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How an underage person could gamble online

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Even though an 8 year old may not withdraw money he could still gamble hard earned cash from his parents.How ? all he has to do is buy a gift mastercard/visa and there you go an 8 year old can gamble or buy ANYTHING online just anything even a crossbow on ebay.Online casinos should request verification before people deposit not after they try to take their money out.The sad thing is online casinos would take no blame for it,they would blame the parents.
 
I wholeheartedly agree..

But, to play devils advocate, ultimately it is the parent's fault. There's no reason for them not to know what their children are doing online, and it's definitely not the casino's role to play babysitter. Even if it's not gambling, what's to say they're not getting on chat sites and being targeted by sex offenders? In either case, the parents need to know what their child is doing. In general, the computer should never be used as a babysitting device, as well.

If a child is not only lying about their age to gain access to an online casino, or even thinking about gambling in the first place, then there's definitely something wrong at home...

Even so, this is a great topic and I'm sure it's going to be a great debate..

edit: and if you really want to get technical, if the kid is cunning enough, then they COULD cash out. How? It'd be easy, if the child's first name was the same as one of their parents. Sure, there'd be a Jr. in his name, but I seriously doubt they'd include that when signing up. Then if they wanted to cashout, they would just need to get the appropriate documents in order....

So, as you see, there are definitely ways around anything, even if they required documents before depositing and playing.
 
How many 8 year olds do YOU know that go around buying prepaid Mastercards for ANY reason?

Not many, but I do know a few people that have given gift cards as birthday/christmas presents, etc...usually it's relatives that really aren't sure what to give the kid..

It was usually customary to mail out cash, but in this day and age it's almost safer to send a gift card instead. At least with the gift cards you can call and get it canceled if it's stolen.

I think it'd be more likely for the kid to take their parent's debit/credit card from their purse/wallet as opposed to buying a gift card. I'm sure the OP was only using a gift card as an example.

and again, if a child steals their parents' card(s), then the parents just aren't doing a good job.
 
JackOfAllSuit,

My enquiring mind is interested in why you chose the age of 8? When the topic could have been better served as "How a child could gamble online".

And why make it gender specific as in "he"?

Is there more to this than your letting on?


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T
 
My question would be "why would an eight-year-old give a flying rat's ass?" :p

He (or she) would probably be searching for Darth Vader helmets or Hannah Montana & Spongebob paraphernalia. Playing slots? C'mon, be real.
 
My question would be "why would an eight-year-old give a flying rat's ass?" :p

He (or she) would probably be searching for Darth Vader helmets or Hannah Montana & Spongebob paraphernalia. Playing slots? C'mon, be real.

I think you're taking the OP too literal...this applies to any kid under 18, let alone those under 21.
 
He (or she) would probably be searching for Darth Vader helmets or Hannah Montana & Spongebob paraphernalia. Playing slots? C'mon, be real.

I used to play poker for play money couple of years ago. I had an online poker buddy who was about 10-12... :eek2: I asked a couple of times if his mom knows... there were also other kids who were teens...
I think if this kid had an option to deposit real money, he probably would. MC gift cards available in canada at retail stores, i don't know if kids actually can buy them.
 
What makes you think they have to deposit. What about players like myself that deposit and play for days with it. The child sees us and watches the games and like us they get hooked on free spins and bonus rounds. So all they have to do is click open the casino and connect and off they go if the account is funded.
 
Parents

Not many, but I do know a few people that have given gift cards as birthday/christmas presents, etc...usually it's relatives that really aren't sure what to give the kid..

It was usually customary to mail out cash, but in this day and age it's almost safer to send a gift card instead. At least with the gift cards you can call and get it canceled if it's stolen.

I think it'd be more likely for the kid to take their parent's debit/credit card from their purse/wallet as opposed to buying a gift card. I'm sure the OP was only using a gift card as an example.

and again, if a child steals their parents' card(s), then the parents just aren't doing a good job.

Yes it is our job parents to monitor activity of an 8 year old, maybe any minor. However it is not always bad parenting if they slip one past you. Kids are cleaver, speaking from a personal incident. Our friends kid was a b+ student, well behaved, and hardly ever got into and trouble. His school had a program where the top students were awarded laptops for good work.

At the time he was like 13 or 14, his mom installed all of the software for undesirable sites available at the time. Which it turned out was silly considering that now a days kids know so much more about computers and software than we do, plus he was a "techie".

