General Election 2024 Thread

[ChopleyIOM]

Bloody hell! A new level of pseudo-intellectual arrogance from Chopley! Ignore my take, ignore my propaganda video and you will be 'ill-informed'!! The Labour win is going to your head pal. I'm sure letting violent offenders out if sentenced to under 4 years would've been a real vote winner.

As someone who doesn't even reside in the UK and never voted in the election, you certainly act like you have plenty of skin in the game.

I'm sure the country's leftists will sleep well knowing a non-resident shares their social conscience. Er...that is until the unmetered third world migration, social issues, crime wave and terrorism land on their doorstep. Which of course aids your divide and conquer ethos.

OK then how about 'less informed', if you don't watch the interview (it's an in-depth and probing interview, not propaganda, recorded months ago so well before the election) you're literally, by definition, less informed about James Timpson, and therefore our new Prisons Minister, than if you have watched it.

I have plenty of skin in the game when it comes to UK politics, the shit that happens over there matters over here, we've been hit by, for example, Brexit, it comes up regularly in terms of challenges for the IOM economy. Also basically all my family are in the UK, and I have many friends over there too, and I care what happens to them, so I care about UK politics.

(On the Brexit issue, for example, if you go to Manx Radio's site and search for 'Brexit', it's just an endless list of stories about shit that Brexit has fucked up. Our government can be far more honest about Brexit than you'll get from UK political parties (of any colour), and the truth is that Brexit has been, and continues to be, some fucked-up shit.)

As for the prisons, what are Labour to do? They've been in power less than a fortnight and one of the (many) travesties they've inherited is a prison system that is on the brink of failure, after 14 years of Tory fuck-ups and neglect. The Tories have released over 10K prisoners early on the quiet themselves, and there are suggestions that one of the reasons Sunak went early on the election was he knew this was going to totally blow up, so figured he may as well let it happen on Labour's watch.

The entire penal system needs overhauling, do we really need to be sending someone guilty of, for example, mortgage fraud to prison? Are our streets safer because we've locked up (at vast expense!) a bloke who was cooking the books on mortgages? Or would other sentencing options be more appropriate?

Moreover, overcrowded prisons can't perform the crucial task of rehabilitating and reforming prisoners, so half the time they come out more prolific criminals than when they went in, and quickly fall back into reoffending. If we're letting prisoners out after 40% or 50% of their sentences, they're still coming out, right? So we need a prison system, and a return to society, that gives them a decent shake at turning their lives around.

As it stands now it's a busted system that doesn't work, and it's literally about to break, this is what Labour have inherited after 14 years of Tory malpractice and now it's Labour's problem to fix. James Timpson is the best man for the job, Starmer has chosen well.

 

[itsme123]

Translates as its OK for Labour to let criminals out even earlier, its ok to let potential murderers roam on the street if you lean to the left, its ok to ignore sexually deviant tv presenters if you wear a red rosette, but if the Tories do it the are the worst fuckers ever to walk on earth.

 

[thr0b]

The Tories do it as a consequence of their own actions, Labour are doing it as an unavoidable inheritance of the former.

Prisons can’t be built overnight, same as hospitals. But over a decade of neglect means something has to give. And right now with prisons, that means they have to make room for the high risk offenders somehow.

And that’s without even getting to the HUGE backlogs in the court systems caused by the stories woefully underfunding HMCTS, meaning many trials for violent crimes are taking two years or more just to get to court.

And in civil cases - I can send an application for a simple order to the court today. It will take around three months for a response and order to be made. If a judge wants to query the request, I file my response and wait another couple of months for a decision. The system is underfunded and failing.

Nobody wants prisoners releasing, least of all a barrister like Starmer. But what’s the alternative when there’s no room left? Because, well, it doesn’t seem like there is one.

This was all foreseeable - it’s been reported on for years - but it the government did very little about it.

(Side note - the previous government decided to close lots of courts and to sell the buildings. Many of them remain unsold and totally empty and unused. They were and are still needed, but the government didn’t want to spend the money required to fix them up to modern standards. Nor replace them.)

