inetbet not flushing withdrawls

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yeah im over it. i just wish i had gotten a reply at least. that would have made my day.

It will come in the morning.

 

[EdieD]

One of the main reasons the OP may have deposited to this casino was the belief that they flushed withdrawls. Most players know if they need this to resist temptation or if they have the discipline to wait.

The fact that inetbet used to practice this very good and ethical policy and now do not should tell you how bad business has been for them. Don't play there anymore or any place that doesn't flush withdrawls if you require this. It's not worth the terrible feeling you'll have if you lose all your winnings. Especially if was significant.

 

[The Dude]

One of the main reasons the OP may have deposited to this casino was the belief that they flushed withdrawls. Most players know if they need this to resist temptation or if they have the discipline to wait.

The fact that inetbet used to practice this very good and ethical policy and now do not should tell you how bad business has been for them. Don't play there anymore or any place that doesn't flush withdrawls if you require this. It's not worth the terrible feeling you'll have if you lose all your winnings. Especially if was significant.

That's total speculation and you are implying that iNetBet is up to some dodgy tactics - which is BS.

The OP has been a member for several years, and should have been aware of the iNetBet accred review here:
https://www.casinomeister.us/

It's the highest rated CM US facing casino - and it clearly states that they do not flush. That review has been up since March of last year.

People should not blame others for their own mistakes or transgressions. Be the master of your own domain.

 

[joepits]

it was my own fault im over it....

 

[ChillBill]

OP might need help but no answer to emails is an all to common complaint.

Agreed the OP should have waited and not be tempted to play it back. Though that's the nature of this business; casinos survive on players lack of self control. I do however feel the OP highlights a more serious issue. That is, an accredited casino who seems challenged with the accreditation rule, "Must be able to take care of any player issue swiftly and professionally."

It's easy to focus on distractions and use these to rag on the OP or anyone else for that matter. It would however be a pleasant change to see the email issue(s) at inetbet being address.

 

[mrmark21]

Agreed the OP should have waited and not be tempted to play it back. Though that's the nature of this business; casinos survive on players lack of self control. I do however feel the OP highlights a more serious issue. That is, an accredited casino who seems challenged with the accreditation rule, "Must be able to take care of any player issue swiftly and professionally."

It's easy to focus on distractions and use these to rag on the OP or anyone else for that matter. It would however be a pleasant change to see the real issue being address here.

I agree. IMO the Op was at fault in this situation. The Op cancelled the request within minutes. Not Inetbet's fault. The Op should practice a little more self control and responsibility.

However with most of these threads regarding Inetbet I've noticed a bit of a trend where CS just isnt responding in a timely manner. I'd like to see Inetbet become a bit more proactive about resolving their shortcomings in the best interests of their customers/players.

 

[rena35]

I cant say that Inetbet doesnt have its share of complaints but i do know from experience that the rep thats on board here will work hard to resolve issues that arise. Agreed also that the OP should have tried to contact support.

 

[Nifty29]

Agreed the OP should have waited and not be tempted to play it back. Though that's the nature of this business; casinos survive on players lack of self control. I do however feel the OP highlights a more serious issue. That is, an accredited casino who seems challenged with the accreditation rule, "Must be able to take care of any player issue swiftly and professionally."

It's easy to focus on distractions and use these to rag on the OP or anyone else for that matter. It would however be a pleasant change to see the email issue(s) at inetbet being address.

The OP emailed the casino asking for the withdrawal to be flushed. One minute and 10 seconds later, they reversed it themselves, as CS were going to lock the account for them. In other words, the OP decided he did NOT want the flushing after all.

Which part if this constitutes "not taking care of any player issue swiftly and professionally"? Is inetbet supposed to lock their account in the middle of play, and tell them "sorry, but you asked for flushing, which we cannot do, so instead we are locking your account as requested"? I could see that going down like a lead balloon.

The OP KNOWS what they did....they reversed their withdrawals BEFORE CS could do anything, hence negating the request altogether. As I said earlier, do we really expect CS to constantly monitor player accounts and decide when they think they have lost enough? It's ridiculous.

The OP was pissed that they lost it all back, and came here to slag off an accredited casino and try to put the blame on them, which is both childish and inappropriate. The casino has done NOTHING wrong in this instance. Emily clearly showed the email was received, and that there was no time to actually act upon the request. I suppose you'll retort with "well they should have predicted that the OP was going to email them and lock the account, since they also knew what the OP was going to ask".

