Gambling Sux and I have quit gambling

[lydia]

Oh, please dont't dissapoint me - it's my last hope!

I always wanted to learn poker, but was afraid of - thought I am too dumm. But being broke and as always in such cases looking for freebies, it was only poker n/d available, so I signed at Victor Chandlers for a free $10, read all about poker for 3 days at work and playing since Friday. It' s fascinating, why I didn't tried it earlier? I think I am addicted now...

Already participated at freeroll - 51 place! (out of more than 100 people)

 

[lydia]

...find you a nice fish and they'll be your meal ticket for at least the day; longer if you 'stalk' 'em

I am not going to tell my nickname...

 

[tencardcharlie]

...except the rake of course

Poker is the worst! They get free money for letting you sit down and throwing a few cards across a table!!!!

Not on World Poker Exchange - its rake FREE!

 

[Simmo!]

I lost 2k to InetBet in a week playing BJ. I swear to God I have played my last gaming of online gambling. I am also writing my senator to ask to have this regulated or even banned!

Regulated yes. But as has been discussed elsewhere, banning everyone from a pastime because a few can't control it is short-sighted.

Neither can you expect to brush a problem under the carpet and hope it goes away as some US politicians want to believe. Because it won't. You have to put it under control first and then try to introduce preventative measures to stop the problem from becoming more widespread.

Then through a process of education and assistance, you can help the few who cannot control themselves to better understand compulsive gambling and how to manage it.

 

[nikest]

this industry needs to be regulated

well! if people think that gambling is for fun.. hell no for many people.. i just lost 17 hands on a blackjack out of 19 hands and 1 push..i swear i did right now at harrods casino.. should i say that i have enough fun..risking money is fun... but loosing like this is not a fun.. whee RNG is in favour of casino..i am willing to risk my money .. but i am not willing to give my money to a casino without risking

 

[SlotsWizard]

... i just lost 17 hands on a blackjack out of 19 hands and 1 push ...

You need to stop playing blackjack. Try playing multi-hand (50 or 100) Jacks or Better at a Microgaming casino with an equal-sized bet on every hand, use and trust the auto-hold, and you'll get far better results than you have been getting with blackjack.

 

[winbig]

You need to stop playing blackjack. Try playing multi-hand (50 or 100) Jacks or Better at a Microgaming casino with an equal-sized bet on every hand, use and trust the auto-hold, and you'll get far better results than you have been getting with blackjack.

No doubt. I'm surprised there wasn't another thread implying harrods was rigged as you did 888.

But seriously, stay away from BJ.

 

[nikest]

but overall i am up in other casinos. its just that when i got results like 17hands lost in 19 hands and 1 push, derives me crazy .like wat kind of rng is this.overall, after getting a signup bonus and following perfect strategy, there are very less chances to loose.

 

[winbig]

but overall i am up in other casinos. its just that when i got results like 17hands lost in 19 hands and 1 push, derives me crazy .like wat kind of rng is this.overall, after getting a signup bonus and following perfect strategy, there are very less chances to loose.

What kind? just like any other. Same RNG, same results.

 

[chuchu59]

but overall i am up in other casinos. its just that when i got results like 17hands lost in 19 hands and 1 push, derives me crazy .like wat kind of rng is this.overall, after getting a signup bonus and following perfect strategy, there are very less chances to loose.

Yeah, that sucks but since you are still in the black this is something you should be proud of because even if you play with perfect strategy you should, theoretically, still be losing although that is minimised. On a lighter note, do you mind telling us of your best winning streak in BJ at any online casino.

 

[The Dude]

I lost 2k to InetBet in a week playing BJ. I swear to God I have played my last gaming of online gambling. I am also writing my senator to ask to have this regulated or even banned!

I'm sorry for your 2K loss, but if you didn't want to put this money into play, then you shouldn't have done so to begin with.

As several members have pointed out, writing a letter to a politician to ban online gaming isn't going to go anywhere. If you want online gaming banned, then all forms of gaming should be banned. Don't stop at the online casinos and poker room, go for the land based Indian casinos, dog and horse racing, sports betting, etc.

Unless you live in Hawaii, (the only state that doesn't have at least one form of legalized, State controlled gambling), it will probably fall on deaf ears. When it comes to politics and casinos - it's only about the money - it has NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with protecting people. I hope you'll come to realize this.

Further: the winner screenshots thread is not intended for affiliates to tout how much money you can win to entrap the unwary player. This is just a place where people can post winning screenshots that many of us would agree are cool to look at...and brag about. The thread was started by a player, and most of the postings are from players who have something they want to show.

And lest we forget the "Screenshots that Suck" thread.

