Corona virus - Covid 19 discussion

[ChopleyIOM]

Meanwhile, in New Zealand.

Remember, lockdowns don't work *


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[pinnit2014]

I've mentioned it before in this thread, I think there should be criminal trials once this is over and the contracts are looked into. Look at the food parcels they were sending out, most schools are going to vouchers now (which they should have been from day 1) but no mention of the company who ripped kids off having to pay any money back.

It is, pardon the pun, rich - in my old days of working in a local authority, they'd get hauled over the coals for even getting something at 30k without 4 quotes etc, yet here we're dealing in 100's of millions.

Unfortunately, probably won't happen - it'll be pushed to one side under a generic 'wasn't best value', or a rap on the knuckles for failure to meet procurement regulations blah blah.

Don't know if you seen but the National Audit Office looked at some of this up to July ish and their conclusion were:

And here lies the issue with Covid as well - the 'exceptional circumstances' will be rolled out as an excuse essentially for fraudulent/ciminal behaviour - not just here, but elsewhere.

Retrospective awarding by the way is normally a softer way of saying 'there was dodgyness going on'

 

[ChopleyIOM]

A very powerful cartoon in a UK newspaper today, as Covid deaths in the country approach 100K, and it suffers the highest Covid death rate per million people in the world.

 

[Kroffe]

Meanwhile, in New Zealand.

Remember, lockdowns don't work *


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Swift & consistent action eh?

She should make a world tour so we can get rid of this thing.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

There was a special report on Sky News about Covid this morning, I grabbed it on catch-up and have uploaded it to my channel as an Unlisted video.

Worth ten minutes of everyone's time.

They spent a couple days in a UK ICU at the end of last week. Real hospital, real doctors and nurses, real patients, a genuine report about the state of things with Covid at the moment.

 

[Jono777]

@ChopleyIOM - Hey matey, can you check you PM folder please

 

[slotplayer]

World Vaccine Rollout Tracker

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[mack341]

Interesting as well, above the box with HCQ, it says 'fresh air/ reduce reinoculation'

“It is well recognized that COVID-19 exists outside the human body in a bioaerosol of airborne particles and droplets. Since exhaled air in an infected person is considered to be “loaded” with inoculum, each exhalation and inhalation is effectively reinoculation.”

They add: “We propose that fresh air could reduce reinoculation and potentially reduce the severity of illness and possibly reduce household spread during quarantine. This calls for open windows, fans for aeration, or spending long periods of time outdoors away from others with no face covering in order to disperse and not re-inhale the viral bioaerosol.”

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Difficult to do though in winter or uk cold weather while indoors, but if somebody has the initial symptoms and quarantines at home then possibly fresh air is very important rather than inhaling and exhaling their own covid infected air?

 

[michaelwilson]

Unfortunately, noone can escape corona for sure. As for me the whole my family was ill and I'm the only one who escaped the illness. And it is so frightening actually. Stay safe guys and take care of yourself!

 

[slotplayer]

So much for the lockdowns. Whitmer is the Gov they plotted to kidnap.

California is opening up as well.

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The new UK discovered strain is in 21 states now and projected to be in all 50 states by March. With that in mind is opening up a good idea?

 

[mack341]

So much for the lockdowns. Whitmer is the Gov they plotted to kidnap.

California is opening up as well.

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The new UK discovered strain is in 21 states now and projected to be in all 50 states by March. With that in mind is opening up a good idea?

Is this about creating a feel-good moment of 'back to normality' under Joe; I was sceptical hard lockdowns were brought in to damage Trumps re-election chances, but possibly that wasn't far fetched if measures are to be reversed just like that [esp by democrats such as whitmer who was very pro lockdowns]

I also recently saw the new york govener say 'we need to open up again (carefully) otherwise there will be nothing of the local economy left', something like that.

Edit: Just reading Governor Newsom is also facing a recall petition, which now has over 1 million signatures and needs about another 400,000, so is he lifting lockdown measures to save his job?

 

[slotplayer]

Is this about creating a feel-good moment of 'back to normality' under Joe; I was sceptical hard lockdowns were brought in to damage Trumps re-election chances, but possibly that wasn't far fetched

I saw the new york govener say 'we need to open up again (carefully) otherwise there will be nothing of the local economy left', something like that.

Perhaps the lockdown were stretched out for political reasons. Could be just be the states need (tax) revenue, most likely both.

 

[slotplayer]

Is this about creating a feel-good moment of 'back to normality' under Joe; I was sceptical hard lockdowns were brought in to damage Trumps re-election chances, but possibly that wasn't far fetched if measures are to be reversed just like that [esp by democrats such as whitmer who was very pro lockdowns]

I also recently saw the new york govener say 'we need to open up again (carefully) otherwise there will be nothing of the local economy left', something like that.