The flippant attitude from the OP and lack of remorse just proves what the aim of the thread really was i.e. to point the finger at someone else for their own bad decisions.

 

[Igor82]

To a degree, the casino does profit from having reversal periods. However, it isn't just about that.

Some players will increase their withdrawals. Most will lose, as with a deposit, but not all. Also, it cuts down on processing costs, as there are plenty of players who like to continue pressing their luck....reversing costs the house nothing, but if the player were to withdraw and then make several new deposits it creates more cost.

The most important thing in regards to RTG....unless something has very recently changed...is that it's not possible to actually flush withdrawals. The backend works differently to other software in that the funds have to remain reversible until the moment they're processed. Hence, it is unfair to chow down on inetbet for not doing what they can't do anyway. Add to that the fact they process in 24 hours maximum, but often much faster, and it becomes obvious that it is NOT about enticing players to reverse at all. Many RTGs have 48hrs or more pending periods, including jackpot capital and CWC for starters.

When it comes to RTG cashouts, inetbet are one of the fastest. If one can't wait a few hours to be paid then one hasmore problems than reversal periods IMO.

One of the more clever replies i've read on pending times and reversals. Not all casinos opt in for pending times but it's nice to see players that are aware of what freqent deps/wd's do to the bottom line - simply increase player cost to the casino. As such casinos cant reward as much as they would as larger portion of their profit is "wasted" to their suppliers.

There is a reality to the fact that more a player cycles the cash in/out, an environment is created where players losses aren't retained by the casino and as such a player will see themselves as 100 down while the casino will see them as 20 earned. That misconception ends up becoming a reason for feeling like players losses and loyalty isn't catered for sufficiently enough in proportion to players worth.

Having a good handle on your usual activity is a good way to win favor with the casino (like leaving it in pending knowing you might want to re-deposit tomorrow eve) or asking for partial revarsal+flush at a point of your next deposit, rather than enforcing a flush and then depositing afresh shortly after.

mini disclaimer: I'm not looking to start a debate on fund trapping and how some casinos use it to ensure you reverse and never walk away with your winnings etc... there is abuse in every business, every industry from both sides and communities like these are quick to point the rogues out - just stating it like it is

 

[joepits]

can you guys lay off, i admitted it was my mistake and you're still going on. jeez.

 

[Igor82]

Sorry

Hey, i really didn't mean my reply to be directed at you. I read Nifty's comment and thought, ah cool - it's actually something players are aware of. I have no judgement on your reversal or flushing choices, honestly! Sorry if it came across that way.

 

[dionysus]

can you guys lay off, i admitted it was my mistake and you're still going on. jeez.

bear in mind, not all posts are meant to remind you or are directed at you specifically, but anyone else, new or old, who happens to pop in and read the thread

 

[maphesto]

@op:

Even if you started the thread, other members of this forum are allowed to discuss things "connected" to your issue from start.

Pending periods are one of the worst trap in this whole industry! I hate it! Discusting! I am not talking about iNetBet here, their payments are always quick!

Those discusting casinos who have 48h pending periods have to be avoid by all players who have other choices. Just avoid them, it's not hard. Like 32RED, a great casino group, avoid them on weekends...I am serious...that's the only way to make them understand. I understand US players (and others) who have less options, we who can choose have to vote by our feet.

 

[ChillBill]

The flippant attitude from the OP and lack of remorse

The OP didn't kill anyone or commit a crime Sheesh dude you're coming across like the morality police. The OP got a bit emotional, so what. Not like it's the 1'st time that's happen here. Unless your covering his loses, how does this affect you, to such a degree, you feel the need to judge and belittle him?

 

[Nifty29]

The OP didn't kill anyone or commit a crime Sheesh dude you're coming across like the morality police. The OP got a bit emotional, so what. Not like it's the 1'st time that's happen here. Unless your covering his loses, how does this affect you, to such a degree, you feel the need to judge and belittle him?

I'm entitled to my opinion, and you're entitled to yours.

The difference is that I care about mine.

Notice to all members - unless you're covering someone's losses, you aren't entitled to an opinion about anything they say or do.

 

[rena35]

I never understood why people will post something and want you to sugar coat what you reply. It makes me not want to reply at all. That might be why i have been here a while but i don't post a lot. I hate to have my opinion given for me.

