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God I hate the ClubWorld Group lol

Discussion in 'Online Casinos' started by AudiManinBoro, Feb 3, 2012.

    Feb 3, 2012
  1. AudiManinBoro

    AudiManinBoro Ueber Meister MM

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    Ive deposited lots and lots over the years with the clubworld group at all of their casinos and hardly ever won a brass farthing lol Their a good group and trustworthy but my luck has always sucked with them. Anyways I get a free chip at HighNoon with a max 10 times cashout and then hit a grand win on a relatively low bet :(

    Im Looking at my lovely balance now and I know most of it is essentially worthless. Its times like this you wish youd never even played the free chip. Honestly its enough to make you cry lol :(

    Yes I know im bitching. I do apologise but this forum is a good place to vent frustration as much as it is to garner valuable knowledge so I do apologise :oops:
     
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  2. Feb 3, 2012
  3. Casinomeister

    Casinomeister Forum Cheermeister Staff Member

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    Clubworld has nothing to do with how the software operates, or how "lucky" you are. You might as well complain about the wind on a windy day.
     
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  4. Feb 3, 2012
  5. AudiManinBoro

    AudiManinBoro Ueber Meister MM

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    I know I know, I just needed to vent my frustration :D Feeling better now lol Although they are however in control of what max cap they put on people getting lucky from their free chips. I can see how it should apply for non depositers or freeby seekers but personally I feel that for depositing players x10 is too low. But never mind, how it rolls I guess.
     
  6. Feb 3, 2012
  7. SlotMonster

    SlotMonster SoftSwiss Representative webmeister

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    I hate "max cashout" rule...
    But you still can gain some comps, no?
     
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  8. Feb 3, 2012
  9. AudiManinBoro

    AudiManinBoro Ueber Meister MM

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    I believe they remove the extra money pretty soonish upon a cashout, but im not 100 % sure. I dont mind having a max cashout rule on a free chip, I just think x10 is too low for someone who has deposited often. but Its the rules and I knew that when i claimed the chip so im not really complaining, like I say more just venting lol
     
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  11. chuchu59

    chuchu59 gambling addict CAG PABnonaccred

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    The comps gained are too meagre. 0.01% only so if your turnover is $10k you only get $10 worth of comps. I dont have probs with a max cashout but playthru at places like JC and Intertops is too high at 60x.
     
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  12. Feb 3, 2012
  13. Nate

    Nate Ueber Meister CAG webmeister

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    Not to be disrespectful,

    Ofcourse they do... They determine the RTP from predetermined settings. In saying that, they are not on the highest or lowest setting either (From what we are told)....

    Luck on the other hand is just that - Luck.

    Nate
     
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  15. Deanna

    Deanna Senior Member

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    Every time I choose to play the free bonus chips at CW it freaks me out. I've never won a Random Jackpot playing with my own money, I've actually never seen one even drop as if someone else won it but the idea of hitting one if I claimed a $15 chip and could only cash out $150? OMG. Shoot me.

    I was thinking about this the other day when I played a $15 chip. I was a little over $145 and thought I should just cash this out now and move on before I hit something big and put my fist through my computer. Then I realized that they were going to take the original $15 away from me, plus if I used "PayMyCard" it would cost me another $9. I'd be left with $121. That just doesn't seem like enough to wait 4-8 days on so...needless to say I played it quickly to get rid of it. From now on I will only use $50 and above I think. At least that way the possibility exists of actually receiving over $400 on a cashout.

    Some days I have good luck at CW but most of the time I just watch my money go Bye Bye.
     
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  17. Mousey

    Mousey Ueber Meister Mouse CAG

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    I'm terrified of free chips at an RTG. Any RTG that has max bet on freebies. Didn't use them very much. I've never ever hit a random. (Played RTG since before there was such a thing.) But with my luck, if I ever did hit one, it would be on a free chip. No thank you!
     
  18. Feb 3, 2012
  19. Nate

    Nate Ueber Meister CAG webmeister

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    Well, I don't know if it is the case with all Slotastics Free Chips, but although they have a Max Cashout, you are permitted to play any of the Progressive Games (under the progressive Tab) and keep the Progressive if you win it. Id rather play Cleopatra or Jackpot Pinatas and lose than play another slot and be paranoid I'm going to hit the Random :)

    Nate
     
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  21. Casinomeister

    Casinomeister Forum Cheermeister Staff Member

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    As far as I know, their slots are on default settings because they have never messed with them. So Club World really has no say in a run of luck.

    And we know what luck is, it's nothing more than magical fairy dust - it doesn't exist.
     
  22. Feb 3, 2012
  23. vinylweatherman

    vinylweatherman You type well loads CAG MM

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    It's not about the settings, it is about shaving the upper portion of any variance in favour of the player, whilst shaving none of the lower portion. This leads to this type of situation where a player has a run of bad luck, and just when they hit a positive swing, most of it is confiscated because they hit on a small free chip, rather than on one of their deposits. This means players do not necessarily get a fair chance to get back to the long term RTP if they happen to have their luck when playing free chips. This can make their personal RTP lower than the expected 95%, even though their gross payback has met this 95% average.

