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I don't understand why

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I lost a lot of money tonight at William Hill & Villento.... :rolleyes:

I have NEVER asked a casino for a free chip, until tonight. I emailed Villento asking if I could have a free chip as I have had the worst luck ever at their casino (Deposited $2000 - Withdrew $68) I never for one second thought they would say no. I thought it was just a question of how much....maybe $10 or $20. They replied saying unfortunately they will not be offering me a free chip.

I just don't understand why they would refuse. It's not about the money, it's the principle. The casino will always win, so why not just give the player a free chip to keep them happy and make them feel that their loyalty means something to them. The fact they refused makes me feel embarrassed and cheap for having asked in the first place, there is no way I would continue playing there now. For the sake of $10 or $20 they will now miss out on potentially $1000's more of my money.

I once replied to a thread with a concern I had about 32Red. I thought no more of it then a few days later I received a pm from Pat who addressed my concern and credited my account with 100..... I was totally shocked by his generosity concidering I have actrually made money at 32red. I also once received a 15 bonus from Enzo and I had never even made a deposit at 3Dice.

I think casinos could learn a lot from managers such a Enzo and Pat who understand that it's VERY important, if not the most important thing, to keep the customer happy. If that means giving a free chip when the player has suffered a bad beat, then so be it. A free chip is not that big a deal really and it will be very much appreciated by the player who will most likely continue to play there.
 
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I think casinos could learn a lot from managers such a Enzo and Pat who understand that it's VERY important, if not the most important thing, to keep the customer happy.

True... very true. From what i know, it is a lot of work and takes a lot of personal time and effort to stand out from all the other casinos. I think maybe it's a sacrifce not many managers are willing to take for their customers. Obviously, the ones that do really do stand out and shine.
 
I sure do understand where you are coming from and especially your feelings about feeling embarrassed :o and cheap. I don't recall ever asking for a freebie until this past week but I changed jobs about two weeks ago and now I'm on a bi-weekly pay period so that means I've had to go an extra week without a paycheck....... so no funds for fun. Even though it embarrassed me, I went out on a limb and asked for one at a rival casino I've been playing at for the last couple of months. They flat out said no. Now I'm not a high roller but I've made deposits in this group of at least $400. 00 in two months time. I've never had a cash out. If they had thrown a ten spot at me, I would have been much appreciative and had been happy......but no. they said they had no bonus for me.
I didn't get irate with them, in fact I was nice and cordial but after the chat was done......I felt terrible that I had asked and I wished that I hadn't. The non gesture of good will does nothing for me if they want my loyalty in the future. I can only speak for myself because I know me......I am sure that when my next payday came around that I would not have forgotten the nice little gift and they most likely would have gotten it back several times over. Now I just have this sour taste in my mouth about them and I feel no loyalty to them at all.
I want to add one more thought about all this. I realize that they didn't owe me anything and throwing a freebie at me was not required but.......they could have looked at the history, they know I had not asked previously and they could see the deposit history....would should a small gift hurt that much?

I've often wondered why casino's don't treat the low rollers such as myself with a little more regard and caring instead of just as a number. It would be interesting to see if my suspicions are correct about who actually pays the bills at these casino's.......is it high rollers or people such as myself who deposit a few hundred every month?
 
I dont blame you for being upset. I really felt bad for BB28 Wednesday night when she told me what happened and how she felt, like you, cheap & embarrassed. They shouldnt make you feel that way. Theyve gotta get smarter. Thats why I never ask unless I absolutely have to. From what I hear though, there are alot of customers who abuse the "free chip" There are people who ask more than once a day for free chips and I can understand how they may get leary, but if they took the time to look at the history, they should do it on an individual basis. Who knows, maybe they have a free chip quota that they follow and once they give out a certain amount, they have to say no after that. I dont know, Im rambling out loud to see if I write something that makes sense lol
 
I have found that some casinos will dole out a $5.00-$10 chip here and there and that is appreciated. But when you deposit say, $3000 in a months time and you don't cash out how is it that they will give you nothing???
I agree with all of you. It's bizzare!
I deposited about $2500 in the Gaming Club last fall. I did not cash out. I then was unable to purchase because my bank must have figured out where I was purchasing. Since I was unable to play I called and asked them if they would give me a free chip. $10.00 anything just so I can play. It was also Christmas time and I thought they might bite. Nope. I have been playing there for about 6 years.
The funny thing is a few days ago I get an email from them. They haven't seen me in a while and they miss me so they gave me a $500.00 free chip with regular W/R! $500.00! Of course I didn't win but it's so odd to me that they refused to give me $10 but then they give me $500.00! Don't get me wrong, I appreciate it but it's just odd.
 
