Evolution Live Roulette - the most awesome thread of conspiracy theorists

[kelapa]

The latest numbers on Evo's roulette: 0 30 0 30 0 30 0 30 2 25 30 0 30

The 2 and 25 happened when I gave in and put some money on 0 and 30.


Apart from that bit of fun, I've mostly just been observing a bit.
Everyone is losing. Everyone is calling them frauds. Everyone tearing their hair out over how the ball jumps out of their winning areas every single round.

I dipped my toes in for seven rounds (each with 68% chance of winning). Lost all of them.
Then, for good measure, I covered every number except the zero area for four rounds. Results: 26 26 0 35

Everybody else was complaining about exactly the same shit: that the ball would only find their numbers whenever they took their chips off them, usually the very same round.

 

[AndyP24]

The latest numbers on Evo's roulette: 0 30 0 30 0 30 0 30 2 25 30 0 30

The 2 and 25 happened when I gave in and put some money on 0 and 30.

Can you post a screenshot of this?

All of your most wild claims seem to never be backed up by screenshots.

 

[kelapa]

Can you post a screenshot of this?

All of your most wild claims seem to never be backed up by screenshots.

It's not even by far the wildest thing you'll see there, btw.
Go there. Ask around. Have a few spins if you must.

 

[AndyP24]

It's not even by far the wildest thing you'll see there, btw.
Go there. Ask around. Have a few spins if you must.

Fair enough apologies! I guess though over millions of spins runs like this will come up.

Who's to say during this time somebody wasn't going massive on zero? Why would they rig your results when you bet so little?

 

[kelapa]

Fair enough apologies! I guess though over millions of spins runs like this will come up.

Who's to say during this time somebody wasn't going massive on zero? Why would they rig your results when you bet so little?

I guess they're terribly petty on Malta.
Alternatively, if you add all the rigged spins up, it really doesn't amount to that little.

And I regularly see punters in the chat complaining that they lost thousands because of all the above-mentioned weirdness. It's most definitely not just me.
Lots of people independently describing the same dodgy behaviours in roughly the same way.

Also, I'm STILL waiting for these "random" ball jumps and back-pedals to ever turn out to my advantage.
Not once does it bounce off an unchipped slot to end up in a winning one. It's always the opposite, always to the advantage of the house. Like clockwork.

 

[kelapa]

Another conclusion:

Evolution has the only roulette table in the world where the more numbers you chip, the smaller the chance you hit any of them.
(Not even talking about net profit or anything. Just the basic chance of hitting a number which has any amount of chips on it.)

You can chip every single number on the board except for the zero area, and you can safely assume the ball will land on the zero area ten times in a row. Let me be clear: this is no exaggeration.

I assume this is because bigger bets trigger some kind of EXTRA DOUBLE PLUS GREED mode in Evolution's software.
It doesn't matter if you only stand a 1% chance of it falling on a completely unchipped number. The ball will find that number, endlessly, without a single exception.

 

[TheresNoDInBonanza]

You can chip every single number on the board except for the zero area, and you can safely assume the ball will land on the zero area ten times in a row. Let me be clear: this is no exaggeration.

If it's no exaggeration then show a video of it occurring and they'd be shit canned.

I'm not saying they are legit or not legit, never played them, but you keep saying these crazy acts of impossible odds occur but your videos are only ever a small selection of unlikely but not improbable occurrences you'd expect given random distributions.

 

[sufferinsilence]

Evolution provides a number of roulette tables, do they all have the same behaviour or only the most used one? Have you tried changing to another table? Or even better: have you tried to change to another provider?

 

[kelapa]

Evolution provides a number of roulette tables, do they all have the same behaviour or only the most used one? Have you tried changing to another table? Or even better: have you tried to change to another provider?

The problem is exclusively with Evolution tables, as far as I know. And not just this specific one.
I've tried two or three others (definitely Lightning and Double Ball). No good.

 

[kelapa]

If it's no exaggeration then show a video of it occurring and they'd be shit canned.

They won't be in any trouble, no matter what I post.

I'm not saying they are legit or not legit, never played them, but you keep saying these crazy acts of impossible odds occur but your videos are only ever a small selection of unlikely but not improbable occurrences you'd expect given random distributions.