    This is purely down to CWC, it is THEIR choice to impose a 10x cap, and is nothing to do with the software. What IS down to the software is the other variance shaving feature that limits a bonus round payout to around 2000x bet. Whilst pretty high, it ensures those "once in a lifetime" mega hits never actually happen because instead the player gets the "max feature payout" message, and sees half or more of their payout confiscated by the software for that spin, and the rest of the feature potential voided.

    With other software, there is no limit to what can be won from free spins, and in MGS there is potential to have far more than 2000x bet from a bonus round.

    The biggest problem with RTG free chips is that ALL their slots are "progressive" due to the Random Jackpot feature, so it is impossible to avoid the pain of hitting a RJ and finding most of it gets taken back by the casino. It would be better to have the RJ as a side bet, which you could avoid playing where you have a capped promotion.
     
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  25. Nate

    Nate Ueber Meister CAG webmeister

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    You're absolutely correct VWM,

    Irrelevant of the RTP - You are further disadvantaged at RTG Casinos because of the greedy 'Max WD' rules they impose. They also impose Max Win rules. If you are lucky and happen to be living in the US, there are endless delays and processing issues. The rep often also goes a few days without replying.

    I know some of the above points are actually not relevant to this thread but at the end of the day - Is it really worth it?

    IMPO - NO - Casinos have become tighter by other means and at the end of the day its all about how much they can scoop.

    Players already have the house edge against them and further obstacles like Max Wd's on free chips, Max Wd's per week, Max Wins and long pending periods are given to them.... Shameful IMPO!!!!

    It is such a pity that they would never put a limit on how much you can lose.

    Nate
     
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  27. milemaster

    milemaster Senior Member

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    The only thing to hate about the club world group is the terrible withdrawl experience. They will sit on a pending withdrawl for days, not respond to emails, and take the weekends off. After I experienced my withdrawl being processed at Bovada casino in 2.5 hours last week I feel like a fool for the times I waited for CWC to "get around to it".

    The games are not rigged, but there is no question they follow the strategy of dragging their feet to encourage reversals. Now that I've found Bovada I really see no need to continue the cashier charade at CWC.
     
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  28. Feb 4, 2012
  29. PaaskeDKnowUK

    PaaskeDKnowUK Always think positive CAG PABnoaccred webmeister

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    That is why I got ZIP out of my nice 30$ no deposit chip from Club World (Highnoon Casino) :D :axeman2:
     
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  30. Feb 4, 2012
  31. footdr

    footdr Banned User: PITA violations of the Forum Rules

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    Well.......

    you probably wouldn't have won without the free chip. Hate to say but if spins were totally random you would have better luck the next time you deposit and play after cashing out and being paid a big win. I firmly believe that vip players win after they have lost X dollars. No way to prove if play is random or not. So anyone saying it is random and anyone saying it is not, simply is stating their opinion as there is no way to prove either position.

    One thing I do know is that I win more playing slots online per deposit and session that I do at any land based casino; so that is why I continue to play.

    If you think this sucked. I received a free chip at Casino Titan via a rep calling me and I asked if there was a max cashout and he said no. I won $15,000.00 and after a week of back and forth regarding my withdrawal and when it would be approved; when it finally was they took 14,000 away after advising there was a max cashout. Now that really sucks!
     
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  32. Feb 4, 2012
  33. footdr

    footdr Banned User: PITA violations of the Forum Rules

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    Please read my post above and let me know your thoughts
     
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  35. samoas

    samoas Senior Member

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    I have to say I agree with this. The only time I play a free chip is when the offering is generous. e.g. $100 or more. JC & Slotastic are very kind to me. I have cashed out once on a free chip via Slotastic @ $650. Clubworld on the other hand I wouldn't touch with a 10 foot pole.;) $15 here, $25 there. Mind you same play given as the other establishments. Pfffft.:confused:
     
  36. Feb 4, 2012
  37. footdr

    footdr Banned User: PITA violations of the Forum Rules

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    Agree, I usually ask they remove the bonus if it has been added to my account and is under $100.00 But 10X 100.00 is a good thing and worth taking a chance
     
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  38. Feb 4, 2012
  39. amatrine

    amatrine Crazy Cat Lady webmeister

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    I have had a couple thousand dropped off my win because it was a free chip. It hurts. Especially when you have spent thousands, loose, get a small free chip, win, and most of it is taken back, ... then you go back into loosing mode again on your own money. I also will no longer take the small free chips.
    My deposits are not small and I find the little ones insulting. Then with processing fees, not even worth it.

    I gotta laugh when I get emails from a casino that I have a $5.00 free chip for being a loyal player. Really??? Take the $5.00 and stick it under your toenail.
     
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