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Is there a difference between these covid jabs and a 'leaky vaccine'?
The experts say we will have to learn to live with the virus, if you turn that sentence logic around, the virus has to learn to live with us, i.e. adapt and evolve to keep infecting people with the antibodies against it.
If you're vaccinated and spared severe illness, but can still shed virus particles, are you more likely to be out and about doing this, perhaps because your symptoms are mild. And then at some point those people whose immune systems don't mount much of a vaccine response are still in the firing line, having to isolate because the virus is circulating.
Maybe effective antivirals are the missing key ingredient, once we have them, the fear will be less all round.
The experts say we will have to learn to live with the virus, if you turn that sentence logic around, the virus has to learn to live with us, i.e. adapt and evolve to keep infecting people with the antibodies against it.
If you're vaccinated and spared severe illness, but can still shed virus particles, are you more likely to be out and about doing this, perhaps because your symptoms are mild. And then at some point those people whose immune systems don't mount much of a vaccine response are still in the firing line, having to isolate because the virus is circulating.
Maybe effective antivirals are the missing key ingredient, once we have them, the fear will be less all round.
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So the corona act has been extended for another 6 months in the UK without there being a vote on it. It seems like they only turn up when it concerns their pay rises.
10 minutes everyone until Sajid rolls out Plan C. Woo!
I thought we were only considering Plan B, as that's all that was being touted for months now!
So in essence, expect Work From Home to resume, mandatory face coverings and I guess another lockdown? Spiffing
I thought we were only considering Plan B, as that's all that was being touted for months now!
So in essence, expect Work From Home to resume, mandatory face coverings and I guess another lockdown? Spiffing
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It just sounds to me like they are preparing us for more lockdowns and the rest. Can't say that I am surprised
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Interesting, she is obviously aware of her reaction trigger points. I wouldn't have thought the spike protein is still in people's bodies after more than 2-4 weeks (when they've been vaxed).
Seems Plan B's on hold for the foreseeable, albeit that's subject to change. No masks or WFH.....
With some luck they won't do another U-turn by December, when things get positively precarious, as it does every Winter.....
In its stead, I believe Sajid's now greenlit the use of Covid pills to aid those working from home etc
With some luck they won't do another U-turn by December, when things get positively precarious, as it does every Winter.....
In its stead, I believe Sajid's now greenlit the use of Covid pills to aid those working from home etc
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The poor lass can hardly avoid coming into contact with folk shedding. At her age she is bound to want to go out and meet both friends as well as new people as well as having to do the things she has too.
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What's a Covid pill?
I work for a pharmacy and we usually get a heads up 24-48h before general and I've not heard of this creation?
I work for a pharmacy and we usually get a heads up 24-48h before general and I've not heard of this creation?
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I think no one's sure where he pulled that one from, but here's some snippets on it:
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Nothing new that one has to pay a shitload for drugs (the legal kind) in the US of A.
Just take a look at the price difference of insulin:
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Or the asthma medicine Ventolin:
"Albuterol is available in pharmacies for as little as $30, while its brand-name versions (Ventolin and Proventil) cost about $74 per inhaler."
I pay 26 cents, yes that's €0.26, for an inhaler with 200 doses of 100mcg.
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In the worse ever pandemic since biblical times, cost of treatments should be internationally regulated and controlled until the crisis ends. Otherwise it's profiteering from a global disaster, and we still don't know if the virus leaked from the lab, which was carrying out controversial 'gain of function' research.
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Well the crony capitalists want it both ways, pushing for our freedoms to be restricted but it's business as usual for them -or even a time of record profit headlines.Socialism is fine, but just sometimes?
I am sure most of these innovative drugs have been built on the back of scientific work by universities, research that is open source etc.. Science is a global thing, discoveries built on the back of other's work done previously. Big Pharma takes the piss a lot.
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I'm not disagreeing on the fact of the matter, don't get me wrong here.
But at the very start of the pandemic "certain" countries (read: USA) closed their borders and blocked goods to manufacture medical supplies from being exported. They even went as far as rerouting containers with supplies designated for other countries to theirs. Capitalism is a powerful thing, freedom comes with a hefty price I guess.
