happygobrokey
Dormant account
- Joined
- Jul 24, 2006
- Location
- canada
now here's a monumental idea: can we players draft and adopt our OWN t&c for us as players, sort of a manifesto for ethical player treatment standards? i don't want to liken it to milestones like the magna carta, tennis court oath, and un declaration of human rights (and the ten commandments if you believe in them), but i think we could make a good declaration to the casinos that we are not just an asset that can be treated like dirt. we would include many of the casinomeister ideals of a fair casino of course.
first we declare that we will not manipulate their t&c's and we agree to get clarification about any grey areas before we play. we declare also that a player presenting this to a casino vows to play within the rules and not abuse a bonus or do a charge-back. we declare that we will take a screenshot record of the casino t&c at the time of deposit/bonus claim, and we expect to be held to those terms under which we accept the offer or have a sufficient notice (of perhaps a week) before a term is added, amended or discontinued - giving us due time to complete the offers under the terms we signed up for. we declare that we will play in any manner which we may think is a winning strategy to us, and the casino must specifically disclose their prohibition of any kinds of bets that are not allowed under bonuses.
we demand that the casino deal a fair game and allow us to play as we please (within any rules applied by the casino under general and bonus t&c) until such time as the casino may wish to deny us further promotions or casino access altogether, but any offers previously undertaken and any cashouts are still to be honoured. we demand a way to verify our own wagering easily (easiest and friendliest being comp/loyalty points per $ wagered, others being a tab in cashier with bonus satisfaction requirements, or a segregated bonus and cash account visible to the player) without having to depend on live chat to know how much we've played. we demand live chat or a guarantee of fewer than 24-48 hours for email support responses which are not "canned", as well as supervisor/manager/accounting contacts to be made available upon request. we require a valid reason for any delay in payment past two weeks from cashout time, and timely updates in that respect until the problem is sorted.
we recognise we are the bread and butter of casinos, and as such we deserve humane and respectful treatment, depsite the absence of real human interaction. casinos do not want to be on the levels of internet pyramid/sympathy scammers, identity thieves and cyber-bullies. live casinos aim to provide a fun entertaining experience; they give you free stuff and they pay immediately. the perks online are the bonus chips upfront and upon signup, and also the immediate and 24/7 availability within one's home. casinos currently have anonymity on their side and like a public company in which the investors demand to know the quality and value of their stocks, the casino should aim for transparency in its practices and provide a comfortable and safe environment in which to play and where wins are worth real cash everytime and anytime one wishes to cash them in (apart from where playthrough is still tied to amounts). furthermore, as players we are all equals, and a nation of origin or language preference or sex or any other factor (provided player is of legal age of course) should not be counted against us or deprive us of anything to which the average person or to one similar in all other respects than an ascribed trait such as above is availed of.
i know the accredited list members will fulfill many if not all of these sort of player stipulations, but i also know there are quite a few perfectly honourable casinos that might have everything short of a rep here and a personal rapport with bryan away from being on here. and with a uniform agreement of what the player expects, the player gets a hard copy that the casino agrees to and that the player can enforce. i am not trying to usurp the meister here; as i understand his true occupation is as a mediator and gambling awareness advocate, not as a casino evaluator or promoter. with a universally recognised "commitment to respect players" the cm accredited list would lose some of its utility, but i think the ultimate goal of an industry standard seal for fair play would do much more to uphold/encourage the integrity of all casinos and protect players who may not have had the pleasure of discovering meisterland. am i way off in outer space or do i have a good suggestion with this? we can draft up our manifesto easily enough and within a month or two we could get millions of petitioners/boycotters to attempt to force this into use. once the news is way public, casinos will be able to say/show via a seal on the website that they adhere to the players code of rights or whatever it would be called, and the loyal trustworthy term-abiding players will have a universal seal of approval to go by. what are your thoughts? is this sacrilege? impractical? useless to even try?
first we declare that we will not manipulate their t&c's and we agree to get clarification about any grey areas before we play. we declare also that a player presenting this to a casino vows to play within the rules and not abuse a bonus or do a charge-back. we declare that we will take a screenshot record of the casino t&c at the time of deposit/bonus claim, and we expect to be held to those terms under which we accept the offer or have a sufficient notice (of perhaps a week) before a term is added, amended or discontinued - giving us due time to complete the offers under the terms we signed up for. we declare that we will play in any manner which we may think is a winning strategy to us, and the casino must specifically disclose their prohibition of any kinds of bets that are not allowed under bonuses.
we demand that the casino deal a fair game and allow us to play as we please (within any rules applied by the casino under general and bonus t&c) until such time as the casino may wish to deny us further promotions or casino access altogether, but any offers previously undertaken and any cashouts are still to be honoured. we demand a way to verify our own wagering easily (easiest and friendliest being comp/loyalty points per $ wagered, others being a tab in cashier with bonus satisfaction requirements, or a segregated bonus and cash account visible to the player) without having to depend on live chat to know how much we've played. we demand live chat or a guarantee of fewer than 24-48 hours for email support responses which are not "canned", as well as supervisor/manager/accounting contacts to be made available upon request. we require a valid reason for any delay in payment past two weeks from cashout time, and timely updates in that respect until the problem is sorted.
we recognise we are the bread and butter of casinos, and as such we deserve humane and respectful treatment, depsite the absence of real human interaction. casinos do not want to be on the levels of internet pyramid/sympathy scammers, identity thieves and cyber-bullies. live casinos aim to provide a fun entertaining experience; they give you free stuff and they pay immediately. the perks online are the bonus chips upfront and upon signup, and also the immediate and 24/7 availability within one's home. casinos currently have anonymity on their side and like a public company in which the investors demand to know the quality and value of their stocks, the casino should aim for transparency in its practices and provide a comfortable and safe environment in which to play and where wins are worth real cash everytime and anytime one wishes to cash them in (apart from where playthrough is still tied to amounts). furthermore, as players we are all equals, and a nation of origin or language preference or sex or any other factor (provided player is of legal age of course) should not be counted against us or deprive us of anything to which the average person or to one similar in all other respects than an ascribed trait such as above is availed of.
i know the accredited list members will fulfill many if not all of these sort of player stipulations, but i also know there are quite a few perfectly honourable casinos that might have everything short of a rep here and a personal rapport with bryan away from being on here. and with a uniform agreement of what the player expects, the player gets a hard copy that the casino agrees to and that the player can enforce. i am not trying to usurp the meister here; as i understand his true occupation is as a mediator and gambling awareness advocate, not as a casino evaluator or promoter. with a universally recognised "commitment to respect players" the cm accredited list would lose some of its utility, but i think the ultimate goal of an industry standard seal for fair play would do much more to uphold/encourage the integrity of all casinos and protect players who may not have had the pleasure of discovering meisterland. am i way off in outer space or do i have a good suggestion with this? we can draft up our manifesto easily enough and within a month or two we could get millions of petitioners/boycotters to attempt to force this into use. once the news is way public, casinos will be able to say/show via a seal on the website that they adhere to the players code of rights or whatever it would be called, and the loyal trustworthy term-abiding players will have a universal seal of approval to go by. what are your thoughts? is this sacrilege? impractical? useless to even try?