Lucky21 - still waiting for your PAB. Please don't come here making comments that this is some board where casinos can do no wrong sort of BS. Take a look around, there is a lot of wrong doing; I have a hell of a time trying to keep up with it. If you have a legitimate complaint, then submit it. Thanks!

 

[jetset]

Regulated yes. But as has been discussed elsewhere, banning everyone from a pastime because a few can't control it is short-sighted.

Neither can you expect to brush a problem under the carpet and hope it goes away as some US politicians want to believe. Because it won't. You have to put it under control first and then try to introduce preventative measures to stop the problem from becoming more widespread.

Then through a process of education and assistance, you can help the few who cannot control themselves to better understand compulsive gambling and how to manage it.

Couldn't have said it better! Good post, Simmo.

Unfortunately I suspect that there's more to US political manouevreing than their claim that they are protecting the American people from themselves!

 

[lydia]

When it comes to politics and casinos - it's only about the money - it has NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with protecting people.

Well said!

 

[Karen_M-C]

Let's play find the lobbyist

Unfortunately I suspect that there's more to US political manouevreing than their claim that they are protecting the American people from themselves!

I'd have to agree. My guess is a battalion of lobbyists on behalf of established American land casinos sieging Washington. After they wipe out offshore operations that pay their taxes to Gibraltar, or Curacao or whatever, don't be surprised to find special regulations or amendments that allow land based American operators to branch out online.
My theory about this attempt to monopolize the "American Internet," may sound stupid but let's not forget that there is a "Chinese" internet, thanks to the cooperation between major search engines and a government that doesn't give a damn about the people's right to choose.

I'm not saying that the US is China, but the road to hell is paved with goody tushu intentions. :icon_evil

I'm guessing this could have been resolved if the US government found a way to tax the money streaming out of the country.

 

[lucky21]

Hi
With all respect casinomeister, you are aware of my problem, i have emailed and sent a pm explaining the situation,
Initially when i joined this forum you were away and spearmaster was good enough to assist me with a few questions i had, he suggested that i pich a bitch and i said at this stage it was with the legal begals and i would ask them if pitching a bitch was a good way to go.
My lawyers told me that getting you involved would be considered mediation and we had allready past that point and had commenced legal proceedings, so i told this to spearmaster and asked him to keep the information confidential between you and himself which you have done.

All in all that brief communication with spearmaster did lots to give me some confidence that there are some people out there trying there best to keep this online animal undercontrol but there is only so much one guy and his loyal helpers can do.
Based on my situation, I can only say that online gambling has to be regulated and if this cannot be done, and i believe it can, then all efforts should go to shutting it down- only my view and based purely on my experience.
To say we should then ban all gambling is a bit premature, land based casino, horse racing, lotto, is allready heavily regulated and transparent,the nevada gaming commision is a huge organisation with dispute avenues for both casino and player, of coarse there may still be crook deals but at least there is a governing body, I have asked at a land based casino "how does the shuffler work" and the dealer took the top off and explained how it does its thing but to get an accurate explaination as to how online casino's deal there cards well its proving difficult,
If i won the large amount at a land based casino and was accused of cheating it would be up to the casino to prove what i was doing wrong, count me down find a cheat device etc. In my situation oasis said basic strat and a progressive bet is cheating sorry matter closed (oasis words) and oh yeah were keeping your $1000 dollar deposit leaving me an expensive legal battle to try to recover the winnings i did nothing wrong just played there.

Well dont play online then! my problem happened with the first casino i joined up with, i only play blackjack and as you dont tend to ask too many questions when you walk into a land based casino, I and perhaps many many others where naive enough to say I like BJ, I might try it online and just give it a go without knowing the history of some casino's being rigged, behaving badly or just not paying out.

You will never stop online gambling! here in australia the law allready exists to stamp it out completely its just not enforced. here its not illegal for a person to gamble online its illegal for a casino to sign you up, the act even goes right down to prohibiting an isp from letting you see an online casino in your browser, its just not enforced but that may be about to change, currently authorities are investigating if google is breaching the law in regards to casino advertising by letting casino's come up in a search.

Sorry for the long post but unfortunatly i got involved in a situation like a few others whereby the casino not only didnt pay but took my deposit for no real reason at all, its stealing and should be able to be dealt with as such.

gotta blow off a bit of steam sometime.

 

[Sodax77]

I lost 2k to InetBet in a week playing BJ. I swear to God I have played my last gaming of online gambling. I am also writing my senator to ask to have this regulated or even banned!

Sorry to hear that you had bad luck.

Can you also write that there are few people who care,
like Casinomeister aka Bryan Bailey, who want to help players,
if there is any problem with any online Casino/Poker/etc.
Mostly, free of charge and sometimes, without even "Thanks".

Don't forget mention about Rogue-section, etc,
Where you can find useful information.

