General Election 2024 Thread

[goatwack]

Yes, words matter. And yet, here we have mention of 'illegal immigration', something eschewed from months prior when all the rhetoric was of 'migration', from unknown locations and painted as fleeing 'persecution'.

So what is illegal immigration, if not for hundreds of unvetted people arriving daily by boat away from border patrols?

Tackling trafficking gangs at the source is great PR, yet deploying ex-MI5 personnel and escorting arrivals to the mainland via a shiny new boat named Tugger is probably not 'it'.

Neither is taking away autonomy from locals that voice concerns regarding newbuilds, or by making workers' rights so OP that no employer dare hire them, tilting the employer/employee dynamic so far that many will inevitably find themselves unemployable, those that haven't already been!

All the while, displacing an entire sector in regards to the North Sea oil Net Zero pledge, creating poverty, not to mention Britain inevitably importing oil reserves during this (never ending) transition!

So far then, not a lot other than grandiose plans that rip up every rule book in sight, a 'revolution' that involves Pension pilfering and limitless spending, all to repair foundations, as generations to come pay the price! How very Truss!

Gorman may have screwed up, but Ripley slowly screeching into an alien hive whilst surrounded by hundreds of xenomorphs descending on the APC is the alternative cut we're getting by the looks of it

Time will tell how Starmer's vision pans out, as these are early days, and the snake oil charm of populism may sound seductive, yet ignoring it will lead to France-like scenarios.....and him changing language to align himself with people's concerns whilst picking their pockets makes him just another politician, don't it?

 

[amandajm]

They won't stop gangs smuggling people, gear, nicked phones, contraband, etc, while the money is there. Don't believe the hype.

What Starmer will do is carry on with Rishi's plan to

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1/2 a million of the poorest to do approx 10 hours a month or so more. Yeah that'll solve everything.

Farage will be the same one way or another. If you want him to be the king maker, carry right on as you were for another 5 years.

 

[pinnit2014]

We should probably have a thread of: How well are Labour doing from here on in; just for balance The Tories have gone, though i'm sure the 'just playing with the hand we've been dealt' will cut it for another year.

Lot of talks about giving democracy back to local communities: central govt policies have been imposed on local authorities to reduce such etc. Nice to hear them talking about reversing that but as mentioned, just words for the time being.

As Goatwack says: you have on one hand: empowering local communities to decide their own fate and then in the same breath, streamlining planning decisions which means 'we will run roughshod over what local planning bodies decide (ie reverse decisions), so that doesn't bode well in the first instance.

There needs to be grown up debates about Green and Immigration but unfortunately both sides are incapable of such: the Right will say; Great Replacement!, the Left counter with: you want to see people die in the channel!, Until that can be pushed aside, it's just one big circular argument.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Just Stop Oil and all Extinction Rebellion branches are eco-terrorists and serial agitators that have endangered and continue to endanger thousands of people.

Of course they're not outright murderers, I've yet to see one un-glue themselves from the tarmac and proceed to beat the living daylights out of someone, or shank counter-protestors.

Yet their causing standstills by sitting in the middle of busy roads or motorways, blocking emergency services, causing businesses to flounder and simultaneously forcing petrol consumption surges in gridlock all but makes them indirectly culpable for likely dozens of deaths, at a conservative estimate.

All the while clutching their mobile phones, wearing trainers and holding up oil-based placards signalling their virtue!

.....and that's before we discover many of these people are affluent, jet-set around the globe and opt to leave their principles on Britain's roads by projecting their misery unto others.

They have blood on their hands and seemingly would repeat their performance at the first opportunity, where discourse, fine-imposition and even further arrest doesn't deter them, as they are of a hive-mind cult.

Most certainly in manslaughter territory, and certainly far removed from being merely a public nuisance. God knows the police have already bent over backwards enough for them as it is ("two sugars or one dear?") but they are simply terrorists, and that's all there is to it

More of these TERRORISTS have been sent to jail, justice is served. Britain is a safer place!

These are the longest prison sentences ever handed down for non-violent protests.

Their crime is 'conspiracy to commit a public nuisance'.

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[goatwack]

More of these TERRORISTS have been sent to jail, justice is served. Britain is a safer place!

These are the longest prison sentences ever handed down for non-violent protests.