This is Vegas

Just to let you all know I received a PM from John at This is Vegas. He felt bad that The Gaming Club did not give me anything for Christmas. He asked if I had an account with This is Vegas and if so he would like to give me a free chip!
I do have an account with them and he deposited $25 in it! That was a very nice gesture!
Thanks John:thumbsup:
 
Sounds like This is Vegas...Get's it!!

After reading this thread I can now say, TIV will be getting my Rival business from now on. I have heard nothing but great things this past 6 weeks or so. I only hope they have a faster payout than the last Rival Casino I have played at.

Getting back on topic, I too once asked for a free chip and wasn't told no. They just didn't care to respond to my E-Mail. I think that was even worse than being told no, I wasn't even worth the effort to make contact. I was only depositing $30-50 a week, but had played there for 3 years. Well, karma has a way of evening things out. About a month after this, I/everyone received a free $10 Chip to try out thier new slots and cashed out $50. If it were not for that I would no longer be depositing there.

Hopefullly my QT withdrawl will hit my account tonight, so I can give TIV a try.

DD
 
Just to let you all know I received a PM from John at This is Vegas. He felt bad that The Gaming Club did not give me anything for Christmas. He asked if I had an account with This is Vegas and if so he would like to give me a free chip!
I do have an account with them and he deposited $25 in it! That was a very nice gesture!
Thanks John:thumbsup:

Kudos to John at This is Vegas. What a nice thing to do.:thumbsup:
 
Kudos to John at This is Vegas. What a nice thing to do.:thumbsup:
...........i like the idea that he (john) will p.m you back. some of these casinos just slay me, you give and give and give your money and when you might ask for a little something after losing a ton of money they act like your breaking the casino piggy bank and try to make you feel like your the one that should be greatful....bull crap!! i have had nothing but positive results from t.i.v and inetbet and 3- dice on the comp issue .....laurie
 
Hi Matthew23! That should not have happened.:what:
I think you got a lazy support person who had no
power to give free chips. If you are not totally over
Villento, try going to their live chat service and ask for
a manager or email with the subject:
"VIP Service or RETENTION TEAM"

I would explain you are a loyal player, never ask for
anything and this would be a nice gesture if they would
like to keep your business.

The best way to get back at a casino is never deposit there
again, but in my experience Villento keeps most of my players
happy.. you could give them a last chance to fix it or
just uninstall and save your money. GOOD LUCK either way!:D
 
Kudos to John at This is Vegas. What a nice thing to do.:thumbsup:

John from TIV was helpful and pm'd me about some technical issues as well.... and that's before i even thought of signing up there (as a result, TIV was the first Rival i signed up at.) I've had a very pleasant experience at TIV as well and am just waiting for the connection issues to be resolved when the servers seem busy. No problems at Pantasia so it seems to have to do with the upgrades. I know both John and Enzo put in a lot of energy, and have heard Pat (32red? right?) also goes the extra mile. Like i said, it can't be an easy job. You don't even need all the fingers on one hand to count the good ones which is kinda sad if you think about it. ;)
 
Just 10 minutes after I posted this thread lastnight..... I received a pm from John at Thisisvegas. To cheer me up he offered me a free chip even though I didn't even have an account at his casino. I was very surprised by this :)

It was the first time i've played properly at a Rival casino and I had a lot of fun. At one stage I was up $190 with the free chip :D ( of course I did lose it all again but thats besides the point). :p

I will diffinitly be playing there a lot more! :)

Hi Matthew23! That should not have happened.
I think you got a lazy support person who had no
power to give free chips. If you are not totally over
Villento, try going to their live chat service and ask for
a manager or email with the subject:
"VIP Service or RETENTION TEAM"

I don't think i'll email them again :) I would feel like I was begging....I shouldn't have to explain to them why i'm worth keeping. It's just not worth the hassle...
 
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Damn Matthew, that's so cheap of them. I really like Villento and I'm surprised by the reaction. I just built up about 1800 and blew it back to them this weekend. They have a crappy bonus system that takes forever to build up even a couple of bucks. Like I said, I got to play awhile with around $10 bets at a time and I wound up with $70 in bonus money.

