General Election 2019 thread

[mack341]

He's probably been advised not to apologise as that implies guilt or responsibility for the cock-up, and he probably intends to cut adrift williamson if the flack gets too much. It sounds to me like ofqual and the civil servants in control of education should be in the firing line, perhaps williamson bowed down to their 'expertise' and 'wisdom' when other people were warning there were going to be problems.

I haven't got a problem with Boris having a little nature based holiday in the uk, if he was jetsetting around or cruising on a donor paid yacht like blair it would bother me more. We need a leader in touch with reality, so getting out and about is not a bad idea; however so far his and the govt's handling of covid hasn't impressed me. For their input I'd score them 4/10.

I noted barnier is in the headlines today warning of no progress in discussions and the likeliness of no deal, it's just another ploy to pressure the uk govt via the media to make concessions. The eu will have to bite the bullet soon, and tell all their member states that tariffs are coming in because they [the EU] wouldn't concede on issues of uk sovereignty, i.e. they do not aknowledge or recognise national sovereignty, it has no place in their long term EU federal plan.

 

[Mr_Slot5]

He's probably been advised not to apologise as that implies guilt or responsibility for the cock-up, and he probably intends to cut adrift williamson if the flack gets too much. It sounds to me like ofqual and the civil servants in control of education should be in the firing line, perhaps williamson bowed down to their 'expertise' and 'wisdom' when other people were warning there were going to be problems.

I haven't got a problem with Boris having a little nature based holiday in the uk, if he was jetsetting around or cruising on a donor paid yacht like blair it would bother me more. We need a leader in touch with reality, so getting out and about is not a bad idea; however so far his and the govt's handling of covid hasn't impressed me. For their input I'd score them 4/10.

I noted barnier is in the headlines today warning of no progress in discussions and the likeliness of no deal, it's just another ploy to pressure the uk govt via the media to make concessions. The eu will have to bite the bullet soon, and tell all their member states that tariffs are coming in because they [the EU] wouldn't concede on issues of uk sovereignty, i.e. they do not aknowledge or recognise national sovereignty, it has no place in their long term EU federal plan.

Couldn't agree more. I notice a few people on other forums have picked up the role of the civil service in this fiasco. Seems to have gone over most people's heads.

Secondly, you're correct, absolutely nothing wrong with a short break away in the UK. FFS the man has just recently had a baby and almost died from coronavirus.

As I said, someone influential with an agenda is almost certainly driving the Mail hatchet job IMO. I doubt middle England will be swayed because it's so obvious!

We've seen a complete and utter shit throwing jobby towards this government from the media...and it intensified once Boris got his big majority and looked to get Brexit moving. There are powers out there that are shit scared by the idea of Brexit and it's showing. If people like Chopley think that's out of altruistic concern for the mere pleb then there is no hope!

 

[mack341]

Apparently the mail editor is very pro-remain so it could be part of a broad strategy to pressurise Boris, making concessions to the EU more likely. I hope we don't make big concessions, but with a heavily remainer civil service still sat there, I wouldn't be surprised if it happened at the 11th hour just to get a scraped together deal.

The EU must be finding the negotiations a bit confusing so far compared to the previous ones with theresa may, where they got everything they wanted served on a silver platter.

edit: also regarding remainers, I think some genuinely feel the EU works like a protective factor for the less fortunate in uk society, and will help oppose any evil thatcherites dictating the tory party and uk govt policy.

Other things on top of that as well, but that would be one of the core beliefs of some strong remainers, I think they're wrong but I can see how they might think it was true and arrive at that conclusion, and sadly it is just like some labourites who still admire tony blair and believe he is a sterling man of high principle.

 

[Mr_Slot5]

Apparently the mail editor is very pro-remain so it could be part of a broad strategy to pressurise Boris, making concessions to the EU more likely. I hope we don't make big concessions, but with a heavily remainer civil service still sat there, I wouldn't be surprised if it happened at the 11th hour just to get a scraped together deal.

The EU must be finding the negotiations a bit confusing so far compared to the previous ones with theresa may, where they got everything they wanted served on a silver platter.

edit: also regarding remainers, I think some genuinely feel the EU works like a protective factor for the less fortunate in uk society, and will help oppose any evil thatcherites dictating the tory party and uk govt policy.

