Do online casinos accept betting sistems? Share your experience

[randomplay]

Hi!

This is my first post here. I'm new to online gambling and mainly play roulette and I wanted to learn from your experience about how casinos use their terms and conditions against fair players. Although betting systems fail on the long term because of the house edge I guess most of us always follow some kind of pattern or rule when playing. So I've asked "Spin Palace" (I follow casinomeister's listing of fair casinos) casino if playing with a system was allowed. They answered me that Martingale or whatever system was considered as irregular playing and wasn't tolerated. Didn't have any reply from the other casinos I've contacted... In most cases terms and conditions don't specifiy what is considered as irregular playing and why it is considered as such.

Though I never had problems when playing in land casinos, I am however worried that online casinos will consider my winnings as irregular if I follow whatever pattern (e.g. always betting of "even" numbers, etc.). I don't consider this being quite fair...

Any good/bad experience to share? Thanks!

 

[rockycatt]

i think [think] you should investagate what exactly is advantage play is construed by such casino's that are afraid of looseing there edge to a lucky player messing around with a progressive betting pattern of play

it always amuses me as to why at our end of the client /server what there afraid of un less there short in the cash draw

 

[Nifty29]

i think [think] you should investagate what exactly is advantage play is construed by such casino's that are afraid of looseing there edge to a lucky player messing around with a progressive betting pattern of play

it always amuses me as to why at our end of the client /server what there afraid of un less there short in the cash draw

it has nothing to do with the cash draw but it deos have somthing to do with looseing there edge if the player takes a bonus and play a certain way it can turn edge in players favor wich defeats the purpose of being a casino in the first place if they allowed any bets on any games with bonuses they would'nt last a week after being cleaned out by advantage players its the casinos money we cant expect to get it for nothing

 

[quber]

The only patterns they should be wary of is people betting red and black or similar when doing wagering on a bonus, and most places don't alow roulette in bonuses for this reason.

any player that wants to do martingale should be welcomed with open arms by any casino, if you are told they don't allow it then they are in the wrong business.

 

[rockycatt]

it has nothing to do with the cash draw but it deos have somthing to do with looseing there edge if the player takes a bonus and play a certain way it can turn edge in players favor wich defeats the purpose of being a casino in the first place if they allowed any bets on any games with bonuses they would'nt last a week after being cleaned out by advantage players its the casinos money we cant expect to get it for nothing

respectfuly how are we getting it for nothing if we must make a deposite first [i can totaly se if it's a ND bonus ] but there in charge of there software

take 3 dice for example you can bet any thing you want if the software excepts the bet no cry babying from them =
a example of what a casino shoulD model them selvs after . i know dice is the best and thats a coveted status
but others just whining about players betting style is hard for me to swallow

i love you nifty

 

[randomplay]

Thank you for your replies! I was told from that casino that the "no betting sistem" rule applied independently whether I took or not any bonus....

 

[Nifty29]

Thank you for your replies! I was told from that casino that the "no betting sistem" rule applied independently whether I took or not any bonus....

Well that's a different story. If the software ALLOWS the bet you should be free to make it with your own money.

In fact, if I were an operator I would send you scotch and cigars weekly just to keep you coming back to ply your systems. It's a sure bet that I would have all your money by the time you realized they don't work, and I'd be hoping you still weren't convinced and came back again. Trust me. I've seen them come and go these players with their unbeatable systems, and they disappear into the great chasm of losers never to be heard from again.

The problem with systems like the one you mentioned, when used online, is the table limits. I'm not a blackjack pro, but I know that system can force you to make some hefty bets, and if you reach a point where you have to make a certain bet and you can't due to bet limits, well you're screwed. A well run casino has nothing to fear from system players, and the sad fact is that, even when someone has a period where their system has them well up on the house, they can't stop...they're gamblers at the end of the day, and unless they quit whilst nicely ahead and never play again, they are doomed to lose it back with interest.

I've seen a few people on different forums claim they've made $100k's or even millions from online systems, and the one thing that consistently occurs across all of these "winners" stories and adventures is the unmistakable smell of horse shit. I know of some people who made some good money years ago when bonuses were 5xD+B or less with all games allowed, but that was all about using bonuses in a mathematically sensible fashion in addition to strict discipline, and nothing to do with systems. It's nary impossible to live off bonuses nowadays, and anyone who tells you otherwise will, upon closer inspection, emit that same familiar odour.