I am not shy about asking for comps now and then as I spend alot of money at the couple of places I play at. (Just ask Enzo or Ellen at 3D!!HAHAHA) What's that old saying about people being "penny wise and pound foolish"? Seems to apply to alot of these sites. Amazing how many brain dead people gravitate to this industry!?!?!
 
I don't think i'll email them again :) I would feel like I was begging....I shouldn't have to explain to them why i'm worth keeping. It's just not worth the hassle...
I hope you don't mind, but fired off a quick e-mail to the Villento affy team pointing them to this thread.
Personally I think they were being very stingy and short sighted at best.

Like everyone else has said in this thread - nobody expects casinos to give you a ton on free cash, but it's these small gestures which help keep players happy. If I were a casino manager keeping the players happy would be my first priority - happy players will keep coming back! ;)
 
Thanks KK, I know I said I wouldn't email them again but just before your post I emailed them asking to close my account. I explained to them the reason.

From what I gathered from their reply they seem to be saying that because they offer a 35% weekly deposit bonus ....this means on the times I have claimed this I have accumulated an acceptable amount of 'bonus credits' and therefore I am 'simply not due' any extra reward.

I can, just about, see the point they are making with that, but I still don't see what the harm was in crediting me with a free chip :confused: The fact still remains that i've lost so much at the casino.

Anyway I'll just leave it at that. I've made my point. :)
 
They do have a terrible loyalty program. Claw your way to $2 bonus money and then have to deal with WR. I think it is a joke on your account page with Villento where it shows how many stupid bonus points you have and a meter that says I have to wager so much in the month to maintain my "platinum" status. If all I get is this measley bonus money I get off all my wagering, I have to wonder if platinum rusts!!!
 
I forgot to mention that I opened an account with TIV 2 years ago and every now and then they email me and tell me I have a free $7.00 chip. Maybe every 6 months or so.
I have never even deposited at this casino! Only because I have trouble purchasing. As soon as I can purcahse, you bet I will be playing there!
 
I have 650 loyalty points at Casino Grand bay. I asked them if they would bump me up to 1000 so I could redeem $10. You cannot redeem $5.00. They refused. "Rules are Rules" is what they said. I wont be playing there again. I know they can't just give out money whenever someone asks but I have deposited probably $30,000 there over the last few years. Maybe I'm expecting too much.
 
I have 650 loyalty points at Casino Grand bay. I asked them if they would bump me up to 1000 so I could redeem $10. You cannot redeem $5.00. They refused. "Rules are Rules" is what they said. I wont be playing there again. I know they can't just give out money whenever someone asks but I have deposited probably $30,000 there over the last few years. Maybe I'm expecting too much.

I would say that you aren't expecting to much, that is really disgusting for them to behave that way. Your story really takes the cake! :mad::mad:
It just escapes me how they can justify this sort of behavior. Do they not have any one there who has an inkling of common sense?


BTW........I wasn't going to mention it in the open forum cause I wasn't sure if I should but since others did, John from TIV made me a happy gal last night and while we are on that subject there is another MGR who goes beyond the call of duty, IMO. Enzo @3 Dice and John @ TIV.......hats off to you both.
With Enzo it was a completely different thread and it came to me as totally unexpected.


I haven't put a lot of money into either casino, so it was a very nice surprise but you can be sure that I will remember my little gift. Stuff like that means a lot. It makes you feel as if they value you and want your business and more than that it makes you feel as if you aren't just a number.

:thumbsup::thumbsup:
 
I decided to email them back explaining about how I play for fun, never cashing out and therefore there isn't any real risk in giving a comp. Infact don't casinos love players like me because I just keep spinning until the balance reaches $0 regardless of any nice wins I hit? :confused:

They replied saying that although I don't cash out, I am receiving game time. Also the 35% weekly bonus seems to be a big deal to them.

I think casinos with this kind of attitude will never compete with the likes of 32Red & 3Dice ect. They've just got it all wrong in my view.

Even if they were a completely rogue casino they should still have given me the Free Chip as it's far more beneficial to them than me in the long run.
 
I too now refuse to ask any casino for comps or bonuses the last time I asked was when I really needed a lift I hadn't been able to play for weeks and kindly asked a casino of which I'm also a VIP if they could kindly give me a little extra to play on. I was sent a 50% deposit bonus on my next deposit.

