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Direct entry to the bonus round?

Discussion in 'Online Casino Bonuses' started by nutnut, Jun 3, 2017.

    Jun 3, 2017
  1. nutnut

    nutnut 30 day suspension - flaming

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    I notice on Verajohn this is one of the items you can buy with your coins. My issue how does a casino have the ability to give you the direct bonus round and if it can what is it to stop you controlling when you hit the bonus round. For me this is abit odd, and leaves you with your tin foil hat firmly glued to your head.

    How does a casino have access to unlimited bonus roundsd which it can hand out, surely that beats the wole point of a random slot
     
  2. Jun 3, 2017
  3. Playford7

    Playford7 Senior Member

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    I think some casino's have a kind of agreement in place with some providers where they can indeed award bonus rounds.
    Agreed I find it a bit odd also, must be legit otherwise they wouldn't be allowed to do it...hmm
     
  4. Jun 3, 2017
  5. dave1888

    dave1888 Meister Member PABnononaccred2 mm1

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    I was puzzled by this too...You're actually better picking the spin until you win a certain amount on VnJ. I did it on Chibeasties 2. Absolutely no idea how they can direct you to the bonus round though...Saying that though how do the operators show bonus rounds with huge wins in promotional videos for new slots??
     
  6. Jun 3, 2017
  7. osulle

    osulle Ueber Meister CAG mm4 mm1

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    Trancemonkey explained this in another thread. It's something that Quickspin offers via achievements on the game. On some sites games like Sakura Fortune have the coin icon in the top left corner and if you collect enough you can get free spins. Verajohn has a version of this whereby if you have enough coins (VJ ones that is) you can buy direct entry to the bonus round. I did it once and it was crap though.
     
  8. Jun 3, 2017
  9. nutnut

    nutnut 30 day suspension - flaming

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    Also if for example loads of people use this item, then surely it has a impact on the RTP and the amount of bonus rounds a normal player is playing.

    So for example I am hammering the game hoping to trigger the bonus, and every 10 minutes someone is buying this bonus round item, how can you say it doesn't affect me hitting a bonus round the normal way?

    It surely has a massive impact on the whole game?

    Can you imagine having this option to buy the bonus round in Bonanza, and some poor guy is bashing away in the cash version waiting thousands of spins to hit the bonus round. :eek::eek:
     
  10. Jun 3, 2017
  11. Harry_BKK

    Harry_BKK Meister Member CAG mm1

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    Thrills used to have promos where they would raffle off 10, 50, 100 spins (can't remember the exact number) which would take you directly to the bonus round at a $2 or $2.50 value. And that was on a variety of slots, mostly Quickspin.

    How they do it, I don't know. I never liked it and made sure i never played those slots on the days when they handed out the prizes with bonus rounds. Imagine you have 30 people out of 50 winners starting within a few minutes their bonus round. No chance, that I as normal player will get something decent.
     
  12. Jun 3, 2017
  13. spoton

    spoton Senior Member webmeister

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    Lets say you repeatedly are throwing two dices to get 6 6, and I have another pair which i manually lay on the table so that they show two 6s. Would that affect your chance of hitting it?
     
  14. Jun 3, 2017
  15. Harry_BKK

    Harry_BKK Meister Member CAG mm1

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    A slot is not a perfect dice since it has an house edge build in. In my view, you are comparing apples with pears.

    Why people compare slots to dice all the time to explain randomness is beyond me. Throwing a dice gives you 100% randomness on the numbers you hit, a slot does not!!!
     
  16. Jun 3, 2017
  17. goatwack

    goatwack Calendar Time for Buddy CAG

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    Yes I concur, slots are like loaded dice :p
     
  18. Jun 3, 2017
  19. zap987

    zap987 Meister Member PABnononaccred2

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    In what way is a slot not like a set of dice? Each reel can be represented by a die with as many sides as the reel has positions, when you spin it rolls the dice and shows the result. The house edge only comes from the payout of the different combinations relative to their probability.

    As for slots giving direct entry to bonus rounds, remember the slot is only a piece of software running on a server somewhere. When you hit the spin button, the casino sends a command to the server with relevant information like betsize. For a normal spin on a normal slot the server will then just roll those dice and return some result information. When you buy a direct entry to a bonus round, the casino will instead send a different command to the server and it will call a different routine. Exactly how the bonus round is won is impossible to know, most likely it will generate lots of spins very fast until one hits the bonus and then return that spin to the casino to show to the player, while discarding all the others.
     
