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FOBTS Stake Reduction

ITV Yorkshire Calendar just interviewed a former gambling addict who has praised the reduction and now wants to turn his attention to online casinos.

You have been warned all those praising this move today will you be praising it when it's online casinos turn somehow I don't think a lot of people on Casinomeister will appreciate having their online gambling play blocked, we know how frustrating the current rules are with autoplay disabled on WMS and having to fill in the autoplay on NetEnt.
 
ITV Yorkshire Calendar just interviewed a former gambling addict who has praised the reduction and now wants to turn his attention to online casinos.

You have been warned all those praising this move today will you be praising it when it's online casinos turn somehow I don't think a lot of people on Casinomeister will appreciate having their online gambling play blocked, we know how frustrating the current rules are with autoplay disabled on WMS and having to fill in the autoplay on NetEnt.

I agree. I'm not sure why the hate towards them on a forum filled with gamblers. Not that I like them, I never play them, well except when Coral have an offer on where you pretty much can't lose, but you can lose thousands on one spin online in a few seconds, why the hatred towards a £100 spin? I can do 10 x £100 spins on a netent slot using quickspin in the time it takes for a round of roulette on a FOTB.
 
I agree. I'm not sure why the hate towards them on a forum filled with gamblers. Not that I like them, I never play them, well except when Coral have an offer on where you pretty much can't lose, but you can lose thousands on one spin online in a few seconds, why the hatred towards a £100 spin? I can do 10 x £100 spins on a netent slot using quickspin in the time it takes for a round of roulette on a FOTB.
Exactly can you imagine if they start on the online and people cannot bet their £4 on Bonanza or Rhino, it seems people are far too happy for bookies to suffer as they don't use them but when it starts affecting their fun online suddenly they won't like it. Smirk and praise the FOBT reduction all you like but don't moan when they come after your fun.
 
I agree. I'm not sure why the hate towards them on a forum filled with gamblers. Not that I like them, I never play them, well except when Coral have an offer on where you pretty much can't lose, but you can lose thousands on one spin online in a few seconds, why the hatred towards a £100 spin? I can do 10 x £100 spins on a netent slot using quickspin in the time it takes for a round of roulette on a FOTB.

yep it is inconsistent to allow the high stakes online but to ban them in the high street for responsible gambling reasons; I don't like the way the bookies have been so snide in their efforts to exploit loopholes to get as many machines in an area as possible [almost all being poor areas too with high unemployment]. On a side note, as our currency devalues due to inflation, £2 buys you less each year, will these stakes have to be increased in time to maintain their current value.
 
Bet the B&M casino managements around the UK are popping open the bubbly tonight!!

I understand that FOBTs can cause problems for addicts, but so can off licences, drug dealers and even fast food outlets. Not only that you can throw huge bets on racing, sports, virtual racing etc etc every 2 mins in a bookie if you wanted to, but thats ok? Where does one draw the line, or are we slowly heading towards a "Demolition Man" senario?
 
Bet the B&M casino managements around the UK are popping open the bubbly tonight!!

I understand that FOBTs can cause problems for addicts, but so can off licences, drug dealers and even fast food outlets. Not only that you can throw huge bets on racing, sports, virtual racing etc etc every 2 mins in a bookie if you wanted to, but thats ok? Where does one draw the line, or are we slowly heading towards a "Demolition Man" senario?
The campaigners now turn their attention to online because now they have got their victory they will feel the momentum is with them and tv ads will be next.
 
Bet the B&M casino managements around the UK are popping open the bubbly tonight!!

I understand that FOBTs can cause problems for addicts, but so can off licences, drug dealers and even fast food outlets. Not only that you can throw huge bets on racing, sports, virtual racing etc etc every 2 mins in a bookie if you wanted to, but thats ok? Where does one draw the line, or are we slowly heading towards a "Demolition Man" senario?


Is that the film, I haven't seen it any good? I like futuristic type films with dystopian themes.
 
On the BBC News tonight the reporter who was delivering the story mentioned that around a third of the total spend on gambling now takes place on line and he finished his report with words to the effect that 'the spotlight will now fall on the digital world'.You can bet your bottom dollar that the Government's next target will be online casinos.
 