Needless to say I never deposited there again and since have no longer asked for perks as I felt so small and humiliated.:mad:
 
Well I'm not shy about asking!! Any of you reps that want to give me a bonus, just PM me and tell me the details!! I'm not a whale or anything, but I usually drop at least high five figures each year online. So let the offers start rolling in!
(Confidentiality is assured or not, your call casino reps)
 
Thanks for saying that bb. I felt like maybe I was whining a bit. You would think that they would understand the good PR they would get if they just did this for me.
I am also not afraid to ask for free chips so if Enzo is reading this...:D
 
I decided to email them back explaining about how I play for fun, never cashing out and therefore there isn't any real risk in giving a comp. Infact don't casinos love players like me because I just keep spinning until the balance reaches $0 regardless of any nice wins I hit? :confused:

They replied saying that although I don't cash out, I am receiving game time. Also the 35% weekly bonus seems to be a big deal to them.

I think casinos with this kind of attitude will never compete with the likes of 32Red & 3Dice ect. They've just got it all wrong in my view.

Even if they were a completely rogue casino they should still have given me the Free Chip as it's far more beneficial to them than me in the long run.

This is from Villento? If so that sounds like crap and they
do not care about happy players as much as I thought... :(
I guess I need to re-evaluate my opinion of that casino.

As a smart member here once said "show them the door":D
 
Well I'm not shy about asking!! Any of you reps that want to give me a bonus, just PM me and tell me the details!! I'm not a whale or anything, but I usually drop at least high five figures each year online. So let the offers start rolling in!
(Confidentiality is assured or not, your call casino reps)

HEY! Forget the casino reps!! If I do not get
banned for a little self promotion..:o A good affiliate
can get you more bonuses and "stuff" than the casino reps usally... !!:D
lolllllllll
 
I decided to email them back explaining about how I play for fun, never cashing out and therefore there isn't any real risk in giving a comp. Infact don't casinos love players like me because I just keep spinning until the balance reaches $0 regardless of any nice wins I hit? :confused:

They replied saying that although I don't cash out, I am receiving game time. Also the 35% weekly bonus seems to be a big deal to them.

I think casinos with this kind of attitude will never compete with the likes of 32Red & 3Dice ect. They've just got it all wrong in my view.

Even if they were a completely rogue casino they should still have given me the Free Chip as it's far more beneficial to them than me in the long run.

Game time? This costs them nothing yet they are using this as a cheap excuse to deny you a free chip which would have done much to cement your relationship with them. If I were you, I would maybe deposit $50 and run off with a win of $20 or $30 just to irritate them. That means you win a little and a bit of their so-called Game Time. My God, what else will they think of next?
 
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I lost a lot of money tonight at William Hill & Villento.... :rolleyes:

I have NEVER asked a casino for a free chip, until tonight. I emailed Villento asking if I could have a free chip as I have had the worst luck ever at their casino (Deposited $2000 - Withdrew $68) I never for one second thought they would say no. I thought it was just a question of how much....maybe $10 or $20. They replied saying unfortunately they will not be offering me a free chip.


When casinos really care about their customers who deposit and play noone should have to ask for a bonus the casino should automatically give bonuses to show appreciation to their players. Especially when they take a bad beat as this seems to be! Treating a customer like this will cost the casino in the long run.
 
This is from Villento? If so that sounds like crap and they
do not care about happy players as much as I thought... :(
I guess I need to re-evaluate my opinion of that casino.

I guess the way they see is that it doesn't matter if I win or lose because I am paying for the enjoyment of playing there. It's a very strange view point I think. If this was true then there would be no reason to play for real money. Why then offer a play for fun mode?

They also mentioned my deposit to bonus ratio. This is just stupid. I only usually make one deposit a week at any casino (as I get paid once a week). They offer a 30/35% weekly bonus instead of a 100% monthly so of course this is gonna mean a higher deposit to bonus ratio. But it's all completely irrelevant because I never cash out. They just don't understand this.

They did crack and give me a $10 chip, which actually felt worse than receiving nothing because of all the shit i've been through with them.

Perhaps if they were a member on this forum then they would be more in touch with reality.