 

[goatwack]

Mortgage fraud

The streets will be awash with the sound of mortgage swindlers, as people beckon their kids back inside

Typically seeing the least offensive extreme of any scenario and going from that.

Meanwhile, in reality, common sense dictates one looks at the worst-case scenario and works their way down.

Clearly we'll be seeing more of the infamous blame game from a party championing change, yet taking the path of least resistance, much like putting a stamp on prohibiting mobile phone use for under-16s, or revitalizing urban housing, when destroying the Green Belt will do!

There are still hundreds of places left in prisons, with these early release plans not due until September?

And yet, apparently, the country that has unlimited space for all and sundry can't accommodate relocating excess prisoners into other buildings under supervision, never mind convert existing structures into temporary detainment, until prisons are built?

But then finding a solution is simple, i.e don't send them to prison to begin with, straight from a PM who's staunchly anti-prison. Lazy, dangerous and incompetent governance, as people are told to hug a hoodie and violent criminals can do rehabilitation pottery classes. Bleeding hearts, much?

Still, we can assure those victims of abuse that some prisoners are out for falsifying cheques, so all's well in the world!

 

[mack341]

I wonder if bbc tv licence evaders will receive a bit of clemency

Woke boy Gary should get behind that campaign!

Generally speaking, I was of the impression you've got to go some to get a prison sentence these days anyway.

So it will be interesting once the tabloids start snouting around on some of the individuals who have been released.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

I wonder if bbc tv licence evaders will receive a bit of clemency

Woke boy Gary should get behind that campaign!

Generally speaking, I was of the impression you've got to go some to get a prison sentence these days anyway.

So it will be interesting once the tabloids start snouting around on some of the individuals who have been released.

Lest we forget that some Just Stop Oil protesters have been jailed for crimes as heinous as 'causing a public nuisance'.

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But yes some of the prisoners being released early will have committed more serious crimes, but as these are all people serving sentences of four years or less, we're talking about people who would have been eligible for release after 24 months, being eligible for release after 20 months instead. So if they're going to reoffend maybe they'll do it in September rather than December.

Maybe if the Tories had spent less time, effort and money on trying to send refugees to Rwanda at a million quid a pop (and eventually succeeding in sending no one there, apart from the chap they bribed with thousands of pounds), and more time sorting out a prisons crisis that EVERYONE IN THE KNOW HAS BEEN WARNING THEM ABOUT FOR YEARS, Labour wouldn't have this fucking awful mess to contend with.

And to goaty's comment above, the prisons are currently at 96.6% capacity, they can't get to 100% capacity as it's officially bust at that point, there needs to be at least a bit of flex in the system for it to work.

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[mack341]

Lest we forget that some Just Stop Oil protesters have been jailed for crimes as heinous as 'causing a public nuisance'.

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But yes some of the prisoners being released early will have committed more serious crimes, but as these are all people serving sentences of four years or less, we're talking about people who would have been eligible for release after 24 months, being eligible for release after 20 months instead. So if they're going to reoffend maybe they'll do it in September rather than December.

Maybe if the Tories had spent less time, effort and money on trying to send refugees to Rwanda at a million quid a pop (and eventually succeeding in sending no one there, apart from the chap they bribed with thousands of pounds), and more time sorting out a prisons crisis that EVERYONE IN THE KNOW HAS BEEN WARNING THEM ABOUT FOR YEARS, Labour wouldn't have this fucking awful mess to contend with.

And to goaty's comment above, the prisons are currently at 96.6% capacity, they can't get to 100% capacity as it's officially bust at that point, there needs to be at least a bit of flex in the system for it to work.

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So Chop when labour were the govt from 97 to 2010, did they lay good foundations in the prison system which the privileged, out of touch Tories then tore up?

Or did they just preside over pretty much the same system?

Now, because of all the extra crime from new arrivals over the last 20yrs, whether that be albanian pickpockets, jamaican yardies or polish burglars, we've hit capacity.