I personally think the next high priority should be to ban all gambling related adverts on tv until 9pm. It’s pretty horrible for problem gambling’s who are trying to sort their lives out by closing and self excluding all accounts but then are forced to sit and watch endlesss casino adverts in order to watch their favourite tv shows!

Not to mention it’s not something kids/teenagers should be exposed to, there were no casino adverts when I was a kid and it still turned out to be a problem for me when I was 22, can’t imagine how bad it would have been if I was exposed to it younger.
 
Suppose they did limit online to £2 a spin. What would be wrong with that? No doubt they will look at the figures but my guess is that a small percentage of overall bets would be higher than £2. The ability to bet higher and higher is almost certainly a gateway to problem gambling in my opinion.
 
Absolutely cannot believe the reaction to this here... I don't play these machines often and when i do its low stakes blackjack with the occasional bit of slots, but I can't for the life of me understand why you all feel people must be protected from themselves should they choose to walk into the bookies, yet online the same should not apply?

The government had the chance to do something good here - had they limited the stakes to say, £20-£30 for casino games, and £5 for slots, THAT would have helped those who are losing too much money on these machines - as it stands, everyone I know who likes to play roulette on these machines can no longer do so in the manner which they like/enjoy - that is, to cover a sizeable portion of the board with chips. With just 10 x 20p chips, they can no longer do this. Even if the bookies allow 5p/10p chips now, its not going to be very exciting is it only having 5p on each number for an earth shattering win of £1.80 ... ?? So now these players will move online where they can bet as much as they like.

Not to mention the fact that now this precedent has been set, those who campaigned for this draconian nanny state BS regulation will move on to pressuring the UKGC and the like for similar limits at online casinos, and just like in the shops the difference between slots and table games will likely be ignored. How many of you want to play blackjack at a maximum of £2 per hand? Even for slots I know many players here will often throw a few "wildcard" spins out there at £5 or more per spin just for the occasional shot at a lucky feature hit.

Sure, it's not good that problem gamblers are losing their shirt to these machines but the bookies are absolutely right to say nobody in their right mind is going to want to endure through the mind-numbing sluggishness already forced on these machines for such tiny stakes. Drives me crazy having to watch the money count up over and over playing blackjack as it is - each hand counts up seperately before the subtotal counts across to your balance, all of which is unskippable. Likewise being forced to watch the animation of the roulette wheel every spin for no good reason whatsoever ...

So yeah, congrats folks for moving this problem online via the privacy of peoples homes, where they will now continue to lose even greater sums of money. Lets not forget many players physically push notes into FOBTs - its so much easier to lose control when your just hitting "quick deposit" every five minutes and never seeing/touching the cash. Also, in the bookies you could get your winnings immediately should you wish - now there's potentially days of waiting with the temptation of the reverse button constantly available.

This is NOT something we should be celebrating!
 
Best news ever. Never played one of these machines but frequently speak to those who have had their lives messed up by them. Should have happened years ago :(

But you play online nicola yes? What about those who have messed up their lives playing the online casinos? Should they be forced out of business too to protect the few who can't control their own behaviour? It says you are also an affiliate, so you promote online gambling too... do you not feel in anyway hypocritical and contradictory in calling this the "best news ever" .... ??? Unless you are looking forward to increased revenues from your online gaming promotional work, which would of course be logical and perhaps even good reason to celebrate today!

Suppose they did limit online to £2 a spin. What would be wrong with that? No doubt they will look at the figures but my guess is that a small percentage of overall bets would be higher than £2. The ability to bet higher and higher is almost certainly a gateway to problem gambling in my opinion.

What would be wrong with it is that it is taking away peoples freedom to use their own hard earned money as they wish! Absolutely, you can be sure that lower stakes spins outnumber those of £2 and above by a factor of at least 5:1, but that still means there are many thousands of people who enjoy playing for higher stakes as well as all those who just like to throw a few big spins out there at the end of a session to see if the scatter gods would like to be kind to them!