Anyway i'm done with them, time to move on :)
 
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I just don't understand why they would refuse. It's not about the money, it's the principle. The casino will always win, so why not just give the player a free chip to keep them happy and make them feel that their loyalty means something to them. The fact they refused makes me feel embarrassed and cheap for having asked in the first place, there is no way I would continue playing there now. For the sake of $10 or $20 they will now miss out on potentially $1000's more of my money.

I feel the same way when they ask me to pay for soft drinks in landbased casinos. Completely ridiculous and shows lack of understanding on how people respond to generosity.
 
Hell, I've only played at Blackjack Ballroom a few times, and if I don't play for a couple of weeks, they e-mail me with a $20.00 bonus to play with. I think that is generous and smart as it keeps me going back to play there weather it's on their money or my own.;)
 
Hell, I've only played at Blackjack Ballroom a few times, and if I don't play for a couple of weeks, they e-mail me with a $20.00 bonus to play with. I think that is generous and smart as it keeps me going back to play there weather it's on their money or my own.;)

And that's the way casinos should be with their depositing players, give some bonuses and and keep your players happy. Certain casinos are just to greedy and cheap to realize that. Deposting players equals profits! such simple math.
 
Play them at their own game.

I do not, as a rule, ask for free chips. I participate in promotions, and if I have a bad beat, or feel neglected, I simply switch my play elsewhere. This usually has the effect of the casino instigating action such as offering a free chip and/or an extra bonus on the next deposit. This works pretty much all the time if I am down over the lifetime of my account, and sometimes even works if I am an overall winner at the casino.
They will not do this forever though, after a couple of offers they will realise that I am not coming back anytime soon, and that perhaps there is a bigger reason for my departure.
Sadly, players in the US do not have as many options, and casinos know this, and know they can be harder on US players as they are limited in where they can move on to.
These retention offers tend to come from a higher level than CS, who are probably now told NOT to give out free chips without going through procedures, and saying "NO" is a lot easier than going through histories and procedures to see if a free chip can be offered.

Where I HAVE raised the issue with casinos, it is because I have seemed to have been dropped from REGULAR offers, and far from being neutral treatment, this is NEGATIVE treatment where I have been singled out for WORSE treatment than "loyal players". Such casinos tend to be the first to make space on my hard drive, even before those with "crap" but regular promotions that I still get invited to.

Barring a progressive jackpot, or a rare huge win (such as a pat RF on a big bet, or 5 wilds on a slot free spin round), the casinos will win in the long term, even though I can be well ahead at individual casinos over an extended period of time.

Perhaps there is a mentality that players that ask, even occasionally, for a free chip are "bonus abusers".
 
What I don't understand - At all the Rival casinos, when your winning they always give you free chips. I dont need them when I've got money to play with, I need the free money when I'm not winning. I'm not complaining I'll take free money at any time just seems strange.:eek2:
 
Well I'm not shy about asking!! Any of you reps that want to give me a bonus, just PM me and tell me the details!! I'm not a whale or anything, but I usually drop at least high five figures each year online. So let the offers start rolling in!
(Confidentiality is assured or not, your call casino reps)

I've read many posts of members getting these unsolicited bonuses from certain casinos and their reps and, like others, I have never asked for a free chip. Hmmm, maybe I need to put out the needy vibe and see what happens :D

Or maybe a more direct approach?

Let's see......

Attention reps for Casino Rewards, MiniVegas, Pantasia, 400Group, ThisIsVegas, Superior, ClubWorld, INetBet, 3Dice and any other casino in which I've lost lately: show me the bonus!
 
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Villento should feel embarrassed, not you

I have not asked for any free chips, although I have been thrown a couple of retention bonus from the CR group.

At land based casinos you have to ask for a meal comp, and a B&M casino Thousand Island Charity Casino in Gananoque, Ontario twenty minutes from home, refused me a $7.00 comp for breakfast after rapidly losing $1000 without as much as one $50.00 win, as I had not "played enough". I spent $1000 a month there for well over a year, and was so incensed I have not been back in over 4 years. I have to travel at least two hours to gamble elsewhere, but I feel that lose a customer that loses regularly over a small sum is poor management. Go ahead and attach any kind of W/R you want to a freebie, I want my playtime.
 