So now the liberal brains kick-in, I know we'll let some out early. (From already softened sentences compared to previous times afaik).

But it's alright, firms are fighting over who can hire these lags, so it'll all work out well to plan.

 

[goatwack]

Just Stop Oil and all Extinction Rebellion branches are eco-terrorists and serial agitators that have endangered and continue to endanger thousands of people.

Of course they're not outright murderers, I've yet to see one un-glue themselves from the tarmac and proceed to beat the living daylights out of someone, or shank counter-protestors.

Yet their causing standstills by sitting in the middle of busy roads or motorways, blocking emergency services, causing businesses to flounder and simultaneously forcing petrol consumption surges in gridlock all but makes them indirectly culpable for likely dozens of deaths, at a conservative estimate.

All the while clutching their mobile phones, wearing trainers and holding up oil-based placards signalling their virtue!

.....and that's before we discover many of these people are affluent, jet-set around the globe and opt to leave their principles on Britain's roads by projecting their misery unto others.

They have blood on their hands and seemingly would repeat their performance at the first opportunity, where discourse, fine-imposition and even further arrest doesn't deter them, as they are of a hive-mind cult.

Most certainly in manslaughter territory, and certainly far removed from being merely a public nuisance. God knows the police have already bent over backwards enough for them as it is ("two sugars or one dear?") but they are simply terrorists, and that's all there is to it

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Just Stop Oil and all Extinction Rebellion branches are eco-terrorists and serial agitators that have endangered and continue to endanger thousands of people.

Of course they're not outright murderers, I've yet to see one un-glue themselves from the tarmac and proceed to beat the living daylights out of someone, or shank counter-protestors.

Yet their causing standstills by sitting in the middle of busy roads or motorways, blocking emergency services, causing businesses to flounder and simultaneously forcing petrol consumption surges in gridlock all but makes them indirectly culpable for likely dozens of deaths, at a conservative estimate.

All the while clutching their mobile phones, wearing trainers and holding up oil-based placards signalling their virtue!

.....and that's before we discover many of these people are affluent, jet-set around the globe and opt to leave their principles on Britain's roads by projecting their misery unto others.

They have blood on their hands and seemingly would repeat their performance at the first opportunity, where discourse, fine-imposition and even further arrest doesn't deter them, as they are of a hive-mind cult.

Most certainly in manslaughter territory, and certainly far removed from being merely a public nuisance. God knows the police have already bent over backwards enough for them as it is ("two sugars or one dear?") but they are simply terrorists, and that's all there is to it

Well fortunately goaty you haven't yet been promoted to the rank of Judge 'Dredd' Goatwack so you don't get to decide what people get charged with and/or what they're guilty of.

The Just Stop Oil protesters were not charged with any terrorisms offences, or manslaughter (because, y'know, they totally didn't do that), and were found guilty of 'causing a public nuisance', and for that they were sent to jail.

So I'm afraid they're the sort of people who might be released from jail early, and thus will be free to strike great fear into the hearts of the populace by peacefully protesting about the greatest single threat that humanity currently faces, as we hurtle headlong towards bringing about our own extinction event. *


* I am now free from guilt on this matter as I recently switched to a hybrid car, saving the planet, a few extra MPG at a time

 

[goatwack]

It was a gathering of former PMs this weekend as the son of India's richest man flexed well into the night, showing that for all of Britain's 'colonialism' - the only nation to ever do so - India's caste system was well and truly alive in 2024!

Boris Johnson, resplendent in his regal tunic & life jacket combo, matched only by his elegant canoes:

Then something something Kardashians something John Cena

But for the real highlight:

War criminal Blair and his elegant wife, Barry Chuckle

Looks like we missed a good one there boys!

 

[dunover]

Well fortunately goaty you haven't yet been promoted to the rank of Judge 'Dredd' Goatwack so you don't get to decide what people get charged with and/or what they're guilty of.

The Just Stop Oil protesters were not charged with any terrorisms offences, or manslaughter (because, y'know, they totally didn't do that), and were found guilty of 'causing a public nuisance', and for that they were sent to jail.