I think you meant "impossible" instead of "improbable". And that's exactly what they'll hide behind. No matter how insane the outcome, it'll always just be a "freak occurrence". Even if it's twenty "freak occurrences" in a row.

Evolution will shrug. The commissions will shrug. This forum will shrug.
It's always easier to believe that people have good intentions, I suppose.

Then again, I don't see anyone in this thread playing at these tables. Good for them, but if you've not been there, don't pish posh my claims.

 

[kelapa]

So, the whole thing looks scripted to the extreme.
Certain numbers are meant to follow up certain specific numbers.

It can quite easily be predicted, like this:

(In the chat, I'm typing my prediction for this round.)

But my predictions ONLY turn out if I don't put money on it.
If I had put a chip on 20 during this round, the ball would not have landed there.

Also note the verrrrrrry long spin, which is a sign that you can expect a rigged result on this table. When it happens, you know you've already lost.

The verrrrrry long spin is followed by a typically bizarre jump from number 22 to the eventual winning number.

For the record, this was the very first attempt. I didn't just record a whole lot of failed rounds and leave those out.
Hmm, maybe I should record a bunch of them in a row.

Funny: I used to tip people off on these predictable numbers. I couldn't win anything myself, so I used my pattern recognition skills to at least help others out. I'd get it right about 9 out of 10 times.

Could it be that what I'm doing is like countings cards at a blackjack table?
And Evo have basically blacklisted me from ever winning again? It's a pretty wild theory, but it really, really does feel like that.

 

[ed skull murphy]

It's not even by far the wildest thing you'll see there, btw.
Go there. Ask around. Have a few spins if you must.

But these crazy sequences do occur, occasionally, that's the nature of a completely random game. But if you are tuned in you can exploit these freak occurences, rather than trying to beat the wheel mathematically.

From years of playing roulette, I can confidently say that final zero repeats happen a lot, I think it has something to do with where they are positioned on the wheel.

 

[kelapa]

But these crazy sequences do occur, occasionally, that's the nature of a completely random game. But if you are tuned in you can exploit these freak occurences, rather than trying to beat the wheel mathematically.

From years of playing roulette, I can confidently say that final zero repeats happen a lot, I think it has something to do with where they are positioned on the wheel.

Oh yes, absolutely! I'm all about the pattern recognition.
If a dealer rolls the ball with a steady enough hand, then you can roughly predict where it might land next.
I've won a lot of money that way (although you have to wait until a steady enough dealer comes around).

And the ball still very often lands exactly where I predicted. But - if I've got money on it - it then gets moved away from that area.

Same when I tried to bet on 0 and 30 during that weird sequence. The ball would very clearly land and sit still for a second on 30 or 0 neighbours, but then would get pulled back out of its slot and moved away from it - ONLY during the two spins that I played.

 

[Xclockersx]

Oh yes, absolutely! I'm all about the pattern recognition.
If a dealer rolls the ball with a steady enough hand, then you can roughly predict where it might land next.
I've won a lot of money that way (although you have to wait until a steady enough dealer comes around).

And the ball still very often lands exactly where I predicted. But - if I've got money on it - it then gets moved away from that area.

Same when I tried to bet on 0 and 30 during that weird sequence. The ball would very clearly land and sit still for a second on 30 or 0 neighbours, but then would get pulled back out of its slot and moved away from it - ONLY during the two spins that I played.

Are you still losing constantly to roulette??

 

[kelapa]

Who is the Evolution rep here again?

edit:
Just got in touch with the

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Asked them what they exactly do to ensure Evolution's tables aren't rigged.

I expect another evasive non-answer, but at least I tried...

 

[Xclockersx]

Perhaps your just “unlucky” for the 100th time yeah right everything screams rigged about it

 

[kelapa]

Just got in touch with the

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Asked them what they exactly do to ensure Evolution's tables aren't rigged.

I expect another evasive non-answer, but at least I tried...

Got this back:

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Hello,
In case of any claims, please contact jurisdictions legal authority, where your online gambling operator is licensed.