Do you really think the world can come together on regulating everything concerning covid until the end of this public health crisis? Even in the EU the members haven't given anything health-related out of their own hands.
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It would be tricky to accomplish, but if we were in the equivalent of war time for global health, millions dying, why not introduce measures on big pharma/science. Every time B.gates was interviewed he should've been asked to support it. This new drug, $700 dollars when it costs $20 to manufacture iirc, that is going to mean rationing. Once the crisis is basically over, then business returns to normal.
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No, they cannot, given the current setup, but they should and things need to change.
I knew the US paid silly amounts for drugs but I was not aware of how much. My naive mind was astonished by what was presented to be honest.
The USA clearly have significantly more motivation to profit from a pandemic than any other country. I would not be surprised to find out the pandemic was manufactured by them.
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It's strange science to have the govts/W.H.O. steadfastly point the finger at the wet market as the more probable source than the nearby virus experimenting lab.
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Irrefutable logic as far as I can tell:
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They had to extend it because the vaccine is being used under emergency powers
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Exactly as I predicted to you months ago the one and only reason why it will be extended.
ACT ONE Government say they won't impose restrictions *yet*. The trade unions, opposition MPs, and media talking heads all get on their soapboxes to insist "now is the time".
ACT TWO Giving impression of bowing to pressure, govt 'reluctantly' impose restrictions, as intended all along. Media castigate govt for 'delay'. Parameters of debate set at whether restrictions should've been imposed sooner, NOT whether they should've been imposed at all. 2/3
ACT THREE A critical mass of people see through charade, refuse to comply with unlawful restrictions, demand an end to the government assault on our freedoms. We're still waiting for Act Three.
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It was admitted yesterday that the NIH did fund gain of function research on animals in Wuhan on bats with coronavirus's in order to create a more potent variant. Which means that Fauci lied to congress under oath.
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I think that at this point they will have trouble getting those younger than middle aged to except the 3rd jab
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The Lions fully vaccinated.their keepers fully vaccinated yet 3 Lions become ill with Covid. Is it the vaccine that caused their illness?
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The letter shows the time old issue 'who polices the police', it reads very defensively, if ecoalliance and the lab were responsible they're not going to offer up the evidence that proves their guilt. The fbi couldn't do a swoop on the lab, and seize all the data and computers/equipment.
While it might appear that the similarity of RaTG13 and BANAL-52 bat coronavirusesto SARSCoV-2 is close because it overlaps by 96-97%, experts agree that even these viruses are far too divergent to have been the progenitor of SARS-CoV-2. For comparison, today’s
human genome is 96% similar to our closest ancestor, the chimpanzee. Humans and chimpanzees are thought to have diverged approximately 6 million years ago.
Their honesty and integrity must be doubted, as they never disclosed any of this Gof work using bat viruses had been undertaken and funded. It's required outside individuals to dig to get Nih to admit this much.
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What I find unbeliveable is that people get the jab and say these words like "the worst I felt was a sore arm" do they not think about the future, 6 months, 12 months down the line? as an example that would be like ingesting a poison that over time kills you slowly without any effects 2 or 3 months after you take it but then kills you or severely fucks you up 12 - 18 months later as it is slow release, it would be like drinking it then the next day professing well all I felt was an upset stomach.
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Given the released data, the third jab looks almost sterilising. 90+% effective at preventing even symptomatic illness. I will be having mine if I ever get offered it.
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I'm sure everyone has had the time to do their own research before making their decision of the vaccines and I have no issue with folks personal decisions.
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If the protection from 2 jabs declined, why wouldn't it do the same after a third ?
As the world amasses experience with COVID-19 vaccines, something we should have known from the start is coming into sharp focus.
Vaccines that are injected into arm muscles aren’t likely to be able to protect our nasal passages from marauding SARS-CoV-2 viruses for very long, even if they are doing a terrific job protecting lungs from the virus. If we want vaccines that protect our upper respiratory tracts, we may need products that are administered in the nose — intranasal vaccines.
Some immunology basics would be helpful to understand the issues at stake here.
