New Slot Announcement Extra Chilli, BTG

[EkJR]

They can’t turn around and say it isn’t.

But we all know it's not, false advertising surely?

 

[nikantw]

Don't you ever read the other posts? Don't you read about the tests and the regulations?

You can bet your house that if they say it is 50/50 it is 50/50.
When something isn't true they don't say it is. They simply avoid to answer directly.

What you experience is the "casino version of 50/50".
Odds are the same with a coin toss but the distribution of the results is completely different. That doesn't mean it is not 50/50.

 

[EkJR]

Don't you ever read the other posts? Don't you read about the tests and the regulations?

You can bet your house that if they say it is 50/50 it is 50/50.
When something isn't true they don't say it is. They simply avoid to answer directly.

What you experience is the "casino version of 50/50".
Odds are the same with a coin toss but the distribution of the results is completely different. That doesn't mean it is not 50/50.

Have to disagree.

Take the 60/40 wheel for example. If this was a true gamble then you would land, theoretically, 60 times out of 100 gambles. Can anyone honestly say that they have even been close to that? The statistics are against their argument that it's a true gamble.

 

[slotter999]

BTG have again insisted that the wheel is a true 50/50 and 60/40 gamble. Where do you even begin with that?

Do your own statistical analysis to either prove or disprove the claim?

Or.....write a pointless post on cm so the usual crowd can chip in with their usual anti-btg-but-i-still-play-em comments.

One of those appeals more to me.

 

[nikantw]

Have to disagree.

Take the 60/40 wheel for example. If this was a true gamble then you would land, theoretically, 60 times out of 100 gambles. Can anyone honestly say that they have even been close to that? The statistics are against their argument that it's a true gamble.

You are talking about the distribution.

 

[EkJR]

You are talking about the distribution.

Am I? Going by a lot of posts on here and on other sites there is a big problem with it then. As I said before, the 12 to 16 gamble, play on fun or for real does not play true. Even if it's out of 1000000 spins, do you really think 600000 of them win?

 

[EkJR]

Do your own statistical analysis to either prove or disprove the claim?

Or.....write a pointless post on cm so the usual crowd can chip in with their usual anti-btg-but-i-still-play-em comments.

One of those appeals more to me.

I don't play for real anymore and a good bit of that is down to this game tbh. Deposits made from the jaws of withdrawals

 

[Jono777]

on another note, I do know one thing for sure...

a cascading 'T' makes getting a cascading 'D' look like a walk in the park

 

[snorky510238]

Don't you ever read the other posts? Don't you read about the tests and the regulations?...

But the player just happens to always be on the negative side of the outcome.

 

[mack341]

I think BTG could have made a better, non tilting, game without the gamble feature, with 12 spins awarded for the bonus plus some +4 scatters and retrigger pots to enable rare 24 spins bonuses, a lower average bonus win could have mathematically replaced the losing gamble. If players want to win big they can always take a risk and play at a higher stake, but we'd still have a game that was much more fun for all.

my own gamble results for the wheel, the small number I tried it, are about 1 in 5 success, never gambled above 12 either as I'd rather have 12 bonus spins than none. If they had to do a gamble wheel they could have made it 80% chance on the first gamble and then 50% on the next and so on

 

[snorky510238]

But we all know it's not, false advertising surely?

It’s the same as a casino advertising a game as being hot. How can it be if it’s random. What has been should have no bearing on what is to come. Again that advert that used to be on tv (can’t remember the casino) it used to say we have paid out £40 million pounds this month. What they should have been made to tell you was how much they kept.

 

[paul7388]

Okay just to back up my point in the other thread why i never gamble the 8 now.

Was on WH there put a bet on for football tonight. Had about 7 or 8 pound left so went to games thinking maybe be able to wager the £20 to get £10 bonus on their daily match.

Opened up Chilli and was about to spin and saw the bonus buy was at £3.50 so went sod it just buy the bonus. Then collected 8 spins and heres the result.

Now maybe it would have paid loads more if i had gambled but i never so will never know. Besides gamble might have lost.

 

[Reelsoffun]

I dont have a massive sample size but the figures I have had are well within the expected variance for the 50/50 and the 60/40 wheels.

However I do strongly think that people are being tricked by there minds as if your wins on the 50/50 wheel dont coincide with the wins on the 60/40 it feels a lot lower than it really is.