Jānis Ungurs
Izložu un azartspēļu uzraudzības inspekcija
Juridiskā departamenta direktors
Lotteries and gambling supervisory inspection
Republic of Latvia
Director of Legal department
Tālrunis/Phone: +37167504952
Fakss:+37167504966

-----Original Message-----
From: Azartspēļu Inspekcija
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2018 8:51 AM
To: Jānis Ungurs <[email protected]>
Subject: FW: *** SPAM *** [4.9/4.0] Evolution Roulette

Nereģistrēts. Lūdzu izvērtē, vai mums jāsniedz kāda atbilde?

Daiga Tetere
Vecākā lietvede

Izložu un azartspēļu uzraudzības inspekcija Brīvības 33, Rīga LV1010

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So who exactly is the "jurisdictions legal authority" of Evolution, if these guys aren't it?

 

[kelapa]

Perhaps your just “unlucky” for the 100th time yeah right everything screams rigged about it

Yep.
For some people, it'll never scream loud enough though.

 

[kelapa]

Another typical telling moment in the chat:

Alvignac1913
ive only left 5 numbers and it falls on those numbers 5 out of 8 spins
VictorT014
i'll go back to playing fortnite. at least it's free
Alvignac1913
WTF
Sling
been like that for years
k.hn
come on. what is this??
roymgmt
she cant spin worth shit
k.hn
******** ***** 3 times
nike25
this roulette is really weird
roymgmt
cant win anything here

 

[neilw]

So who exactly is the "jurisdictions legal authority" of Evolution, if these guys aren't it?

Licensing jurisdictions are listed here

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You can contact the one that covers the location where you're playing from. Check with the casino you're playing through to see what licenses they are using for their Evolution games and go from there.

You can research what the remote license covers for Live Games, I think it's already been discussed in this thread someone, as has the compliance processes Evolution has in place.

The issue you'll have is whether you believe what anyone is saying. Sadly I don't think there is anything that will placate you or others that think Evolution are cheaters.

 

[kelapa]

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You can contact the one that covers the location where you're playing from. Check with the casino you're playing through to see what licenses they are using for their Evolution games and go from there.

Oh dear, it's the old runaround then..
Those people will just send me back to the Maltese or one of the other orgs.

The issue you'll have is whether you believe what anyone is saying. Sadly I don't think there is anything that will placate you or others that think Evolution are cheaters.

Admitting that there appears to be a problem would go some way.
But I could wave a series of twenty zeroes in a row in their face and they would still shrug it off.

Nobody can provide a shred of evidence that Evolution's wheels get inspected inside and out. They claim that these inspections are recorded, but those records are not available to the public. Very reassuring.
I guess this is a perfectly closed system of corruption.

In the meantime, they can continue ripping people off. Nobody does anything. For shame.

 

[Xclockersx]

Same rigged crap lighting roulette lost 40 £ it just avoiding every single number All there doing is using magnets

 

[Xclockersx]

Was I just unlucky that time aswell???

 

[Xclockersx]

Lost on lighting roulette again

 

[kelapa]

Lost on lighting roulette again

Just stay away from them. Log out, find something else to do.

Whatever numbers you chip (even if it's nearly all of them), they will make sure that the ball lands anywhere but there.
You have ZERO chance of winning.

It's a lost cause. There's nothing that can be done against these bastards.
All we can hope for is that this 27 page thread gets enough attention, so that everyone will know to avoid the scum.

 

[Xclockersx]

Yeah man funny how when you bet 5 8 11 nothing happens.. soon as you don’t bet them there hot numbers out all the time also they’ll avoid your numbers or make it go next to your jackpot number ha

 

[kelapa]

Yeah man funny how when you bet 5 8 11 nothing happens.. soon as you don’t bet them there hot numbers out all the time also they’ll avoid your numbers or make it go next to your jackpot number ha

That is literally, word for word, exactly what happens every single spin, every single day.

They don't just move the ball so that it doesn't land on your numbers; they make sure that it lands EXACTLY one spot next to them.
Great way to infuriate the player, and at the same time make him believe that he's SO CLOSE to winning... But of course, he never does.

Whatever technique(s) they use to maneuver the ball, it's frighteningly accurate. They can place it anywhere they like.