Their crime is 'conspiracy to commit a public nuisance'.

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I know, read it earlier. Great news!

 

[ChopleyIOM]

I know, read it earlier. Great news!

Yes living in constant fear of people peacefully protesting is the stuff of nightmares, and the correct response in a modern democratic society is to send those peaceful protesters to prison for many years.

 

[goatwack]

Yes living in constant fear of people peacefully protesting is the stuff of nightmares, and the correct response in a modern democratic society is to send those peaceful protesters to prison for many years.

As is preventing people from getting to hospitals, dying en route to life-saving care, blocking fire crews, causing an estimated 50,000 hours' worth of traffic congestion to pollute the atmosphere further and causing £700K's worth of financial damage!

Maybe they could have a whip-round to pay it back?

Any form of reasonable discourse with them fell on deaf ears, as they spouted their dead-eyed script to anyone willing to engage with them.....including of course many a frustrated motorist, pregnant women, people just wanting to get on with their day. But yes, woe is them!

Don't worry, I'm sure under Labour they'll be out in a week

 

[pinnit2014]

it's ok, insularity in the Isle of Man, brings with it a certain degree of. an out of body experience.

I mean, lets not let anyone who who has a legitimate gripe, get in the way of platitudes

2025: Chopley goes apeshite when a detention centre is planted in their backyard

 

[amandajm]

tbh you can't bang a man up for 5 for protesting against stopping the

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too late.

If man made armageddon is real, then live like the Amish it is. If not, we can fly around as much as climate tsar

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right?

 

[ritae]

Big problems in Leeds tonight. Watching live streams on X, kids throwing rocks at police cars, a bloke trying to set fire to a bus.

The saddest part... watching the police get in their vans and drive away. Why are the police scared these days? New government, same problems. Sigh.

 

[itsme123]

More of these TERRORISTS have been sent to jail, justice is served. Britain is a safer place!

These are the longest prison sentences ever handed down for non-violent protests.

Their crime is 'conspiracy to commit a public nuisance'.

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They deserve every minute of it. Disrupting people’s lives , stopping ambulances getting to critical patients, stopping normal working people getting to their jobs and all because they don’t believe in the democratic way.
Put themselves up for election and see where they get to but no they’d rather try and bring the country to a standstill.
But sure that’s ok as long as you aren’t affected in the IOM.

 

[mack341]

The extra irony of Chopper's support for stop oil, is he's a self-confessed, long-term petrol head

Although stop oil might have approved when he went to work on his old motor (Peugeot, chop ?) with avengeance.

 

[mcgameboy]

More of these TERRORISTS have been sent to jail, justice is served. Britain is a safer place!

These are the longest prison sentences ever handed down for non-violent protests.

Their crime is 'conspiracy to commit a public nuisance'.

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If you play stupid games, then be fully prepared to win stupid prizes. Slap it up them.

About time some of these fanatical virtue signalling morons were taught the valuable lesson of what it means when unnecessarily disruptive actions end with the deliverance of harsh consequences.

If they had gone about things differently, then they might* have actually won hearts and minds.
AND kept their liberty.

* Actually, there is no MIGHT about it. They would have got some folks on board.

But no, they chose the fanatical option instead. Because fanaticism always ends well, doesn't it?

And in doing so, they not only failed to win hearts and minds, they also succeeded in pissing a hell of a lot of people off, including even those who were NOT AFFECTED by one of their pathetic stunts.

And here's the other thing. Even if they were to now change to a more moderate and less disruptive tack,
it will have come far too late.
They have pissed too many people off to such a degree, that they are now seen as nothing more than a group of jumped up annoying twats.
With a "cause" * that nobody wants to get behind.

* Actually, it's not the cause that is unworthy of support, it's the annoying feckers championing said cause and their methods that are unworthy.

Bravo JSO, you played it like a blinder. A strategic masterclass if ever I saw one. Enjoy your prison food, dickwads!

COMMUPANCE. SERVED. COLD.

THE. FUCKING. END.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

My point is if you're going to be in the 'send everyone to jail' mindset, even for non-violent (albeit disruptive) protests, then you're going to have to build the jails to cope with that, something that the Tories signally failed to do over their fourteen years in power. (Labour used PFI which is a whole other can of worms, but at least it got them built.)