Also, the limits on FOBTs have been set without consideration for the many different types of game available on these machines. It's outrageous that people with such obvious lack of knowledge of gaming are allowed to decide what is and is not acceptable in this way. If the same rule were applied in the same way to online casinos then we'd all be restricted to just £2 a hand/spin for blackjack and roulette as well as slots, which is clearly ridiculous. Maybe they'll even outlaw poker tournaments with a buy in of more than £2 as well, that would be just fantastic wouldn't it?! :(
 
I applaude the regulators for doing the right thing in this case,FOBTs are causing a real problem, social as well as financial.
By making roulette play on them unviable (probably by accident rather than intent),it will help a lot of gamblers who will
in the long run actually be grateful,getting home at the end of the week with their wages intact.
It really should never have got to this state, bookies and game suppliers pushing the limits of the law to achieve
stupid stakes and happily benifit from the misery of those who really cannot afford to lose silly amounts week after week.
Unfortunately online gambling is almost certain to be the next target, the wrong target I think as the situation is totally
different but I do think the FOBT decision was a good one
 
I have put together a piece on my thoughts regarding the announcement last Thursday which can be read here
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- where you can also watch me walk round my town, seeing how many of these shops there are.

In short, I believe it is a good thing. Saying that, no doubt affiliates will end up covering the costs....
 
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Absolutely cannot believe the reaction to this here... I don't play these machines often and when i do its low stakes blackjack with the occasional bit of slots, but I can't for the life of me understand why you all feel people must be protected from themselves should they choose to walk into the bookies, yet online the same should not apply?

The government had the chance to do something good here - had they limited the stakes to say, £20-£30 for casino games, and £5 for slots, THAT would have helped those who are losing too much money on these machines - as it stands, everyone I know who likes to play roulette on these machines can no longer do so in the manner which they like/enjoy - that is, to cover a sizeable portion of the board with chips. With just 10 x 20p chips, they can no longer do this. Even if the bookies allow 5p/10p chips now, its not going to be very exciting is it only having 5p on each number for an earth shattering win of £1.80 ... ?? So now these players will move online where they can bet as much as they like.

Not to mention the fact that now this precedent has been set, those who campaigned for this draconian nanny state BS regulation will move on to pressuring the UKGC and the like for similar limits at online casinos, and just like in the shops the difference between slots and table games will likely be ignored. How many of you want to play blackjack at a maximum of £2 per hand? Even for slots I know many players here will often throw a few "wildcard" spins out there at £5 or more per spin just for the occasional shot at a lucky feature hit.

Sure, it's not good that problem gamblers are losing their shirt to these machines but the bookies are absolutely right to say nobody in their right mind is going to want to endure through the mind-numbing sluggishness already forced on these machines for such tiny stakes. Drives me crazy having to watch the money count up over and over playing blackjack as it is - each hand counts up seperately before the subtotal counts across to your balance, all of which is unskippable. Likewise being forced to watch the animation of the roulette wheel every spin for no good reason whatsoever ...

So yeah, congrats folks for moving this problem online via the privacy of peoples homes, where they will now continue to lose even greater sums of money. Lets not forget many players physically push notes into FOBTs - its so much easier to lose control when your just hitting "quick deposit" every five minutes and never seeing/touching the cash. Also, in the bookies you could get your winnings immediately should you wish - now there's potentially days of waiting with the temptation of the reverse button constantly available.

This is NOT something we should be celebrating!


Well, betting against themselves in the fashion you mentioned just demonstrates why these players need protecting from £100 spins and possibly from themselves.

Secondly, bookmaker's shops were originally licensed and permitted as places "which accept wagers on the predicted results of physical events of which the outcome is not decided by the bookmaker" NOT licensed to be High Street casinos!

Lastly, your knowledge of problem gambling is clearly minimal as indicated where you state "congrats folks for moving this problem online via the privacy of peoples homes, where they will now continue to lose even greater sums of money. Lets not forget many players physically push notes into FOBTs - its so much easier to lose control when your just hitting "quick deposit" every five minutes and never seeing/touching the cash."

I suggest you read the Gamcare forum where a large percentage of respondents have stated in various ways that they lose the sense of value of money, keep visiting the bank/ATM and feeding more notes in until they are broke - what I am stating here is that a problem, tilting gambler will spend to destruction whether they see the notes or not, whether it's a credit or debit card or even if they are stripping their jewellery off and feeding it into the bloody slot. It makes no difference when they are in the zone and temporarily divorced from reality what the means of purchase is.

As for reversal, yes that is a point at many online casinos but a TAB can resolve any temptation until paid.
 
The UKGC are trying to fight on two fronts, but it's quite apparent that they can never have a universal set of rules for all things gambling- related.

