Corona virus - Covid 19 discussion

[goatwack]

I suppose it's the anonymity of the deed and how it 'appears' to be acted out by primitive hotheads.

Hyperbole on both sides has resulted in splitting everything into a duality of opinion so that no one debates the finer details of anything anymore.

I'd say spray-painting a GP surgery has some effect, but is more likely to allow your point to get lost. Far better to stand outside the practice and hand out leaflets or engage with people directly, if you want honest views. Could get hairy though so watch out

 

[geordiecolin]

Someone has spray painted in the last 24h "Say no to vaccines for kids" all across the front of one of the Dr's surgeries I visit in my line of work each day

As much as I agree, surely there is a better way of getting their point across ?

It will be interesting to see what the fallout will be after the deadlines for workers to get vaccinated or lose their jobs. I suspect that the whole of the care industries as well as hospitals will be in critical care if so many leave. I'm not too clued up on teachers and schooling?

 

[mack341]

There seem to be more reports of sudden deaths in the news, reported as such and such died after a short illness -covid19 not mentioned- quite youngish 20-50 or healthy looking.

Could be cancer but I think severe covid vax reactions may be involved in some, still rare but it can't be right to hide potential reactions to medical interventions; at the end of the day it is a medicinal product, so all reviews/news, good and bad, should be in the public domain, no censorship.

 

[geordiecolin]

There seem to be more reports of sudden deaths in the news, reported as such and such died after a short illness -covid19 not mentioned- quite youngish 20-50 or healthy looking.

Could be cancer but I think severe covid vax reactions may be involved in some, still rare but it can't be right to hide potential reactions to medical interventions; at the end of the day it is a medicinal product, so all reviews/news, good and bad, should be in the public domain, no censorship.

I know countless people who have became ill with various ailments,including heart issues.One friend who had to have the two jabs to keep her job went to see her doctor about her racing heart and he organised her to be fitted with a 24hr heart monitor. That was over a 6 weeks ago and she still has not had it due to a shortage of monitors. I was fitted with one about 6 years ago and I was wearing it within 1 day of the doc ordering it.

 

[sufferinsilence]

There seem to be more reports of sudden deaths in the news, reported as such and such died after a short illness -covid19 not mentioned- quite youngish 20-50 or healthy looking.

Could be cancer but I think severe covid vax reactions may be involved in some, still rare but it can't be right to hide potential reactions to medical interventions; at the end of the day it is a medicinal product, so all reviews/news, good and bad, should be in the public domain, no censorship.

Whilst it could be severe vaccine reactions, the exact reason why someone passed is not something that is usually published in obituaries over here. Most of the time you won't know if you didn't know the deceased. Maybe that's different over there.

It could also just be you're paying more attention to obituaries now than you did before. Something about causality.

 

[mack341]

I know countless people who have became ill with various ailments,including heart issues.One friend who had to have the two jabs to keep her job went to see her doctor about her racing heart and he organised her to be fitted with a 24hr heart monitor. That was over a 6 weeks ago and she still has not had it due to a shortage of monitors. I was fitted with one about 6 years ago and I was wearing it within 1 day of the doc ordering it.

Apparently finland, denmark norway and possibly sweden, have suspended the use of 1 vax for boys 12+, due to heart issues. Nowhere on the bbc though afaik.

 

[sufferinsilence]

Apparently finland, denmark norway and possibly sweden, have suspended the use of 1 vax for boys 12+, due to heart issues. Nowhere on the bbc though afaik.

A simple google query brings me to the BMJ website as first hit and AP, Reuters amongst other MSM outlets on the 1st page of results.

They suspended the Moderna vaccine.

 

[geordiecolin]

Apparently finland, denmark norway and possibly sweden, have suspended the use of 1 vax for boys 12+, due to heart issues. Nowhere on the bbc though afaik.