Edit: Just reading Governor Newsom is also facing a recall petition, which now has over 1 million signatures and needs about another 400,000, so is he lifting lockdown measures to save his job?

Yes, I think I mentioned he was facing a recall in a post some time ago. Not surprised.
In the end a go fund me page raised, last I heard $100K after the media including Fox aired it.

 

[dionysus]

Stilll getting hammered here.
I recognize these numbers arent in the league of the UK/US
Just, bear in mind, theyre also, concentrated numbers - in other words, for a vast, spread out country, getting hit 'en masse' by the variant
10 bucks says, another summer write-off and 2021 shaping to be worse than 2020

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[colinsunderland]

Stilll getting hammered here.
I recognize these numbers arent in the league of the UK/US
Just, bear in mind, theyre also, concentrated numbers - in other words, for a vast, spread out country, getting hit 'en masse' by the variant
10 bucks says, another summer write-off and 2021 shaping to be worse than 2020

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One death is too many, hope you manage to get it under control over there. Our cases have fell massively, although it is a Monday so they do tend to be lower, but not that much, which hopefully is a good sign.

 

[dionysus]

One death is too many, hope you manage to get it under control over there. Our cases have fell massively, although it is a Monday so they do tend to be lower, but not that much, which hopefully is a good sign.

Agreed.
Those numbers could, and should, have been drastically reduced, but for the (insert preferred pejorative of choice here) not adhering to basic common sense protocols

 

[geordiecolin]

Yes, I think I mentioned he was facing a recall in a post some time ago. Not surprised.
In the end a go fund me page raised, last I heard $100K after the media including Fox aired it.

It was and is so been manipulated for political gain

 

[Playford7]

Much needed corona cooking..

fish and chips, mushy peas and bread and butter..

utterly hardcore British food..

doused in sarsons vinegar and Saxa salt..

lurpak on the bread..

And Heinz tomato sauce, yes sauce not ketchup ffs.

 

[sufferinsilence]

Much needed corona cooking..

fish and chips, mushy peas and bread and butter..

utterly hardcore British food..

doused in sarsons vinegar and Saxa salt..

lurpak on the bread..

And Heinz tomato sauce, yes sauce not ketchup ffs.View attachment 149667

Has Brexit hit so hard you have to eat this? I'm sorry you have to go through this.

 

[Slottery]

Much needed corona cooking..

fish and chips, mushy peas and bread and butter..

utterly hardcore British food..

doused in sarsons vinegar and Saxa salt..

lurpak on the bread..

And Heinz tomato sauce, yes sauce not ketchup ffs.View attachment 149667

Hope you show your support and start to use UK catched fish, i'm sure that would do in there, nobody taste what's in that mess, especially after deepfrying

Travelled from Malta to Finland to get passport renewed, planes and airports almost empty which probably is good at the time, none of flights i took were passengers sitting next to each others but middle seat was fee (almost like in business class ), in Frankfurt airport only one lounge was open so it was maybe even bit more packed than normally, only visited there twice before so not really experts about that airports lounge scene, at least there still was plenty of spcace and no need to be near of anyone when sitting.

Got one PCR test done to get result just before traveling as often it have to be taken 48-72h before arrival which can make timing bit challenging, but good if it reduce travelling when mostly if wanna be sure to get it in time, have to take private one and pay something around 150 euros, having other one here in Finland looks to be bit over 200 eur so for sure it affect some people traveling when you pay more for these fcking tests than your trip

Being self isolated at hotel, feeling ok and end of the week might meet up with some friends, then hopefully next week away from here, Lufthansa reduced their flights quite a lot and got mine postponed from 1st to 5th so extra week cold and dark. Beer is good, i start to be certain that beer consumption is Finnish silver bullet against covid, it just works and even you would be sick, makes you feel better.

 

[irish-ranger]

Much needed corona cooking..

fish and chips, mushy peas and bread and butter..

utterly hardcore British food..

doused in sarsons vinegar and Saxa salt..

lurpak on the bread..

And Heinz tomato sauce, yes sauce not ketchup ffs.View attachment 149667

Unfortunately u failed at the British hardcore as lurpak is hardcore Danish lol

 

[Borgie]

Daily Brief: UK Covid death toll surpasses 100,000, PHE figures show

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[slotplayer]

Daily Brief: UK Covid death toll surpasses 100,000, PHE figures show

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Saw that on Worldometer. I posted a couple weeks ago the UK would hit 100K by end of Feb and US 500K by end of Feb. Then the UK numbers just exploded. US is still on track (as of today) for ballpark 500K by end of Feb.