 

[The Dude]

Just to follow up on this. We've been informed by the casino that the OP had a decent win with these guys last month ($1,950) which he withdrew. Then a couple of weeks ago he commenced to charge back all of his deposits going back to the end of 2013 and before.

What a douchebag.

 

[chayton]

Just to follow up on this. We've been informed by the casino that the OP had a decent win with these guys last month ($1,950) which he withdrew. Then a couple of weeks ago he commenced to charge back all of his deposits going back to the end of 2013 and before.

What a douchebag.

wow. Can they charge him with fraud?

 

[Refilliates Casinos]

Hi Bryan,

Would it be possible to have his details posted publicly so operators can prevent him from doing the same at other brands? Alternatively PM'd to all Gaming Reps here?

We have tried getting operators at AGD to share details of fraudulent customers, but so far we are the only ones prepared to share. Would it be possible for Casinomeister (or us) to set up a ChargeBack Thread here, accessible by Reps only, where we can post details of these guys?

The affect of cb's on US facing casinos is severe. To put it in perspective: Processing costs for US volume averages 12% per deposit. A Chargeback costs the operator between $40 and $100 per transaction. If there are too many CB transactions, then there is a fine of $100,000+ applied to the merchant account. The merchant account is usually closed and the operators have to start all over with a new processor. If an operator uses 1 processor only, this usually means a delay of payments to genuine players as cashflow has been cut off overnight.

If all operators work together, we could prevent these guys from signing up and depositing. Any suggestions welcome

Thank you,
Dieter

 

[maphesto]

Would it be possible to have his details posted publicly so operators can prevent him from doing the same at other brands?

That, and this would be the proper way to handle things:

 

[bigjohn]

Hi Bryan,

Would it be possible to have his details posted publicly so operators can prevent him from doing the same at other brands? Alternatively PM'd to all Gaming Reps here?

We have tried getting operators at AGD to share details of fraudulent customers, but so far we are the only ones prepared to share. Would it be possible for Casinomeister (or us) to set up a ChargeBack Thread here, accessible by Reps only, where we can post details of these guys?

The affect of cb's on US facing casinos is severe. To put it in perspective: Processing costs for US volume averages 12% per deposit. A Chargeback costs the operator between $40 and $100 per transaction. If there are too many CB transactions, then there is a fine of $100,000+ applied to the merchant account. The merchant account is usually closed and the operators have to start all over with a new processor. If an operator uses 1 processor only, this usually means a delay of payments to genuine players as cashflow has been cut off overnight.

If all operators work together, we could prevent these guys from signing up and depositing. Any suggestions welcome

Thank you,
Dieter

How about a thread posting in public the personal details of casino operators that players have identified as acting in a fraudulent manner?

That's kinda what you asking here, a casino identifies a bad player, using casino provided evidence the player is booted from here but there has been no legal conviction. The player has not had the benefit of counsel. Sounds to me like your idea would produce a flood of libel and slander suits coming at CM. Unlike many casinos that hide all their details to protect themselves from legal proceedings the CM website would be wide open to lawsuits and in it's 15 year history has never closed and re-opened under another name.

Here's a suggestion, do your own dirty work. You said, "if all operators stick together..." Is the CM site an operator?

BTW, how did you do with player "Platoo" who claims to have played at Tropica with no bonus and had his winnings confiscated by you for no apparent reason?

 

[maphesto]

How about a thread posting in public the personal details of casino operators that players have identified as acting in a fraudulent manner?

To post personal details isn't the same thing as sharing info about fraudulent players. These aren't AP:s or bonus whores, these are pure bastards!

I asked in another thread the other day if "unjustified chargebacks" looks the same as "justified". The same goes here, I'm totally fine with the fact that iNetBet can share this players info with other casinos.

Also, we have the rogue list. It's there for a reason.

 

[Refilliates Casinos]

How about a thread posting in public the personal details of casino operators that players have identified as acting in a fraudulent manner?

That's kinda what you asking here, a casino identifies a bad player, using casino provided evidence the player is booted from here but there has been no legal conviction. The player has not had the benefit of counsel. Sounds to me like your idea would produce a flood of libel and slander suits coming at CM. Unlike many casinos that hide all their details to protect themselves from legal proceedings the CM website would be wide open to lawsuits and in it's 15 year history has never closed and re-opened under another name.