For example you go through a rough few gambles on the 50/50 say winning only 2 from 6 then it starts to level out and you start winning those to then get bad run on the 60/40 so by the time you are "due" a few good ones on the 60/40 your relying on getting past the 50/50 most the time which then could have swung back the other way this is something the human brain will tend to distort as way below the average, when it fact it could be near to expected.

Im not saying this is the case for everyone but i bet it will explain some peoples perception.

Something else to consider is that its not the same as a coin flip 50/50 or 1/2 as that has only 2 outcomes, the 50/50 wheel as presented is 5/10 yes its the same 50% but with 10 choices for the RNG to pick rather than 2 it could make it more "streaky" in my opinion

To get a true guide you have to log each gamble wheel outcome separately rather than the whole gamble result as a whole, you then also have to factor in the standard deviation.

But it feels genuine odds to me.

 

[Reelsoffun]

But we all know it's not, false advertising surely?

How do we know its not? What's your sample size and/ or proof?

 

[sledge13]

I think BTG could have made a better, non tilting, game without the gamble feature, with 12 spins awarded for the bonus plus some +4 scatters and retrigger pots to enable rare 24 spins bonuses, a lower average bonus win could have mathematically replaced the losing gamble. If players want to win big they can always take a risk and play at a higher stake, but we'd still have a game that was much more fun for all.

my own gamble results for the wheel, the small number I tried it, are about 1 in 5 success, never gambled above 12 either as I'd rather have 12 bonus spins than none. If they had to do a gamble wheel they could have made it 80% chance on the first gamble and then 50% on the next and so on

To have a slot that let's you buy the feature and then gives you TWO CHANCES TO LOSE is just sooooooooooo wrong.

 

[Reelsoffun]

To have a slot that let's you buy the feature and then gives you TWO CHANCES TO LOSE is just sooooooooooo wrong.

No one is forcing you to buy the feature or gamble it IF you do. And once in a while you will get a feature roll in for 0.00 buy cost that is nice to know when its close.

How is it any different to the BIG BETS that can cost £50 on SD games that then give you a 0.00 feature? No different and they been around for longer.

 

[Spikie]

There is a new video on YouTube , not a streamer either .

£3441.54 from 20p bet

Looks like he had 24 spins.

That is 17200x

Wow !

Uploaded by Owen Baker if you want to see.

 

[nikantw]

Very bad video, looks legit but shows nothing.
What is surprising (or not) is that with so many months, feature buy and gamble, we only see one win like that.

 

[goatwack]

The video doesn't show an awful lot, not the win, just the final count-up

 

[BillyGoldblum]

Feels like the base game is great for wager. The wheel seems to be about 70-30. But for big wins I dont think its a slot to try. You have to gamble too many times to get spins and if you do get there, it doesnt mean it will pay. So the odds stacked against you.

Made it to 16 spins today which is very rare for me. 15 dead spins. And bonus paid 2x. Also got to 12 spins and it paid 8x.

So yeah not a very good slot for anything but try to wager

 

[Jono777]

After more play, its defo a fruit machine, no doubt now.

As for good for wagering, I have to respectfully disagree (for now?) maybe I just caught it wrong but it has destroyed my balance several times this weekend with large drawn out dead spin spells and when the ultra rarity of a feature came, with the exception of one 52x, they were all less than 20x

 

[shadow123]

Think the perceptions of winning and losing on the gamble really distorts our view of the fairness.
If we win , thats good, play the spins, forgotten.If we lose,ok, try again,lose,shit, try again,lose, double shit.
At that point iI think we are already convincing ourselves it is rigged when actually 3 losses on the bounce is
well with probabilities and should be expected along with a few 4s or more.
Who has ever thought it was rigged when winning 3 gambles on the trot.It can be infuriating when you keep losing
and it seems to happen at the worse possible times but actually riigged ? ,I think not .BTG would not risk it and have no reason
to do so.

 

[Jono777]

Not one, not two, not even 3 but 40, yes FORTY - "heartbeat" cascade attempts across recent spins / sessions before it finally dropped, well chuffed to see it was well worth the wait

paid £0.89

 

[shadow123]

you will be saying the heartbeat is rigged soon
I do like the arrows though,nice touch for those who have never
actually seen a T

 

[Jono777]

you will be saying the heartbeat is rigged soon
I do like the arrows though,nice touch for those who have never
actually seen a T

nope

 

[TheresNoDInBonanza]

Not one, not two, not even 3 but 40, yes FORTY - "heartbeat" cascade attempts across recent spins / sessions before it finally dropped, well chuffed to see it was well worth the wait

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paid £0.89

How could you have 40 winning spins and only end up with $0.89?