Online will continue to be porous with high bet limits, quick spins and gamble features (but fear not, we have the 100 autospins limit) and continue to get overlooked, whilst obvious B&M outlets will bear the brunt of being made scapegoats, so as to mask the UKGC's inefficiencies and glaring hypocrisy :cool:
 
I was at the local machines today bemoaning the fact I was 30 quid down on those awful 10p slots. Now considering that’s my average amount for a 20p Bonanza bonus :oops: Online you can lose all semblance of the value of money; it’s just a series of numbers but handing that last 10 quid note over for quid coins really took effort :eek2:
 
I was at the local machines today bemoaning the fact I was 30 quid down on those awful 10p slots. Now considering that’s my average amount for a 20p Bonanza bonus :oops: Online you can lose all semblance of the value of money; it’s just a series of numbers but handing that last 10 quid note over for quid coins really took effort :eek2:

Yeah I do get this, losing physical money probably hurts more psychologically as the stark reality is there, however, are you then more vulnerable to chasing to try and recover the lost money?

In my opinion the bookmakers should never have been allowed to offer roulette and table games which is where most of the damage is done.

The UKGC are introducing these changes to stake sizes [basically admitting along with the government that the current setup is irresponsible] and I suppose its better later than never however I can't help feeling for all the people who have lost so much and were not protected. UKGC didn't need einstein levels of intelligence to see the problems years ago, so why didn't they act?

I think the distinction between online casinos and the high street bookmakers, is the sense in which they were seen to be preying on the poor and ill educated.
And these new responsible gambling checks the UKGC are requiring the casinos to carry out, though a royal pain in the arse for the majority, could protect those people who are again at significant risk with online gambling.
 
Will kill off the roulette for sure, when the machines first came out in Corals years ago,no one played, as soon
they put roulette on,you could not get on a machine all day.Cant see anyone playing it for pennies now.
Will be interesting to see how the operators will adapt to the new stakes, I would guess they might just
be lazy and screw the rtp down to sub 90 levels, hoping to make up for some of the losses.
I remember how dire the bookie awps were,think we might end up there again.
They have been way below that for years that's why the list of self exclusions from betting shops is longer than you arm.Yes at long last somethings been done. Just took ten years longer than it should have. Providers have been getting away with proverbial murder with those evil rigged heaps of s*^t. I am still not sure that goes far enough. I mean the vast majority of their slot players play £1 tops so no change there. The one thing it will kill is the high roller roulette player. I really don't think they will be as interested (if at all). I mean if I could only play a slot for 2p I would give it up. It serves Providers and bookmakers right if they had genuinely given punters a fair crack of the whip and paid out a decent % all those employees would still have jobs and some of us wouldn't have lost friends. Perhaps they knew from the outset they would be on borrowed time so made hay while the sun shone. Unfortunately like Balthazar said some people are so addicted they will blow their last penny anyway and they tend to be the people who can least afford it.At least it's a step in the right direction.
 
I suspect some of the gamblers who lost thousands on the roulette/table games will actually be annoyed about the stake change, thinking that it has prevented them from winning their money back.
There would never be any danger of that FOBTS are terribly rigged. They should infact be celebrating the fact it will stop them throwing more into the bottomless pit. With the point of these punters moving online instead let's not forget SOW is now becoming a big issue and in betting shops this was never an issue. A lot of laundering went on via FOBTS these punters shouldn't find it as easy online if things are being done properly. You also have the fact that a hell of a lot of these people were getting into massive financial melt down without their families finding out until it was to late. Those people wouldn't find it as easy online to hide all the necessary criteria. I am not saying it won't happen but it's not the same as driving past a betting shop on the way home from work with a few quid in their pocket and then having to tell their partner some elaborate story of where the shopping money went.
 
You're right they should be, probably most will be thankful. I suppose some might have been using for roulette a system of betting on certain numbers and felt they were due to land. Yes, if this SOW linked to responsible gambling continues as a mass roll out across all casinos then they will find it pointless to beg borrow and steal to gamble online.

Even though I am a low roller I certainly don't exclude myself at being at risk of large financial lost via online slots [ I don't touch roulette or table games ] and its chasing the incurred losses from playing dead slots that causes me real problems.