So I'm afraid they're the sort of people who might be released from jail early, and thus will be free to strike great fear into the hearts of the populace by peacefully protesting about the greatest single threat that humanity currently faces, as we hurtle headlong towards bringing about our own extinction event. *


* I am now free from guilt on this matter as I recently switched to a hybrid car, saving the planet, a few extra MPG at a time

Which is world overpopulation. That is the root of most other problems.

 

[goatwack]

Well fortunately goaty you haven't yet been promoted to the rank of Judge 'Dredd' Goatwack so you don't get to decide what people get charged with and/or what they're guilty of.

The Just Stop Oil protesters were not charged with any terrorisms offences, or manslaughter (because, y'know, they totally didn't do that), and were found guilty of 'causing a public nuisance', and for that they were sent to jail.

So I'm afraid they're the sort of people who might be released from jail early, and thus will be free to strike great fear into the hearts of the populace by peacefully protesting about the greatest single threat that humanity currently faces, as we hurtle headlong towards bringing about our own extinction event. *


* I am now free from guilt on this matter as I recently switched to a hybrid car, saving the planet, a few extra MPG at a time

And yet, despite the fictional setting of Mega City One, the Judges and all its associated bombastically dystopian background, you can be sure the sentences were aligned with the Law and meted out accordingly!

......unlike Labour, who release criminals early

Time served should be commensurate with the sentence given, not based on ideological pick-me-ups

 

[amandajm]

1997 - 2024 (labour and tory): UK population increase 10m (15%). Without 15% extra infrastructure, jails, everything etc?

When you bring 10m in to wherever, they need to be self a sufficient community and then some, to help the host who, they tell us, "needs" migrants to improve things.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Turns out Farage can accommodate working for GB News after all, three days a week alongside the full time job of being the MP for Clacton for which he's already getting paid £87K per year.

Still despite the fact that three days out of the week are now committed to his TV show, I'm sure the good people of Clacton will get the full representation and attention they'd expect from their MP.

 

[mack341]

This might interest Chopley, in the newspaper yesterday it was reported the EU have sent France a warning letter that they must spend 15billion less in their fiscal budget or face fines (Which seems a bit counter productive or illogical).

The same EU that struggles to have its books properly audited ...the chickens will come home to roost if they carry on with their billy big boots act.

The angle reported in the paper re this prison release, was if they don't do it there will be a crime wave as the police station jails are full.

But then both of the last govts did close an awful lot of police stations, so more reap what you sow.

 

[mack341]

Turns out Farage can accommodate working for GB News after all, three days a week alongside the full time job of being the MP for Clacton for which he's already getting paid £87K per year.

Still despite the fact that three days out of the week are now committed to his TV show, I'm sure the good people of Clacton will get the full representation and attention they'd expect from their MP.

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Would it not be 3 evenings a week, doubt he'd need to be there all day; most MPs, at the very same time, will be in the hoc subsidised bars and restaurants.

This gives him a way of remaining connected to the broader public, promoting his growing reform party and personal viewpoints.

He clearly enjoys doing it, as he did with his previous lbc radio gig, the camaraderie and talking directly with the public.

 

[dunover]

Would it not be 3 evenings a week, doubt he'd need to be there all day; most MPs, at the very same time, will be in the hoc subsidised bars and restaurants.

This gives him a way of remaining connected to the broader public, promoting his growing reform party and personal viewpoints.

He clearly enjoys doing it, as he did with his previous lbc radio gig, the camaraderie and talking directly with the public.

In Chopley's eyes 3x 1-hour shows a week renders him unable to attend debates etc. Now seeing as GB News is 20 minutes or less from Westminster by tube and the show is in the evening, I am sure Farage can do both.

@ChopleyIOM , you do shoot yourself in the foot (and head!) sometimes with your ill-considered drivel:

"Labour's top second jobs earner David Lammy has conceded if MPs are banned from having outside earnings "I will have to live with that".