 

[Jono777]

How could you have 40 winning spins and only end up with $0.89?

no, I meant normal spin, - H - O - small win blows out, chance for 'T' - Fail = 1 try, another small win, another chance for 'T' - fail and so until until 40th opportunity it finally dropped!

Which means if they're truly random and fair, then the next 39 should all come, right?

 

[TheresNoDInBonanza]

no, I meant normal spin, - H - O - small win blows out, chance for 'T' - Fail = 1 try, another small win, another chance for 'T' - fail and so until until 40th opportunity it finally dropped!

Ah I see.

Which means if they're truly random and fair, then the next 39 should all come, right?

Nah that would be the complete opposite of random

 

[BillyGoldblum]

@Big Time Gaming

Hey im sure you answered this already and sorry for asking again I am sure you are busy.

Just want to say this is one of my fav slots now (changed my tune a bit) and play it every day. And I saw the claims all over twitch and forums the wheel is not 50/50. I have a feeling that the wheel is built into the rtp and its not true 50/50. Curious if you could go back and ask your designers?

Ive been saving my 50/50 gambles from on stream and when viewers join in and buy them and off stream. So far I have 350 attempts at the 50/50 gamble and I have won 120/352 attempts. It seems its built into the rtp or possible around 30%.

One of my streamer friends bought about 2000 of these and his 50/50 gamble was around 712/2000 Ive also tried reading through this thread to find the info and have seen most players all say its around 30% too

I dont think its an attempt to mislead or anything but I just feel like its mistaken?

Either way I do enjoy it I feel the base game is pretty friendly and the coins come in fairly often

Thanks!

 

[lockinlove]

Is that all DoDo has is 2000 buys? Has to be way more than that no? I guess 2k buys is alot but I mean he really went wild on that thing for so many hours and so many days weeks months

 

[TheresNoDInBonanza]

Man I must've got lucky, I reckon I probably had 70/30 on the first wheel.

But probably 20/80 on the second

 

[Big Time Gaming]

@Big Time Gaming

Hey im sure you answered this already and sorry for asking again I am sure you are busy.

Just want to say this is one of my fav slots now (changed my tune a bit) and play it every day. And I saw the claims all over twitch and forums the wheel is not 50/50. I have a feeling that the wheel is built into the rtp and its not true 50/50. Curious if you could go back and ask your designers?

Ive been saving my 50/50 gambles from on stream and when viewers join in and buy them and off stream. So far I have 350 attempts at the 50/50 gamble and I have won 120/352 attempts. It seems its built into the rtp or possible around 30%.

One of my streamer friends bought about 2000 of these and his 50/50 gamble was around 712/2000 Ive also tried reading through this thread to find the info and have seen most players all say its around 30% too

I dont think its an attempt to mislead or anything but I just feel like its mistaken?

Either way I do enjoy it I feel the base game is pretty friendly and the coins come in fairly often

Thanks!

Hey Billy,

Where the overall confusion lies here on those stats which look real, (if the following is the case) is that be that the player busts out on 16 which would be statistically correct as .5*.6 = 30% (odds from gambling twice). The odds shown on the wheel are true to the graphical detail. 50:50 then 60:40.

Any other questions let me know.

 

[kretz1]

Feels like the base game is great for wager. The wheel seems to be about 70-30. But for big wins I dont think its a slot to try. You have to gamble too many times to get spins and if you do get there, it doesnt mean it will pay. So the odds stacked against you.

Made it to 16 spins today which is very rare for me. 15 dead spins. And bonus paid 2x. Also got to 12 spins and it paid 8x.

So yeah not a very good slot for anything but try to wager

As my strat on this game always been, never gamble the feature. Worked out fine for me, take what you get.
But it seems more dead lately than usual. No 100 x features, base game hits are better.

 

[09237653]

Sorry to sound stupid, but if one plays extra chilli and 'plays safe' by only ever collecting the 8 spins (no feature buy), with the paytable explicitly saying that gambling your spins every time is the best strategy, does that mean I have no realistic chance of ever reaching the stated RTP with this kind of play?

 

[paul7388]

Sorry to sound stupid, but if one plays extra chilli and 'plays safe' by only ever collecting the 8 spins (no feature buy), with the paytable explicitly saying that gambling your spins every time is the best strategy does that mean I have no realistic chance of ever reaching the stated RTP with this kind of play?