 

[Xclockersx]

Agreed it’s like the machines in the bookies I’ll bet 8 and 11 everytime I get 30 non stop and people tell me is “bad luck” it’s happend all day everyday for that to happen you would have more chance of pigs flying so if I go in and bet max on 30 I’ll get it 2/3 yeah right

 

[PaaskeDenmark]

Yes, similar to the above post: with live-streamed Roulette they can have literally 100's of players betting on just one wheel at the same time. Even if it were only a dozen or so players, chances are all numbers are covered... so how do they pick which player to rip-off?

No matter where, when or how players place their bets on Roulette, the house WILL make it's 2.27% of every single bet in the long run - it's like a 24/7 money printing machine for them!
Why on earth would they risk having that machine taken away from them just to try to make a few extra %? They would be insane.
It's not rigging - it's called luck.

KK

I am just quoting the good comment from KK from start of this thread. Must say i am somewhat surprised of all the latest posts and why this thread keeps going on. Any casino will make at least 2.27% profit from all players and there is no need for them to fix the wheel. Also why would they do that risking to get caught?? I agree sometimes ball jumps a bit strange but would be just as strange if it fell smooth straight into a number every time?

Just making my comment could write a lot more of my opinion but I would imagine its for deaf ears

 

[Xclockersx]

This is what annoys me getting caught by who? The gambling commission that don’t even exist and even if they did.... who’s to say there not in on it report a casino for being rigged they won’t do anything at all and if they was caught nothing would happen...

 

[PaaskeDenmark]

Another typical telling moment in the chat:

Alvignac1913
ive only left 5 numbers and it falls on those numbers 5 out of 8 spins
VictorT014
i'll go back to playing fortnite. at least it's free
Alvignac1913
WTF
Sling
been like that for years
k.hn
come on. what is this??
roymgmt
she cant spin worth shit
k.hn
******** ***** 3 times
nike25
this roulette is really weird
roymgmt
cant win anything here

This sounds like typical losing gamblers just like any other chat like at Videoslots nothing rigged in that and nothing telling

 

[kelapa]

I agree sometimes ball jumps a bit strange but would be just as strange if it fell smooth straight into a number every time?

Not nearly as much, no.

 

[Xclockersx]

Who would exactly they be caught by?

 

[kelapa]

Any casino will make at least 2.27% profit from all players and there is no need for them to fix the wheel.

Ah ok, "there's no need". The FIFA didn't need those extra millions either.
Wake up. Most big companies will jump at the opportunity to bend the law just for a few extra decimals on their profit margin.

 

[goatwack]

It boils down to different severity...

Whereas most, when casually gambling, may notice the odd fishy occurence, I think what's evident here is more likened to the "Holy moly this is crazy-ass rigged shit" variety.

So basically defcon 1

 

[AndyP24]

Sorry but you guys are deluded. Of course Evolution are going to rig the wheel against you two guys who play relatively low stakes when there's hundreds, probably thousands of people putting chips down on these wheels across the globe, why on earth would they rig the wheel against you instead of those who bet more and win more?

You cover tier for example, it takes a horrible bounce out and lands on zero section, there's a guy betting thousands on this section, why would they rig it against you? I witnessed Rocknrolla win 20k the other day on a ball that you would say took a suspicious bounce half way across the wheel.

You sound like angry gamblers who have a problem accepting that the wheel is RIGGED 3% in the casinos favour and in the long run you will ALWAYS lose.

 

[Xclockersx]

How comes when I play machines bet high on 8 11 it always goes on 30 (inbetween big big bet numbers) the chances of it doing it on a daily basis constant none stop it IMPOSSIBLE! There’s 35 other numbers 4 diff section the chances of it landing on 30 it happen of course but constantly constantly? You have more chance on winning the lottery also I don’t bet small on roulette I bet big also the table that was rigged there was only 80 players some of who probs wasent betting and ones who was betting really small

 

[ed skull murphy]

How comes when I play machines bet high on 8 11 it always goes on 30 (inbetween big big bet numbers) the chances of it doing it on a daily basis constant none stop it IMPOSSIBLE! There’s 35 other numbers 4 diff section the chances of it landing on 30 it happen of course but constantly constantly? You have more chance on winning the lottery also I don’t bet small on roulette I bet big also the table that was rigged there was only 80 players some of who probs wasent betting and ones who was betting really small

I have an idea, if you, kelapa, and everyone else who believes it is rigged, all stop playing there, they will surely go broke.