I have not watched BBC since covid began. It is rotten to the core. It still sees nothing wrong with having a statue outside its main building of a naked child sculpted by Erik Gill. A man who raped his two young daughters,had a relationship with his sister and even did the family dog! Then there is the cover ups and them knowing,supporting and covering up the behaviour of all of those perverts

 

[goatwack]

Watching the BBC and Sky News does invoke feelings of nausea, in no small part down to their sheer brazen bias. Coupled with opinion- pieces as opposed to actual reporting, whether it be about Covid or Br.......Bre........"the other one"

This is why I like to get my sources from credible outlets like the Daily Mail, Fox News, The Sun etc

Also mystified as to why the BBC found inspiration in making a drama based on Jimmy Savile?

Firstly, how they're likely to 'omit' a few choice details as 'dramatic licence' no doubt, and secondly, how they thought it would make for entertainment of any sort. The BBC are so far gone I really wished they were put out of commission for good

 

[ternur]

Apparently finland, denmark norway and possibly sweden, have suspended the use of 1 vax for boys 12+, due to heart issues. Nowhere on the bbc though afaik.

This is correct. Finland currently does not inoculate males under 30 with moderna. The vaccine was suspended early October.

The reason given was the increased risk for myocarditis. I believe there have been less than 5 cases (reported) where they've suspected myocarditis after the second dose.

 

[mack341]

A simple google query brings me to the BMJ website as first hit and AP, Reuters amongst other MSM outlets on the 1st page of results.

They suspended the Moderna vaccine.

They wouldn't know to look unless they had heard the story, the bbc's news output (tv/radio) is generally where most uk parent's learn of things. I'd say this is news relevant to them, esp seeing as the jcvi recently advised against on similar grounds. I've just checked the coronavirus section on the bbc website, must have 20 articles/news pieces, no room for this though. Maybe they don't know about it

 

[goatwack]

See?

Just shows you that Belgians, Scandis & Brits can disagree on things but still remain civil about it

 

[sufferinsilence]

They wouldn't know to look unless they had heard the story, the bbc's news output (tv/radio) is generally where most uk parent's learn of things. I'd say this is news relevant to them, esp seeing as the jcvi recently advised against on similar grounds. I've just checked the coronavirus section on the bbc website, must have 20 articles/news pieces, no room for this though. Maybe they don't know about it

I agree the news is relevant in a broader sense of having the knowledge.

But on the other hand the Pfizer vaccine is given to kids in the UK (afaik) so it might not be that relevant to parents in the UK. I don't know the kinda info they're given before they give consent, or don't give consent, to have their kid jabbed but I'm sure there is info available on the Pfizer vaccine. I know there's reports about myocarditis in young adults due to it too, but only (?) after the 2nd jab whilst kids are given only 1.

 

[sufferinsilence]

See?

Just shows you that Belgians, Scandis & Brits can disagree on things but still remain civil about it

Looks like a scene when Newcastle is playing Antwerp rather than a civil discussion

 

[ladyhawke]

[...] Nicky Minaj said it makes your balls swell, so I bailed

I Guess That's Why They Call It the Blues...

 

[ladyhawke]

[...]

Even 3 Pfizer scientists where caught on camera admitting that natural immunity provided more protection that the vax.

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Ah yes. That stand-up organisation that reports the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. And doesn't demean itself by selectively editing videos to imply its subjects said things they did not, promoting misleading and false information, and is effectively a far-right activist group.

That Project Veritas?

 

[geordiecolin]

Ah yes. That stand-up organisation that reports the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. And doesn't demean itself by selectively editing videos to imply its subjects said things they did not, promoting misleading and false information, and is effectively a far-right activist group.

That Project Veritas?

The videos are out there where you can see and hear the words coming from their own mouths. If they where guilty of editing any of their footage you can be sure that Pfizer with their billions and reputation to uphold and given the damage it would cause if ever the footage was shown on msm would take them to court and bankrupt them.
It will never happen

 

[geordiecolin]

They wouldn't know to look unless they had heard the story, the bbc's news output (tv/radio) is generally where most uk parent's learn of things. I'd say this is news relevant to them, esp seeing as the jcvi recently advised against on similar grounds. I've just checked the coronavirus section on the bbc website, must have 20 articles/news pieces, no room for this though. Maybe they don't know about it

How politely put Mack

 

[LoopsterAU]

I will just put this video here and see if people agree or disagree, he hits basic logic with answers from CDC.

