Direct entry to the bonus round?

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I notice on Verajohn this is one of the items you can buy with your coins. My issue how does a casino have the ability to give you the direct bonus round and if it can what is it to stop you controlling when you hit the bonus round. For me this is abit odd, and leaves you with your tin foil hat firmly glued to your head.

How does a casino have access to unlimited bonus roundsd which it can hand out, surely that beats the wole point of a random slot
 
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I notice on Verajohn this is one of the items you can buy with your coins. My issue how does a casino have the ability to give you the direct bonus round and if it can what is it to stop you controlling when you hit the bonus round. For me this is abit odd, and leaves you with your tin foil hat firmly glued to your head.

How does a casino have access to unlimited bonus roundsd which it can hand out, surely that beats the wole point of a random slot
I think some casino's have a kind of agreement in place with some providers where they can indeed award bonus rounds.
Agreed I find it a bit odd also, must be legit otherwise they wouldn't be allowed to do it...hmm
 
I notice on Verajohn this is one of the items you can buy with your coins. My issue how does a casino have the ability to give you the direct bonus round and if it can what is it to stop you controlling when you hit the bonus round. For me this is abit odd, and leaves you with your tin foil hat firmly glued to your head.

How does a casino have access to unlimited bonus roundsd which it can hand out, surely that beats the wole point of a random slot

I was puzzled by this too...You're actually better picking the spin until you win a certain amount on VnJ. I did it on Chibeasties 2. Absolutely no idea how they can direct you to the bonus round though...Saying that though how do the operators show bonus rounds with huge wins in promotional videos for new slots??
 
Trancemonkey explained this in another thread. It's something that Quickspin offers via achievements on the game. On some sites games like Sakura Fortune have the coin icon in the top left corner and if you collect enough you can get free spins. Verajohn has a version of this whereby if you have enough coins (VJ ones that is) you can buy direct entry to the bonus round. I did it once and it was crap though.
 
Also if for example loads of people use this item, then surely it has a impact on the RTP and the amount of bonus rounds a normal player is playing.

So for example I am hammering the game hoping to trigger the bonus, and every 10 minutes someone is buying this bonus round item, how can you say it doesn't affect me hitting a bonus round the normal way?

It surely has a massive impact on the whole game?

Can you imagine having this option to buy the bonus round in Bonanza, and some poor guy is bashing away in the cash version waiting thousands of spins to hit the bonus round. :eek::eek:
 
Thrills used to have promos where they would raffle off 10, 50, 100 spins (can't remember the exact number) which would take you directly to the bonus round at a $2 or $2.50 value. And that was on a variety of slots, mostly Quickspin.

How they do it, I don't know. I never liked it and made sure i never played those slots on the days when they handed out the prizes with bonus rounds. Imagine you have 30 people out of 50 winners starting within a few minutes their bonus round. No chance, that I as normal player will get something decent.
 
Also if for example loads of people use this item, then surely it has a impact on the RTP and the amount of bonus rounds a normal player is playing.

So for example I am hammering the game hoping to trigger the bonus, and every 10 minutes someone is buying this bonus round item, how can you say it doesn't affect me hitting a bonus round the normal way?

It surely has a massive impact on the whole game?

Can you imagine having this option to buy the bonus round in Bonanza, and some poor guy is bashing away in the cash version waiting thousands of spins to hit the bonus round. :eek::eek:

Lets say you repeatedly are throwing two dices to get 6 6, and I have another pair which i manually lay on the table so that they show two 6s. Would that affect your chance of hitting it?
 
Lets say you repeatedly are throwing two dices to get 6 6, and I have another pair which i manually lay on the table so that they show two 6s. Would that affect your chance of hitting it?

A slot is not a perfect dice since it has an house edge build in. In my view, you are comparing apples with pears.

Why people compare slots to dice all the time to explain randomness is beyond me. Throwing a dice gives you 100% randomness on the numbers you hit, a slot does not!!!
 
A slot is not a perfect dice since it has an house edge build in. In my view, you are comparing apples with pears.

Why people compare slots to dice all the time to explain randomness is beyond me. Throwing a dice gives you 100% randomness on the numbers you hit, a slot does not!!!

Yes I concur, slots are like loaded dice :p
 
In what way is a slot not like a set of dice? Each reel can be represented by a die with as many sides as the reel has positions, when you spin it rolls the dice and shows the result. The house edge only comes from the payout of the different combinations relative to their probability.

As for slots giving direct entry to bonus rounds, remember the slot is only a piece of software running on a server somewhere. When you hit the spin button, the casino sends a command to the server with relevant information like betsize. For a normal spin on a normal slot the server will then just roll those dice and return some result information. When you buy a direct entry to a bonus round, the casino will instead send a different command to the server and it will call a different routine. Exactly how the bonus round is won is impossible to know, most likely it will generate lots of spins very fast until one hits the bonus and then return that spin to the casino to show to the player, while discarding all the others.
 
Never heard of this...but if the casino can give you direct access to a bonus round they can for sure block you from getting them too.................but none here have felt like been blocked from bonus rounds right?
 
A slot is not a perfect dice since it has an house edge build in. In my view, you are comparing apples with pears.

Why people compare slots to dice all the time to explain randomness is beyond me. Throwing a dice gives you 100% randomness on the numbers you hit, a slot does not!!!

You are wrong. A slot usually is and is supposed to be as random a dice. What gives the house egde is the rules; combination of probability and payout.
 