Other things on top of that as well, but that would be one of the beliefs of some strong remainers, I think they're wrong but I can see how they might think it was true and arrive at that conclusion, and sadly it is just like some labourites who still admire tony blair and believe he is a sterling man of high principle.

Oh, yep that completely escaped my mind. He is very pro remain. So where the Mail might have cut May some slack, the knives have come out for Boris.

Makes you wonder why so many of these wealthy elite are so pro remain...hmmmmm...

 

[ChopleyIOM]

The Tories have lost a 26 percent lead in the opinion polls since March.

Now I have to be honest, I find myself thinking 'Who are the 40% of people who can look at this utter shambles of a government and think, 'Yep, I'd definitely vote for more of that tomorrow!' - however it is significant and clearly demonstrates how people are starting to realise that there's a lazy clown at the helm and a cabinet of incompetent nodding dogs underneath him. (Rishi Sunak excepted.)

(Or blame the evil media, if you prefer.)

 

[dunover]

The Tories have lost a 26 percent lead in the opinion polls since March.

Now I have to be honest, I find myself thinking 'Who are the 40% of people who can look at this utter shambles of a government and think, 'Yep, I'd definitely vote for more of that tomorrow!' - however it is significant and clearly demonstrates how people are starting to realise that there's a lazy clown at the helm and a cabinet of incompetent nodding dogs underneath him. (Rishi Sunak excepted.)

(Or blame the evil media, if you prefer.)

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Great and inspirational source of info is that....

"Nearly half of voters, 4%, disapprove......."

The 6-year old that made this up needs some maths lesson LMFAO

 

[ChopleyIOM]

It's a typo, clearly. Doesn't change the results of the poll.

 

[dunover]

It's a typo, clearly. Doesn't change the results of the poll.

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And considering there's over 4 years until the next election, the relevance is.....?

 

[mack341]

my post #501 needs updating, looks like it was williamson who was to blame for the exam debacle and not Ofqual

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Ofqual chair tells MPs the 'mutant algorithm' was MINISTER'S idea and the regulator advised NOT to cancel exams.

Roger Taylor told the Education Select Committee that earlier this year the regulator had made clear to Mr Williamson that it believed the best way forward was for exams to go ahead 'in a socially distanced manner'.

It was the Secretary of State who then subsequently took the decision and announced without further consultation with Ofqual that exams were to be cancelled and a system of calculated grades would be implemented.'

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oh dear I'm starting to strongly dislike this govt, no way are boris and the pals he awarded cabinet posts to traditional conservatives. If the pupils had studied up to february, the last few months are revision mainly, so a shortened exam removing parts the pupils hadn't been taught could easily have been used, and exam halls have always had social distancing.

 

[goatwack]

Funny this has been brought up, and without needing to join in the chorus of Tory- bashing, the missus mentioned the other day how she'll not vote at the next GE, given the Government's various litmus test failings.

But most hoodwinked were we by none other than Boris himself, though I think the Tories are in a really strange place right now, with the added bonus of having so many unlikeable members that seemingly don't connect with any type of voters, not the middle classes and certainly not the proletariat.

But they're not even humouring us anymore, like they at least used to do!

So really it boils down to voting Cons or not at all, as clearly there's no viable alternatives, with Labour doing a massive rebuilding job and Lib Dems in some state of permanent slumber

So we'll be those exact people we used to loathe: the 'non-voter'

Really no point emboldening the other parties if not voting Tories, it would be a literal wasted vote and serve absolutely no purpose whatsoever. Though I might vote Greens for a laugh. Gotta save the snow caps!

 

[ChopleyIOM]

But most hoodwinked were we by none other than Boris himself, though I think the Tories are in a really strange place right now, with the added bonus of having so many unlikeable members that seemingly don't connect with any type of voters, not the middle classes and certainly not the proletariat.

But they're not even humouring us anymore, like they at least used to do!

So really it boils down to voting Cons or not at all, as clearly there's no viable alternatives, with Labour doing a massive rebuilding job and Lib Dems in some state of permanent slumber

The thing is goatwack, and I'm saying this as fairly and objectively as I can, the behaviour of Johnson as PM comes as entirely no surprise to anyone who's followed him over the years, particularly his time as London Mayor when he was notoriously lazy and prone to simply delegate anything and everything, whilst making sure his chums did very well out of his patronage. (He was also famously beguiled by 'shiny' things, i.e. big projects such as the Garden Bridge, that never got built, and cost £43m of public money in the process.