 

[ladyhawke]

The videos are out there where you can see and hear the words coming from their own mouths. If they where guilty of editing any of their footage you can be sure that Pfizer with their billions and reputation to uphold and given the damage it would cause if ever the footage was shown on msm would take them to court and bankrupt them.
It will never happen

This is the part I don't understand. Substitute Pfizer with the names of many others who have suffered irreparable damage to their reputations by being accused of being Satanists and paedophiles - Tom Hanks, Bill Gates, the Obamas, Mike Pence, etc. etc. etc. - some of whom are definitely rich enough to sue, and yet they don't? Why is that?

 

[geordiecolin]

This is the part I don't understand. Substitute Pfizer with the names of many others who have suffered irreparable damage to their reputations by being accused of being Satanists and paedophiles - Tom Hanks, Bill Gates, the Obamas, Mike Pence, etc. etc. etc. - some of whom are definitely rich enough to sue, and yet they don't? Why is that?

I have no idea what relation this post has to do with Pfizer Scientists stating on camera that natural immunity is better that having the vaccine?

 

[ladyhawke]

I have no idea what relation this post has to do with Pfizer Scientists stating on camera that natural immunity is better that having the vaccine?

Probably nothing.

I got sidetracked and posted my replay before I had time to finish the rest of it.

 

[ladyhawke]

[...] Pfizer Scientists stating on camera that natural immunity is better that having the vaccine?

The Project Veritas’ Pfizer video included undercover interviews with three Pfizer scientists, including Nick Karl.

However, this supposed 'revelation' from Nick Karl that "antibodies lead to equal, if not better, protection against COVID-19 than any vaccine" conveniently omitted Karl's own statement that, in order to obtain this immunity, people would not only have had to have caught the virus in the first place, but also to have survived it.

And to put this "stunning revelation' into perspective, the consensus by the world-wide scientific community has already recognized that COVID-19 infections confer some degree of immunity — and they still overwhelmingly favour vaccination.

So what Karl was saying is not exactly world-breaking news. And Karl himself still recommends vaccinations.

So yup....misleadingly edited video as stated above.

 

[mack341]

Favouring and recommending is fine, but we're moving towards mandatory and coercion, that's the background the project veritas vid is set against. Natural immunity from surviving a covid 19 infection is not being recognised by the authorities, which is clearly anti-scientific reasoning - to ignore the basis of immunity and the immune system doing its job.

If I get flu next week and survive it, why would I be then required to get vaccinated for it afterwards, otherwise life is restricted, it makes no medical or scientific sense.

 

[sufferinsilence]

Favouring and recommending is fine, but we're moving towards mandatory and coercion, that's the background the project veritas vid is set against. Natural immunity from surviving a covid 19 infection is not being recognised by the authorities, which is clearly anti-scientific reasoning - to ignore the basis of immunity and the immune system doing its job.

If I get flu next week and survive it, why would I be then required to get vaccinated for it afterwards, otherwise life is restricted, it makes no medical or scientific sense.

It is here.

And in the Netherlands too afaik. Probably more countries but I'm not really researching it.

 

[dunover]

I have not watched BBC since covid began. It is rotten to the core. It still sees nothing wrong with having a statue outside its main building of a naked child sculpted by Erik Gill. A man who raped his two young daughters,had a relationship with his sister and even did the family dog! Then there is the cover ups and them knowing,supporting and covering up the behaviour of all of those perverts

What, and he never got to be a Labour councillor??

 

[geordiecolin]

The Project Veritas’ Pfizer video included undercover interviews with three Pfizer scientists, including Nick Karl.

However, this supposed 'revelation' from Nick Karl that "antibodies lead to equal, if not better, protection against COVID-19 than any vaccine" conveniently omitted Karl's own statement that, in order to obtain this immunity, people would not only have had to have caught the virus in the first place, but also to have survived it.

And to put this "stunning revelation' into perspective, the consensus by the world-wide scientific community has already recognized that COVID-19 infections confer some degree of immunity — and they still overwhelmingly favour vaccination.

So what Karl was saying is not exactly world-breaking news. And Karl himself still recommends vaccinations.

So yup....misleadingly edited video as stated above.