One day we get our cc bill and see all these weird charges on it, places with no names for like 9.99, and 7.99. He was a teen boy, so you can figure out what he was looking for. I basically eventually got to the bottom of it and found out that he, along with my knuckle headed kids (boys) had gotten the number from something I ordered online, by hitting history while I was in the room monitoring it. I was always looking for graphic images rather than text. I was very upset, but I blamed myself, not just the xxx cos. although they removed the charges.

My husband who was not nearly as upset as I was for them looking up xxx sites, talked to them and explained the severity of their actions and they never did it again.
 
So all they have to do is click open the casino and connect and off they go if the account is funded.

If the adult saves their password with the casino save option then I guess anything is possible. However if the password has to be entered manually with every login session (unless the child has pinched that too) they would not be able to access the casino software.

I don't have any children here but if I did, I would be making sure that they couldn't access my casino accounts. Hell I'd be making sure they could only access content befitting their age. Thinking about it I'd only allow them supervised internet access, period!

And I sure as hell wouldn't be gambling online in their presence either :eek:

I guess if a parent(s) choose to let their kids rule the house instead of visa versa anything is possible, hey!

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T

PS With PC so cheap these days you could buy little Johnny or Sally a second hand P4 for $300. Install NetNanny or similar and at least have some peace of mind. Whilst password protecting your main PC login screen.
 
Yep kids will be kids. I mean if friends drop by kids are always can i have a spin plse plse plse. So im sure there are many parents out there off doing something child logs on and away they go. They are a lot smarter then we give them credit for. I myself have played online poker and euchre and crib and found out they are only 10 or 12 years old and playing.
 
At the time he was like 13 or 14

I think most teenagers will get up to something or other...I got totally smashed on Bicardi (white rum) when I was 14 (still can't touch the stuff without dry reaching). That btw was 33 years ago :D

With teenagers you expect a little discord and acting out. But literally or not IMHO there is a HUGE difference in age between a child (as depicted in this topic thread) and a teenager.

Just my 2 cents worth...

Cheers
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How many 8 year olds do YOU know that go around buying prepaid Mastercards for ANY reason?

That is what I thought. Not to common for a child to go but a prepaid mastercard.

Regarding children playing, of course it could happen, but casino's take every possible measure to prevent children from playing, at the end of the day, casino's do not run a child's household, the parents do. It is the exact same premise as a child entering an adult site.

With parenthood, comes responsibility.
 
Admin note: title change

Changed the thread title from "How an 8 year old could gamble online" to "How an underage person could gamble online" thus avoiding any unnecessary heated arguments on why someone that young would care. A seventeen year-old might care, but not an eight-year-old in my opinion.

Makes for a more productive/pertinent conversation. :D
 
That is what I thought. Not to common for a child to go but a prepaid mastercard.

Regarding children playing, of course it could happen, but casino's take every possible measure to prevent children from playing, at the end of the day, casino's do not run a child's household, the parents do. It is the exact same premise as a child entering an adult site.

With parenthood, comes responsibility.

but casino's take every possible measure to prevent children from playing,

i have to dissagree with that, how many times do casinos ask for proof of age BEFORE you deposit, for all the casino's know i could have been under the legal age to gamble and they wouldnt have had a clue until i had tried to cashout,
 
Online casinos should request verification before people deposit not after they try to take their money out.The sad thing is online casinos would take no blame for it,they would blame the parents.

I agree. Its weird that many sites are very strict on the cashout, but doesnt care about the deposits.

Only site I know of that asked for ID before my first deposit was virgingames.
 
i have to dissagree with that, how many times do casinos ask for proof of age BEFORE you deposit, for all the casino's know i could have been under the legal age to gamble and they wouldnt have had a clue until i had tried to cashout,

Very good point, I do admit.

I believe the casino takes the fact a player is paying with a payment method that must be acquired by not being a minor, and if so can be tracked
 
i reckon it should be made compulsory for all casino's to ask for id before you deposit, i know its been brought up before that people want to deposit there and then and not have to wait until the documents have been verified but most casino's seem to do it fairly fast nowadays,
it took me about 1 hour to get mine verified at jackpot capital , about 3 hours at gowild , before i had deposited, also if you get them verified beforehand there shouldnt be an excuse to delay payments,
wouldnt you rather wait a few hours to know everything is ok than to find out after that there is a problem.

for example take the rushmore case, if the casino had verified the accounts before the rogue players had deposited they probably wouldnt be in the mess there in now,
 
This topic isn't just related to underage gambling, it is fraud in general. If someone knows your exact personal details and uses your credit card, an operator can only do so many checks to prove that the person who opened the account is the person whose details have been used. There has to be a happy medium in place for the kind of industry we are in. Requesting documents prior to a deposit would only work if every single operator across the globe were bound to that process. The more respected regulatory authorites have strict guidelines on preventing underage gambling, so rest assured most operators will catch them and put a stop to it very quickly.
 