A load of crap (not that they cannot do it but what they say they can or can not do)

This subject has come up a few times, Its true and you can buy or a promo where its direct entry into a bonus round

So in reality if a casino offers a bonus such as 20 free spins than it is possible all them spins can be dead, 100% fact as if they can guarantee a bonus round than surely they can guarantee no bonus ? It should work both ways?

Not only is this messing about with the RTP but its all a fast one, about casino has no control over what happens :confused:

VeraJohn

Buy 1 guarantee bonus round

Whats stopping you buying

20 dead spins?

Surley if they know what is a bonus round than they should know whats not abonus round
 
I need more tin foil before i even try and get my head round whats going here.

Guaranteed Bonus rounds. Jeez.

That sounds awfully like "Software Manipulation" to me.
 
You are wrong. A slot usually is and is supposed to be as random a dice. What gives the house egde is the rules; combination of probability and payout.

so how does a completely random slot gives you a guaranteed bonus entry? And from my understanding, you could get unlimited number of entries too, so how does one random slot give you 10 guaranteed, random bonuses in a row?

to make things simple

how is it still random if you know what are you going to get next time you press spin?
 
so how does a completely random slot gives you a guaranteed bonus entry? And from my understanding, you could get unlimited number of entries too, so how does one random slot give you 10 guaranteed, random bonuses in a row?

to make things simple

how is it still random if you know what are you going to get next time you press spin?

Because its programmed so that the casino can start the bonus-round subroutine if they have such a promo.

Think of a bonus round as a slot within the slot.
 
Its the same as the feature guarantee slots on RTG.

If you have it enabled then if you do not get a bonus in the amount of spins you are guaranteed a feature. You can also gamble at any time to try and win the feature.

Because a casino has the software available to give an instant feature it does not mean the slots are rigged and they can rig it to make sure you lose other times.

Tired just now so can not think of the names of hand but several slots also have this option. There are a couple kicking about somewhere in William Hill where you can purchase instant feature.

It will not necessarily make a big difference if any at all to the slots RTP as you pay higher than a normal spin to get the feature.

For example you are playing 20p spins it may cost you £10 to buy feature. That feature may pay well or it may pay nothing . Its a gamble and we all know majority of features on most slots pay crap. So someone buying loads of features will probably end up losing in long run.
 
At our local b&m casino you can buy a bonus right away. So for 15$ on a 50 line slot u get urself directly into the bonus round.
 
At our local b&m casino you can buy a bonus right away. So for 15$ on a 50 line slot u get urself directly into the bonus round.

That just defeats the whole purpose of playing, ts like going to the fair ground and instead of shooting the rifles to knock down some cans for some fun to win a miniature teddy, you just buy one for 6000% inflated price of the person at the stall.

With all this shit going and the way slots are playing than you might as well just put it all on one number or play heads and tails
 
Because its programmed so that the casino can start the bonus-round subroutine if they have such a promo.

Think of a bonus round as a slot within the slot.

ok lets try different approach then

does that slot within a slot affect slots general RTP or are they just pulling RTP numbers out of their a$$ then?

if bonus frequency is lets say 1 in 200, you dont think how people "buying" 1000's of bonuses is going to affect regular play?

whats worth mentioning is how quite a few slots have big portion of its RTP stuck in bonus rounds so unless bought, or given away bonuses are programmed to be crap, i think it definitely does have impact on regular play.

It will not necessarily make a big difference if any at all to the slots RTP as you pay higher than a normal spin to get the feature.

For example you are playing 20p spins it may cost you £10 to buy feature. That feature may pay well or it may pay nothing . Its a gamble and we all know majority of features on most slots pay crap. So someone buying loads of features will probably end up losing in long run.

yeah but isnt that like completely different to "free" bonus rounds that are being given away by casinos, unless casinos in question had to pay for them at the first place?
 
I do not think there is anything wrong, I saw few videos, some land based slots you can buy a bonus round with $20-$100. Comp points are considered as money as well.

Thats excellent point. Cant believe i completely ignored that part, but bringing comp points money into this conversation makes everything look much clearer imo.

Lets not forget we also get 100% bonuses and sometimes even cashback too. Plus some sites also have reel races and tournaments !

Sometimes i also get bday bonuses (not that often anymore though) and that is, imo, closely related to being able to buy a feature, or getting guaranteed one for free.
 
Thats excellent point. Cant believe i completely ignored that part, but bringing comp points money into this conversation makes everything look much clearer imo.

Lets not forget we also get 100% bonuses and sometimes even cashback too. Plus some sites also have reel races and tournaments !

Sometimes i also get bday bonuses (not that often anymore though) and that is, imo, closely related to being able to buy a feature, or getting guaranteed one for free.

Try saying that after a few deposits at £100 a pop with no bonus and come on here to be told someone just bought 3 bonus rounds for £15 and took out £200 :)
 
This has been explained before and more recently by Trancemonkey. But basically its the same as a casino loading free spins into an account. Dont mean its not random. Have seen this in a few slots. Naturally the hard core tin foilers will see it as evidence of everything been rigged ...
 
This has been explained before and more recently by Trancemonkey. But basically its the same as a casino loading free spins into an account. Dont mean its not random. Have seen this in a few slots. Naturally the hard core tin foilers will see it as evidence of everything been rigged ...

Not rigged. But its funny how sites cannot manipulate slots, can not change RTP but its coming out that sites can chose pay out rate, they can load a guarantee bonus round, what else can they do what they are not telling us?
 

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