 

[The Dude]

Hi
With all respect casinomeister, you are aware of my problem, i have emailed and sent a pm explaining the situation,
Initially when i joined this forum you were away and spearmaster was good enough to assist me with a few questions i had, he suggested that i pich a bitch and i said at this stage it was with the legal begals and i would ask them if pitching a bitch was a good way to go.
My lawyers told me that getting you involved would be considered mediation and we had allready past that point and had commenced legal proceedings, so i told this to spearmaster and asked him to keep the information confidential between you and himself which you have done..

Gotcha. When players PM me or send me an email complaining about a casino. That's fine. It's just that I track the PABs better than my emails and PMs, and the PABs give me the complete information that I need.

Once I get the PAB, that's the go ahead for me to contact the casino, etc. If you have lawyers involved, great - but good luck. But if they (OasisCasino) falls under BetCorp, you might have a good chance for a response from them.

If i won the large amount at a land based casino and was accused of cheating it would be up to the casino to prove what i was doing wrong, count me down find a cheat device etc. In my situation oasis said basic strat and a progressive bet is cheating sorry matter closed (oasis words) and oh yeah were keeping your $1000 dollar deposit leaving me an expensive legal battle to try to recover the winnings i did nothing wrong just played there.

Your deposit needs to be refunded ASAP. If they are considering that your play is null and void, the deposit needs to be returned. You shouldn't need a lawyer to tell them this needs to be returned.

You will never stop online gambling! here in australia the law allready exists to stamp it out completely its just not enforced. here its not illegal for a person to gamble online its illegal for a casino to sign you up, the act even goes right down to prohibiting an isp from letting you see an online casino in your browser, its just not enforced but that may be about to change, currently authorities are investigating if google is breaching the law in regards to casino advertising by letting casino's come up in a search.

Unfortunately, this has nothing to do with protecting players. Australia allows their landbased casinos to go online (Lasseters for one), but they can't take Australian players. Figure that one out. So here we have casinos that are not "off shore" (I hate that term - it's so 90s, and is usually used by people who don't have a clue what they are talking about). And they are covered by solid licensing. It's all about taxes.

Sorry for the long post but unfortunatly i got involved in a situation like a few others whereby the casino not only didnt pay but took my deposit for no real reason at all, its stealing and should be able to be dealt with as such.

gotta blow off a bit of steam sometime.

Well since you're posting this in the forum, it's only fair to point Betcorp/Oasiscasino.com in this direction. They need to take some action on this. Confiscating deposits on a whim is not a good way to go.

 

[jenn1381]

I'm seeing a rather typical trend in gamblers that I don't like. If you win, you praise the casino to the moon, they are wonderful... and if they actually PAY you, well then they're beyond amazing (as if being paid is a privellege and not a right). When you lose, you scream and cry - rigged software, casino's advertise making me want to play even though I can't afford to, etc. You watch TV, don't you? See all those commercials? What do you think their purpose is? Ever see a commercial for a candy bar or McDonald's and think 'Wow! I could really go for one of those right now'! This is the land of living in the 21st century. Advertising is EVERYWHERE. And yes, it can be very appealing - THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT!

What it comes down to is self control. I could easily charge 2k onto a credit card and play to my hearts content, but I don't. Yes, I am tempted, everyday! I went to a land based casino yesterday and I only spent $5, I spent the rest of my time watching my family have fun. I know my limits, and I rarely cross them, and when I do, I learn from it and move on. Part of learning from it is taking a break from gambling of all kinds, to once again realize that I don't NEED it.. I just enjoy it. I will live if I can't gamble this month. Same goes for next month.

You can't blame the casino, the government, or a website such as this for your own short comings. You can't stop, then get help. If you aren't willing to lose, you should never, ever play! It's as simple as that! We all have good months and bad months. It has nothing to do with the casino (as long as you play at reputable casino's, of course. You should absolutely always research a casino before giving them your $), software, etc. You've been unlucky. Deal with it.

Bashing a site such as this in appalling. I've been a member for a while, a lurker until recently, and I've seen not only the meister but this sites members as well bend over backwards for strangers and friends alike. This site is one that will go to bat for you if a casino screws you, taking up their own time, and like has been said before - usually for free and way too often without a simple thank you. People seem to forget that the people around here have lives too, families and friends and jobs. I sure couldn't do what the people around here do. I hope I never have to use their services, but I'm glad to know that it's there should I need it.

 

[Chatmaster]

I was amazed as read the post. I am sure the author knew exactly what would happen after the post, so surely there must be some kind of objective. Calling your senator is an ironic statement to make as if you complain about lossing a lousy 2k there is no way you will pay any senator to listen to you... To them it is all about money and power nothing else. The internet is truly anoying as it doesn't allow them to play the game of pay politics as freely and they do not have the power they so much crave for. Look at Senator Stevens poor guy thinks he is bigg boss of the world! Shame... It is clear to me that there is currently a huge thing going on in the US because of the elections coming up... The US passed a law last week called "Old / Expired Link" Although the intentions are honorable the law is designed to impress people and will completely be unable to be applied.

