Evolution Live Roulette - the most awesome thread of conspiracy theorists

[goatwack]

I think everything's been unearthed halfway through the thread, so continually proving the same gameplay patterns has been lost in the mire.

It's also a spectacular way of losing money when no one's mind is going to be changed any further on the subject.

I won't be touching it with a barge pole, but one need only look at how casinos are integrating Evolution into their portfolio to see it's not going away anytime soon.

If I wanted the definitive Roulette experience though, I'd pick land-based over this charade any day of the week

 

[TheAddict]

There was a guy who used to play roullette in a pretty degenerate fashion at a casino i used to play NL holdem at sometimes. By degenerate i mean all the time, where the winnings were really just money for the next time if he would win.
One time he lost a few thousand K,, decided to drive back to his place which was some 60+ miles away in order to get £25 that he had left at home and drive back to try and win his money back (why i dont know, that he didnt just save the petrol and wait until next time, since it was always going back in eventually anyway). Well he come back with his 25, lost it in a matter of minutes and drove home again. Thats commitment

 

[Jono777]

That's addiction at its bloody finest lol!

 

[goatwack]

And if he'd won the few K back that night, he'd have likely re-lost those funds...on the spot

Nasty stuff

 

[kelapa]

That's just sad. And that casino shouldn't let him back in.

 

[kelapa]

Im also confused at how it makes everyone who is playing lose at the same time and would need much more evidence of this.

Already posted various valid theories about that, many times in this thread... including as a direct response to you, I'm pretty sure.

One more time, for the hell of it:

It's perfectly doable to select the numbers that are being bet on the least in a specific round, and to move the ball there.

Theoretical example:
There are 50 players at the table. Those 50 players have divided their chips across all the numbers. But the number 22 has been chipped the least.
Then it's simply a matter of maneuvering the ball there. There will still be a few winners, but the house ensures that it rakes in the maximum profit.

P.S. When it's late at night, there are far fewer players online, and the rigging becomes more blatantly visible.
That's when the absurdly weird shit starts happening, and that's when I did my notorious little experiment of covering all numbers except 5 (for three spins in a row).

 

[Borgie]

Who decided your theories are valid? Honestly i think you need to vote with your wallet and move on.

 

[kelapa]

Not many people want to throw money at a game designed to beat them, which can do so in a rapid amount of time in order to chase a losing streak to confirm your claims. Even More so if they don't enjoy playing it.

Very understandable. Yet if you look at the English Harbour thread, there is zero visual evidence posted and everyone immediately goes to have a shot at the rigged game.

Ah well, different times, different game. The few people here that did have a shot at Evo seem to be convinced though.

There are (imo and a fair few others it seems) some dodgy looking ball manoeuvres youve posted.
But the extra long mammoth sessions of this constantly happening 20 or 25+ times in a row weren't recorded. So while many people might want to beleive you, its hard to do without backing up the most important of claims you keep making - considering this is said to happen every time.

Yeah, it's a bit of a hassle to set up the video... especially without it interfering with the speed of the stream.

When I first got it going, my mouse pointer would be lagging behind.
And the ball kept falling EXACTLY on the one area that I was too late to chip, which led to many interesting combinations of shaking my head in disbelief, that same head hitting my keyboard, and sitting back with a sigh of exasperation. You know what I mean.

Again, i want to believe you. Some of your vids had me wondering wtf just happened there.
Though you say its guaranteed that after a heavy losing session the last spin is a guaranteed win. Maybe it has been, but we don't know that. All we know is what we see - which unfortunately has not been much of all of what you claimed other than cherry picked few minutes (which were the weirdesr things ive seen on a roulette table, but then i dont play it myself).
So yes, people are left with making light hearted or lame jokes for replies since without those recordings or many others claiming the same, theres not much else that can be said.
Apolagies for not being able to come up with a lame joke this time either, bit tired.
I doubt the lack of taking you seriously is even due to too many people crying wolf over this game. It is the lack of evidence showing these statistically improbable sessions you claim to keep having on a very consistant basis. Im not suggesting you deliberately dont record them. But if they happen all the time, then it painfully hurts your case that you didnt!

I appreciate all that.
For what little it's worth, I'm possibly the least crackpot person I know. It took me months myself, endlessly seeing the same bizarre occurrences getting repeated, before I finally accepted for 100.1% certain that this was not an extraordinary concatenation of coincidences.