@rocky

YOU'RE welcome. It's nice to see people wear THEIR hearts on their sleeves like you did THERE..... I love you too (in a purely physical sense)

 

[immortality]

I agree Nifty, a casino that is well run won't need to worry about betting systems, the casino is the biggest winner at the end of the day (anyday for that matter) when they have thousands of players, the casino also has to treat the players fairly aswell, after all you win more flies with honey than you do with vinegar, keep the players sweet, they'll come back wanting more

 

[PaaskeDenmark]

Yes all these Roulette systems or any other systems. Will of course always be risky for the player. And Casinos overall will take the money.
But there are systems which work quite well, but you have to stick to it. And not play other games or wast money on anything else.
And this is the hard thing for a player (gambler) myself included hehe

But I did make a very nice roulette system which worked very well. One of my best friends in Denmark actually used this for weeks. And he kept winning. We are not talking big money here. As when you get up in very big amounts this is where things normal turn ugly hehe.

But my system was like a mixture of nightingale and double up kind of system..
But it was with mainly low bets, not something you could become millionaire on. All the papers and calculations are left behind in Denmark when i moved to UK. But for anyone interested I will be happy to provide this, for anyone who wants to try it out. Or come round my gambling forum. I will soon make new section for this. The same for other stuff.

But it was possible to make constant profit. But we talk about maybe 20-30 euro a day. Reason was you could only play max 1 hour each day. And this system was used at a bookie. Which had old fashion kind of the computer roulette. I think it was Scandicbookmakers we used. I think they are still on that old software. But after couple of months you could suddenly pick up almost crazy bad runs. So i stopped and also my friend stopped. But we are also or were not good at sticking to system only. He started betting on straight up numbers as well next to this. Reason for everything to go wrong hehe....

But I have now managed to make a system for Sports betting. Which also works brilliant. This is for Football. It is called the X system.
I don't know if its already out. But i def have not read about this system.

There are lots of silly systems like the ones for roulette. Very risky ones and you need giant bank roll.

But mine for football is done build on the same i made for Roulette. I just need to get all calculations done and so on.
Very exciting, a mate from work started trying it out yesterday. And he made 17 quid from a £4 stake. Lucky punch. As it does not neccesary pay out straight away. But have to look at it as long term investments. With very nice return. We are talking at least 300% and a lot more yearly.

Oh well so tired now long week and work tomorrow at 8am. Hope I have not bored you to much. I left out the most important details to have something to get back to. But also if there is any interest. I might make a thread somwhere. Or it can be followed on my own forum.

 

[bpb]

Yes all these Roulette systems or any other systems. Will of course always be risky for the player. And Casinos overall will take the money.
But there are systems which work quite well, but you have to stick to it. And not play other games or wast money on anything else.
And this is the hard thing for a player (gambler) myself included hehe

But I did make a very nice roulette system which worked very well. One of my best friends in Denmark actually used this for weeks. And he kept winning. We are not talking big money here. As when you get up in very big amounts this is where things normal turn ugly hehe.

But my system was like a mixture of nightingale and double up kind of system..
But it was with mainly low bets, not something you could become millionaire on. All the papers and calculations are left behind in Denmark when i moved to UK. But for anyone interested I will be happy to provide this, for anyone who wants to try it out. Or come round my gambling forum. I will soon make new section for this. The same for other stuff.

But it was possible to make constant profit. But we talk about maybe 20-30 euro a day. Reason was you could only play max 1 hour each day. And this system was used at a bookie. Which had old fashion kind of the computer roulette. I think it was Scandicbookmakers we used. I think they are still on that old software. But after couple of months you could suddenly pick up almost crazy bad runs. So i stopped and also my friend stopped. But we are also or were not good at sticking to system only. He started betting on straight up numbers as well next to this. Reason for everything to go wrong hehe....

But I have now managed to make a system for Sports betting. Which also works brilliant. This is for Football. It is called the X system.
I don't know if its already out. But i def have not read about this system.

There are lots of silly systems like the ones for roulette. Very risky ones and you need giant bank roll.

But mine for football is done build on the same i made for Roulette. I just need to get all calculations done and so on.
Very exciting, a mate from work started trying it out yesterday. And he made 17 quid from a £4 stake. Lucky punch. As it does not neccesary pay out straight away. But have to look at it as long term investments. With very nice return. We are talking at least 300% and a lot more yearly.

Oh well so tired now long week and work tomorrow at 8am. Hope I have not bored you to much. I left out the most important details to have something to get back to. But also if there is any interest. I might make a thread somwhere. Or it can be followed on my own forum.