Back to the topic... It is a natural phenomina for people to blame other things or other people for their mistakes. It seems denial is a natural instinct. I mean if your kid is watching porn on your computer it is because the of the government allowing it! If your daughter becomes pregnant at age 15 it is the damn TV. If you loose your entire salary on the horses it is the government. Take responsibility for your own F-ups, that is what grown-ups are supposed to do, blaming others is for teenagers You are responsible for loosing the money, your kid watching porn on YOUR computer and so forth!

 

[soflat]

I'm seeing a rather typical trend in gamblers that I don't like. If you win, you praise the casino to the moon, ...

...

You can't blame the casino, the government, or a website such as this for your own short comings.

Sure they can blame the casino. And people have been doing this for years. Ever stand outside a racetrack or casino? It's a steady stream of players either cursing the bad casino/dealer or celebrating their own skill. It is normal to vent.

 

[jenn1381]

Sorry soflat, I don't see it as "venting". I see it as blaming your addiction on everyone but yourself. If people can't afford to bet on those horses, or spin those reels, then they damn well shouldn't be there doing it. If it's not for entertainment purposes, it's not worth going.

Just because it's been done for years doesn't mean it's not immature and rediculous. No one forces you to play, you have no one to blame but yourself when you lose. I've said it time and time again, gambling is a LOSING game in the long run. If it weren't, it wouldn't be called gambling.

 

[silcnlayc]

Continued from jenn1381 post....

gambling is a LOSING game in the long run

otherwise we wouldn't see all them purty casinos standing around beckoning us to come in and............................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................


EAT

 

[AussieDave]

Sorry soflat, I don't see it as "venting". I see it as blaming your addiction on everyone but yourself. If people can't afford to bet on those horses, or spin those reels, then they damn well shouldn't be there doing it. If it's not for entertainment purposes, it's not worth going.

I'd say people who do not have an addiction and who hold no clue to the mechanics of addiction (in this case gambling), would agree with your opinions above.

Fortunately there are those who although don't have a gambling addiction, have learnt either thru association (friend or family member) or simply researching the subject, that people with an addiction all common sense goes out the window.

Expecting a compulsive gambling addict to adopt the protocols of control which for those of us who don't have a problem do every day, is like cutting your leg open and jumping into a tank of person eating sharks <--- politically correct-| and hold the belief they wont eat you.

In most cases a person with an addiction may know they are in trouble, but, until such time as they actually admit they have a problem (pertaining to your statement above) then they (the gambling addict) is not going to do a damn thing about it.

Sure they'll all feel remorse and probably swear they'll never gamble again, but, nothing changes and the status quo remains until each person hits their own 'rock bottom'.

For some it maybe their of loss employment (sacked) due to time spent gambling, though, for others it may be a total loss of family, assets, friends and even a jail term before they come to realise that they have a gambling addiction and have to seek help.

Unfortunately some compulsive gamblers don't even stop then. Suicide for some is the only way out of their perpetual addiction. Not a very nice realisation in anyone’s language.

Hence and back to my reason for posting a reply, I think people who don't have a gambling addiction should think themselves fortunate.

Most people here are pretty helpful and compassionate when it comes to gambling addictions.

Though as a general note and not aimed at anyone, I’d like to leave this post with this last paragraph.

For those who feel the need to hammer someone who may have an addiction, stop and think for a moment about how shitty a life this person maybe be going thru right now. Instead of kicking them, suggest help, offer links or information to such places as gamblers anonymous or GamCare. Or just take 5 min out of your day to stop and listen. Maybe this will be like water of a ducks back, but, maybe one person will accept your help and take steps to see it thru.

 

[cheekymonkey]

gamble ( P ) Pronunciation Key (gmbl)
v. gambled, gambling, gambles
v. intr.

To bet on an uncertain outcome, as of a contest.
To play a game of chance for stakes.
To take a risk in the hope of gaining an advantage or a benefit.
To engage in reckless or hazardous behavior.

Think that says it all really.

 

[lucky21]

Casinomeister:
"Since your posting in this forum its only fair to point betcorp/oasiscasino.com in this direction"

Sorry I havent learnt how to quote properly yet,

I have been in contact with the CEO of betcorp, and his response is that yes he is aware of my problem but that my liability was deliberatly excluded from his purchase of oasis.com so he is saying it is not a betcorp problem, the drama remains with the original owners of oasis.
I am investigating if companies can leave liabilities like this behind but it appears they can and as yet i have been unable to contact the old owners.