The shadow foreign secretary has come under scrutiny this year after Sky News' Westminster Accounts project revealed he tops his party's list with additional earnings of £243,800 since this parliament started in 2019.

He is in the top 15% of earners of all MPs, and has the highest number of second jobs, with £99,300 coming from his regular radio show on LBC and the rest coming from speaking engagements, books and consultancy work."

Him and another 41 Labour MPs.......

 

[ChopleyIOM]

I don't think any MPs should have substantive second jobs, whatever political party they belong to. Lammy included. Starmer has said previously that with a few exceptions, he's of the same opinion, so let's see if he does anything about it.

Looking at the chart from last year, there's a very clear pattern as to who was at it the most....

Farage won't just be spending one hour per day on his TV show days though, there's a lot of before and after involved, so that'll be a chunk of his day gone, three days per week.

I'm not even remotely defending Lammy earning so much money outside of his job as an MP, I don't think it should be a thing and I hope Starmer puts a stop it.

 

[ollygarch]

I don't think we will need to wait until the end of August before a surge in crime. Caught a group of teens yesreday setting fire to dry grass in the local park. Schools are out any day now. Then tonight it's the Euro 2024 final. All those fans are unfortunately going to be coming back drunk either celebrating/sulking depending on the result.

I agree that at the heart of the UK and World problems is overpopulation. However we might go for a short term solution on immigration. How about encouraging emigration? Give the 50+ demographic an incentive to head off to Benidorm. For £1m bonus I might well join them.

 

[dunover]

I don't think we will need to wait until the end of August before a surge in crime. Caught a group of teens yesreday setting fire to dry grass in the local park. Schools are out any day now. Then tonight it's the Euro 2024 final. All those fans are unfortunately going to be coming back drunk either celebrating/sulking depending on the result.

I agree that at the heart of the UK and World problems is overpopulation. However we might go for a short term solution on immigration. How about encouraging emigration? Give the 50+ demographic an incentive to head off to Benidorm. For £1m bonus I might well join them.

Bloody hell! You mean there's somewhere in the UK this summer where the grass is dry enough to catch fire? Not saturated?

 

[ChopleyIOM]

I wonder what's most important to deal old Nigel. Is it his moonlighting gig at GB News? Or maybe it's trying to get down to work in his constituency of Clacton - both of which are jobs he gets very well paid for here in the UK. After all, there'll be constituents with MP's casework in progress that Nigel will want to get on top of since he's their MP now.

Ahhh no wait, he's pissing off to America to 'support' Donald Trump, who I'm sure (a) Really needs it because America is a small, weak country that can't do anything for itself and (b) Cares even one little bit what Farage does or doesn't do.

Just a reminder by the way:

 

[thr0b]

He’s had to go to America to continue his boycott of the BBC…oh, wait; he was on Kuennsberg’s show this morning. Arf.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

He’s had to go to America to continue his boycott of the BBC…oh, wait; he was on Kuennsberg’s show this morning. Arf.

That's one of the many things I admire about Nigel, his unshakable principles.

 

[DreamRJ]

That's one of the many things I admire about Nigel, his unshakable principles.

How can you admire anything about that man?

 

[ChopleyIOM]

How can you admire anything about that man?

I don't, I was taking the piss out of yet another of his blatant grifts

Farage has literally been in the job of MP for a week and he's already pissed off on holiday to America to 'support' an ex-President of the United States

 

[goatwack]

Just imagine the horror:

One person who's despised goes to support an equally despised friend of his, who just happened to be almost murdered in cold blood.

Farage is just beyond reproach at this point, my goodness!

 

[ollygarch]

Bloody hell! You mean there's somewhere in the UK this summer where the grass is dry enough to catch fire? Not saturated?

Yes indeed. Although to be truthful not much caught fire, so it probably only looked dry. But arsonists need to hurry, today's forecast is heavy rain all day.

 

[mack341]

Yes whatever is Nigel thinking, spending time with probably the next president of the US, building on their friendship.