Sure we can have the debate about whether or not the Just Stop Oil folks belong in jail, or if other sentencing options would be more proportionate and/or appropriate, but when the jails are literally full, clearly something in the justice system isn't working properly.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

The extra irony of Chopper's support for stop oil, is he's a self-confessed, long-term petrol head

Although stop oil might have approved when he went to work on his old motor (Peugeot, chop ?) with avengeance.

I switched to a hybrid a few months ago, I'm saving the planet, man.

The car that met an unfortunate end when it got on the wrong end of me after a booze and gambling bender was a Vauxhall Cavalier, not a Peugeot.

That'll buff out, bit of T-Cut.

 

[itsme123]

My point is if you're going to be in the 'send everyone to jail' mindset, even for non-violent (albeit disruptive) protests, then you're going to have to build the jails to cope with that, something that the Tories signally failed to do over their fourteen years in power. (Labour used PFI which is a whole other can of worms, but at least it got them built.)

Sure we can have the debate about whether or not the Just Stop Oil folks belong in jail, or if other sentencing options would be more proportionate and/or appropriate, but when the jails are literally full, clearly something in the justice system isn't working properly.

The law was on the statutes when they committed the crime, hence they go to jail.
I hope they are careful and don’t drop the soap in the shower or they might get fucked over like they tried to fuck everyone else over.

 

[dunover]

The JSO protesters, clad in plastic shoes, using nylon ropes and polyester clothing (all derived from oil) were and are utter morons.

As usual, @ChopleyIOM fails to distinguish between peaceful protest and criminality. In this case criminality includes obstruction, attacks on national infrastructure and criminal damage. You don't, and never should, get a free pass for that behaviour or we get anarchy.

As Goaty says, 50,000 vehicles forced to have engines idling (where they are at their most inefficient and polluting), a huge cost to police budgets and local economy/businesses, individual self-employed and sole traders losing a day's money that may have been earmarked for their kids' school dinner money or heating bills. Then we have NHS or medical appointments missed (that the poor fuckers affected probably waited months to actually get!) plus of course emergency assistance from ambulances.

They got everything they deserved, you won't hear millions of the UK public feeling sorry for them, things are difficult enough for them without suffering the consequences of this self-indulgent stupidity. They were relying on a 'conscience' decision from a woke right-on urban jury and quite rightly the judge ensured they didn't get it and the outcome was based solely on the laws they had broken and no political mitigation - in other words a fair balanced outcome. Let's hope this deters the other lentils-and-dreadlock brigade members, radical students and middle-aged middle-class never-grown-up hippies with that carefully cultivated 'Hey aren't I a cool, exciting in-my-clique professional protester, girls?' persona.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

The JSO protesters, clad in plastic shoes, using nylon ropes and polyester clothing (all derived from oil) were and are utter morons.

As usual, @ChopleyIOM fails to distinguish between peaceful protest and criminality. In this case criminality includes obstruction, attacks on national infrastructure and criminal damage. You don't, and never should, get a free pass for that behaviour or we get anarchy.

As Goaty says, 50,000 vehicles forced to have engines idling (where they are at their most inefficient and polluting), a huge cost to police budgets and local economy/businesses, individual self-employed and sole traders losing a day's money that may have been earmarked for their kids' school dinner money or heating bills. Then we have NHS or medical appointments missed (that the poor fuckers affected probably waited months to actually get!) plus of course emergency assistance from ambulances.

They got everything they deserved, you won't hear millions of the UK public feeling sorry for them, things are difficult enough for them without suffering the consequences of this self-indulgent stupidity. They were relying on a 'conscience' decision from a woke right-on urban jury and quite rightly the judge ensured they didn't get it and the outcome was based solely on the laws they had broken and no political mitigation - in other words a fair balanced outcome. Let's hope this deters the other lentils-and-dreadlock brigade members, radical students and middle-aged middle-class never-grown-up hippies with that carefully cultivated 'Hey aren't I a cool, exciting in-my-clique professional protester, girls?' persona.

Yeah that's all fine but if you want this:

Then you're also going to have this.

Building new prisons is really expensive, keeping people in jail is really expensive, and the evidence is clear that harsh sentencing does not act as a deterrent. So you're basically advocating for something that (a) Doesn't work and (b) Costs fucking shitloads of taxpayer money.