But yeah, nothing beats hard data.
And I've only provided that in part.

Stalemate (for now)?

 

[kelapa]

Who decided your theories are valid?

It's just a theory. One way that it could be done. And it's one that would work, if executed according to my description. So yes, valid.

Honestly i think you need to vote with your wallet and move on.

Long done!

 

[cncas2123]

Very understandable. Yet if you look at the English Harbour thread, there is zero visual evidence posted and everyone immediately goes to have a shot at the rigged game.

Ah well, different times, different game. The few people here that did have a shot at Evo seem to be convinced though.



Yeah, it's a bit of a hassle to set up the video... especially without it interfering with the speed of the stream.

When I first got it going, my mouse pointer would be lagging behind.
And the ball kept falling EXACTLY on the one area that I was too late to chip, which led to many interesting combinations of shaking my head in disbelief, that same head hitting my keyboard, and sitting back with a sigh of exasperation. You know what I mean.



I appreciate all that.
For what little it's worth, I'm possibly the least crackpot person I know. It took me months myself, endlessly seeing the same bizarre occurrences getting repeated, before I finally accepted for 100.1% certain that this was not an extraordinary concatenation of coincidences.

But yeah, nothing beats hard data.
And I've only provided that in part.

Stalemate (for now)?

But how is it possible it knew exactly what number you were going to chip but didn’t chip?? That statement makes no sense at all.

 

[goatwack]

'Concatenation'

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Yup, it's a legit word

 

[cncas2123]

'Concatenation'

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Yup, it's a legit word

That’s my new word for today, and I’m sure I’m not the only one who will google it

 

[paul7388]

That’s my new word for today, and I’m sure I’m not the only one who will google it

I had already googled it

 

[cncas2123]

That’s my new word for today, and I’m sure I’m not the only one who will google it

No such thing as a rigged slot/game its all just a concatenation

 

[goatwack]

I'd lean more towards it being ostrobogulous, personally speaking

 

[cncas2123]

I might agree if I knew WTF it meant ......

 

[paul7388]

I'd lean more towards it being ostrobogulous, personally speaking

googled that as well.

Anyway can we get back to the serious stuff in this thread

 

[kelapa]

But how is it possible it knew exactly what number you were going to chip but didn’t chip?? That statement makes no sense at all.

That was just legit shitty luck... unless the Maltese have channeled telepathy through Javascript somehow.

 

[kelapa]

'Concatenation'

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Yup, it's a legit word

Told you I'm a programmer.
Apart from The Human Centipede, that's probably the only context in which you get to use that word.

 

[goatwack]

Told you I'm a programmer.
Apart from The Human Centipede, that's probably the only context in which you get to use that word.

I think by the third film it had lost some of its high art

 

[kelapa]

Another peculiar development.
Supposedly, the wheel gets physically inspected every day between 1pm and 3pm.

Yet I've not once, in all my years, seen any of these inspections happen.
So I kept an eye on the table during this time frame.
The camera was running 24/7 as always, but nope.. no inspection.

Guess Evolution don't mind a flat-out lie or two.

 

[goatwack]

You might not know the level of inspection going on.

It may well be the Pit Boss shuffling on to the floor, taking a nonchalant glance at the Roulette wheel, scratching his nose and saying "Yeah", before slinking off into the staff canteen

 

[kelapa]

Nope, they told me the wheel gets physically inspected at those times every day.
I asked for an explanation.

me: so when was the table inspection?
Bruno: Hello.
Bruno: Please explain your concern in more details.
me: i was told this table gets inspected every day between 1 and 3 pm
me: yet i didn't see any inspection
Bruno: Please precise who told you that.
me: Nick told me that
me: don't kill him pls

It's been 10 minutes of radio silence since then. I fear for my boy Nicky.

 

[goatwack]

Swimming with the fishes, most likely

 

[kelapa]

Ah..

me: so no inspection after all?
Bruno: Could you pleases state exactly who Nick is.
me: Nick from this live support
(another long silence)
me: does this wheel get inspected between 1pm and 3pm every day or not?
Bruno: What do you mean by inspection ?
Bruno: The wheel is cleaned at that time.
me: i was told the wheel gets inspected by the risk fraud management team
Bruno: There is no such inspection.
me: well, guess i've been lied to for almost a year then
Bruno: We apologize for misleading.

