Hmm, this hasn't been brought up yet?

[winbig]

No, this is not another 'attack' on Palin's personal life. This article just leaves me bewildered.

#1. Aren't you supposed to NOT fly while you're pregnant (she was in her 3rd trimester)
#2. Not only did she fly to Texas from Alaska while pregnant, she flew back to Alaska AFTER her water broke in Texas??? What would have happened if there were complications on the flight back? Emergency landing?

....and this might be our new Vice President, who seems to make oh so logical decisions?

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ANCHORAGE, Alaska -- Gov. Sarah Palin gave birth to her fifth child at about 6:30 a.m. Friday morning.

Trig Paxson Van Palin was born at Mat-Su Regional Hospital about one month before he was scheduled to arrive.

Trig Palin weighs six pounds, two ounces.

A press release from the governor's office says Palin and her new son are both "doing well and resting comfortably."

The Palins released the following statement:

"Trig is beautiful and already adored by us. We knew through early testing he would face special challenges, and we feel privileged that God would entrust us with this gift and allow us unspeakable joy as he entered our lives. We have faith that every baby is created for good purpose and has potential to make this world a better place. We are truly blessed."

Just yesterday, Palin was in Texas at a forum on energy with Texas Gov. Rick Perry and executives from four other states.

Palin was asked at the forum whether or not she would accept an offer by Republican presidential candidate John McCain to share the national ticket as vice presidential nominee.

She said she would accept, according to reports from a Texas newspaper.

The governor's water broke during the energy conference but she stayed and gave a 30-minute speech before boarding an Alaska Airlines plane home to deliver the baby.

Gov. Palin's parents, Sally and Chuck Heath, visited with their new grandson Friday afternoon.

The grandfather says Trig is named after his great uncle, a Bristol Bay fisherman, while the name Paxson comes from the well-known snowmachining area.

Both baby and mom are doing well, said Chuck Heath, and will be going home Saturday.

"She's tired, yeah. She traveled, well, she was at that convention, traveled all night, gave birth this morning, what have you, and hasn't slept today. She's tired," he said.

An unnamed source that is close to the family has said that the early testing revealed Trig Palin has Down Syndrome.

Contact Lori Tipton at ltipton@ktuu.com

 

[RobWin]

I'm still trying to figure out if it's her 17 year old or 15 year old daughter that is pregnant now or has she already had the baby ??

 

[winbig]

I'm still trying to figure out if it's her 17 year old or 15 year old daughter that is pregnant now or has she already had the baby ??

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WASILLA, Alaska (AP) The teenage pregnant daughter of Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin and her boyfriend are considering a summer wedding.

Bristol Palin, 17, and Levi Johnston, 18, haven't set a wedding date yet, his mother, Sherry Johnston, said Thursday.

The two have been considering getting married next summer, "but that could change," she said during a short interview outside her Wasilla home. The baby is due in late December.

The young couple was thrust into the spotlight after Sarah Palin was selected as John McCain's running mate in late August.

That only intensified Sept. 1 when Palin announced her unwed daughter was pregnant, spinning Internet speculation about the father's identity. In a short statement, the campaign never identified Levi, instead saying only: "Bristol and the young man she will marry are going to realize very quickly the difficulties of raising a child, which is why they will have the love and support of our entire family."

Sherry Johnston eventually disclosed that her son, a former high school hockey player, was the father.

Levi Johnston attended the Republican National Convention in St. Paul, Minn., the next week as Palin accepted the nomination.

 

[winbig]

lmao.....

He boasted on his MySpace page "I'm a f - - -in' redneck" and said he likes to snowboard and ride dirt bikes.

Wow, they've really cleaned him up so he can be in front of the camera for the media now. Check out the before and after pics.


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[LaurieJim]

i was 8 and a half months pregnant with twins when i flew home, its not unheard of to do so but risky imo, i do think if my water had broken, i would have stayed put and headed for the nearest hospital but thats just me, different strokes for different folks, i guess...................laurie

 

[lots0]

People in Alaska fly everywhere.

Just about every long time Alaskan resident has a plane.

Thats what happens when you live in a state that only build roads and bridges to nowhere...