You might personally feel that the JSO folks deserve to GET WHAT'S COMING TO THEM, but the reality is that it'll cost a bloody fortune and achieve nothing in terms of making the public safer, it's just vengeance, basically.

 

[dunover]

Yeah that's all fine but if you want this:

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Then you're also going to have this.

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Building new prisons is really expensive, keeping people in jail is really expensive, and the evidence is clear that harsh sentencing does not act as a deterrent. So you're basically advocating for something that (a) Doesn't work and (b) Costs fucking shitloads of taxpayer money.

You might personally feel that the JSO folks deserve to GET WHAT'S COMING TO THEM, but the reality is that it'll cost a bloody fortune and achieve nothing in terms of making the public safer, it's just vengeance, basically.

Of course it will FFS! It will deter and prevent other ass-clowns doing the same so the rights of the MAJORITY like me are protected, the right to travel without wilful obstruction, right to attend work, shop, go to hospital or dentist appointments and buy provisions delivered to shops on time. Y'know, the kind of everyday things normal people's lives depend on. Outside of ChopleyLand of course.

Typical left - self, self, self and screw everyone else.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Of course it will FFS! It will deter and prevent other ass-clowns doing the same so the rights of the MAJORITY like me are protected, the right to travel without wilful obstruction, right to attend work, shop, go to hospital or dentist appointments and buy provisions delivered to shops on time. Y'know, the kind of everyday things normal people's lives depend on. Outside of ChopleyLand of course.

Typical left - self, self, self and screw everyone else.

The specific five people who have been locked up can't do any more JSO capers whilst they're in jail, obviously. But the evidence on whether or not harsh sentencing will deter others from committing similar crimes is abundantly clear. It won't. (This isn't even remotely controversial, people like to think that they're wielding a trusty sword of justice in sending loads of people to jail, and for longer, but all they're really doing is feeling better about some revenge and hosing vast quantities of cash down the drain in the process.)

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I moved in some.... ahem.... shady circles in my younger years (some details are in the Gambling Low Ebbs videos), you know the one thing I never, ever thought about, or worried about, or had any impact whatsoever on my behaviour, or indeed anyone around me?

What would happen if I got caught.

Never even crossed my mind. Because guess what, if you're committing crimes, you're already in place where you're not thinking about consequences. Some of the shit I got up to would have put me in jail if I'd been caught. The potential sentence could have been one year, or five years, or a million years, wouldn't have made any difference.

I'm sure it hasn't escaped your attention that many countries around the world still have the death penalty, and they still have loads of crimes. If saying to folks, 'If you get caught we're going to kill you' isn't doing the trick, where do think sending JSO protesters to jail for five years is going to land on the deterrence effectiveness scale?

 

[goatwack]

Speaking of unjust prison terms dished out en masse and needlessly filling up jails, here's a small example of the now-defunct 'Imprisonment for Public Protection' law, that saw people hauled off for years, many of which are still inside now.

A woman jailed for 16 years after breaking a plant pot and ripping up a blank betting slip under a now abolished law his hit out at her 'cruel, degrading and severely mentally damaging' sentence

Ronnie pleaded guilty to one count of robbery but because she already had a youth criminal record judges at Newcastle Crown Court handed down a six-year sentence

The IPP meant she served her full sentence plus an additional 10 years which kept her behind bars until she was 38. She remains on an indefinite licence today

Who came up with this society-cleansing brain fart? Why, Labour of course!

Whilst it ran for seven years, filling up prisons like a flipped sand clock, many are still in the system, reaping the benefits of the powers-that-be that put them there in the first place, all but lost in a mire of bureaucracy.

Lest we forget the recent national coverage of Wayne Bell, still in prison 17 years after having stolen a bike, with his own family not knowing which prison he's in, nor inform him that his father had died of cancer.

So let's hear it for Labour, upholders of 'justice' and prime architects of prison overflow!

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Speaking of unjust prison terms dished out en masse and needlessly filling up jails, here's a small example of the now-defunct 'Imprisonment for Public Protection' law, that saw people hauled off for years, many of which are still inside now.