The stunning revelation that in order to obtain immunity from covid you not only have to catch it but survive it is just as true with any bug you can think of so that "convenient omission" is totally and obviously moot. And everyone who has already had the jab has an obvious reason to want to believe that they made the correct choice just as every Pfizer employee has every reason to endorse it despite stating that they know that natural immunity is and always has been best for the vast majority of people. Most people do get over covid just as they do with getting the Flu.
I am not posting to defend all things project varitas or to defend a left or right agenda but please provide evidence that project varitas accused "Tom Hanks, Bill Gates, the Obamas, Mike Pence, etc. etc. etc of being satanists and paedophiles" I would simply be interested to watch those videos.

Below is just one video of them admitting to camera that immunity is better.



And a video of Johnson and Johnson staff admitting that kids do not need the vaccine.



And an emergency room doc caught on cam

 

[geordiecolin]

What, and he never got to be a Labour councillor??

I think he was too busy with his other activities as far as I understand
Oh and I made a terrible mistake about Gill. He did not have sex with his sister at all. He had sex with his sisters!

 

[mack341]

It is here.

And in the Netherlands too afaik. Probably more countries but I'm not really researching it.

Yes I have heard of a few countries accepting previous infection for their pass.(something like within the last 6mths) In the uk care workers will be fired, regardless if they have acquired immunity, if they're not double jabbed. This seems to be the US position with their mandates, nurses and health staff fired.

The vaccines afaik do not prevent transmission, whereas natural acquired immunity provides a stronger defence response in your upper respiratory tract. So a nurse who caught and got over the infection shouldn't be let go, until tests or science determine natural immunity disappears, further contact with covid probably acts like a booster. The stated goal from the consensus scientists, WHO, govt's was herd immunity via vaccination, now they know that isn't possible. (with the current vaxes)

 

[geordiecolin]

Half of Chicago's police have refused to get the vaccine and today is the deadline for them to do so or lose their jobs. A city that's crime rate has sky rocketed in the past year. Are we going to witness carnage this winter in all of the emergency services and military this winter in America,the UK and elsewhere or will the mandates be revoked?

 

[geordiecolin]

OMG. I just remembered this.

 

[mack341]

Half of Chicago's police have refused to get the vaccine and today is the deadline for them to do so or lose their jobs. A city that's crime rate has sky rocketed in the past year. Are we going to witness carnage this winter in all of the emergency services and military this winter in America,the UK and elsewhere or will the mandates be revoked?

The establishment don't seem to care, just hell-bent on forcing the public to have these 'first of their kind', leaky protection vaxxes.

 

[mack341]

OMG. I just remembered this.

Ear worm territory GC, I've had to turn it off as I could see myself singing about chicago dying, over the next couple of days!

 

[geordiecolin]

The establishment don't seem to care, just hell-bent on forcing the public to have these 'first of their kind', leaky protection vaxxes.

Lets face it. Unless they want society to crumble and those who are unwell die they will have to give up unless they have other cards up their sleeve?
Chicago's Mayor was all for defunding the police last year and now she faces having half of their police force cover this weekend turned away at the door. Over 50 murders are their average weekend tally. Lets see how this weekend goes. Add to that Doc's,nurses and all other health workers.
All front line workers who you would think would know all things covid

 

[goatwack]

Italy's also got a bit of 'unrest' at present, now that the government's brought in the mandatory Green Pass, for ALL workers

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[geordiecolin]

Italy's also got a bit of 'unrest' at present, now that the government's brought in the mandatory Green Pass, for ALL workers

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And to think that this time last year most folk where under the illusion that the vaccine would be the cure all and we would be looking forward to a wonderful Christmas time today!

 

[goatwack]

And to think that this time last year most folk where under the illusion that the vaccine would be the cure all and we would be looking forward to a wonderful Christmas time today!

Easy tiger, it's not for another 2 months

 

[geordiecolin]

Easy tiger, it's not for another 2 months

I was warning family and friends(I may have suggested in here more than once) to buy ahead and stock up on essentials months ago. But I think we will do ok for pigs in blankets this year?