 

[winbig]

i was 8 and a half months pregnant with twins when i flew home, its not unheard of to do so but risky imo, i do think if my water had broken, i would have stayed put and headed for the nearest hospital but thats just me, different strokes for different folks, i guess...................laurie

I'm no doctor, but I seriously doubt any doctor would advise a woman to fly nearly 4,000 miles after their water broke.

Let's also not forget the basic facts here:

Not only did her water break, but she gave a 30 minute speech afterwards, and before flying to Alaska?

She wasn't alarmed at all that her water broke, even though her baby wasn't due for another MONTH?

It's obvious she didn't even THINK about the welfare of her unborn child. How does one think that she even cares about the American public?

Here's her flow chart:

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[winbig]

Sorry, but I'm just going to throw it out here. Don't stone me, it's an honest question.

She knew in December that tests showed that her baby would quite possibly be born with Down syndrome.

Food for thought: Since she is against abortion, maybe she saw the 4,000 mile flight after her water broke as a 'way out?'

 

[LaurieJim]

Sorry, but I'm just going to throw it out here. Don't stone me, it's an honest question.

She knew in December that tests showed that her baby would quite possibly be born with Down syndrome.

Food for thought: Since she is against abortion, maybe she saw the 4,000 mile flight after her water broke as a 'way out?'

its a fair question, but i dont think that was the case imho, still odd though about the water breaking and then giving a speech before flying that far back home, now that one does have me bewildered too........laurie......nite all

 

[winbig]

its a fair question, but i dont think that was the case imho, still odd though about the water breaking and then giving a speech before flying that far back home, now that one does have me bewildered too........laurie......nite all

Here's another wrench to throw in the mix:

She even had a layover in Seattle...

 

[RobWin]

Who is Trig's Mother - Sarah or Bristol Palin

 

[winbig]

Who is Trig's Mother - Sarah or Bristol Palin

That story has been debunked for quite some time now. Let's not even go there.

 

[RobWin]

That story has been debunked for quite some time now. Let's not even go there.

The jury is still out on who's it really is the more I read and watch these videos, the baby seems to always be in Bristol's care in 98% of all the pics out there, just found this one too and it even makes the point clearer...just saying if the evidence does make it Sarah's then why does the hospital in Wasilla not have a record of this ?? Why is there hardly no pics of the younger daughter or even Todd for that matter holding the baby ?? There is still a shit load of questions unanswered on this in my book...

Levi & Bristol's MySpace Page Proof Sarah Palin Grandma

 

[lots0]

I think its a done deal...

McCain holds a rally and 2000 people show up.

Obama holds a rally and 100,000 people show up...

 

[anniemac]

You know, guys, I really like all of you but this thread is absolutely uncalled for. I notice that there are not any women commenting on what you guys think is so very important. Since it is physically impossible for you to know about the birth of a baby, I don't see where any of you are qualified to pass judgement. You are dragging up personal stuff simply because she is a woman. You don't know what the reason was that she flew back to Alaska. And unless you were in the bedroom with her and her husband or her daughter and her boyfriend, I don't think you need speculate on whose baby it is.

I don't see a halo above Barack Obama's head or Joe Biden's either. Bill Clinton had his sex life plastered all over the world and he is still regarded as a great president.

The insinuations and comments you have made on this topic are just plain nasty.

 

[GamTrak]

The insinuations and comments you have made on this topic are just plain nasty.

I guess it's acceptable on that other board then huh?

 

[anniemac]

What are you talking about? I really don't care what is posted on another board.

If she chose to have her baby on the side of the road, not your business. Lots of women chose to have their babies in a birthing tub and personally, I can't think of anything I would rather do less. Is it my business, absolutely not. Could it affect the way I would run this country? Absolutely not. My sister chose to fly home in labor so that her youngest could be delivered by her doctor.

And IF her youngest by some slim chance does belong to her daugter, then you know what, more power to her. I am a mother and if I thought that my daughter/son would benefit from my claiming their child was mine, I would do it in a heartbeat. And again, it is none of anyone else's business.

You know the old adage about people who live in glass houses. Work in this situation.

 

[winbig]

The insinuations and comments you have made on this topic are just plain nasty.

Sorry, but I stand behind every comment I've made in this thread.