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A woman jailed for 16 years after breaking a plant pot and ripping up a blank betting slip under a now abolished law his hit out at her 'cruel, degrading and severely mentally damaging' sentence

Ronnie pleaded guilty to one count of robbery but because she already had a youth criminal record judges at Newcastle Crown Court handed down a six-year sentence

The IPP meant she served her full sentence plus an additional 10 years which kept her behind bars until she was 38. She remains on an indefinite licence today

Who came up with this society-cleansing brain fart? Why, Labour of course!

Whilst it ran for seven years, filling up prisons like a flipped sand clock, many are still in the system, reaping the benefits of the powers-that-be that put them there in the first place, all but lost in a mire of bureaucracy.

Lest we forget the recent national coverage of Wayne Bell, still in prison 17 years after having stolen a bike, with his own family not knowing which prison he's in, nor inform him that his father had died of cancer.

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So let's hear it for Labour, upholders of 'justice' and prime architects of prison overflow!

It was a terrible policy, Blunkett has since said he has 'deep regret' about ever introducing it, and accepts it was the wrong thing to do.

I always hated the 'Tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime' mantra, which leaned far too heavily into sending people to prison, often without any need to do so, and for far too long.

It's a historic injustice that I would very much like to see the current Labour government fix. (The Tories had fourteen years to do so, but, y'know, didn't.)

Labour at least built prisons to keep up with the growing population (albeit I think it was entirely the wrong approach), unlike the Tories who decided to just put their feet up on the issue for fourteen years and said, 'It'll probably be fine'.

There are fewer than 3000 prisoners still serving IPP sentences, out of a UK prison population of nearly 100,000 - so let's not get too carried away with regards to its impact on the current crisis.

It also relates to the fake narrative put forward by dunover above, in that IPP completely failed to have any kind of deterrent effect on crime.

 

[goatwack]

Cobra Meeting Alert! Cobra Meeting Alert!

Intending to lay down a leadership marker and air of authority, Cabinet ministers were found assuring the nation via their Cobra Meeting! that everything was under control.

Discussing the situation in Leeds and subsequent rioting, they went on to discu......

....no, wait up. They completely ignored that, my bad. Ooops!

First to be sorely disappointed was none other than Angela Rayner herself, believing it to be a Cobra beer event, with unconfirmed reports stating her sole contribution to the meeting was whether 'turning it off, then on' would alleviate the situation.

Also present was Zelensky, as having foreign leaders involved in matters of national security paramount, and prevalent in other countries!

Word on the street's that Charmer's already drawn up a £150 million package to hand to Microsoft, in aid to 'tackling the problem at the source'

Shhh, pretend to look like you know what you're doing - July 19, 2024

 

[ChopleyIOM]

I can't help but feel that the good people of Clacton, or indeed the UK, aren't getting great value for money.

Fingers crossed he at least gets his photo taken with Trump.

First up we have this bizarre meaningless waffle 'news report' with special guest star tragicomedy Prime Minister for 38 seconds Liz Truss.



And also, for an encore, wandering around not doing much and getting snarky.

He went for the job, and with that job comes some scrutiny, and an expectation that you'll actually sort of do it. Very old fashioned I know.

 

[thr0b]

The problem with cults, such as those that followed Boris Is A Legerrrrnd, Nigel's A Great Bloke, Trump, Magic Grandad, Momentummmm, all of them - the figureheads never stand up to the lightest of scrutiny.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

you won't hear millions of the UK public feeling sorry for them, things are difficult enough for them without suffering the consequences of this self-indulgent stupidity.

What dunover says ≠ Reality.

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[satchnz]

I can't help but feel that the good people of Clacton, or indeed the UK, aren't getting great value for money.

Fingers crossed he at least gets his photo taken with Trump.

First up we have this bizarre meaningless waffle 'news report' with special guest star tragicomedy Prime Minister for 38 seconds Liz Truss.



And also, for an encore, wandering around not doing much and getting snarky.

He went for the job, and with that job comes some scrutiny, and an expectation that you'll actually sort of do it. Very old fashioned I know.

The UK sure have sent their finest lol. The only one missing is Rees-Mogg.

Trump will have no time (read: use) for Farage, and I doubt he knows/remembers who Truss is. Boris, who knows…

Some forms of desperation are quite humorous.