This post is overflowing with stupid ...

 

[PaaskeDenmark]

This post is overflowing with stupid ...

What is your problem sorry??

Thanks for taking part in the thread, but strange way to behave

 

[randomplay]

So going back to the OT nobody was banned or had his winnings voided by an online casino while using some kind of pattern?

 

[Nifty29]

So going back to the OT nobody was banned or had his winnings voided by an online casino while using some kind of pattern?

Yes, players have been banned and had winnings confiscated.

If you want to use such systems etc, my advice would be to:

1. Check the terms and conditions thoroughly. If you see anything even related to betting patterns, you should avoid that casino.

2. If you decide to play at a casino, get permission to use a system in writing before you play.

If you stick with the accredited casinos here, you have a better chance of being OK. However, you must make sure you understand the terms and conditions before you play. I cannot stress this enough.

 

[zap987]

What is your problem sorry??

Thanks for taking part in the thread, but strange way to behave

The problem is you are claiming you have a roulette system that works, something which is impossible and does not exist.

 

[PaaskeDenmark]

The problem is you are claiming you have a roulette system that works, something which is impossible and does not exist.

No I said it "worked" There is a big difference there my friend
If you can tell me where I stated that it will make you rich, and give you a 100% profit rest of your life. Then feel free to quote it for me
That system did work at that time. But this is several years ago. And only with small amounts. But you could make money on it, that is the truth.

What I in another way have developed in regards to the X football system. Is a 99,9% constant profit.
But I can not prove it here at casinomeister. And do not see any reason for this.

I will just stop posting about it

Sorry for taken thread in wrong direction, Its about if casinos accept betting systems. And not if some works or not.

But yes I can only see it would give problems. If I started using my X Football system at 1 online bookmaker. As they would see what I was doing, And I am sure they all would close my account if I make a constant profit.
But My plan is to spread it out to bets at different bookmakers. As its about getting the best odds every match. Also betting shops will be used.

A good thing would maybe get a rep or some reps from different casinos. To express there knowledge about betting with systems here.

 

[Nifty29]

No I said it "worked" There is a big difference there my friend
If you can tell me where I stated that it will make you rich, and give you a 100% profit rest of your life. Then feel free to quote it for me
That system did work at that time. But this is several years ago. And only with small amounts. But you could make money on it, that is the truth.

What I in another way have developed in regards to the X football system. Is a 99,9% constant profit.
But I can not prove it here at casinomeister. And do not see any reason for this.

I will just stop posting about it

Sorry for taken thread in wrong direction, Its about if casinos accept betting systems. And not if some works or not.

But yes I can only see it would give problems. If I started using my X Football system at 1 online bookmaker. As they would see what I was doing, And I am sure they all would close my account if I make a constant profit.
But My plan is to spread it out to bets at different bookmakers. As its about getting the best odds every match. Also betting shops will be used.

A good thing would maybe get a rep or some reps from different casinos. To express there knowledge about betting with systems here.

I'm sorry, but you're seriously deluding yourself.

There can be no system that works for roulette or any other game where the outcome is random. If you can really predict the results of a random draw, you are wasting your time on casino systems....one euromillions ticket should set you up for life.

Small bets, big bets.....whatever...it makes no difference. It's all horse poo. If there was a way to beat the game, someone far smarter and wealthier than either of us would have found it by now, and all the casinos of the world would have stopped.offering table games. Honestly, you don't have a clue....nothing personal, but you don't.

The football thing.is at least remotely possible as the results aren't random. However, there's a reason that punters catch buses and trains to the races and sports events and the bookies drive BMWs. These guys earn a living from setting odds and being in the know, and they aren't stupid enough to leave themselves wide open to some casual punter who has discovered a way to beat them 99.9% of the time. Again, if there were such a way, it would have been found and stamped.out well before now.

If these systems you claim are so amazing really worked, you wouldn't be posting here at cm about the same stuff everyone else does....you would be off on your own island in the Bahamas sipping cognac and hosting Richard Branson and Bill Gates for luncheon.

I know the OP wasn't about whether systems work or not, but I just want to reiterate to any newbs reading that they're all a load of old cobblers. The only system that works consistently is your cardiovascular system, and even that fails eventually.