 

[sufferinsilence]

My Christmas 2020 wasn't impacted at all by covid and I suspect neither will this years "festivities"

 

[geordiecolin]

My Christmas 2020 wasn't impacted at all by covid and I suspect neither will this years "festivities"

I'm not sure if I should say sorry to hear that or congratulations Suffer?

 

[goatwack]

My Christmas 2020 wasn't impacted at all by covid and I suspect neither will this years "festivities"

You Europeans, always have to rub it in.

Spare a thought for us Brexited Brits, watching repeats of Poirot by the makeshift fire, without Brussel sprouts

 

[geordiecolin]

You Europeans, always have to rub it in.

Spare a thought for us Brexited Brits, watching repeats of Poirot by the makeshift fire, without Brussel sprouts

Mr Chopley manages to consume copious amounts of brussels sprouts without ever once suffering from the flatulence he provides in the brexit thread so I heard.

 

[sufferinsilence]

I'm not sure if I should say sorry to hear that or congratulations Suffer?

Oh, I'm fine with it. Still have PTSD from the family gatherings when I was young so happy I don't have to attend such events anymore

 

[geordiecolin]

Oh, I'm fine with it. Still have PTSD from the family gatherings when I was young so happy I don't have to attend such events anymore

I have no idea about the story behind that Suffer but I do now understand your last post. Respect mate

 

[sufferinsilence]

You Europeans, always have to rub it in.

Spare a thought for us Brexited Brits, watching repeats of Poirot by the makeshift fire, without Brussel sprouts

Been more and more reports lately about some of the bigger chain stores having delivery issues due to not enough drivers. I think it was something like 4000 essential jobs not getting filled.

 

[geordiecolin]

Good night all. I've been on one this evening in CM for some reason. Off to slot before bed

 

[geordiecolin]

The stunning revelation that in order to obtain immunity from covid you not only have to catch it but survive it is just as true with any bug you can think of so that "convenient omission" is totally and obviously moot. And everyone who has already had the jab has an obvious reason to want to believe that they made the correct choice just as every Pfizer employee has every reason to endorse it despite stating that they know that natural immunity is and always has been best for the vast majority of people. Most people do get over covid just as they do with getting the Flu.
I am not posting to defend all things project varitas or to defend a left or right agenda but please provide evidence that project varitas accused "Tom Hanks, Bill Gates, the Obamas, Mike Pence, etc. etc. etc of being satanists and paedophiles" I would simply be interested to watch those videos.

Below is just one video of them admitting to camera that immunity is better.



And a video of Johnson and Johnson staff admitting that kids do not need the vaccine.



And an emergency room doc caught on cam

The stunning revelation that in order to obtain immunity from covid you not only have to catch it but survive it is just as true with any bug you can think of so that "convenient omission" is totally and obviously moot. And everyone who has already had the jab has an obvious reason to want to believe that they made the correct choice just as every Pfizer employee has every reason to endorse it despite stating that they know that natural immunity is and always has been best for the vast majority of people. Most people do get over covid just as they do with getting the Flu.
I am not posting to defend all things project varitas or to defend a left or right agenda but please provide evidence that project varitas accused "Tom Hanks, Bill Gates, the Obamas, Mike Pence, etc. etc. etc of being satanists and paedophiles" I would simply be interested to watch those videos.

Below is just one video of them admitting to camera that immunity is better.



And a video of Johnson and Johnson staff admitting that kids do not need the vaccine.



And an emergency room doc caught on cam

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@ladyhawke
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[Mr_Slot5]

The jab is there to ensure you don’t get severe illness when you do catch COVID. Not too sure why it’s difficult to understand that. I’d rather catch COVID having already got some antibodies than play Russian roulette with it. Most of us will get it at some point as it becomes entirely endemic.

Each to their own though.

 

[geordiecolin]

The jab is there to ensure you don’t get severe illness when you do catch COVID. Not too sure why it’s difficult to understand that. I’d rather catch COVID having already got some antibodies than play Russian roulette with it. Most of us will get it at some point as it becomes entirely endemic.

Each to their own though.

Let us see how this winter pans out

 

[dionysus]

shit - id sooner have a shot (or 2) and fight a virus, than none and fight it heartily
Ya, I'm pretty healthful, young (ish) to come out the other side
Still - im big on...better safe(r) than sorry