 

[thr0b]

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[dunover]

The UK sure have sent their finest lol. The only one missing is Rees-Mogg.

Trump will have no time (read: use) for Farage, and I doubt he knows/remembers who Truss is. Boris, who knows…

Some forms of desperation are quite humorous.

Of course, if

What dunover says ≠ Reality.

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Wow. 945 people. Out of 70 million. And you have conveniently added 'slightly harsh' to the harsh and far too harsh side, whereas another person could justifiably not count that as meaning 'too harsh' thus totally contradicting your numbers. But nevermind, a bit of disingenuity and a self-definition of the word 'slight' to mean 'too' and you got your desired post. Alas, according to my survey, 74.5% of persons asked thought that slight didn't mean 'too' so your not-so-clever little bit of manipulation never went unnoticed lol...

 

[goatwack]

I'm not seeing how that data was skewed whatsoever either!

Nice 'overview'. We'll just dismiss subtlety and nuance. It's the commie way, brothers!

 

[goatwack]

Oh and incase anyone wishes to see the actual results, they were as follows:

Proportionate it is then!

 

[dunover]

I'm not seeing how that data was skewed whatsoever either!

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Nice 'overview'. We'll just dismiss subtlety and nuance. It's the commie way, brothers!

I dunno what sort of complex he has, but it certainly contains a big element of intellectual superiority over us planks whose IQ is printed on the soles of our shoes. When challenged and called out on his not-so subtle use of nuance and inference, he then goes from vaguely credible to irrational and then delusional. Like earlier with his blanket statement about prisons not working. Now correct me if I'm wrong, but a paedo getting 10 years to serve is not abusing kids for 10 years, so it's working i.e. achieving its primary purpose. To protect law-abiding taxpayers from the vermin. Same as those morons from JSO, who for a significant period will not be stopping anyone getting to work, appointments etc. So prison is working in this case too.

 

[itsme123]

What dunover says ≠ Reality.

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What Green Party wokeness area did they do the survey?
Everyone I’ve spoken to today in work , and there’s a broad spectrum here, has agreed they got what they deserved.
I hope they start the protests in the IOM and bring the island to a grinding halt then just maybe you will discover a brain cell that isn’t tainted by your love of anarchy.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Oh and incase anyone wishes to see the actual results, they were as follows:

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Proportionate it is then!

Oh no, you've uncovered my sinister subterfuge by, erm, clicking on the link I put in my post.

They've aggregated the results for the breakdown into three top level categories, whichever way you want to slice it, a majority of the respondents felt that the sentences were somewhere on the spectrum of 'harsh', be it a bit harsh, or very harsh, or just plain old vanilla harsh.

 

[goatwack]

Oh no, you've uncovered my sinister subterfuge by, erm, clicking on the link I put in my post.

They've aggregated the results for the breakdown into three top level categories, whichever way you want to slice it, a majority of the respondents felt that the sentences were somewhere on the spectrum of 'harsh', be it a bit harsh, or very harsh, or just plain old vanilla harsh.

Sure thing!

We could just as easily put 'Slightly Harsh' and 'Slightly Lenient' into 'Proportionate', going by your logic!

No, wait. It has 'harsh' on it, so we'll bung it into 'Too Harsh'. Magnifique!

 

[ChopleyIOM]

I dunno what sort of complex he has, but it certainly contains a big element of intellectual superiority over us planks whose IQ is printed on the soles of our shoes. When challenged and called out on his not-so subtle use of nuance and inference, he then goes from vaguely credible to irrational and then delusional. Like earlier with his blanket statement about prisons not working. Now correct me if I'm wrong, but a paedo getting 10 years to serve is not abusing kids for 10 years, so it's working i.e. achieving its primary purpose. To protect law-abiding taxpayers from the vermin. Same as those morons from JSO, who for a significant period will not be stopping anyone getting to work, appointments etc. So prison is working in this case too.

Let's have a delve into the long-lost archives of the previous page of this very thread, and it turns out it was in relation the the deterrent effect of long sentences in prison (there isn't one), whilst recognising that the specific people who are locked up (obviously) can't commit crimes whilst they're in prison.

Sure you can keep taking people out of circulation by locking more and more of them up, but then it comes down to what you're protecting everyone else from, and how much money you want to throw at doing that. Equating paedos with peaceful protesters is slightly histrionic.