Having influence and the ear of the president of the most powerful country on earth is just not worth it. Won't help Clacton

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Yes whatever is Nigel thinking, spending time with probably the next president of the US, building on their friendship.

Having influence and the ear of the president of the most powerful country on earth is just not worth it. Won't help Clacton

How close do you think Farage is actually going to get to Trump? Maybe he'll get a photo-op with him, maybe he won't. Either way it makes bugger all difference to anything, and doesn't change the fact that Farage has gone swanning off to America on what is basically a jolly, instead of getting down to work as an MP in his constituency.

Lest we forget he originally said he wasn't even going to run in the UK election as there was a 'far more important' (his words) election going on in the States. Clearly he decided he'd rather have his cake and eat it!

Let's see how things pan out over the course of the next parliament, I have a suspicion that 'man of the people' Farage will turn out to want to have very little to do with them.

 

[dunover]

How close do you think Farage is actually going to get to Trump? Maybe he'll get a photo-op with him, maybe he won't. Either way it makes bugger all difference to anything, and doesn't change the fact that Farage has gone swanning off to America on what is basically a jolly, instead of getting down to work as an MP in his constituency.

Lest we forget he originally said he wasn't even going to run in the UK election as there was a 'far more important' (his words) election going on in the States. Clearly he decided he'd rather have his cake and eat it!

Let's see how things pan out over the course of the next parliament, I have a suspicion that 'man of the people' Farage will turn out to want to have very little to do with them.

He's trying to persuade Trump it's better to get milkshakes lobbed at you instead of hot lead.

 

[goatwack]

Meanwhile, talking of 14 years of apathy and absenteeism, here we have Armley, Leeds, which has been under the watchful eye of none other than Rachel Reeves, an area so run-down and neglected that it's essentially become a no-go zone.

Ted Hirst, 72, retired Royal Mail postman and former Chieftain driver with the Royal Tank Regiment, said: 'This place used to be lovely. Now it is a s**t hole.

'We were amazed when Rachel Reeves became Chancellor. She has changed nothing around here while she was our MP so I don't know how she is going to rebuild the national economy.
I can't believe Rachel Reeves is chancellor when she cannot even rebuild her own constituency. It is not a community any more. It is a no go area at night.
Rachel Reeves has been MP here for 14 years and she has not done much. This is the second worst area of Leeds now and it needs sorting out.'

Again, further hypocrisy and select outrage. Quelle surprise!

I'm sure Clackton-on-Sea will cope with Farage not representing them for a few days, and will have to sit impatiently on how to deal with the upsurge in littering. Farage - Reeeeeeeeeee

Rachel Reeves' constituency of Leeds West, 2024

 

[ChopleyIOM]

 

[thr0b]

Meanwhile, talking of 14 years of apathy and absenteeism, here we have Armley, Leeds, which has been under the watchful eye of none other than Rachel Reeves, an area so run-down and neglected that it's essentially become a no-go zone.

Ted Hirst, 72, retired Royal Mail postman and former Chieftain driver with the Royal Tank Regiment, said: 'This place used to be lovely. Now it is a s**t hole.

'We were amazed when Rachel Reeves became Chancellor. She has changed nothing around here while she was our MP so I don't know how she is going to rebuild the national economy.
I can't believe Rachel Reeves is chancellor when she cannot even rebuild her own constituency. It is not a community any more. It is a no go area at night.
Rachel Reeves has been MP here for 14 years and she has not done much. This is the second worst area of Leeds now and it needs sorting out.'

Again, further hypocrisy and select outrage. Quelle surprise!

I'm sure Clackton-on-Sea will cope with Farage not representing them for a few days, and will have to sit impatiently on how to deal with the upsurge in littering. Farage - Reeeeeeeeeee

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Rachel Reeves' constituency of Leeds West, 2024

Certainly won’t have helped that the Tories were blatantly funding wealthier constituencies that had Tory MPs to the detriment of other areas. They’re on record as doing this.

You can only fix up with what you’ve got.