Look at it from another angle:

A lady is 44 years old, and 7.5 months pregnant with a child that quite possibly has down syndrome. (can we say high risk pregnancy?)

Her water breaks, 4,000 miles from home.

Not only does she wait 30 minutes to board her plane, but she waits for a connecting flight in a city that is ~2300 miles from home.

Thank God that she makes it home in time to get to the hospital and deliver a healthy baby.

....and womens groups are applauding her for this?

If this was any woman besides Sarah Palin, child protective services would NOT let this woman keep her baby. Plain and simple. What she did was put her unborn baby in jeopardy.

If she chose to have her baby on the side of the road, not your business. Lots of women chose to have their babies in a birthing tub and personally, I can't think of anything I would rather do less.

Having a baby on the side of the road usually means that the baby is coming, NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO. If it's gotten to that point, then it's too late to get to a hospital.

Think about the baby. What's best for the baby. Not "what's best for the mother." What would have happened if the baby decided it was coming out on the plane, and there were complications? What would have happened if the baby died because she didn't go to a hospital where she was in Texas, and instead decided to fly 4,000 miles home?

Is it my business, absolutely not. Could it affect the way I would run this country? Absolutely not.

I think it's everyone's business. This only proves the fact that she doesn't think logically about the decisions she has to make, and puts lives in jeopardy when she does so. Remember, this may be our future president if something happened to McCain; which is quite possible, given his age.

My sister chose to fly home in labor so that her youngest could be delivered by her doctor.

Did she let the airline know that she was in labor? A lot of airlines won't let women fly if they're that pregnant - without a doctor's release.

and again, yes, that's her choice, but was that the best decision for the baby?

 

[anniemac]

Winbig,

What I am trying to get across is that you don't know the facts about this. No one does. This is personal and has no business being batted around this forum or any where else. You don't know the physical/medical situation. Just for informations sake, I was 2 weeks overdue, had been on bedrest for 2 months and guess what I did the day I went into labor. I canned tomatoes and pickles from my garden. All day long. Was this a wise choice? Didn't affect my daughter's birth at all.

It has no bearing on the presidential/vice presidential capabilities. You bring this up because she is a woman. I see no one scrutinizing Michelle Obama's birthing choices.

Did Barack Obama ever smoke? How about Joe Biden or John McCain? If they did, does that make them less qualified to run for president?

It is not our business and has no bearing on anything.

And I stand by my statements also.

 

[winbig]

Winbig,

What I am trying to get across is that you don't know the facts about this. No one does.

Everybody knows the facts regarding her flight from Texas to Alaska after her water broke.

This is personal and has no business being batted around this forum or any where else.

Yes, it's personal, but at the same time, it just goes to show that she makes decisions based on what's good for her, and not others. I definitely can't trust a person, man or woman alike, that makes decisions such as these but yet may be leading our country one day.

You don't know the physical/medical situation. Just for informations sake, I was 2 weeks overdue, had been on bedrest for 2 months and guess what I did the day I went into labor. I canned tomatoes and pickles from my garden. All day long. Was this a wise choice? Didn't affect my daughter's birth at all.

Not a wise choice, but canning tomatoes and pickles is a far stretch from flying 4,000 miles after your water broke.

It has no bearing on the presidential/vice presidential capabilities. You bring this up because she is a woman.

No, I bring this up because (again) it shows her true character. She will continue to make decisions based on her agenda, and will not take anything else into consideration, apparently.

I see no one scrutinizing Michelle Obama's birthing choices.

The last time I checked, Michelle Obama wasn't running for Vice President....but if you want to debate any bad decisions that she's made in regards to her pregnancies, feel free to post it...

Did Barack Obama ever smoke? How about Joe Biden or John McCain? If they did, does that make them less qualified to run for president?

A candidates option to smoke or not is on them. I don't see why that would make them any less qualified.

It is not our business and has no bearing on anything.

And I stand by my statements also.