SARS-2 attacks us via the respiratory tract, with the resulting infections causing no symptoms in some people, mild to moderate cold and flu-like symptoms in others, and severe, life-threatening illness in the lungs of others.
Vaccines that are injected into the arm have done a spectacular job at preventing severe disease and death. But they do not generate the kind of protection in the nasal passages that would be needed to block all infection. That’s called “sterilizing immunity.”
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As the world amasses experience with COVID-19 vaccines, something we should have known from the start is coming into sharp focus.
Vaccines that are injected into arm muscles aren’t likely to be able to protect our nasal passages from marauding SARS-CoV-2 viruses for very long, even if they are doing a terrific job protecting lungs from the virus. If we want vaccines that protect our upper respiratory tracts, we may need products that are administered in the nose — intranasal vaccines.
Some immunology basics would be helpful to understand the issues at stake here.
SARS-2 attacks us via the respiratory tract, with the resulting infections causing no symptoms in some people, mild to moderate cold and flu-like symptoms in others, and severe, life-threatening illness in the lungs of others.
Vaccines that are injected into the arm have done a spectacular job at preventing severe disease and death. But they do not generate the kind of protection in the nasal passages that would be needed to block all infection. That’s called “sterilizing immunity.”
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This is very vague I know but I think the statistics provided need worth watching IMO
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the fact it's Tucker Carlson, is all the reason I wont watch
Not because I'm left leaning, but because, they fully admit.....in court....they arent news, but entertainment
Not because I'm left leaning, but because, they fully admit.....in court....they arent news, but entertainment
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As you may know, I am skeptical of the entire covid response, including the vaccine. I will definitely not be having any vaccine even if I am treated like a Jew in Nazi Germany.
But what I can recommend is taking a daily supplement of Vit C D3 Zinc Quercetin. I have seen this recommended by many experts, and its been in use for 30+ years so nothing to lose and if it does help against covid why not.
This is the one I use
But what I can recommend is taking a daily supplement of Vit C D3 Zinc Quercetin. I have seen this recommended by many experts, and its been in use for 30+ years so nothing to lose and if it does help against covid why not.
This is the one I use
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I went to a concert in Newcastle last month and within a few days I got a chest infection. I already had Quercetin.vit C,vid D and Zink plus I have Chlorine Dioxide tablets (maybe the thing that orange man suggested as bleach?) . Within a day I was on the mend.
Quercetin is an alternative to Ivermectine/ Hydroxychloroquine.
No matter if your fully vaccinated or unvaccinated we are not offered a preventative until your ill enough to be admitted to hospital so I see no reason why folk do not except preventative medicines.
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That looks far too serious for me
I prefer mine to be made and marketed by superhero Pandas
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Oooh that is gelatine free as well 
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Have you not heard of this thing called 5G? Apparently we are all going to form the new UK 5G network, now that Huawei got the boot
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Peer reviewed papers have never had this before until recently. It seems that excepting peer reviewed papers then revoking them avoids giving a detailed explanation why due to the small print. An initial rejection required a detailed explanation.
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Good advice, the virus camps in your nasal and throat passage for several days, but is the iodine mouthwash available in uk.
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Florida and Ron DeSantis. A year ago he got rid of all mandates and has the the best rates for infections and the lowest death rates.
Florida's own Covid health website
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Just wow.
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Gain of function work on viruses must be considered dangerous Frankenstein stuff, and if the govt's ever decided the world's population needs culling, Gof gives them the exact tool.
Watching that video I can't help but wish Rand Paul would anticipate Fauci's escape routes more.
Watching that video I can't help but wish Rand Paul would anticipate Fauci's escape routes more.
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Just a bunch of conspiracy theorists and Snopes accredicted quacks discussing fake vaccine injuries, it's all a coincidence, nothing to see here just remember to grab your free sugar laden diabetes boosting healthy donut and get that jab!!!.
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I don't think that Rand Paul minds Fauci's word salad. I think his aim is to expose the truth.
They have ordered yet another new prob into covid's origins with mostly the same people that deliberately made a total fuck up of the last one.
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I will be streaming that to my tv this evening while slotting thanks
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