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Could I respectfully suggest you take out a subscription to Private Eye, it's not some commie lefty pinko rag, but skewers all political parties and politicians equally, when and where they deserve it. (Corbyn and his cronies in particular were a constant target, including on the front cover.) It's not just about 'pure politics' either, its Covid coverage has been superb, as has its following of the exam results debacle. (Also, the cartoons are frequently hilarious.)

On top of all that, PMQs resumed yesterday, I make a point of watching it every week when parliament is sitting. Starmer is an impressive and serious politician, who's clearly on top of what's going on and goes to great lengths to make sure he's fully in control of the facts of what he's talking about. Johnson was truly painful to watch yesterday, blundering and bluffing his way through questions relating to matters of deadly seriousness, and indeed refusing to answer questions to such an extent that he was rebuked by the speaker.

I'm very much of the opinion it's critically important that we all exercise our hard-won right to vote, even if we're not wildly enthusiastic about any of the options on offer. (Lest we forget that it really wasn't that long ago, in 1918, that all men over the age of 21 finally got the right to vote, with women following in 1928. You don't need to look much further back than that, to the 1860s, whereby property ownership was a requirement to have a vote.)

We are living in serious times, and we need a serious, competent, switched-on Prime Minister who is also confident enough to surround himself with people who will both support and challenge him. (Margaret Thatcher for example, appreciated the importance of taking counsel from people who were prepared to challenge her.) In Johnson we have a gameshow host elevated to a role he is clearly and painfully unsuited to hold, who has surrounded himself with a collection of sycophantic incompetents - and the results of this are becoming manifestly clear.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Anyone want to cry a river for Boris Johnson? Poor chap is having to make do with a mere £150K per year after giving up his column in The Daily Torygraph.

As some Tories are fond of saying, 'Don't have so many children if you can't afford to support them'.

(Not that Johnson could actually tell you how many children he's fathered.)

Apparently he's a bit sad about Brexit and Covid-19 as well, since both of those things are going a bit shit, and it turns out he's the Prime Minister so it's, y'know, his job is to make them less shit.

 

[goatwack]

The thing is goatwack, and I'm saying this as fairly and objectively as I can, the behaviour of Johnson as PM comes as entirely no surprise to anyone who's followed him over the years, particularly his time as London Mayor when he was notoriously lazy and prone to simply delegate anything and everything, whilst making sure his chums did very well out of his patronage. (He was also famously beguiled by 'shiny' things, i.e. big projects such as the Garden Bridge, that never got built, and cost £43m of public money in the process.

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Could I respectfully suggest you take out a subscription to Private Eye, it's not some commie lefty pinko rag, but skewers all political parties and politicians equally, when and where they deserve it. (Corbyn and his cronies in particular were a constant target, including on the front cover.) It's not just about 'pure politics' either, its Covid coverage has been superb, as has its following of the exam results debacle. (Also, the cartoons are frequently hilarious.)

On top of all that, PMQs resumed yesterday, I make a point of watching it every week when parliament is sitting. Starmer is an impressive and serious politician, who's clearly on top of what's going on and goes to great lengths to make sure he's fully in control of the facts of what he's talking about. Johnson was truly painful to watch yesterday, blundering and bluffing his way through questions relating to matters of deadly seriousness, and indeed refusing to answer questions to such an extent that he was rebuked by the speaker.

I'm very much of the opinion it's critically important that we all exercise our hard-won right to vote, even if we're not wildly enthusiastic about any of the options on offer. (Lest we forget that it really wasn't that long ago, in 1918, that all men over the age of 21 finally got the right to vote, with women following in 1928. You don't need to look much further back than that, to the 1860s, whereby property ownership was a requirement to have a vote.)

We are living in serious times, and we need a serious, competent, switched-on Prime Minister who is also confident enough to surround himself with people who will both support and challenge him. (Margaret Thatcher for example, appreciated the importance of taking counsel from people who were prepared to challenge her.) In Johnson we have a gameshow host elevated to a role he is clearly and painfully unsuited to hold, who has surrounded himself with a collection of sycophantic incompetents - and the results of this are becoming manifestly clear.