As James Timpson, our new prisons minister says, a third of people in prison should be there, a third of them shouldn't, and a third of them are in a more difficult grey area.

If you sleep better at night knowing that the gantries of the M25 are safe from the terror of people climbing on them, then all to the good!

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Sure thing!

We could just as easily put 'Slightly Harsh' and 'Slightly Lenient' into 'Proportionate', going by your logic!

No, wait. It has 'harsh' on it, so we'll bung it into 'Too Harsh'. Magnifique!

Well no, because 'lenient' and 'harsh', with any modifiers you care to choose, don't mean the same as 'proportionate', which has a specific meaning all of its own.

 

[goatwack]

Well no, because 'lenient' and 'harsh', with any modifiers you care to choose, don't mean the same as 'proportionate', which has a specific meaning all of its own.

Neither does 'Slightly Harsh' belong in 'Too Harsh' either, but it's ok, it's all the same, right? Right?

The result clearly shows 'Proportionate' as the highest tally. Your feelings don't really come in to it I'm afraid

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Neither does 'Slightly Harsh' belong in 'Too Harsh' either, but it's ok, it's all the same, right? Right?

The result clearly shows 'Proportionate' as the highest tally. Your feelings don't really come in to it I'm afraid

Just lop the 'too' off the front of lenient and harsh, and this is how the survey breaks into three top level categories. You can't put 'proportionate' in with any of the others because it literally just means proportionate.

 

[goatwack]

Just lop 'the' too off the front of lenient and harsh, and this is how the survey breaks into three top level categories. You can't put 'proportionate' in with any of the others because it literally just means proportionate.

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You are aware that 'Slightly Harsh' is nowhere near 'Harsh' or 'Too Harsh'? There are differences, hence the different questions?

 

[lockinlove]

Of course, if

Wow. 945 people. Out of 70 million. And you have conveniently added 'slightly harsh' to the harsh and far too harsh side, whereas another person could justifiably not count that as meaning 'too harsh' thus totally contradicting your numbers. But nevermind, a bit of disingenuity and a self-definition of the word 'slight' to mean 'too' and you got your desired post. Alas, according to my survey, 74.5% of persons asked thought that slight didn't mean 'too' so your not-so-clever little bit of manipulation never went unnoticed lol...

LoL anyone who uses polls are delusional AT BEST. Usually these polls are given to a specific demographic and political view. Its usually what someone will use who has a weak argument and shitty view. ie: brainwashed weak democrat cucks. ie: beta male.

Is Chopley Harry BKK? Has the same shitty weak soy boy arguments.

 

[thr0b]

LoL anyone who uses polls are delusional AT BEST. Usually these polls are given to a specific demographic and political view. Its usually what someone will use who has a weak argument and shitty view. ie: brainwashed weak democrat cucks. ie: beta male.

Is Chopley Harry BKK? Has the same shitty weak soy boy arguments.

Hitting all the MAGA 4Chan talking points there. Jesus.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

You are aware that 'Slightly Harsh' is nowhere near 'Harsh' or 'Too Harsh'? There are differences, hence the different questions?

Yes but they all mean harsh to some degree, i.e. not proportionate, by definition.

I agree the wording on the summary could have been better, as 'too harsh' does imply something that isn't there in the more granular results. (Same as 'too lenient' really.)

Getting rid of the 'too' and leaving the base adjective does the job, and is correct.

 

[thr0b]

Yes but they all mean harsh to some degree, i.e. not proportionate, by definition.

I agree the wording on the summary could have been better, as 'too harsh' does imply something that isn't there in the more granular results. (Same as 'too lenient' really.)

Getting rid of the 'too' and leaving the base adjective does the job, and is correct.

And all of this semantics distracts from the actual point - people have gone to prison relatively quickly, for a very long time as punishment for inconveniencing people.

In the meantime, the prison system is so stuffed that they are almost at full capacity.

And people awaiting trial for rape, an actual crime with horrific consequences, are waiting two years or more to go on trial. For the victims - horrific. And if the defendant is not guilty - two years (or more) of life on hold. And mud sticks.

But sure, let’s bang the protestors up. That’ll learn ‘em.