 

[goatwack]

It's a no from Bruno

 

[kelapa]

It's a no from Bruno

Yeah, he probably knows better after seeing what happened to his pal Nick.
Goodnight, sweet prince

 

[kelapa]

He's probably sat behind his desk with his hands still shaking from burying his mate in the desert in time before the sun rises.

 

[kelapa]

RIP Nick from Live Support
~
swimming with the scorpions​

 

[goatwack]

A lot of holes in the desert, and a lot of problems are buried in those holes

 

[kelapa]

Gave it a shot today. Started with 15 euros. To my complete shock, I started winning.
Went so well that I decided to make 200 euros my goal, then withdraw 150 of that.. and continue playing with 50.

Unfortunately, when I reached 199.50 (yes, exactly 199.50) it all came crashing down.
From that point on, the ball started doing its tricks again. It landed on a major winner every single spin, but started vibrating and jumping out and finding the closest losing spot.

I should've cashed the remaining 90 euros, but didn't.

It went on for fourteen more spins, each of them with the exact same bizarre ball behaviour. Not once did the weird jumps land anywhere except on one of the SEVEN completely unchipped numbers.

I know I've technically only lost € 15, and I should've known better than think they wouldn't turn on the old buzzing ball on me. Miffed.

On a positive note, I WON! Evolution has let me win (before grinding me to a pulp)!

tldr: 15 > 199.50 > 0

 

[goatwack]

So these cads gave you a 184.50 Euros head start but balked at the last 0.5 Euro, and pulled the plug?

The swines!

 

[paul7388]

Now i am totally convinced it is Rigged.

How else can it be explained. Telepathically they knew he is withdrawing at 200 so they decided to have fun and let you get to 199.5 before laughing and rigging the wheel again.

So sick the torture they put you through

 

[kelapa]

Now i am totally convinced it is Rigged.

How else can it be explained. Telepathically they knew he is withdrawing at 200 so they decided to have fun and let you get to 199.5 before laughing and rigging the wheel again.

So sick the torture they put you through

So these cads gave you a 184.50 Euros head start but balked at the last 0.5 Euro, and pulled the plug?

The swines!

Oh shush, you negative nellies.
Today, a miracle has happened. Let me bask in this.

 

[sufferinsilence]

Could've cashed 150 and gone on with 49.50! But I know how that works...

 

[kelapa]

Could've cashed 150 and gone on with 49.50! But I know how that works...

To be honest, it's better to just cash in everything.
After a withdrawal, you'll lose any further rounds that you'll play. Just how it is.

 

[sufferinsilence]

To be honest, it's better to just cash in everything.
After a withdrawal, you'll lose any further rounds that you'll play. Just how it is.

Tinfoil hat alert: always happens on the slots too...

 

[bradztheman]

Read my thread...

Live Roulette rigged at high stakes?

 

[kelapa]

Tinfoil hat alert: always happens on the slots too...

Probably! I've only tried slots a handful of times. Not my game. I don't like gambling if there's no element of skill involved.
With roulette you can at least have a stab at predicting the trajectory of the ball. (Unless that ball happens to get controlled, of course.)

 

[kelapa]

Anyway, today I made 170 euro with football bets.
Decided to test the Evo table again.

I was frankly too terrified to try and predict the ball's movements, like I usually do.
I knew that whatever I'd do, I'd lose.
So I simply decided to put 10 euros on black each round until I'd win a round. No pattern prediction, just good old 50/50 (well, almost).

Results:
red
red
red
red
red
red
red
red
red
red
red
red
red
red
red
red
red

Yep, that's right. Seventeen reds in a row. Not a single win. All profit evaporated.
The next round it fell on black.

For good measure, about five of those spins, the ball very clearly fell on a black number and sat there for almost a full second - completely motionless - before starting to tremble like it was getting tazed, after which it hopped into its red neighbour. Exactly the way I've described (and shown) here countless times.

Why do I still bother? I have no idea. Some stupid part of me may actually still believe it's not rigged and I just happen to have the most unbelievable, beyond god-sized streak of shit luck.
But I know that's statistically impossible. Not just talking about these seventeen reds here, but the entire sum total of all the bizarre events that I've described in this thread. Every single time I go to that table, it's always some completely insane string of results.