hey all/Newbie here from the uk. After reading this thread,I feel i have to make my 1st post. Ok after playing poker at ladbrokes for about 12 moths now, I was winning a good income.And also having great fun transferring money from my poker account in to the casino account. Playing the slots :) I had the odd nice wins and the not so nice wins lol . Anyway after withdrawing to much (needed the funds ) I left my poker roll very much exposed/ And ended up transferring the last 1000 bucks bit by bit on the slots and it was my worst run ever. No problems tho. Im well up with what i withdrew in last 12 months at poker. But in the casino i estimate i lost in the region of 10k plus (ouch) Anyway still no regrets UNTILL THIS. In last week i have exchanged 16 (yes sixteen) emails with ladbrokes.Explaining i have not taken 1 promotion in all my time there untill last month .when they done the 100 free spins to EVERYONE. Well as you are now aware; i was down on my luck . So i emailed them about this free promo,It was late febuary,they tell me its finished and they doing a new one/ So they give me 100 free spins on tomb raider at 1pence a line @ 5 lines. Great every one else got 100 lines on osbournes at 1p @ 10 lines lol . Anyway i won about 8 pounds and soon lost it all again. So back to the 16 emails. Explaining how much i lose each month , And beging for some free spins as im down on my luck. Well in end i said look enough is enough.All i want is some free spins untill i deposit again at weekend. So please stop messing me about and answer my email simply by a yes or no ? They replied back for the very 1st time in about 5 minutes (normally wait 12 hours or more ) There reply was sorry we have no promotions for you at this moment ? Now i was in a rage.Feeling total hulamation(cant spell) I just let it go and unistalled there casino. I lost about 500 pounds a month there.And they couldnt sort me a few spins out. Its very very sad if you ask me. Also with the poker rake . Ladbrokes was making 3000 dollars a month out of me.Up to january. So in nearly a year they made close to 50k lol / Ok i have won on poker.But thats not the point is it ? So for the sake of a few free spins (10 pound at most lol ) They now have lost my bussiness for good. Im deposting this weekend . I also told them that(fell on deaf ears lol ) But unsure where to deposit ? What would you all do ? I do like my poker on lads,As i find it easy winnings. So deposit at poker only ? And find a new casino ? Sorry for rambling on lol. Its not a bad 1st post is it. Anyway nice site,And one day i might be able to put some winning screen shots up lol. bye for now. hushda x
 
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hi dearest friend, i want to tell you if you lost , it means you did not play well. otherwise you could be won in this game. it is a game of luck or mind . till where you can think or imgine unimaginery things. if you are really apset after this evil thing so i suggest you one time you play online game i visited here, before i also lost in game but i got tricks and information from here.
 
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Hushda24,

I agree with most of the things in your post. However, it would be even better if you had paragraphed them. Getting old now so it's not easy read for me.

Back to Ladbrokes, their promos are great but they have poor customer support. If the same happened to you at 32 RED, I am sure Pat would have given you a free $300 chip with no strings attached. There have been a couple of threads on the poor service Ladrokes rendered to its' customers at the beginning of the year. Dont expect it to get any better. If you can play at 32RED, it's a much better choice unless there is more fish at Ladbrokes, that is.
 
hi dearest friend, i want to tell you if you lost , it means you did not play well. otherwise you could be won in this game. it is a game of luck or mind . till where you can think or imgine unimaginery things. if you are really apset after this evil thing so i suggest you one time you play online game ---SiTe SnIpPeD oUt--- i visited here, before i also lost in game but i got tricks and information from here.

...devilled eggs with that spam??

bump this, and reporting!


and hushda, nice post. thanks for bumping this thread, i had missed it completely. just next time use paragraphs (by pressing enter twice) when the topic you're writing about changes or every 4-5 sentences if discussing one topic at length.

have a good day everyone! :thumbsup:
 
Fortunately it will probably have little effect, since the dot which should have separated "www" from the rest of the domain name was omitted. :D

lmao was it really? swift. :thumbsup:
 
Sorry guys,Im not that clued up on computers,And im now well educated lol . So i think you will have to bear with me ? Can someone give me an email that i can get pat from red32 on exscusivley please. I am a member at red32 but have lost all details. be lucky all. hushda24 x
 
Sorry guys,Im not that clued up on computers,And im now well educated lol . So i think you will have to bear with me ? Can someone give me an email that i can get pat from red32 on exscusivley please. I am a member at red32 but have lost all details. be lucky all. hushda24 x

Private Message user " path " here - that's the chap you're after!


(P.S It's 32 Red, not the other way round! :p )
 

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