And this also relates to how 'fair' the games seem to play, in my opinion requiring some 8,000+ uninterrupted spins to trigger a bonus as happened to me on bonanza is irresponsible game design, and increases the likelihood of problems.

The bonus frquency on extra chilli is much better but awards 2/3 of the spins and then you feel forced to use the gamble wheel, which is awful.
 
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There would never be any danger of that FOBTS are terribly rigged. They should infact be celebrating the fact it will stop them throwing more into the bottomless pit. With the point of these punters moving online instead let's not forget SOW is now becoming a big issue and in betting shops this was never an issue. A lot of laundering went on via FOBTS these punters shouldn't find it as easy online if things are being done properly. You also have the fact that a hell of a lot of these people were getting into massive financial melt down without their families finding out until it was to late. Those people wouldn't find it as easy online to hide all the necessary criteria. I am not saying it won't happen but it's not the same as driving past a betting shop on the way home from work with a few quid in their pocket and then having to tell their partner some elaborate story of where the shopping money went.

This. Basically. The temptation is there everytime they have to go into town for something else.
Don't know how common it is but some people have ended their life in the bookies toilets after, id assume, for such reasons not to dissimilar to that of not being able to go home and tell the other half and the kids a new excuse as to why another months money has dissapered while again no bills had been paid.
 
This. Basically. The temptation is there everytime they have to go into town for something else.
Don't know how common it is but some people have ended their life in the bookies toilets after, id assume, for such reasons not to dissimilar to that of not being able to go home and tell the other half and the kids a new excuse as to why another months money has dissapered while again no bills had been paid.
That's pretty rough. Thing is, hardened gamblers won't stop at the £2 FOBT limit, they'll find other ways to part with said money, so could just as easily place a £200 bet on sports as an example. This is just papering over the cracks I feel....
 
This. Basically. The temptation is there everytime they have to go into town for something else.
Don't know how common it is but some people have ended their life in the bookies toilets after, id assume, for such reasons not to dissimilar to that of not being able to go home and tell the other half and the kids a new excuse as to why another months money has dissapered while again no bills had been paid.

yeah it is absolutely sickening the carnage its caused, do you know when the fobt's first arrived in the bookmakers?
 
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Probably right m8. Its just that damn roullette in the bookies imo that is the main culprit. Like watching a particular infamous guy on youtube who would , every single video that id seen,, without fail, when about to leave use the words "last spin then im off" anything from 4 to 30 times per session every single spin in a row until actually leaving. It was sad to see, and the way he'd justify each extra spin.
If he won a bit then he would usually use the excuse of 'well im over 200 now so ill bet xxx and leave with 200 if it misses" , if it didnt win it would be the 'one more spin' again (quite often bigger bets to recover what he just lost) with the qaulity reasoning being that the 3rd section must surely be dropping in now since its missed so many times. The rush of constantly swinging up and down and the speed you can keep buying those rushes would be hard to walk from for some who get used to it... until the inevitable.. he'd smash 4 figures which will pay for the next time, or go home broke.

The slots are a crock of shit indeed and never seen 1 quid from me either, but they dont provide that consistant rush of huge swings that big bets in quick succession on roullette does without betting those 10-50quid mega spins bets. Yeah you can get painfully addicted and ruin lives Sure, at 2 quid a spin, but its not as easy to accomplish. Generally the player is chasing one big hit, one big rush. If it doesnt come quickly on 50 quid bets, thats expensive. And the return being only 10x the initial bet anyway.
And of course, you can always find a b&m and spin your balls away quicker for that quick constant fix, but not usually within 300 yards of pretty much wherever you are standing while in lot of towns. Constant temptation, which a true addict to the game in question may give in to and start to persuade himself by thinking 'ah fookit ill just do one tenner mayge ii can get breakfast paid for' .

Obv, a degen gambler is going to do anything to get that fix if they are always looking to gamble. But the constant addictive rushes every spin on high stakes fobts gives is hard to replace.
I knew a guy, a friend of a friend that would come with us to poker tournaments occasionally, who would take his fortnightly giro to the casino and do it on roullette within 5-30mins usually. His entire conversation in the car was of roullette. And if standing near the table, he would not for one second stop talking about the wheel and how he knew roughly what section the ball would land. I went with our shared friend to a few poker tourneys and eqch time he joined, he had alot to say, but he never once spoke of anything other than that game.

