Question Correlation between bet amount and bonus likelihood ?

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Hi,
You guys seem to know an awful lot about these things, so I have to ask - does the amount you bet affect the likelihood of a bonus ? Is betting £1 a spin more likely to give you a bonus than say, 40p ?
I don't expect any hard evidence to back this up, but anecdotally, is this the case ?
Also, if I switch from 60p spins to £1 spins (or other amounts) does the slot "remember" my spins (and p & l) at the lower bet or does it start afresh ?
 
Hi,
You guys seem to know an awful lot about these things, so I have to ask - does the amount you bet affect the likelihood of a bonus ? Is betting £1 a spin more likely to give you a bonus than say, 40p ?
I don't expect any hard evidence to back this up, but anecdotally, is this the case ?
Also, if I switch from 60p spins to £1 spins (or other amounts) does the slot "remember" my spins (and p & l) at the lower bet or does it start afresh ?
We are told every spin is a individual one & stakes do not make any difference, plenty of threads about it, if you go hunting)
 
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Hi,
You guys seem to know an awful lot about these things, so I have to ask - does the amount you bet affect the likelihood of a bonus ? Is betting £1 a spin more likely to give you a bonus than say, 40p ?
I don't expect any hard evidence to back this up, but anecdotally, is this the case ?
Also, if I switch from 60p spins to £1 spins (or other amounts) does the slot "remember" my spins (and p & l) at the lower bet or does it start afresh ?
If you're playing at a UK licensed casino, then no - the bet size does not effect anything.
(Unless it's one of those slots where you can pay a premium for a better chance of hitting the feature).
By law, every spin must be an independently random event, not based on any previous bets.

KK
 
How likely you are to land a bonus can be different depending on betsize.
According to @trancemonkey slot providers are allowed to use completely different math models for every single betsize if they want, and they dont have to tell you they are doing it if the rtp % do not change.

So landing the bonus on a £5 spin could technically be 100x harder than landing it on a 10p spin, but supposedly different math models for different stakes is not something that is used a lot, if at all.

Personally i dont see why they wouldnt use it.
You could lower the amount of super big hits on high betsizes to reduce the risk of having to pay out large sums, makes perfect sense from a business standpoint.
And you dont even have to inform the players that you are doing it, its the perfect crime, so perfect that its not even illegal.
 
There are a few Jackpot games that state the likelihood of triggering The Jackpot Feature improves with stake size, but that would seem fair, seeing as it comes from a pot.

Off the top of my head, I think the Age of Gods, Dream Drops and maybe Divine Fortune.

P.s. I have heard of a direct correlation between bet size, bonus triggering and game errors for sure :p
 
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despite the years of people supposedly in the know saying that stakes dont matter, I have to say my experience is that there is a negative correlation between increase in stake and bonus frequency/return.

I have found this even more true in recent times...... I far prefer playing higher stakes but the pattern nowadays of

deposit 100 or 200 get lucky and get balance to 500-1000 withdraw initial deposit and up stakes to 3-5 and lose the lot in minutes gets quite boring,

the only deviation on that is when i dont get lucky and just lose straight away.

i cant recall getting any bonus on the 3-5 range over 100x in weeks yet loads on 1-2
 
I have no evidence to prove it, but based on my personal experience: high bet = more dead spins and less chance of getting free spins/bonuses.
This does not mean that you cannot win a lot by placing high bets. You can, but it's less likely imo
 
I believe that I also confirmed that it can be a different frequency for features on different stakes providing the RTP remains the same, and trancemonkey rightly agreed that it can, so kroffe is correct.

Like before im not saying every game does it, but some definitely have and as others have said it is actually totally legal. Its no different to being allowed to use different reel sets on different spins to give the illusion of more near misses eg when you get a game that 2 scatters a lot but on different reels giving the illusion that it was nearly, when in fact the different spins were two different sets eg set A loads of scatter reels 1 and 2 but only 1 on 3,4,5 and another set B that has loads on 34 and only 1 on 1,2,5 and will often give a scatter on the reel you just needed it on on the last spin etc etc.

As aceking123 said "We are told every spin is a individual one & stakes do not make any difference"

True in one sense but not in another yes each way is still random, therefore each still has a chance of giving a feature, but depending on game might not be totally the same chance of a feature on any given stake.

Its definitely a legal but crafty way to control the volatility of a game, if so needed.

Ever played a game that seems to throw in much lower average x features when higher stake than lower stake?
Ever played a game that plays better in the base game on higher stake than lower stake?
Ever played a game that seems to be much harder to bonus on higher stakes compared to lower?

If yes to any of the above then you might of found one...
 
If you're playing at a UK licensed casino, then no - the bet size does not effect anything.
(Unless it's one of those slots where you can pay a premium for a better chance of hitting the feature).
By law, every spin must be an independently random event, not based on any previous bets.

KK

Sorry that's not correct,

I'm afraid it still is within the law, even if the stake matters its still a random event and 100% legal.

As the stake change itself eg past stake has no influence on next stake its still random within the parameters / math model of that stake, so even though the odds have technically changed for that stake its still random and independent.

To be clear not all games or providers use this method, but its legal to do so.
 

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