Hiya: This exact subject came up a few years ago here in Las Vegas. It is the reason that Internet Gambling was not made legal here in Nevada. "How to verify the person at the keyboard is of legal age to gamble"?

With the use of Web Cam's, someday there may be a Casino that comes along that requires you to have a web cam ON, while you play, so they can randomly monitor who is actually playing. Just like in a real Casino, employees will ask for ID if they think you are under age.

imhop: This would cause some players to quit. But, as a whole, it would make the Internet Gambling Industry much more solid, and would become more trustworthy, and deemed to be more responsible, and thus GROW.
 
It is the reason that Internet Gambling was not made legal here in Nevada. "How to verify the person at the keyboard is of legal age to gamble"?

As I see it the BIG problem is caused by accepting credit or debit cards. By placing restrictions on their use until a player has confirmed their identity, should lessen the ability for under-age persons to gamble online.

The major web wallets require multiple ID doc proof. Some also place small deposits into your nominated funding account to which you then add these amounts to further prove you are the account holder.

From memory Neteller and Click2Pay also conducts phone verification calls.

Even if a minor has managed to circumnavigate these type of security protocols, it would be very hard to camouflage one's voice to make it sound like an adult; especially if they're using their parents identity.

One of the problems that this industry is confronted with is that gambling is generally considered in the same realm as impulse buying.

IMHO as long as online gambling venues keep accept credit cards from complete strangers, there is always going to be issues faced with under-age gambling & or fraud.


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Okay fellow CMers. Your underage child gambles with your identity and your credit card and WINS. Do you cooperate in the fraud, or inform the casino and ask for a return of your deposit?

Of course, you pull the plug on his/her internet access. And administer other punishment for stealing from you.

I don't think children should have access to the internet in their rooms, and that all parents should monitor what they do...there are keyboard loggers and just knowing that mom and/or dad is watching limits their unwanted behaviour.

I also found that unchecking the password for internet access, worked great at eliminating all delays in getting chores completed.

Somehow children seem to think that these are rights and not privileges. And I always told my daughter that NOTHING on the internet was truly private, and that included my snooping.
 
Someone mentioned the idea of having webcams while gambling online???? Well that would be the one rule that would make me quit gambling for good! I would say the age should be raised to 21, but not many would agree with that.
 
Someone mentioned the idea of having webcams while gambling online???? Well that would be the one rule that would make me quit gambling for good! I would say the age should be raised to 21, but not many would agree with that.

:confused:

Raised to 21? There's only 2-3 states in the US that have laws allowing 18 year old's to gamble...it's mostly the EU that allows gambling at 18 and up..
 
Okay fellow CMers. Your underage child gambles with your identity and your credit card and WINS. Do you cooperate in the fraud, or inform the casino and ask for a return of your deposit?...
You'd be surprised how many people have tried to scam a casino with the "It was my kid on my computer - please refund the money he deposited." Funny thing is that the "child" played the exact same games, in the exact same way as the parent.

Makes ya go "hmmmm". :rolleyes:

The Internet (IMO) is much more secure and reliable when it comes to age verification. There are no ID checks at the door in ANY Vegas casino (that I can think of), and the only time ID is required is when a player cashes out $1000 or more.

Most online casinos require ID checks for cash outs of ANY amount.
 
You'd be surprised how many people have tried to scam a casino with the "It was my kid on my computer - please refund the money he deposited." Funny thing is that the "child" played the exact same games, in the exact same way as the parent.

Makes ya go "hmmmm". :rolleyes:

The Internet (IMO) is much more secure and reliable when it comes to age verification. There are no ID checks at the door in ANY Vegas casino (that I can think of), and the only time ID is required is when a player cashes out $1000 or more.

Most online casinos require ID checks for cash outs of ANY amount.

But do you not believe it is a more believable scenario for the PARENT of the underage child to say my KID won, so please cancel all the winnings and just refund my deposit instead?

I always read T&C's...even before casinomeister when I played at some dogdy places, I never saw one that allowed you to have anyone else have access to your casino account.

I fully expect Casinos to play by their rules, and I do my best to abide.
And you have anyone else on your computer and don't uncheck your passwords, you are just a fool. Even if you trust your kid, you don't necessarily trust all their friends.

