only ones actually breaking the law, are the out of country Financial transaction providers and Casinos taking wagers from U.S. players (Not the U.S. Players themselves) ........... And many of them do not feel the law applies to them; nor do they fear the DoJ has any reach that stretches their distance. But they are becoming few, and farther between.
 
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I knew I remembered seeing this a few years back, but hadn't been able to Google it up... :rolleyes: I finally put in the proper words in the proper order and viola! Google spit it up for me.

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By I. Nelson Rose
14 October 2004


Jeffrey Trauman has made history. As best I can tell, he is the first, and only, person who has actually been charged and convicted of online gambling.

From the email Jeff sent me, I know that all he wanted was to be left alone.

(For the record: A gambler in another state wrote me that she was raided the same day, her computers and equipment seized and not returned, and her bank account frozen for months, but she has not been charged with a crime. And a former Florida State quarterback actually went to trial, with a hung jury and plea bargain, for making sports bets; some apparently with online books. The gambling charges were secondary to a felony stolen check charge. Of course, there is a big difference between a star quarterback betting on sports events and a cars salesman.)

According to Jeff, he was charged with "placing a wager over $500," a misdemeanor in North Dakota. Rather than fight it, he pleaded guilty, was fined $500 and given a one-year deferred sentence, and split to Kentucky.

Jeff was the top local Saturn salesman for six years. But he found he could make more money making sports bets on his home computer than he could ever hope to make selling cars. Assistant Cass County State's Attorney Bud Myers is reported as saying that Jeff "went a little beyond" the $500 minimum. The police searched Jeff's house in April 2003 and discovered $43,000 in cash in one desk drawer. He had another $300,000 in overseas accounts.

Jeff thinks his problems started because he was too honest. Since sports betting was his major source of income, he put "professional gambler" as his occupation on his federal tax return.

The State Gaming Division acknowledged that a tip from an outside source started their investigation. Jeff says he thinks it was the IRS. This is unlikely, because the IRS is bound by the "silver platter" doctrine, which prevents the IRS from turning over a gambler and his required tax returns on a silver platter to local law enforcement.

In 1952 Congress created a special tax, which acted like a trap for illegal gambling operators. Bookies who did not pay the tax were charged with tax evasion. Bookies who did were charged with violating federal anti-gambling laws. The U.S. Supreme Court knocked that out as a violation of the Fifth Amendment's protection against self-incrimination. So the Feds starting turning illegal operators, and their tax returns, over to state law enforcement agencies as if they were on a silver platter. In 1968 the U.S. Supreme Court said this maneuver also was unconstitutional.

I think it is much more likely it was someone at his bank. In fact, under the Bank Secrecy Act, financial institutions must report large, suspicious cash transactions.

My guess is that the state thought he was a bookie. After arranging a raid, gaming agents would have been embarrassed if they could not charge him with something. So, they dug up illegal betting.

If he had wanted to spend the time and money, Jeff had a number of possible defenses.

The first is the crime itself. North Dakota does not have a specific law against Internet betting. In fact, the statute dates back to 1913, and may not even apply.

Jeff was charged with violating North Dakota Century Code 12.1-28-02, which makes it a misdemeanor to "Engage in gambling on private premises where the total amount wagered by an individual player exceeds $500 per individual .......
 

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