Yes, it is our business. One day she's going to be putting her baby at risk, the next, she's going to be putting us at risk, because she cannot come to a logical decision. One that is the best for all parties involved, not just her.

and FWIW, my ex-wife was in a similar situation in regards to a high risk pregnancy. She only has one functioning kidney, and was 38 years old at the time. She was allowed to work up until the 5th month of the pregnancy, and after that - forget it. We were at the clinic about every 2 weeks having tests done, and even had to travel 4 hours (about 3 months in) to St. Louis to see a specialist to make sure our son was going to be ok. They had to induce labor 8 months in, and my son weighed just under 5lb when he was born and spent 2 weeks in NICU. I just thank God that he's now a healthy 14 year old.

So, yes, although I'm not a female, I do know a little bit on the subject...

 

[just play]

and FWIW, my ex-wife was in a similar situation in regards to a high risk pregnancy. She only has one functioning kidney, and was 38 years old at the time. She was allowed to work up until the 5th month of the pregnancy, and after that - forget it. We were at the clinic about every 2 weeks having tests done, and even had to travel 4 hours (about 3 months in) to St. Louis to see a specialist to make sure our son was going to be ok. They had to induce labor 8 months in, and my son weighed just under 5lb when he was born and spent 2 weeks in NICU. I just thank God that he's now a healthy 14 year old.

So, yes, although I'm not a female, I do know a little bit on the subject...

That's a little different than having a down syndrome baby don't you think?

Your wife and child had serious problems (thankfully everything worked out) but Sarah Palin and her child weren't in jeopardy like your family was. It's not even compairable.

My daughter was born just under 5lbs too...now is 6yrs, very healthy and is the tallest (boy or girl) in her class

 

[anniemac]

OK Winbig, you win. I know you are an Obama/Biden supporter. Good for you. I hope he is all you think he is.

If you feel that where, when or how Sarah Palin had her baby is a deal breaker for president, then by all means vote for Obama.

But somewhere in this world there is a right to privacy. Yours, mine, Sarah Palin's. The fact that you chose to drag up something as personal as the birth of her child and whether or not Trig is hers or her daughter's is low as far as I am concerned.

Oh and just so you won't think I am bashing Democrats, I don't think the world needed to know what Bill Clinton did with the cigar either. And I voted for him. For my money, Hillary would have made a better president than the choices we have now.

 

[winbig]

OK Winbig, you win. I know you are an Obama/Biden supporter. Good for you. I hope he is all you think he is.

If you feel that where, when or how Sarah Palin had her baby is a deal breaker for president, then by all means vote for Obama.

But somewhere in this world there is a right to privacy. Yours, mine, Sarah Palin's. The fact that you chose to drag up something as personal as the birth of her child and whether or not Trig is hers or her daughter's is low as far as I am concerned.

Oh and just so you won't think I am bashing Democrats, I don't think the world needed to know what Bill Clinton did with the cigar either. And I voted for him. For my money, Hillary would have made a better president than the choices we have now.

*shrug*

If you read some of my previous posts, you'll see that I don't think Obama nor McCain are right for this country.

Just trying to voice my opinion

and FTR: You'll see above that I feel that the subject as to whether Trig is Sarah's baby or her daughters has been proven that it's definitely Sarah's.....like that matters in any case.

and on a closing note: how is it NOT a danger to the baby when someone, anyone, flies over 8 hours & 4,000 miles home after their water breaks?

 

[winbig]

Now for a further closing note:

I'm not sorry in any way that I brought this issue up. The facts are posted, it's up to you to decide.

Now I'm off to figure out a way to ignore this whole 'policitical' section of the forum altogether. It does nothing but give me a headache.

 

[jetset]

Wow - all this increasingly intense and relentless political proselytizing is making my eyes water on a daily basis reading these threads, and it illustrates just how personal and divisive political discourse can become imo.

Clearly being a political candidate for high office is only for the bold and thick-skinned prepared to withstand everything and anything that can be thrown at them. Because it will be. Not a nice business.

The majority here appears to favour Obama, and it looks as if he will have to live up to some pretty high expectations in an extremely difficult global political and financial environment if he is finally elected.

In the meantime perhaps an earlier plea in this forum for a little more restraint and sensitivity despite the emotive nature of political debate is not such a bad idea. Everyone has a right to their opinions - but it's the way these are expressed and the knowledge that we're discussing human beings as well as politicans here that can make a difference.