(And I think the protestors are a pain in the arse who do more harm to their legitimate cause than good, simply by inconveniencing people who would likely be their allies.)

 

[lockinlove]

Hitting all the MAGA 4Chan talking points there. Jesus.

Oh ya good one. Anyone who calls you jokers out is all Maga.

I think most people are sick of you soy boys. Everyone has been busy working and living life, while you two jokers in here giving each other reach arounds and your types posting all over twitter, people havent really cared. Big mistake.

It will take years to undo the damage you sky yellers have done.

 

[goatwack]

And all of this semantics distracts from the actual point - people have gone to prison relatively quickly, for a very long time as punishment for inconveniencing people.

In the meantime, the prison system is so stuffed that they are almost at full capacity.

And people awaiting trial for rape, an actual crime with horrific consequences, are waiting two years or more to go on trial. For the victims - horrific. And if the defendant is not guilty - two years (or more) of life on hold. And mud sticks.

But sure, let’s bang the protestors up. That’ll learn ‘em.

(And I think the protestors are a pain in the arse who do more harm to their legitimate cause than good, simply by inconveniencing people who would likely be their allies.)

I suppose yes, re-routing because of bridge closures and being killed could be considered an inconvenience....much like the MET's spending £7.5 million to mollycoddle them, and the transport mayhem they've caused.

Or the inconvenience of missing your father's funeral!

Or the inconvenience of their 'non-violent' smashing up petrol stations in London!

And the classic 'blocking mother from taking sick baby to hospital'!

The examples are there, they are plentiful & most video-captured. They are anything but merely an inconvenience, as most people caught in their uncompromising standoff will attest to. Prisons being full or not has no bearing, nor absolve JSO's actions, which was to purposely cause disruption on a major scale.

'Peacefully' gluing yourself to a motorway is nothing if not creating life-threatening situations, for themselves too, when walking around Hyde Park with their placards would have garnered a better public response. no?

 

[itsme123]

And all of this semantics distracts from the actual point - people have gone to prison relatively quickly, for a very long time as punishment for inconveniencing people.

In the meantime, the prison system is so stuffed that they are almost at full capacity.

And people awaiting trial for rape, an actual crime with horrific consequences, are waiting two years or more to go on trial. For the victims - horrific. And if the defendant is not guilty - two years (or more) of life on hold. And mud sticks.

But sure, let’s bang the protestors up. That’ll learn ‘em.

(And I think the protestors are a pain in the arse who do more harm to their legitimate cause than good, simply by inconveniencing people who would likely be their allies.)

So obviously you wouldn’t mind if an ambulance on its way to someone you know was stopped in this and they suffered as a consequence?

 

[dunover]

LoL anyone who uses polls are delusional AT BEST. Usually these polls are given to a specific demographic and political view. Its usually what someone will use who has a weak argument and shitty view. ie: brainwashed weak democrat cucks. ie: beta male.

Is Chopley Harry BKK? Has the same shitty weak soy boy arguments.

Well, Chopperley in the GE campaign bombarded us almost daily with polls puting Labour at 39-43% IIRC, and every one of them turned out to be way off the mark, when in fact 34% was their final percentage of the voters. I thought he'd have learned from that.

 

[thr0b]

So obviously you wouldn’t mind if an ambulance on its way to someone you know was stopped in this and they suffered as a consequence?

That’s, er, quite the opposite of what I said.

 

[lockinlove]

Well, Chopperley in the GE campaign bombarded us almost daily with polls puting Labour at 39-43% IIRC, and every one of them turned out to be way off the mark, when in fact 34% was their final percentage of the voters. I thought he'd have learned from that.

They dont learn. These types bury their head in the sand and only come out to scream at the sky. Its the first sign of weak man syndrome. Double, tripling down even when you are wrong. Kind of like grasping at straws and thinking its a good argument because its 'data'. Or trying to insult them by calling them MAGA. I dont even think being MAGA is an insult. Maga is a bit weak because you are following another human and being a little too passionate but what it stands for..I dont think its bad.

It used to be bad when the media lied to everyone about the Russia garbage, the dossier, the so called racism and everything else. But now that most of the world knows it was all political/media lies I dont think using the MAGA crap really works anymore. If anything it tells everyone you are basically a moron when you try to reference it lol