There is just something very dangerous about it being available everywhere imo, coming from a fruit gambler for 30 years its scary and sobering watching how some people act when addicted to that particular game. It made me check myself regarding fruit machines ages ago and swear to never touch roullette in fear of some peoples addictioj to it that ive witnessed.
I dont like the fact it is available so easily near places people always visit if they step out of the house. Making it easy for the next person to become addicted.

Sorry, one of those essays again! Am i right, maybe not. Do i have a point, probably lost somewhere ages ago. Am i tired as fook, hell yeah !

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I do know one degen gambler who would do as you say goat, find any way to gamble. I think roulette in bookies was what took him to the next level to. It got to the point he would take his grandmothers bankcard to the casino and play multiple games. Withdrawing from the casino.
Surely he must of known at some point she will see 50x withdrawals from a b&m casino on her statement after wondering where her money was going. Some 5-10k worth if i remember correctly. Got done for fraud after she pressed charges and the family kicked him out, he was homeless sleeping in a hospital a&e chair last time i spoke to him. at the age of roughly 20-25.
So yeah, those gamblers will always find a way. He did go to GA after though, probably part of his requirement once being convicted of fraud.

Its just well as we know, near misses get people addicted. Slots are designed in that way to an extent. But for the true roullette addict every spin is usually delivering a rush with a near miss or win since its hard for the ball not to 'nearly land in a chosen number' and so imo its easier for people to get hooked, and much harder of a game once addicted to walk away from.

Maybe i should have just said i hate roulette and leave it there.. lol.
 
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yeah it is absolutely sickening the carnage its caused, do you know when the fobt's first arrived in the bookmakers?

Nope i dont m8. Im sure thats easily to find online. I love a gamble, but i cant stand to be in those places. Walked into one less than 10 times (not to gamble) and ive been gambling most of my life.Just the odds of 10/1 that it wont stink of BO the moment you walk through the door is enough to put me off ;)
 
Nope i dont m8. Im sure thats easily to find online. I love a gamble, but i cant stand to be in those places. Walked into one less than 10 times (not to gamble) and ive been gambling most of my life.Just the odds of 10/1 that it wont stink of BO the moment you walk through the door is enough to put me off ;)

according to wikipedia it was 2001, that's a bloody long time 17 years, yeah surprised you don't see staff in these places wander around spraying air freshner.
 
Damn true mate. the way some staff act can be rather upleasent and must have nostrils of steel to withstand that on a hot day. Like i read somewhere a while back, 2 guys that would reguarely lose on the fobt slots came in and noticed new games. The manager, knowing they lose regular, apparantly as good as jumped over the counter beating the olympic high jump record to show them the free play mode so they could play them for free. Ill leave the rest to your imagination.
 
The BBC did a 3 episode series 'britain at the bookies' a few years ago, some of the focus was on a coral shop and its fobts, and it was a seedy, nefarious business, staff showing people how to play these frigging roulette games. like you mentioned about your friends friend obsessed about fobt roulette and systems, its so sad.
 
yeah, thats 17 years, do you know when the online slots on the bookmaker websites started? Was it before broadband as it must have been difficult on dial up to play slots.
Not sure but I think it all kicked off around that time. When FOBTS came out the rule was they had to be linked to an offshore server. I don't know if it still works now but at 1 time if all 4 machines had roulette loaded up and you all pressed spin at the exact same time you all got the same number. A bit of useless information for you.
 
Not sure but I think it all kicked off around that time. When FOBTS came out the rule was they had to be linked to an offshore server. I don't know if it still works now but at 1 time if all 4 machines had roulette loaded up and you all pressed spin at the exact same time you all got the same number. A bit of useless information for you.

I never knew that about the roulette, it would be interesting to see the footage of 2 people playing the same slot at one casino at the exact same time and see how well they did compared to each other. I know games have an rtp but I wonder how much profit a casino makes per game annually, would it be about 4% of all total stakes placed for a 96% rtp game?
 
Not sure but I think it all kicked off around that time. When FOBTS came out the rule was they had to be linked to an offshore server. I don't know if it still works now but at 1 time if all 4 machines had roulette loaded up and you all pressed spin at the exact same time you all got the same number. A bit of useless information for you.

Used to play a numbers game on the first FOBT,s at Corals,was true that machines gave the same result if started within a certain time
it was possible to see the result on one and bet on it on another if you really fast,probably worked 1 in 10 games.
Could not make a profit as the game was shite and other 9 games would probably be losers.
 
yeah, thats 17 years, do you know when the online slots on the bookmaker websites started? Was it before broadband as it must have been difficult on dial up to play slots.

Shoot me down if I am wrong but I think Ladbrokes had the first uk bookie gaming site and that must started over 20 years ago.
I did play slots on dial up,was very slow loading games and cost a fortune when it was pay per minute,something like 4p a min
at peak times.
 
Shoot me down if I am wrong but I think Ladbrokes had the first uk bookie gaming site and that must started over 20 years ago.
I did play slots on dial up,was very slow loading games and cost a fortune when it was pay per minute,something like 4p a min
at peak times.

wow I'm glad I didn't play in those days the dial up costs alone would have put me out of action, I wonder what the landscape will be like in another 10 years time...
 
Bookies roulette would be much better if it was linked to a live roulette table.

It would appear to be much fairer than rng, as everyone would get the same spin , also would slow down proceedings and with a restricted stake should slow losses too.
 
I met a bookie last week on the day this was implemented. It was very interesting to hear how betting has changed down the years in regards to percentage of bets on footie, horse racing, lottery and the machines. Like with everything, there are two sides to the story: I personally think the reduction is a very good thing but at the same time, it does mean that lots of shops will close and jobs will be lost, probably in the most deprived areas as well. While it's hard to have sympathy for the bookie, you do feel for the staff that will lose their jobs.

Then again, the gambling industry is one of the most innovative and fastest evolving industries on the planet so I bet (sic) that someone will come up with something to reduce the impact that this has had in the not too distant future.
 
simple fact nothing these zealots think of has ever worked, ever ever ever, the war on drugs has never worked, the war on drink has never worked,

the war on smoking has never worked,the war on obesity has never worked now the war on gaming will not work, governments should stick to what there supposed to do educate and inform support,

not bully, denormalise, and crimalise normal people for enjoying what ever form of legal entertainment they want,
 
but unfortunately true, a simple google will give a classic example take my own country Ireland first 5 yrs of smoking ban smoking increased every year (fact)

what was there answer to why when asked and this is absolutely true and i quote the minister for health at the time (there not expensive enough :confused:)

that was the scientific answer given, but i don't need science cause since time began attaching the word banned to anything makes it go up :thumbsup:

but of course i also respect your opinion,
 
And like everything else , when taxes are lost through restricting what people want to do , they will be made up for elsewhere.

So we can look forward to massive council tax rises and other shit .

If you stop someone from doing something they don’t want to stop , they will just find another way to do it.

Unlicensed venues will probably start springing up in dodgy areas as a result.
 
:p
Bookies roulette would be much better if it was linked to a live roulette table.

It would appear to be much fairer than rng, as everyone would get the same spin , also would slow down proceedings and with a restricted stake should slow losses too.
The bookies wouldn't have that as you would have a chance of winning:).
 
do you know when the online slots on the bookmaker websites started? Was it before broadband as it must have been difficult on dial up to play slots.

I'm late to the party with responses but.... Way back. I would in fact say before fobt's.

I would say 1999/2000. Bookies would hand out casino install cd-rom's to punters who could then go home, install the casino (so not have to download it) and then start playing.

I remember being 14 and my uncle came home with a William hill casino install cd-rom. As he was disabled and didn't know much about installing stuff (Yet I was learning a fair bit at school about computers), he asked me to install it and get it up and running for him. If I did, I would be allowed 30 minutes using his computer (the only computer in the house with internet).

I didn't exactly want to but the offer of 30 mins internet and my mother (disabled also) not understanding gambling as a potentially bad thing and telling me 'Help him. He's not well. Don't be cruel' meant I did it.

I was clicking cards and clicking spin for him as he requested, and at 1 point he was £50 up, then he lost it, and lost the deposit. Annoyed at his losses, I was told to turn the computer off and I wont be allowed any time on the internet. When I said it was a bit unfair as he had said I could have 30 minutes, I was given 10 minutes of which I downloaded Napster and 1 song from it.

Little did I know that even though I wasn't gambling directly, the buzz of winning when clicking what I was told to click stayed with me and the slippery slope started when I was 18.
 

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