I think it is a very reasonable response of casinos to request age verification, but they should have reasonable expectations of the same.

Chances are good little Johnny just changes his age on the registration form, and if he loses grandma's giftcard and can't provide age verification, tough noogies.

If your child steals from you, different matter.
 
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There are no ID checks at the door in ANY Vegas casino (that I can think of), and the only time ID is required is when a player cashes out $1000 or more.

True, and not so true, at the same time.

Just a couple of months ago I had the good fortune of cashing in for $3500 in Atlantic City (Bally's, to be exact), and they took my chips and gave me cash, no questions asked.

I've also cashed in for over $1,000 in various Vegas casinos without ID....did you mean $10,000? I've see signs posted about that limit at every casino cage I've been to..

And while Vegas/other land based casinos won't ask you for ID at the door, they certainly will not let you play without ID if they think you're too young.

I don't know what the punishment/fines are for Vegas casinos to allow underage gamblers to play, but just last year, the Borgata in Atlantic City was fined a whopping $105,000 for not only allowing a 19 year old to gamble, but he was also able to get a players card, be rated, and rack up over $1,000 in comps over 10 visits in over a year. A dealer actually found out that he was underage and called the gaming commission.


What did the dealer get for this? A whopping $50 :rolleyes:

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I've been to the Borgata a few times since then, and I can say for a fact that the dealers I've ran into will card every person that doesn't look 21.
 
Credit card fraud is a global issue, not just related to gaming. What is to stop a child using their parents details to purchase things over the Internet? At least with a gaming account you have to enter personal information to create an account, then you have to clear the card issuer checks which I would HOPE all operators run, and next to that you need to provide ID if you cash out. This is much more than an online store would do, they simply ask for a delivery address, billing address and card details.
 
This topic isn't just related to underage gambling, it is fraud in general. If someone knows your exact personal details and uses your credit card, an operator can only do so many checks to prove that the person who opened the account is the person whose details have been used. There has to be a happy medium in place for the kind of industry we are in. Requesting documents prior to a deposit would only work if every single operator across the globe were bound to that process. The more respected regulatory authorities have strict guidelines on preventing underage gambling, so rest assured most operators will catch them and put a stop to it very quickly.

in the uk a teenager can open a bank account and get a debit card.
i made a lot of deposits to an accredited casino on this site using a debit card over several years. in that time i was never asked for anything to prove my identity or age until i tried to cash out,so how would that casino know i wasn't underage. they wouldn't, unless im missing something about how accounts are verified before the op sends any info to the casino

maybe if it was made illegal for all casino's to accept deposits until a persons account was verified that would put a stop to alot of shady things,
but that wouldn't be up to the casino's it would probably be down to the governments in the licensing jurisdictions,
 
in the uk a teenager can open a bank account and get a debit card.
i made a lot of deposits to an accredited casino on this site using a debit card over several years. in that time i was never asked for anything to prove my identity or age until i tried to cash out,so how would that casino know i wasn't underage. they wouldn't, unless im missing something about how accounts are verified before the op sends any info to the casino

Very basic checks prevent that. People under the age of 18 who use their own details will have their accounts closed promptly. It's only difficult when they use their parents details or someone else of age.

Operators have access to alot of information to prevent fraud, hence so much security is involved in the operation.
 
actually, most states allow lottery sales when you are 18, so really what is the difference? I am from from the midwest where there are a TON of indian reservations where you only have to be 18. To me though, there is no difference in playing a legalized lottery and a game of poker. The state makes out big time in the lottery though.
 
True

You'd be surprised how many people have tried to scam a casino with the "It was my kid on my computer - please refund the money he deposited." Funny thing is that the "child" played the exact same games, in the exact same way as the parent.

Makes ya go "hmmmm". :rolleyes:

The Internet (IMO) is much more secure and reliable when it comes to age verification. There are no ID checks at the door in ANY Vegas casino (that I can think of), and the only time ID is required is when a player cashes out $1000 or more.

Most online casinos require ID checks for cash outs of ANY amount.