Oh I'm fully aware of Boris' tenure as London Mayor, I saw his bumbling ways first-hand way back when. Which makes his ascent to Prime Ministerialship all the more bemusing to me, though for a while at least he bluffed his way through and *appeared* to have found some form of leadership. Nope!

Yet in regards to voting, well, given how a week's a rather long time in politics, and the complete turning-on-its-head resultant worldwide power-grabs, nothing really surprises me anymore, in the slightest.

And I've found Starmer to be quite likeable, not to mention articulate and to the point, and at complete odds with Johnson's PMQ 'performances' of late. Which makes me think Labour made the best leadership choice in quite some time, and have an air of credibility that was sorely lacking under Corbyn.

But anyway, as you shill Private Eye more than I shill Ocado I finally relented and ordered this month's issue as a starting point, I feel it might offer some bite

 

[Slottery]

Anyone want to cry a river for Boris Johnson? Poor chap is having to make do with a mere £150K per year after giving up his column in The Daily Torygraph.

As some Tories are fond of saying, 'Don't have so many children if you can't afford to support them'.

(Not that Johnson could actually tell you how many children he's fathered.)

Apparently he's a bit sad about Brexit and Covid-19 as well, since both of those things are going a bit shit, and it turns out he's the Prime Minister so it's, y'know, his job to make them less shit.

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Wouldnt' really dance and sing if salary would drop way over 50%, story don't tell was it a surprise or something known well in advance but it's still quite a drop to your income.

Another hand, sounds bit weird that as PM of UK, you don't have that much savings/investments or what so ever that coud pay nanny and housekeeper for while....

Maybe it's not cool anymore to have any savings but more to buy things with credit (just saw some graph how much private households have loans and looked that's todays lifestyle, take now, pay later), maybe just old fashioned as always been willing to put some money on side in case some shit hit the fan or i have unlimited amount of vodka once retiring

 

[ChopleyIOM]

'Alexa, show me what prescience is'

(Look at the date this was written, and look at his explanation of why Johnson will make a shit Prime Minister. Matthew Parris, by the way, was once a Conservative MP.)

 

[goatwack]

Being a former Tory doesn't make him an auto-Johnsonite, but I agree that the signs were there

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Being a former Tory doesn't make him an auto-Johnsonite, but I agree that the signs were there

Well that's kind of what's interesting to me, namely how many Tories knew full well, and predicted with almost scary clarity, what sort of PM Johnson would make.

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[ChopleyIOM]

Boris Johnson manages to come third in a two horse race.

Yes it's only a single poll and I'm not saying it's massively significant, but I do find it amusing that the actual Prime Minister polled below 'Don't know' when people were asked who would make the best Prime Minister.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Labour now have a lead in the polls as a party, Keir Starmer was already ahead of Johnson on who would make the best Prime Minister.

Yes it's only a single poll, yes we're still four years out from when Johnson has to call an election, but considering the Tories got in with an 80 seat majority and Labour were basically dead in the water earlier this year, this is a remarkable turnaround.

This could get interesting, the Conservative Party is notoriously brutal and prone to regicide when it senses it has a loser in charge.

Suggestions are the latest change in polling has been influenced by the unfolding disaster at UK Universities. The Tories might not care about the students as they tend to be left wing anyway, but of course they all have parents who are about 30 years older than them, who also vote......

 

[goatwack]

I don't think the Tories are capable of keeping a leader for any notable length of time, whereas Starmer will be afforded the luxury of having at least one run at the next general Election.

Even if Johnson had led the country magnificently throughout the Covid crisis, he was never set to last. I'm not even terribly sure he'll last the full term, now that some of 'characteristics' have been brutally exposed, especially during Brexit-gate and its many associated U-turns.

It'll just end with a party revolt I'd imagine, Johnson being ousted, Sunak becoming leader, and the Tories at least having someone with a modicum of competence,

I'd err towards Labour if they brought about some credible proposals and vision, a lot can be said for a leader and their overall approach. In Starmer they have someone who looks to at least take back large chunks of the electorate, unlike that brown-suited Commie anti-Semite Corbyn and his outwardly racist sidekick Abbott

 

[ChopleyIOM]

I find it very difficult to disagree with a single word of this analysis.