P.S. You "can't prove it here at Casinomeister" because a) you don't want to because b) it is impossible to because c) it doesn't work and d) other members would poke so many holes in it that it would look.like swiss cheese. Saying you "can't tell" and all that fluff is just a cop-out to avoid embarrassing yourself. Feel free to prove me wrong.

 

[zap987]

Sports betting and roulette are very different though. Roulette is a quite simple game that can not in any way be beaten. Your system didn't work, you got lucky for a while, but it's not like the rules of roulette have changed? Anyone coming here claiming they have a working roulette system should be met with ridicule, you might as well claim the earth is flat.

A football 'system' can work, arbitrage betting isn't exactly new although I have no idea if there are still any worthwile opportunites.

As for casinos and betting systems, any good casino will not care at all how you bet as long as there is no bonus involved.

 

[skiny]

My betting system has never failed.

I deposit, I play for roughly 20 minutes and when my balance hits zero I go watch Columbo.

It's fool proof and no casino has ever caught on.

 

[ShayDrew]

I dunno - I think it is quite amusing every now and again to see someone come on the forum and claim they have a new system - its great entertainment value.

 

[vinylweatherman]

The problem is you are claiming you have a roulette system that works, something which is impossible and does not exist.

...but when an accredited casino comes along and says that such systems are banned, even without a bonus being involved, it lends credibilty to such systems simply because the casino demonstrates that it is afraid that it MIGHT work, despite what mathematics and common sense might show.

There have been numerous casinos that have confiscated winnings for using "a system" in games like Roulette and Blackjack where the player has NOT used any kind of bonus. Even a few accredited casinos have tried it, but have been persuaded otherwise. It seems Spin Palace is in need of a refresher course on Bryan's "101 on casino management", as the "irregular play" issue should ONLY be something players have to concern themselves with if they are taking a bonus.

Martingale is automatically banned by the software because the table limit prevents the system from being used properly. Martingale can only be used properly on a "no limit" table.

 

[KasinoKing]

But after couple of months you could suddenly pick up almost crazy bad runs. So i stopped and also my friend stopped.

If after a couple of SPINS you'd picked up crazy bad runs you would have thought the "system" was useless from the off!
The truth is, Roulette systems are fun and interesting to try and they can work in the short term. But when they do work, in reality it's just that you've been lucky - not that you found a way to beat the house.

The ONLY way to beat Roulette would be with a large bonus with low WR and which allows ANY bets on Roulette (does not exist), or on a table with literally NO max bet limit and a player with infinite funds (also does not exist).

BTW, I agree with VWM about Spin Palace - or at least, about their CS rep who gave this incorrect reply.

KK

 

[zap987]

Well, in my opinion no casino could be accredited if they ever said something like that, because it clearly shows they just don't understand gambling. If you are going to run a casino you should understand the math involved, but sadly it does seems that being good at marketing is a lot more important today. At least there are always 3Dice and 32Red, both which have showed they really understand it all.

 

[hucorte]

...but when an accredited casino comes along and says that such systems are banned, even without a bonus being involved, it lends credibilty to such systems simply because the casino demonstrates that it is afraid that it MIGHT work, despite what mathematics and common sense might show.

There have been numerous casinos that have confiscated winnings for using "a system" in games like Roulette and Blackjack where the player has NOT used any kind of bonus. Even a few accredited casinos have tried it, but have been persuaded otherwise. It seems Spin Palace is in need of a refresher course on Bryan's "101 on casino management", as the "irregular play" issue should ONLY be something players have to concern themselves with if they are taking a bonus.

Martingale is automatically banned by the software because the table limit prevents the system from being used properly. Martingale can only be used properly on a "no limit" table.

Is there any other accredited casino you know of in which "systems" or "betting patterns" are officially banned? I think that that is quite dangerous because almost anything could be considered a betting pattern, even if for example you play Blackjack and simply double your bet each time you lose. In this case, if you end up winning a sum of money and you cash out, they could say you were using a "system" or even worse if you play slots and do the same, your winnings might also be denied. It´s too subjective.

 

[JackTenOff]

...but when an accredited casino comes along and says that such systems are banned, even without a bonus being involved, it lends credibilty to such systems simply because the casino demonstrates that it is afraid that it MIGHT work, despite what mathematics and common sense might show..

It leads me to believe that casino is incompetent or hires idiot support staff that don't understand gambling and odds.

 

[randomplay]

Thanks again for all your input!

I agree with "hucorte" that many casinos might apply in a subjective way what they consider or not as irregular playing (with no bonus) if a player wins. That could lead to unfair casino practices...