I tried not to gamble while the kids were home, or awake. The computer was in our bedroom. If one of them would have figured out how to get on to a casino, they would be pushing the max on slots just to see what would happen, when I play 40 cents, and doubling down on 5, and taking hits on 18.
 
lol

Thanks for changing the thread for the record I did not mean specifically an eight year old...But there are some smart kids out there so maybe a few could but I mean I have heard of plenty of school kids getting caught by their parents...Money can really motivate any person young or old hehe the solution would simply be to educate the public to use something like net nanny software or something not to have every single online casino by law get photo id before accepting money
 
found this useful section on partypoker
Underage players

Nobody under the age of 18 is allowed to play our games. If you are worried that under-18s may use your computer to play our games, try any of the following steps:

* Use child protection software, such as Cyberpatrol, Cybersitter and K9 Web Protection, to block gaming sites from under-18s
* Don't leave the computer unattended when you are logged in
* Don't share your credit card or bank account details with under-18s
* Do not use the 'Save Password' option on login screens
* Create separate profiles for everyone who uses your computer, so that nobody else can access your information

If you know someone under the age of 18 who is registered with us, please contact us immediately at [email protected].

maybe if you know underage gamblers you could report them to their specific casino
 
Credit card fraud is a global issue, not just related to gaming.

True...But under age gambling is illegal in most countries.

What is to stop a child using their parents details to purchase things over the Internet?

There is nothing to stop them, just like there is nothing to stop them pitching the keys to their car, having wild parties and getting drunk.

But if we entertained every thing that a minor could do, we being going off topic like this post, wouldn't we :rolleyes:


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True...But under age gambling is illegal in most countries.



There is nothing to stop them, just like there is nothing to stop them pitching the keys to their car, having wild parties and getting drunk.

But if we entertained every thing that a minor could do, we being going off topic like this post, wouldn't we :rolleyes:


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My point was that there is nothing in place to stop fraud besides the procedures already in place, which are very effective. It is an issue that is guaranteed to happen to some people, but so long as operators do everything possible to help prevent it from happening then we shouldn't worry too much about it.
 
My point was that there is nothing in place to stop fraud besides the procedures already in place, which are very effective. It is an issue that is guaranteed to happen to some people, but so long as operators do everything possible to help prevent it from happening then we shouldn't worry too much about it.

If these procedures are so good, why do we see so many complaints from players who are apparently OK when these checks have taken place on any number of deposits, yet are "fraudsters" when they come to cashing out. I suspect that quite a few casinos skimp on the many checks that are possible, such as electronic credit searches to verify name & address, when players deposit, relying instead on the fact that THEY can only ever lose out if they pay a WITHDRAWAL to a fraudulent player, and concentrate all their checks at this point.

Neteller have far more stringent checks than credit cards, yet these checks are STILL not enough for most casinos, who ask for the same documents from a Neteller depositor as they would from a cash equivalent depositor (such as UKash vouchers, or gift cards). If the Neteller checks are so damn good, why is the fact I qualify to use Neteller to deposit not enough for me to use it to withdraw without sending the same set of documents to nearly every casino that I originally sent to Neteller.


As for children accessing casinos, what about the DELUGE of SPAM for casinos that is sent equally to an 8 year old's email address as to an 18 year old's one. The sheer volume of such SPAM, unlike Viagra, is for an activity many children will understand, and might decide to experiment with. Given the personal details required for initial sign-up, you would be hard pressed to find a child who doesn't know where their parent lives, since they live there as well. Add to this the name and age of the parent, and the child has enough for the registration, and any no-deposit free chip on offer. Older children will be able to figure out how to deposit, and will seek out the information needed, and the most careful parent is likely to slip up occasionally.
The ID documents required for a cash-out should not challenge the clever teen either, since no parent can stay awake 24/7 and ensure their rules are fully obeyed.

It would only be the tech savvy parents who stand a chance at stopping even the most determined teen in their tracks, but the advent of internet enabled mobile phones, and free public wi-fi access, will again hand the advantage to the teen, whose internet session could be taking place anywhere, not just in their bedroom, unmonitored by the parent.

Unless the parent can control EVERY computer their child can access, they CANNOT completely control the sites their child visits, or what they do there.

The UK is not exactly a shining light, since for many years it was legal for children to freely gamble on "Fruit Machines" in "family arcades". The US equivalent of these "family arcades" had only pay per play games, such as video machines or pinball. I have frequently encountered teens playing "Fruit Machines" on my many motorway services trips before I "found" the online variety, and these teens EASILY outsmarted attempts to enforce the under 16 ban as it was then. Now the rules are far stricter, yet it is STILL possible for the determined teen to play these machines, and still LEGAL in "family resorts" provided the gambling is for modest prizes and stakes. If children see gambling as family entertainment, they are more likely to engage in it as they get older - my posting here is proof of that.
 

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