Here's a suggestion, do your own dirty work. You said, "if all operators stick together..." Is the CM site an operator?

Hi bigjohn,

I am one of the owners of Tropica and Cash o' Lot and have signed my name publicly here, as have other Reps (Igor, Ben etc). "We" have no problem been publicly named and shamed if we have done something wrong. To a point, that is what the Rogue Pit and Blacklist is at all forums - a place to name and shame. For the record: In my post, I did suggest a private thread for operators only to access this data.

And no, CM is not an operator, but a meeting place for players, affiliates and operators. As one of the largest in the industry, it makes it a viable option for the compilation of a blacklist of players who are costing operators and affiliates a fortune (Player fraud costs are usually shared with the affiliate or passed on wholly to the affiliate).

My question was posed to Bryan and should he agree with you, then nothing has changed and we all continue as per normal. My sincerest apologies if my suggestion/s to combat fraud has caused you any frustration. It was not the intention. Simply trying to improve the industry for the better.

All the best,
Dieter

As for the player named "platoo" - I have not heard of this issue, but will gladly look into it. I have checked for customers with that name and/or login on our DB and no accounts are found. Please start a new thread or PM me the details and I will get on it right away. If we made a mistake, then I will fix it.

 

[bigjohn]

To post personal details isn't the same thing as sharing info about fraudulent players. These aren't AP:s or bonus whores, these are pure bastards!

I asked in another thread the other day if "unjustified chargebacks" looks the same as "justified". The same goes here, I'm totally fine with the fact that iNetBet can share this players info with other casinos.

Also, we have the rogue list. It's there for a reason.

I'll reiterate, these 'bastards' have not had benefit of counsel. In these days of identity theft and shifty processors who knows what could have happened. There is a forum rule about not accusing a casino of a crime unless it has been proven in a court of law, do players not deserve the same protection? While the evidence gathered by CM is enough to boot the player from here or a casino it certainly is not a legal conviction. Let the casinos get the info from their processors or the credit card companies.

Also, the rogue list wont necessarily protect players from rogue operators who reopen their casinos under different names. If the names of the owners were published we might be able to cross reference some of these rogue operators. That is not likely to happen and, IMO, neither should Tropicas suggestion.

Hi bigjohn,

I am one of the owners of Tropica and Cash o' Lot and have signed my name publicly here, as have other Reps (Igor, Ben etc). "We" have no problem been publicly named and shamed if we have done something wrong. To a point, that is what the Rogue Pit and Blacklist is at all forums - a place to name and shame. For the record: In my post, I did suggest a private thread for operators only to access this data.

And no, CM is not an operator, but a meeting place for players, affiliates and operators. As one of the largest in the industry, it makes it a viable option for the compilation of a blacklist of players who are costing operators and affiliates a fortune (Player fraud costs are usually shared with the affiliate or passed on wholly to the affiliate).

My question was posed to Bryan and should he agree with you, then nothing has changed and we all continue as per normal. My sincerest apologies if my suggestion/s to combat fraud has caused you any frustration. It was not the intention. Simply trying to improve the industry for the better.

All the best,
Dieter

As for the player named "platoo" - I have not heard of this issue, but will gladly look into it. I have checked for customers with that name and/or login on our DB and no accounts are found. Please start a new thread or PM me the details and I will get on it right away. If we made a mistake, then I will fix it.

No need for a PM or new thread, this one, https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/big-problems-of-tropica-casino-com.55998/, has been here since March 2013. I don't know if there is anything for you to fix, it is only one side of the story so far. Should that be enough to have your casino thrown into the pit?

 

[Dinahnana]

Just to follow up on this. We've been informed by the casino that the OP had a decent win with these guys last month ($1,950) which he withdrew. Then a couple of weeks ago he commenced to charge back all of his deposits going back to the end of 2013 and before.

What a douchebag.

I am without words Players like this make it harder for the rest of us to enjoy our online gaming experience. I don't know how he managed the chargebacks legally since you have to report your card lost or stolen to get the deposits back. So he is not only defrauding the casino he is defrauding the bank. I hope his chargebacks didn't go through. I agree he is a doucebag, cheat and a liar. I do hope he gets what is coming to him that is all I have to say.

 

[Dinahnana]

How about a thread posting in public the personal details of casino operators that players have identified as acting in a fraudulent manner?