Not sure. All i know is that i have had bigger wins on the 8 spins than 16, 20 or 24

 

[09237653]

Not sure. All i know is that i have had bigger wins on the 8 spins than 16, 20 or 24

Have had a few 100x bonus rounds on 8 spins and 200x in base game but the way the bonus is with the multiplier and the gamble it does feel like a lot of the rtp is effectively locked out by this kind of safer play.

Although there is the flip side of lost gambles, if you gamble every time you will lose more often than win so does that counter it.

 

[Nicola]

I'm 10k up this month on Extra Chilli. Started off with 20p/40p bets and in the last week tried £1 and £2 bets. Several screenies in the appropriate thread

Personally, I've found that gambling to 12 spins is best and the occurrence of retriggers occurs often. Twice in the past week I've had 5 scatters to start which have retriggered for the big wins.

This morning I have been told I am now limited to £2000 per week withdrawals, so my Extra Chilli fun has now come to an end at FSB casinos

 

[Jono777]

Aw man only 2K a week, bummer!

 

[sledge13]

I'm 10k up this month on Extra Chilli. Started off with 20p/40p bets and in the last week tried £1 and £2 bets. Several screenies in the appropriate thread

Personally, I've found that gambling to 12 spins is best and the occurrence of retriggers occurs often. Twice in the past week I've had 5 scatters to start which have retriggered for the big wins.

This morning I have been told I am now limited to £2000 per week withdrawals, so my Extra Chilli fun has now come to an end at FSB casinos

Was you buying the feature?

 

[Nicola]

Was you buying the feature?

Only the last one of the night. I always try to round off withdrawals at 500, 1000 etc.

 

[lockinlove]

Hey Billy,

Where the overall confusion lies here on those stats which look real, (if the following is the case) is that be that the player busts out on 16 which would be statistically correct as .5*.6 = 30% (odds from gambling twice). The odds shown on the wheel are true to the graphical detail. 50:50 then 60:40.

Any other questions let me know.

Just curious if there is a place where we can see the reports on the 50/50 audit?

I just saw a streamer rage quit his stream after losing 8 out of 10.. next batch 7 out of 10 and last batch 10 out of 10. So 5 wins out of 30 gambles on the 50/50 wheel.

I mean maybe everyone on here is just having bad luck and everyone on twitch and youtube and we arent seeing others win who dont post in public but yeah just curious if I can read the report somewhere?

 

[theapple]

I'm 10k up this month on Extra Chilli. Started off with 20p/40p bets and in the last week tried £1 and £2 bets. Several screenies in the appropriate thread

Personally, I've found that gambling to 12 spins is best and the occurrence of retriggers occurs often. Twice in the past week I've had 5 scatters to start which have retriggered for the big wins.

This morning I have been told I am now limited to £2000 per week withdrawals, so my Extra Chilli fun has now come to an end at FSB casinos

aww you poor soul :/



i still dont like the game though

 

[Jono777]

Pre match excitement ends in pure rage yet again

Included a three pot re-trigger too

Rigged Bullshit, there, sensible times over!

 

[goatwack]

Pre match excitement ends in pure rage yet again

View attachment 99410

Included a three pot re-trigger too

Rigged Bullshit, there, sensible times over!

I was counting the minutes until you uttered those words

9 days, 4 hours, 16 minutes & 31 seconds

 

[slotmaster]

Pre match excitement ends in pure rage yet again

View attachment 99410

Included a three pot re-trigger too

Rigged Bullshit, there, sensible times over!

WTF! That's all you got for that many spins?

 

[Jono777]

Yup!

PC survived ...Just! - Defo a dive in the kitchen for a cig moment if ever there was one!

 

[Jono777]

@Big Time Gaming

No accusations but when you get chance can you take a look at the Extra Chilli game your end please?

WE all known 'gremlins' can creep into the works from time to time, sometimes without us even realising.

My query: The feature drop reduction coins seem to have gone AWOL from the source code!!!

Appreciate they're random but super large sample over different days/times/sessions - plus this is my most played slot so plenty of experience of roughly how often they appear(ed)

Most recently 3 x 200+ spins and NOT ONE - which I find VERY strange?????

Thanks for your time and help, it is appreciated

 

[goatwack]

I'm really curious as to what answer you expect BTG to give, Jon

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Dear Jono,

It's a fair cop gov, we done gone screwed up, here is £5000 for your trouble.

Love,

BTG.

And then Jono wakes up.

 

[joerdj]

It just kept going