 

[Xclockersx]

I don’t play it lool

 

[PaaskeDenmark]

How comes when I play machines bet high on 8 11 it always goes on 30 (inbetween big big bet numbers) the chances of it doing it on a daily basis constant none stop it IMPOSSIBLE! There’s 35 other numbers 4 diff section the chances of it landing on 30 it happen of course but constantly constantly? You have more chance on winning the lottery also I don’t bet small on roulette I bet big also the table that was rigged there was only 80 players some of who probs wasent betting and ones who was betting really small

To be honest you should start betting or covering 30 as well surely if it "always" comes out??

 

[goatwack]

I say cover every number (0 too), that way one can't lose!

Ok, you lose a bit, but still kind of experience winning! Would love to see the f***er hop out of that number. There's nowhere left to hop to, sunshine!

 

[paul7388]

I say cover every number (0 too), that way one can't lose!

Ok, you lose a bit, but still kind of experience winning! Would love to see the f***er hop out of that number. There's nowhere left to hop to, sunshine!

Would simply bounce out of the wheel. Do you not know it is rigged and can not possibly land on any number they have selected

 

[goatwack]

Would simply bounce out of the wheel. Do you not know it is rigged and can not possibly land on any number they have selected

I reckon the ball explodes.

Followed by an on-screen 'That's all, folks!' and the Looney Tunes music playing

 

[kelapa]

To be honest, those outcomes wouldn't even surprise me that much.

When I did my experiment of adding one chipped number each round, slowly filling up the whole board, the ball looked increasingly "desperate".
By the time there were only four numbers unchipped, the ball skipped left, right, buzzed and shaked like a hornet in mid-air, bounced *increasingly* high up (like watching a recording of a bouncing ball backwards),. It legit looked like a cartoon.

It's spectacular. If you have cash spare, go ahead and try it.
If I'm right, you'll be convinced and know to avoid Evo's tables from then on.
If I'm wrong, you might still scrape together a few nickels, or break even maybe.

 

[kelapa]

Sorry but you guys are deluded. Of course Evolution are going to rig the wheel against you two guys who play relatively low stakes when there's hundreds, probably thousands of people putting chips down on these wheels across the globe, why on earth would they rig the wheel against you instead of those who bet more and win more?

Already answered this one about twenty times in this thread, Andy.

Seriously am considering writing up that FAQ for in my signature...

 

[Xclockersx]

If I bet 8 and 11 in the bookies and it always goes on 30 non stop are you seriously telling me that’s down to bad luck it’s a 1 in 35 change LOOOL

 

[PaaskeDenmark]

If I bet 8 and 11 in the bookies and it always goes on 30 non stop are you seriously telling me that’s down to bad luck it’s a 1 in 35 change LOOOL

Bookies is the place not to play anything apart from betting on sports. Odds are worse on slots etc who knows about their roulette i dont trust it to be honest

 

[Xclockersx]

Yeah someone tryed to get payed out and they didn’t pay them out the person kicked off wrecked the shop and everything police was called and everything ah mate

 

[kelapa]

If I bet 8 and 11 in the bookies and it always goes on 30 non stop are you seriously telling me that’s down to bad luck it’s a 1 in 35 change LOOOL

Depending on how many times in a row it happens, the chance is actually a bit slimmer than that.

But yes, in that scenario, the ball will always hop out of the 8 or the 11 and into the 30. Usually in the same weird, artificial manner: ball lies perfectly still on 8/11.. then starts "buzzing" (as if somebody has put it on vibrate) until it jumps out like a piece of freshly popped popcorn, and always - I can't state this enough: ALWAYS - into the one losing number.
I have absolutely never, not once, seen it happen the other way (from loser to winner).

 

[Xclockersx]

Yep same with lighting try it it’ll give you a 200x number or 500x whatever then it lands next door what’s the chances hahaha?!! I actually bet on 0 once it was 200x went on 0 then moved to 15