Most areas have “no go” areas these days.thats what decades of under-investment will do.

 

[mack341]

Not many no-go areas on the iom, except perhaps Chopley's man cave basement when Nigel pops up on screen

 

[dunover]

Not many no-go areas on the iom, except perhaps Chopley's man cave basement when Nigel pops up on screen

Until the likes of Chopley get their way with 'migration led growth' and the coastal, bucolic idyll turns into a hellhole with no-go areas, crime, collapsing services, overcrowding and division. Which the left thrive on, re. the intimidation and bullying in some electoral seats in the GE here.

 

[DreamRJ]

Bit of topic thoughts I have had for many years now.

I really think they should legalise cannabis for the positive benefits it will have for so many people and not just for the medical benefits for the sick and elderly but also for the money that the government could make from legalising it.

It is estimated that if they legalised cannabis the government could bring in between 1-4bil per year which could be used to fix a lot of the broken shit in this country that the scum bag conservatives ruined. The main ones currently is NHS and Prisons then roads, schools, housing and then all the others.

This would help Labour speed up the main goal of Labours new manifesto "growing the economy" It would create around 100,000 jobs throughout the UK thus increasing and growing the economy then the money earned can be pumped into the broken shit.

Maybe a petition is needed again. Not sure when the last one was created though not searched or checked.

 

[ollygarch]

Bit of topic thoughts I have had for many years now.

I really think they should legalise cannabis for the positive benefits it will have for so many people and not just for the medical benefits for the sick and elderly but also for the money that the government could make from legalising it.

It is estimated that if they legalised cannabis the government could bring in between 1-4bil per year which could be used to fix a lot of the broken shit in this country that the scum bag conservatives ruined. The main ones currently is NHS and Prisons then roads, schools, housing and then all the others.

This would help Labour speed up the main goal of Labours new manifesto "growing the economy" It would create around 100,000 jobs throughout the UK thus increasing and growing the economy then the money earned can be pumped into the broken shit.

Maybe a petition is needed again. Not sure when the last one was created though not searched or checked.

I don't think this is off topic at all. Now that the election is over we can all speculate and make suggestions on what Labour might/should do. How could they sell such a policy though? Money in the coffers is quite good, but I would go for the nuclear option and claim it is good for the environment. State run farms to replace all those methane producing cows and grow the new wonder crop CANNABIS. Does it have pretty yellow flowers like oil seed rape?

 

[dunover]

I don't think this is off topic at all. Now that the election is over we can all speculate and make suggestions on what Labour might/should do. How could they sell such a policy though? Money in the coffers is quite good, but I would go for the nuclear option and claim it is good for the environment. State run farms to replace all those methane producing cows and grow the new wonder crop CANNABIS. Does it have pretty yellow flowers like oil seed rape?

Yes, we could get all the impoverished children in deprived areas stoned most of the day. Would lead to less depression-led mental health issues, less desire for junk food, better behaviour in schools.

 

[dunover]

I see the Irish are looking forward to their dose of state-enforced multiculturalism:

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"Dublin city councillor Mícheál Mac Donncha described the incident as "deplorable" and that "violence, intimidation and arson should have no place in our communities".

(Unless is comes from the arrivals, in which case we'll make excuses for it.)

"The burning of vehicles and attempted burning of the building are violent criminal acts and must be strongly condemned," the Sinn Féin representative said.

(Nothing compared to what you've got coming - and your people know it...)

So it turns out the party representing the ambitions for a united Ireland is actively seeking to destroy it first.

 

[thr0b]

I see the Irish are looking forward to their dose of state-enforced multiculturalism:

Doesn’t matter the country, every country has its racists and xenophobes. Thankfully, they’re a shrinking minorities. Sadly, they’re pretty damned vocal.

 

[pinnit2014]

Always elicits a chuckle when i hear someone from Sinn Fein condemn violence: hell, that's what got you here

 

[ChopleyIOM]

So looks like there is more to the prisons story, Sunak was given a clear warning on May 15th that he was at risk of breaching his legal responsibilities over the impending crisis and his inability/unwillingness to take action. One week later he called the election.