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The ultimate problem with Johnson's lack of seriousness is that he does not take the British people seriously. That is to say, he is a child who also treats us as children. He lies and jokes and tries to cheer people up, but never levels with us as adults. And so he has never confessed to the damage of Brexit. In the summer he declared it our "patriotic duty" to go to the pub. And last week he declared we should behave "fearlessly" in the face of the virus. Everyone must be mollycoddled or condescended to. The sordid reality must never be spoken.

The fundamental difficulty is that Johnson is not a child and nor are we. We need both seriousness and the truth, and Johnson can supply neither. In children, his character traits are tolerated, laughed off and even cherished, because they are seen as staging posts on the way to maturity and understanding. But for Johnson they are the key to how he governs. It's not just that the boy king never grew up. It's that he can't.

 

[dunover]

They were talking about 80-seats insurmountable for LieBore after the 2019 election, saying that it means 10 years of Conservative govt. I never agreed with that then and still don't. 20-odd of those seats were traditional Labour ones and fell to the Tories due to Brexit and Corbyn's disastrous attitude to it. They were won by the slimmest of margins by some Labour voters turning blue and the ones that wouldn't vote Tory as long as they drew breath voted for Farage's Brexit Party, thus proving Farage was strategically right all along, pulling a master stroke by standing in those northern seats and Tory marginals while not standing in Tory safe seats. This strategy ensured the Tories, pro-Brexit, would win. They did, easily.

Now in 2024 or whenever, every one of those will revert back to LieBore, thus leaving the Tories defending an effective majority of about 40, of which at least 20 are held by 1-4% at present. So despite the 80 majority, it won't be hard for Starmer to win the next election, he'd have to be a complete chump NOT to finish with an outright majority, a disaster even to win as largest party but with no majority, so he has to team up with either the LD's or SNP.

I am already anticipating the silly crowing when the reds are all jumping up and down after election day, proclaiming a record majority-overturn when in fact they've simply in the main reclaimed the losses they handed out in 2019 via their blithering stupidity.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Now in 2024 or whenever, every one of those will revert back to LieBore, thus leaving the Tories defending an effective majority of about 40, of which at least 20 are held by 1-4% at present. So despite the 80 majority, it won't be hard for Starmer to win the next election

dunover - 'Won't be hard for Labour to win the next general election'

History -

 

[09237653]

Once the blue rinse brigade and the boomers start dying off the tories are really gonna struggle, forward planning is not really their thing is it.

 

[Mr_Slot5]

Once the blue rinse brigade and the boomers start dying off the tories are really gonna struggle, forward planning is not really their thing is it.

That's a fallacy. As people get older and amass more personal wealth, they tend to become conservative.

 

[Playford7]

That's a fallacy. As people get older and amass more personal wealth, they tend to become conservative.

Haha so true, once they grow up and realise it’s not all free stuff with unicorns and shiny things and you need to work then most tick the box named conservative when they mature.

 

[09237653]

That's a fallacy. As people get older and amass more personal wealth, they tend to become conservative.

That would make sense if they were amassing wealth but they arent any more, wages still at 2008 levels, outrageous rent and house prices, brexit kicking in soon so more job losses and price increases to come.

 

[Playford7]

That would make sense if they were amassing wealth but they arent any more, wages still at 2008 levels, outrageous rent and house prices, brexit kicking in soon so more job losses and price increases to come.

Not to mention the end of furlough and the impact this Chinese virus is having on us all with little sign of slowing up anytime soon...

 

[09237653]

Viruses dont have nationalities but yeah covid19 doesn't help on top of a decade of tory rule.

 

[Playford7]

Viruses dont have nationalities but yeah covid19 doesn't help on top of a decade of tory rule.

No but they have a origin.

Thankfully it was a decade of past tory rule or otherwise we would be up poo creak without a paddle.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Don't worry folks, at least Johnson is still finding things amusing.

(Taken from yesterday's press conference.)