  20. Jun 3, 2017
  21. Tourettesguy

    Tourettesguy Troll - PITA

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    Never heard of this...but if the casino can give you direct access to a bonus round they can for sure block you from getting them too.................but none here have felt like been blocked from bonus rounds right?
     
  22. Jun 3, 2017
  23. spoton

    spoton Senior Member webmeister

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    You are wrong. A slot usually is and is supposed to be as random a dice. What gives the house egde is the rules; combination of probability and payout.
     
  24. Jun 3, 2017
  25. spintee

    spintee Meister Member webby mm2

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    A load of crap (not that they cannot do it but what they say they can or can not do)

    This subject has come up a few times, Its true and you can buy or a promo where its direct entry into a bonus round

    So in reality if a casino offers a bonus such as 20 free spins than it is possible all them spins can be dead, 100% fact as if they can guarantee a bonus round than surely they can guarantee no bonus ? It should work both ways?

    Not only is this messing about with the RTP but its all a fast one, about casino has no control over what happens :confused:

    VeraJohn

    Buy 1 guarantee bonus round

    Whats stopping you buying

    20 dead spins?

    Surley if they know what is a bonus round than they should know whats not abonus round
     
  26. Jun 3, 2017
  27. nojoke

    nojoke Experienced Member

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    I need more tin foil before i even try and get my head round whats going here.

    Guaranteed Bonus rounds. Jeez.

    That sounds awfully like "Software Manipulation" to me.
     
  28. Jun 3, 2017
  29. theapple

    theapple Senior Member

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    so how does a completely random slot gives you a guaranteed bonus entry? And from my understanding, you could get unlimited number of entries too, so how does one random slot give you 10 guaranteed, random bonuses in a row?

    to make things simple

    how is it still random if you know what are you going to get next time you press spin?
     
  30. Jun 4, 2017
  31. spoton

    spoton Senior Member webmeister

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    Because its programmed so that the casino can start the bonus-round subroutine if they have such a promo.

    Think of a bonus round as a slot within the slot.
     
  32. Jun 4, 2017
  33. paul7388

    paul7388 Meister Member MM

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    Its the same as the feature guarantee slots on RTG.

    If you have it enabled then if you do not get a bonus in the amount of spins you are guaranteed a feature. You can also gamble at any time to try and win the feature.

    Because a casino has the software available to give an instant feature it does not mean the slots are rigged and they can rig it to make sure you lose other times.

    Tired just now so can not think of the names of hand but several slots also have this option. There are a couple kicking about somewhere in William Hill where you can purchase instant feature.

    It will not necessarily make a big difference if any at all to the slots RTP as you pay higher than a normal spin to get the feature.

    For example you are playing 20p spins it may cost you £10 to buy feature. That feature may pay well or it may pay nothing . Its a gamble and we all know majority of features on most slots pay crap. So someone buying loads of features will probably end up losing in long run.
     
  34. Jun 4, 2017
  35. Steviedoo

    Steviedoo Senior Member

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    At our local b&m casino you can buy a bonus right away. So for 15$ on a 50 line slot u get urself directly into the bonus round.
     
  36. Jun 4, 2017
  37. spintee

    spintee Meister Member webby mm2

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    That just defeats the whole purpose of playing, ts like going to the fair ground and instead of shooting the rifles to knock down some cans for some fun to win a miniature teddy, you just buy one for 6000% inflated price of the person at the stall.

    With all this shit going and the way slots are playing than you might as well just put it all on one number or play heads and tails
     
  38. Jun 4, 2017
  39. theapple

    theapple Senior Member

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    ok lets try different approach then

    does that slot within a slot affect slots general RTP or are they just pulling RTP numbers out of their a$$ then?

    if bonus frequency is lets say 1 in 200, you dont think how people "buying" 1000's of bonuses is going to affect regular play?

    whats worth mentioning is how quite a few slots have big portion of its RTP stuck in bonus rounds so unless bought, or given away bonuses are programmed to be crap, i think it definitely does have impact on regular play.

    yeah but isnt that like completely different to "free" bonus rounds that are being given away by casinos, unless casinos in question had to pay for them at the first place?
     

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