And to this day, I am STILL waiting for one of those tazed, trembling balls to hop into a winning number, instead of out of it.

 

[TheresNoDInBonanza]

Anyway, today I made 170 euro with football bets.
Decided to test the Evo table again.

I was frankly too terrified to try and predict the ball's movements, like I usually do.
I knew that whatever I'd do, I'd lose.
So I simply decided to put 10 euros on black each round until I'd win a round. No pattern prediction, just good old 50/50 (well, almost).

Results:
red
red
red
red
red
red
red
red
red
red
red
red
red
red
red
red
red

Yep, that's right. Seventeen reds in a row. Not a single win. All profit evaporated.
The next round it fell on black.

For good measure, about five of those spins, the ball very clearly fell on a black number and sat there for almost a full second - completely motionless - before starting to tremble like it was getting tazed, after which it hopped into its red neighbour. Exactly the way I've described (and shown) here countless times.

Why do I still bother? I have no idea. Some stupid part of me may actually still believe it's not rigged and I just happen to have the most unbelievable, beyond god-sized streak of shit luck.
But I know that's statistically impossible. Not just talking about these seventeen reds here, but the entire sum total of all the bizarre events that I've described in this thread. Every single time I go to that table, it's always some completely insane string of results.

And to this day, I am STILL waiting for one of those tazed, trembling balls to hop into a winning number, instead of out of it.

Cool story, can't wait to see the video so we can blow this scandal wide open.

 

[kelapa]

Cool story, can't wait to see the video so we can blow this scandal wide open.

Do you benefit in any way from reacting like that, while you don't even know anything about roulette, let alone play at this specific table?
Just curious.

 

[TheresNoDInBonanza]

Do you benefit in any way from reacting like that, while you don't even know anything about roulette, let alone play at this specific table?
Just curious.

Yes.

 

[TheresNoDInBonanza]

I suppose I'll elaborate.
This site is filled with people shouting "rigged!" Most don't have their own 43 page thread mind you- it gets really tiresome but I still gave you the benefit of the doubt despite claims of absolutely improbable runs we all asked the reasonable request: "if it's so repeatable then let's see a video of it occurring so we can get these guys in hot water".

But every video you've shown has been kind of bad luck but nothing one wouldn't expect. You then go on to self report more colossal runs of impossibly bad luck but as always; no convincing video evidence.

It just seems like you've lost the plot really.

 

[kelapa]

Well, I could have shown you the betting history. Not sure if I can still retrieve it now, but I'll try.

Pretty much the same thing happened today anyway:

Each of those spins had at least a 68% chance of making a profit.
And so it goes every time.

 

[TheresNoDInBonanza]

I'm no roulette expert but how do you get a 68% chance of profit?

 

[goatwack]

I'm no roulette expert but how do you get a 68% chance of profit?

You eliminate a third of the opposition

 

[kelapa]

I'm no roulette expert but how do you get a 68% chance of profit?

For example, by putting 5 euros on 1-18, 3 euros on 13-24, 0.5 euro on zero.

That's not how I would normally do it myself, but with those chips, the only way you lose is if the ball falls on 25 - 36. Everything else is different ratios of profit:

zero: 10.5 euros profit
1-12: 1.5 euros profit
13-18: 11.5 euros profit
19-24: 0.5 euros profit


(Obviously, if I would play like that.. then the ball would keep landing on 25 - 36 for as long as it takes to eliminate my balance.)

 

[kelapa]

Guess during which two rounds I had my money on 0, 2, 4, 6 and 8?


(I'm well aware that those curious streaks are there to bait you, but I can't help humouring them from time to time.)


Also - speak of the devil - I'm only there for a few minutes and somebody in chat says: "9 bets 66% chance of winning and i lost them all"
Yep, that's Evo's XXL profit margin right there..

 

[cncas2123]

Guess during which two rounds I had my money on 0, 2, 4, 6 and 8?


(I'm well aware that those curious streaks are there to bait you, but I can't help humouring them from time to time.)


Also - speak of the devil - I'm only there for a few minutes and somebody in chat says: "9 bets 66% chance of winning and i lost them all"
Yep, that's Evo's XXL profit margin right there..

So you had no bets on the 10 spins that hit those numbers, then you put a bet on them all on spin 11 which missed, and then took all the bets off for spin 12 which hit 2, then put them all on again???
Why wait for 10 spins to put them on????