 

[mack341]

I can't help but wonder about the timing of this boris and cummings clash, just seems to me like a form of media management or diversion, strange boris and downing street would make public accusations against cummings they must have known he'd reject and react to but seeing as he is no longer part of the govt team around bojo, probably a bit of an easy target who the media also love to write stories about, a kind of svengali / maverick figure.

 

[TheAddict]

Looks a bit like Bojo stuck a sly thumb up cummings butt right at the say cheese moment.

 

[mack341]

After reading a bit more, I think the cummings flat decoration story could be a smokescreen to divert attention from the david cameron greensill scandal, as that also involves several senior civil servants and MPs, the timing is too much of a coincidence.

Guardian:

On Tuesday it emerged that the government’s chief commercial officer, Bill Crothers, had joined Greensill while remaining a civil servant – in a move sanctioned by the Cabinet Office. [in 2015 which was when cameron was PM] The revelation prompted alarm within No 10 over the growing scandal.

It came as Downing Street started to lose control of its grip on the response to the saga. Three select committees announced probes into the scheme, which is likely to mean cabinet ministers such as the chancellor,

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, and health secretary, Matt Hancock, will be asked to give public evidence.

No 10 had hoped to contain the response to the growing scandal by launching the Boardman inquiry where evidence can be given in private, though Johnson said it would have “carte blanche” to recommend changes.

But mounting pressure meant three select committees of MPs announced plans to carry out their own probe. The public administration and constitutional affairs committee formally announced on Thursday morning it would conduct a full inquiry into lobbying rules.


sky:

Did Mr Cameron approach any other cabinet ministers?

Yes. In October 2019 he went for a "private drink" with Lex Greensill - the founder of Greensill Capital - and Health Secretary Matt Hancock. They discussed a payment scheme that the firm wanted the NHS to start using.

Was the payment scheme used by the NHS?

Yes. It was used in parts of the health service. But allies of the health secretary say everything was above board and he "updated officials on the business that was discussed" in the October drinks meeting

 

[mack341]

DM front page, not exactly pro boris for middle england's main paper even if just sensationalising a claim:

 

[Mr_Slot5]

DM front page, not exactly pro boris for middle england's main paper even if just sensationalising a claim:

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Do I personally believe a word of that? No I don't.

I highly doubt Boris said anything of the sort considering he has been wary of opening back up. As I recall, it was reported last year that people like Rishi were the keenest to open back up?

Not sure what's going on but I find it highly amusing that the people slating Cummings last year for being a liar are now using his claims to beat Boris, like he's the most trustworthy source of information. People are fickle!

 

[mack341]

yes as a straight verbatim quote it doesn't ring true to me, especially as Boris seems to be more pro lockdown and wants to stick to the roadmap rather than lift it early.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

The stench of corruption and sleaze around the Tories is getting overwhelming, even for the usually compliant right-wing press, they're just putting a bit of distance and plausible deniability between themselves and Johnson and his cronies.

Andrew Rawnsley wrote an excellent piece over the weekend:

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A culture of impunity in which unethical behaviour, however outrageous, never goes punished, is pretty much a guarantee of even worse to come in the future. I cannot tell you how the Johnson government will end or when, but it will surely not be a happily ever after. Sleaze may not catch up with the Tories tomorrow or next week or next month or even next year, but there will be a day of reckoning. To paraphrase Ernest Hemingway, governments become bankrupt in the eyes of the voters gradually, then suddenly.

 

[dunover]

The stench of corruption and sleaze around the Tories is getting overwhelming, even for the usually compliant right-wing press, they're just putting a bit of distance and plausible deniability between themselves and Johnson and his cronies.

Andrew Rawnsley wrote an excellent piece over the weekend:

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A culture of impunity in which unethical behaviour, however outrageous, never goes punished, is pretty much a guarantee of even worse to come in the future. I cannot tell you how the Johnson government will end or when, but it will surely not be a happily ever after. Sleaze may not catch up with the Tories tomorrow or next week or next month or even next year, but there will be a day of reckoning. To paraphrase Ernest Hemingway, governments become bankrupt in the eyes of the voters gradually, then suddenly.

Wot!!! The Gradinua anti-Tory? Never!

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Well let's remember what Johnson had to say about Libya.....

"They have got a brilliant vision to turn Sirte into the next Dubai.. the only thing they have got to do is clear away the dead bodies." laughter.