There were even emergency Cobra meetings as Britain's entire system of justice was liable to become 'untenable'.

One to remember if the Tories ever try to claim to be the 'party of law and order' again.

Excellent reporting from Pippa Crerar.

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[DreamRJ]

So looks like there is more to the prisons story, Sunak was given a clear warning on May 15th that he was at risk of breaching his legal responsibilities over the impending crisis and his inability/unwillingness to take action. One week later he called the election.

There were even emergency Cobra meetings as Britain's entire system of justice was liable to become 'untenable'.

One to remember if the Tories ever try to claim to be the 'party of law and order' again.

Excellent reporting from Pippa Crerar.

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Yeah it sounds to me that was one of the main reasons he called the election, he knew he would lose and knew that he did not want to tackle the problem and wanted Labour to fix it or take the blame. But everyone is not fucking stupid, everyone knows it is the tories who is to blame for the failures in the prison and court system.

It is not just the prison crisis though is it. A lot of departments are broken all thanks to the scumbags.

It is going to take Labour years to fix most of these problems.

 

[pinnit2014]

One of the problems with Prisons is that they aren't election winners - i think under the Tories there have been something like 200 Ministers in charge of it. Trying selling: we will give prisoners extra space in your manifesto but we back the Tories in the 2 child benefit cap and see how many votes it gets u - harsh but that's the reality - until you tell people, we need to release people and hey presto even 30p Anderson is interested .

 

[pinnit2014]

They have five MPs, two of whom are technically his boss. So his job as Chief Whip is basically to keep himself in line, and two other people

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Hey look children, your Dad is now CHIEF ADMIRAL of the holiday!

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He was competing with Jim Allister for the job apparently so give Lee some credit

 

[ChopleyIOM]

One of the problems with Prisons is that they aren't election winners - i think under the Tories there have been something like 200 Ministers in charge of it. Trying selling: we will give prisoners extra space in your manifesto but we back the Tories in the 2 child benefit cap and see how many votes it gets u - harsh but that's the reality - until you tell people, we need to release people and hey presto even 30p Anderson is interested .

All the more reason for Labour to just get on with it behind the scenes and not make a big song and dance about it. It's expensive and as you say it's not a vote winner to make sure that prisons are decent places, properly staffed, that achieve good results on reform and rehabilitation. Society (i.e. everyone) reaps the benefits, and that's the main thing. Also it's just the right thing to do from a decency perspective.

 

[ollygarch]

More prison guards, more teachers, doctors, nurses, carers, builders. Fewer immigrants. I don't think it is just the finances that don't stack up.

 

[amandajm]

15% rise in population due to mass immigration since Labour Blair, Brown and Tory Cameron, May, Johnson etc hasn't stacked up either. Quite the opposite apparently.

If you talk about it, you're a racist fascist nazi ham fisted keyboard clubber knuckle dragging bad dood.

# Until the societal problems, like folk living longer, can be addressed without partisan bickering, plus address "western" rapacious foreign policy, we've got bob hope.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

America is saved! Farage is in Milwaukee for the RNC, when asked about the fact he'd said that he'd dropped the US politics stuff to focus on his Clacton constituency he gets a bit tetchy.

Hopefully he'll at least get his photo taken with Trump and that'll make it all worthwhile.

Although considering that Trump's running mate for Vice President has declared the UK to be the 'first Islamist state with the nuclear bomb' I'm not sure how far he'll get.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

So good to see a grown-up back in the driving seat.

I'm reminded of that scene in Aliens when the initial incursion into the alien infested base absolutely goes to shit and all the marines start getting massacred, and Lieutenant Gorman (aka The Tories), who fucked it all up in the first place, has no idea what to do to make the situation better. Ripley (Labour), finally just shoves him out of the way, grabs the controls of the vehicle and says 'You had your chance'.

Yeah fine Starmer isn't some great inspiring orator, he doesn't exude charisma, but the words here are very important.