That's kinda what you asking here, a casino identifies a bad player, using casino provided evidence the player is booted from here but there has been no legal conviction. The player has not had the benefit of counsel. Sounds to me like your idea would produce a flood of libel and slander suits coming at CM. Unlike many casinos that hide all their details to protect themselves from legal proceedings the CM website would be wide open to lawsuits and in it's 15 year history has never closed and re-opened under another name.

Here's a suggestion, do your own dirty work. You said, "if all operators stick together..." Is the CM site an operator?

BTW, how did you do with player "Platoo" who claims to have played at Tropica with no bonus and had his winnings confiscated by you for no apparent reason?

I am with Bigjohn on this one. I think posting personal details on a forum such as this is in very bad taste. By all means ban the player from the forum and state the reason why but posting personal details would undermine Casinomeister as a forum. We are all here for information, support and fun and I am sure many people would not want to be part of a forum that would post private information of any member for any reason. I don't see anything wrong with having the info PMed but not out in public please.

 

[bigjohn]

I am with Bigjohn on this one. I think posting personal details on a forum such as this is in very bad taste. By all means ban the player from the forum and state the reason why but posting personal details would undermine Casinomeister as a forum. We are all here for information, support and fun and I am sure many people would not want to be part of a forum that would post private information of any member for any reason. I don't see anything wrong with having the info PMed but not out in public please.

And maybe only for reps. of Accredited Casinos, ie; those that subscribe to standards of fair play laid out by this website.

 

[Refilliates Casinos]

No need for a PM or new thread, this one, https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/big-problems-of-tropica-casino-com.55998/, has been here since March 2013. I don't know if there is anything for you to fix, it is only one side of the story so far. Should that be enough to have your casino thrown into the pit?

Thank you for this bigjohn.

If the OP (or anyone who has it) would like to PM his login so I can investigate, I will gladly do so. I require the player's details to pull up his account history. I am not sure why the OP did not PAB here, however we will welcome and respect the PAB process should the OP prefer going that route.

I won't comment further on sharing fraudster details. It was a question for Bryan and should he choose to decline it, then that is perfectly acceptable.

As for the repeated calls for us to be thrown into the Rogue-Pit (in that thread), I feel I need to comment: We worked hard to have ourselves removed from the No-Can-Do list and have established ourselves with players, affiliates and Rival as one of the reliable, trustworthy operators. We pay quickly and we really strive to deliver a complete entertainment solution. If a customer complains, it means something went wrong, but that does not automatically mean we should be listed / rogued.

Thanks again for your posts. Hopefully, something positive will come from this thread.

Best,
Dieter

 

[SkBurner]

Data protection laws should always be adhered to no matter the offence. Only the authorities should have access to information like that being asked to be disclosed. Casino's take the risk of allowing player's like this to register at their casino's and that is their individual risk. They may not like it but sharing personal data in an open forum is asking for serious trouble and is not the correct way to go about things. I think the owner of Tropica needs to read up on some basic law and values of operating a business. It's a good job they aren't registered in the UK.

 

[bigjohn]

Thank you for this bigjohn.

If the OP (or anyone who has it) would like to PM his login so I can investigate, I will gladly do so. I require the player's details to pull up his account history. I am not sure why the OP did not PAB here, however we will welcome and respect the PAB process should the OP prefer going that route.

I won't comment further on sharing fraudster details. It was a question for Bryan and should he choose to decline it, then that is perfectly acceptable.

As for the repeated calls for us to be thrown into the Rogue-Pit (in that thread), I feel I need to comment: We worked hard to have ourselves removed from the No-Can-Do list and have established ourselves with players, affiliates and Rival as one of the reliable, trustworthy operators. We pay quickly and we really strive to deliver a complete entertainment solution. If a customer complains, it means something went wrong, but that does not automatically mean we should be listed / rogued.

Thanks again for your posts. Hopefully, something positive will come from this thread.

Best,
Dieter

I agree, you should not be thrown into the pit on the merit of a player complaint where the casino has not had a chance to defend itself.

I gotta say, the comparison to Igor and Ben hurt a little too. You may well attain that status someday but the merest mention of their establishments here prompts a quick response from them and I would wager the majority of the membership here would have no problem with CM sharing info with them should the Admins. here see fit to do that. There is no way a thread concerning their casinos would sit here for a year with no response.

These are all just my opinions and I will not pretend to have anything to do with CM policy.