 

[interlog]

Not the first politician that said something he may have regretted later.....

Like calling somebody a bigot when she expressed something that didn't quite fit the agenda.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Anyone else watch Johnson lose his shit and get all angry and shouty at PMQs yesterday? Anyone would think he's a massive liar who's been caught lying and is about to have his lies exposed. (Well, even more of his lies, I suppose.)

I note even the Daily Mail are getting fed up with him.

Still, it doesn't seem to be hurting them too much in the polls, so I guess a lot of people are content with having a serial liar, adulterer and cheat as their Prime Minister.

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[paul7388]

Hard to name a politician that is not a liar.

 

[mack341]

I was about to post this pic 5 mins ago but thought no one would be interested ...I watched the actual clip, he was talking about brexit and the EU medicines agency, but must've been the flat business that sparked the anger. He was quite convincing on a superficial level but I'm starting to see through his act, he is good at it though it has to be said, gonna take a few more years and 'haven't we been here before' moments, for most of the public to see behind the mask.

 

[cncas2123]

Anyone else watch Johnson lose his shit and get all angry and shouty at PMQs yesterday? Anyone would think he's a massive liar who's been caught lying and is about to have his lies exposed. (Well, even more of his lies, I suppose.)

I note even the Daily Mail are getting fed up with him.

Still, it doesn't seem to be hurting them too much in the polls, so I guess a lot of people are content with having a serial liar, adulterer and cheat as their Prime Minister.

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In the big scheme of things , decorating a flat isn’t going to concern most voters as much as Covid and vaccine roll out , and love him or loath him Bojo has done an excellent job on the vaccine rollout.
I think this is more an indication of how out of touch with voters that Labour is.

 

[pinnit2014]

Hard to name a politician that is not a liar.

Hard to find a political job spec that doesn’t list it as essential criteria

 

[pinnit2014]

In the big scheme of things , decorating a flat isn’t going to concern most voters as much as Covid and vaccine roll out , and love him or loath him Bojo has done an excellent job on the vaccine rollout.
I think this is more an indication of how out of touch with voters that Labour is.

The Press again, learned nothing from the Cummings interrogation where you could taste their bile through the telly: it's happening again with the flat renovation and you just need to look at the comments to see the public going 'meh, shut up about it' - totally misgauging the public mood towards it.

 

[dunover]

So he finally does the right thing and sacks Scummings. Surprise Surprise! two weeks before local elections, Scummings comes out with all this. I frankly couldn't care less if the Tory party paid the initial sum, he put it on Barclaycard or hacked in to Scumming's bank account to pay for the bloody thing. What I do care about is beating Covid, ending restrictions and getting the economy back on track. It's hardly Jeffrey Archer-esque is it?

Johnson hated the effects of the first lockdown and was vehemently against another one, so presumably in a cabinet discussion shouted something like 'There'll have to be bodies in the streets before I want to see another one' which incidentally before Christmas was pretty much the public's point of view. But health won the argument, as it always should do. Heated discussions under pressure are nothing new - remember John Major calling the Ulster Unionists 'bastards' when he thought they weren't cooperating enough in the Good Friday Agreement negotiations?

Let's sack everybody everywhere who has said something out of place in their working environment. Most of the nation would be out of a job. Perhaps he had just been spanked by Priti Patel and was feeling the need to reassert himself.

It seems he has a lot of public approval right now despite all this, judging by the news reports even on Aunty Marx when they were out and about in towns yesterday asking passers by.

If all Labour has got is Starmer picking away at this old scab instead of positive campaigning, then no wonder they can't mount an effective opposition and get the public onside. They had enough bickering from politicians over Brexit for 4 years, so it's not really going to go down too well when all Labour can do is piss and moan about a refurb or a bit of table thumping in a cabinet meeting. I think they've shot themselves in the foot - as usual.

 

[colinsunderland]

People seem to be missing the point on the decorating. If it's proven he used funds he shouldn't have, then it's dishonest, and should start in depth investigations into other things, such as awarding million pound contracts to mates firms who had just been set up with a few quid in the company account.

 

[mack341]

There is probably slightly more involved in the comparison but something to look into, how well we compare to other countries, what they specifically do different to us and whether it achieves better results: