Falling out of love with slots

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Is it me or has the excitement and entertainment being provided dwindled over the past few years. A while back a £20 deposit would last a good amount of time and not the standard 10 minutes seen today. Features would occur more often and you had a 'good' chance at making a withdrawal. With all the recent rtp drops and new game releases like beetlejuice megaways proving next to impossible to bonus what really is the point anymore? Of course people will always play as the impulse will always be there, but i don't see the value for money on offer anymore.
 
To add to that, these "high volatility slots" are not good for your ordinary punter to play. Sure you can hit some really big wins, but 90% of the time your blowing a balance on the likes of Primal or those horrid Pragmatic Games, Buffalo King being the prime example. Your either losing your balance or winning mental money, no real in between.
 
Agreed. Seems like you need to have a streamer style balance to get any chance of achieving those type of wins, especially when it could take hundreds or even thousands of spins to land a bonus
 
Would also be interesting to see what percentage of players make up the 10-100 deposit "low rollers market" and if enough of these types of players simply stopped playing, would any difference be made to offered rtp's etc.
 
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Part of my rant I just posted at BTG is partly this and I stopped playing last year because it is getting too stressful to play. I am playing again now but fighting to get your withdrawals processed, fighting with providers to play their games, technical issues with casinos and deposits gone in an hour or 2 with hardly any enjoyment.

I posted here a few times the same thing, smaller deposits would last you hours or days back in the day and you would hit bonuses/free spins frequently, now a $300 deposit is not good enough and you're lucky if you get over 2 hours playtime.

I say this even though yesterday I won and hit quite a few free spins on one slot and am at 6 hours of playtime on the deposit I did, lol. but in general, I hear what you're saying and from the looks of it the RTP's are going to go downwards. :(.
 
Nothing to love at all about slots.

It's either a time passer at best or at worse a way to try and make some extra money occasionally.

I'm all for gambling and love sports betting, but I would never ever encourage anyone to play slots. It's a rigged turd industry driven by affiliates and streamers trying to rinse addicts dry.

Sooner the industry collapses and the less casinos about the better, and people can go back to putting money in sports betting which actually helps fund some of these sports to exist.
 
Nothing to love at all about slots.

It's either a time passer at best or at worse a way to try and make some extra money occasionally.

I'm all for gambling and love sports betting, but I would never ever encourage anyone to play slots. It's a rigged turd industry driven by affiliates and streamers trying to rinse addicts dry.

Sooner the industry collapses and the less casinos about the better, and people can go back to putting money in sports betting which actually helps fund some of these sports to exist.

If the industry collapses how are you planning on playing Bonanza?
 
If the industry collapses how are you planning on playing Bonanza?

He won't. He plays Bonanza "because it's there".
If it's not there, he'll likely spend what he would waste on Bonanza on footie, horse racing and boxing bets.
And possibly get more bang for his buck from it.
 
Nothing to love at all about slots.

It's either a time passer at best or at worse a way to try and make some extra money occasionally.

I'm all for gambling and love sports betting, but I would never ever encourage anyone to play slots. It's a rigged turd industry driven by affiliates and streamers trying to rinse addicts dry.

Sooner the industry collapses and the less casinos about the better, and people can go back to putting money in sports betting which actually helps fund some of these sports to exist.
Please - you used the 'S-word' there, the 'A-word'.

If I may suggest 'Industry advertisers' and 'YouTube real-time slot players'.

Peace on you bro'
 
Given the amount of these type of threads to appear of late, starting to think I was right all along when I first mentioned month's years ago how they play time had declined and to make a deposit last for a low roller was/is the ultimate struggle these days.

I've also noticed a drop in the casino/slots defenders replies so keep it up rigged brigade, we're winning, slowly but we're finally winning (just a shame its not on the rigged, once fair slots)
 
Is it me or has the excitement and entertainment being provided dwindled over the past few years. A while back a £20 deposit would last a good amount of time and not the standard 10 minutes seen today. Features would occur more often and you had a 'good' chance at making a withdrawal. With all the recent rtp drops and new game releases like beetlejuice megaways proving next to impossible to bonus what really is the point anymore? Of course people will always play as the impulse will always be there, but i don't see the value for money on offer anymore.
1000% I done a little £30 depo this morning on PP it was gone in 7 minutes on 40p stake not a huge deposit by any means but it’s getting to the point that you know your gonna deposit and get zero playtime it kind of puts me off depositing the amounts I used to, I used to be able to get a good go for my money prob hit bust town but have fun along the way, now it’s either lose straight away or hit a few decent wins also the past 2 months when I have withdrawn it’s never above £180-200
 
IMO, the reason why slots have become less enjoyable is because of one thing.....the exponential increase in slots that have what I would call "nosebleed volatility".
The kind of volatility that suits those with the "go big or go home" mindset.

To all those CM members who were here before the Megaways era, ask yourself......

How many slots (excluding progressive jackpots) were capable of producing a win of 100,000x?
What about 20,000x? Or even 10,000x?

Answer: Not a lot. Off the top of my head...Flowers, DOA, IR, Finer Reels.
And perhaps (at a stretch) Penguin Vacation, Irish Luck and Great Blue.
I honestly can't think of any others.

But now? There's an absolute craptonne of them. And let's not kid ourselves here.
There's plenty of us (myself included) who have seen screenies of some really stupifying wins and thought....

"Hmm. I wouldn't mind some of that"

And that's where the problem starts. You want a chance of a much bigger win?
Well, there's a price to be paid for that....a much lower chance of getting any win at all.

The bigger the big win, the more people there are that have to foot the bill for that bigger big win.

Players seem to have forgotten the price that has to be paid for those big wins to be made possible.
Players seem to have gotten so seduced/blinded by a slots big win potential, that they forget that the prices that have to be paid are:

much higher volatility, fewer decent features, lesser feature triggering frequency (in some cases),
much quicker bustouts and significantly less playtime.

Is there a solution? Yes, there is. Fine tune your game selection.
Maybe see past the big win potential of some of these slots that play tighter than a ducks arse
and go back to some of the older games from the pre-Megaways era.
Games like IR, Finer Reels, Playboy, Jurassic Park. Maybe even the re-trigger happy Novos.

You know what my favourite game is right now? Creature From The Black Lagoon.
A game that is "almost impossible" to win 1,000x on.
A game that is capable (on a bad day) of ripping you a new one and giving you plenty of poor bonuses.

But it's also capable of dishing bonuses out in bunches. Not to mention wins between 50x and 100x.
And you will likely get some decent playtime more often too.

What's most important? Winning huge? Winning big? Or just winning something?

Sometimes, you have to lower your expectations or "think smaller" in order to get more satisfaction from your slot play. Because bigger is not necessarily better.
 
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IMO, the reason why slots have become less enjoyable is because of one thing.....the exponential increase in slots that have what I would call "nosebleed volatility".
The kind of volatility that suits those with the "go big or go home" mindset.

To all those CM members who were here before the Megaways era, ask yourself......

How many slots (excluding progressive jackpots) were capable of producing a win of 100,000x?
What about 20,000x? Or even 10,000x?

Answer: Not a lot. Off the top of my head...Flowers, DOA, IR, Finer Reels.
And perhaps (at a stretch) Penguin Vacation, Irish Luck and Great Blue.
I honestly can't think of any others.

But now? There's an absolute craptonne of them. And let's not kid ourselves here.
There's plenty of us (myself included) who have seen screenies of some really stupifying wins and thought....

"Hmm. I wouldn't mind some of that"

And that's where the problem starts. You want a chance of a much bigger win?
Well, there's a price to be paid for that....a much lower chance of getting any win at all.

The bigger the big win, the more people there are that have to foot the bill for that bigger big win.

Players seem to have forgotten the price that has to be paid for those big wins to be made possible.
Players seem to have gotten so seduced/blinded by a slots big win potential, that they forget that the prices that have to be paid are:

much higher volatility, fewer decent features, lesser feature triggering frequency (in some cases),
much quicker bustouts and significantly less playtime.

Is there a solution? Yes, there is. Fine tune your game selection.
Maybe see past the big win potential of some of these slots that play tighter than a ducks arse
and go back to some of the older games from the pre-Megaways era.
Games like IR, Finer Reels, Playboy, Jurassic Park. Maybe even the re-trigger happy Novos.

You know what my favourite game is right now? Creature From The Black Lagoon.
A game that is "almost impossible" to win 1,000x on.
A game that is capable (on a bad day) of ripping you a new one and giving you plenty of poor bonuses.

But it's also capable of dishing bonuses out in bunches. Not to mention wins between 50x and 100x.
And you will likely get some decent playtime more often too.

What's most important? Winning huge? Winning big? Or just winning something?

Sometimes, you have to lower your expectations or "think smaller" in order to get more satisfaction from your slot play. Because bigger is not necessarily better.
I think you're spot on mate, since the inception of these ultra high variance slots (think lil Devil, Jammin Jars, DOA2 etc), people's perceptions have changed. They see the 50,000x screenshots and want a piece.

The thing is, the chances of hitting such massive amounts are remote.
 
He won't. He plays Bonanza "because it's there".
If it's not there, he'll likely spend what he would waste on Bonanza on footie, horse racing and boxing bets.
And possibly get more bang for his buck from it.

Bang on. If it's not there I won't play.
 
I hate those 'dead' sessions where your deposit goes up in smoke super-fast it seems no matter what you play. They seem to, at least for me, be clumped together too which makes me question at the time whether it's worth bothering anymore. Somehow though I persist as I enjoy the games & they pass eventually.
 
IMO, the reason why slots have become less enjoyable is because of one thing.....the exponential increase in slots that have what I would call "nosebleed volatility".
The kind of volatility that suits those with the "go big or go home" mindset.

To all those CM members who were here before the Megaways era, ask yourself......

How many slots (excluding progressive jackpots) were capable of producing a win of 100,000x?
What about 20,000x? Or even 10,000x?

Answer: Not a lot. Off the top of my head...Flowers, DOA, IR, Finer Reels.
And perhaps (at a stretch) Penguin Vacation, Irish Luck and Great Blue.
I honestly can't think of any others.

But now? There's an absolute craptonne of them. And let's not kid ourselves here.
There's plenty of us (myself included) who have seen screenies of some really stupifying wins and thought....

"Hmm. I wouldn't mind some of that"

And that's where the problem starts. You want a chance of a much bigger win?
Well, there's a price to be paid for that....a much lower chance of getting any win at all.

The bigger the big win, the more people there are that have to foot the bill for that bigger big win.

Players seem to have forgotten the price that has to be paid for those big wins to be made possible.
Players seem to have gotten so seduced/blinded by a slots big win potential, that they forget that the prices that have to be paid are:

much higher volatility, fewer decent features, lesser feature triggering frequency (in some cases),
much quicker bustouts and significantly less playtime.

Is there a solution? Yes, there is. Fine tune your game selection.
Maybe see past the big win potential of some of these slots that play tighter than a ducks arse
and go back to some of the older games from the pre-Megaways era.
Games like IR, Finer Reels, Playboy, Jurassic Park. Maybe even the re-trigger happy Novos.

You know what my favourite game is right now? Creature From The Black Lagoon.
A game that is "almost impossible" to win 1,000x on.
A game that is capable (on a bad day) of ripping you a new one and giving you plenty of poor bonuses.

But it's also capable of dishing bonuses out in bunches. Not to mention wins between 50x and 100x.
And you will likely get some decent playtime more often too.

What's most important? Winning huge? Winning big? Or just winning something?

Sometimes, you have to lower your expectations or "think smaller" in order to get more satisfaction from your slot play. Because bigger is not necessarily better.


Really good post, people take note! this is exactly what you need to read and take onboard.

Im getting really bored of people moaning about slots giving no gameplay, constant bust outs and rare cashouts or they must be broken.

Then you ask them what game they playing and they say DOA2 on £3.60+ a spin etc LOL
 
There are still slots out there which feature both decent RTP and sensible volatility, I made a video about a few I'd found when all the Covid-19 lockdown shit kicked off.

Going off the comments left on the video, a few people found it improved their playtime and led to a couple of reasonable withdrawals too.

I steer well, well clear of crazy volatility slots, they're just a one way ticket to shitty playtime and a miserable bust out.

EDIT - Multifruit 81 doesn't really belong on the list, I corrected myself on that before the end of the video.

 
Really good post, people take note! this is exactly what you need to read and take onboard.

Im getting really bored of people moaning about slots giving no gameplay, constant bust outs and rare cashouts or they must be broken.

Then you ask them what game they playing and they say DOA2 on £3.60+ a spin etc LOL
Exactly what I was going to post - people are playing at ridiculous stakes compared with their bankroll. You won't get a game like that; you'll just go skint quickly 99 times out of 100. Players need to decide whether they want to slowly dribble their money away and get maximum game time, or be happy to punt it away quickly with a chance of nicking a monster win. You can't have both - Megaways slots try to cater for both players but only by pushing the bonus hit rate out to something stupid like 1 in 500.

Take a game like Book of Ra. 50% return from the base game, 1 in 180 bonus hit rate. Play that at 40p a spin with a £30 deposit and of course you're going to go bust quickly - the average cost of a bonus is £36! Lower your stakes or increase your bankroll :)

These days when I deposit it's usually £100 and I play slots at 10p or maybe 20p (occasionally 25p if I'm playing something like Secrets of the Stones), and I don't play Megaways games or really high-variance stuff. I get a good game for my money because my bet size is between 1/500-1000 of my bankroll, and I manage my expectations accordingly.
 
Exactly what I was going to post - people are playing at ridiculous stakes compared with their bankroll. You won't get a game like that; you'll just go skint quickly 99 times out of 100. Players need to decide whether they want to slowly dribble their money away and get maximum game time, or be happy to punt it away quickly with a chance of nicking a monster win. You can't have both - Megaways slots try to cater for both players but only by pushing the bonus hit rate out to something stupid like 1 in 500.

Take a game like Book of Ra. 50% return from the base game, 1 in 180 bonus hit rate. Play that at 40p a spin with a £30 deposit and of course you're going to go bust quickly - the average cost of a bonus is £36! Lower your stakes or increase your bankroll :)

These days when I deposit it's usually £100 and I play slots at 10p or maybe 20p (occasionally 25p if I'm playing something like Secrets of the Stones), and I don't play Megaways games or really high-variance stuff. I get a good game for my money because my bet size is between 1/500-1000 of my bankroll, and I manage my expectations accordingly.

Usually I'll deposit €20 or 25 and play max 20c stake. On a bad session you can expect that to disappear in 20 minutes but when it's a bit up-down you'll get an hour out of it. TBH after an hour I've usually gotten my fix.
Ofcourse if you're going to play Jammin Jars or Razor Shark expect that deposit to disappear in 5 minutes.

Sometimes, when I've had a win or 2, I like a punt and I'll deposit the same amount to try 40-50c spins.

Lately it's mostly been the former tho. And I withdraw my initial deposit when I double my money. I'm that cheap :oops:
 
That's gambling for you, me personally think if you're going to win, you will, if not money gone no time, I have been on real bad losing streaks more than once over the years, even when the so called rtp, was higher, but in the Last week I been on the best winning streak, ever 10k in 5days is like fucked for me. Iam usually a low roller ,but if I get up . I go for it. Every morning last week a withdraw in my bank account when I wake up. 2 more coming Monday, and Tuesday. It's crazy. But that 10k helped me do shit to my house. It's back to low roller now but what a roll that was, sooner or later you hit, if I can do it anybody can. Lmfao
 
Yeah there needs to be more in-between options out there, games that give you more of a ride. I play low stakes knowing that even if I do ok i'm not going to be winning much, although it might look good relative to my small stake. It's partly because of how muhc spare money i have and partly because its the only way to get a decent amount of time on the games.

I started playing at InTouchGames casinos a few months ago and even though they only have their own games that they make themselves my deposits last loads longer. Like, loads. The games don't look as good, but i dont mind so much about that. The RTPs are lower too, its weird.

I've tried a lot of games that people on here have suggested for low stakes players, and its been more hit and miss. But I would like to bet a bit bigger because its more exciting, but the way most games chew through small bankrolls theres just no point.
 

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