Could explode here as well but the # of vaccinated by then may mitigate it. Although Biden said 600K+.

Clearly its the new strain and Health Officials played it down not to worry everyone it seems.

Also heard on news they're worried about the Brazilian Strain. Anyone hear the same?

 

[colinsunderland]

Todays UK figures. Over 100k deaths in total now ffs, yet some stupid twats still think it's no worse than the flu.

20,089 cases in the UK. -13,266
1,631 deaths in the UK. +21
3,341 patients admitted to hospital in the UK. -293
37,561 patients in hospital in the UK. -385
4,032 patients on ventilation in the UK. +116

Could explode here as well but the # of vaccinated by then may mitigate it. Although Biden said 600K+.

How are you doing on vaccinations over there, I think we are doing pretty well, over 2 million a week. At least our cases are coming down massively now and that should show an effect on the other numbers shortly.

6,853,327 (279,757) people have received 1st dose of vaccination in the UK. +2,586,750

 

[slotplayer]

Todays UK figures. Over 100k deaths in total now ffs, yet some stupid twats still think it's no worse than the flu.

20,089 cases in the UK. -13,266
1,631 deaths in the UK. +21
3,341 patients admitted to hospital in the UK. -293
37,561 patients in hospital in the UK. -385
4,032 patients on ventilation in the UK. +116


How are you doing on vaccinations over there, I think we are doing pretty well, over 2 million a week. At least our cases are coming down massively now and that should show an effect on the other numbers shortly.

6,853,327 (279,757) people have received 1st dose of vaccination in the UK. +2,586,750

I think I posted a link to a world vaccine tracker. UK is doing really good. US is okay, the media thinks its an utter disaster but the tracker says otherwise.

You have to scroll to the middle of the page and wait a couple seconds for the data to populate.

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[dealer wins]

Quick question for all those who think lockdowns work and reduce deaths, why isnt Sweden not No1 by a country mile, its not even in the top 20?

 

[cncas2123]

Quick question for all those who think lockdowns work and reduce deaths, why isnt Sweden not No1 by a country mile, its not even in the top 20?

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Quick question for anyone who doesnt believe lockdowns work.
How come New Zealand, Australia, Singapore, Taiwan etc never appear on any of these lists unless you scroll down to the very bottom?
Why the fixation with Sweden? Swedish politicians agree that their strategy didnt work, how come you seem to know better?

 

[dionysus]

Just a 2 cents jump in, as myself and kin, become increasingly frusrtated.
Lockdown works, if youre actually willing to lock down, and dont go on tirades of memememe, ef the govt, par-tayyyyyy and hang with 'ya peeps'

There's still 100 things can go sideways, but good gods, socialize less, stay home, keep your bubble and circle small, and adhere to even basic cautionary measures.


The problem wont go away, because people wont even adhere to the simple, cautionary measures.


Dont want lockdowns? Stop being selfish dicks Simples, really. Help, dont hurt,the efforts


I understand it sounds simple. But it is but to the simpletons.

 

[dealer wins]

Quick question for anyone who doesnt believe lockdowns work.
How come New Zealand, Australia, Singapore, Taiwan etc never appear on any of these lists unless you scroll down to the very bottom?
Why the fixation with Sweden? Swedish politicians agree that their strategy didnt work, how come you seem to know better?

Well it worked better than ours and all of the other 19 countries on the list. And most if not all of them had lockdowns

 

[colinsunderland]

Quick question for all those who think lockdowns work and reduce deaths, why isnt Sweden not No1 by a country mile, its not even in the top 20?

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Apart from the fact thats been explained to you multiple times, by multiple people, why would anyone answer your question when you never answer any?

How come the cases have fell 75% in the UK in the past couple of weeks while we are in lockdown, when according to you, lockdown increases transmission rates?

 

[Playford7]

Has Brexit hit so hard you have to eat this? I'm sorry you have to go through this.

Don’t you worry tonight’s offerings will be superb and make up for upsetting you last night.

 

[dealer wins]

Apart from the fact thats been explained to you multiple times, by multiple people, why would anyone answer your question when you never answer any?

How come the cases have fell 75% in the UK in the past couple of weeks while we are in lockdown, when according to you, lockdown increases transmission

Weve been in lockdown since October, they have to start coming down at some point as A we near herd immunity, and B vaccinate millions.

 

[colinsunderland]

Weve been in lockdown since October, they have to start coming down at some point as A we near herd immunity, and B vaccinate millions.

no we haven't
how come they dropped in similar numbers in april/may? no vaccine then, nowhere near heard immunity then (as is the case now)

 

[dealer wins]

no we haven't
how come they dropped in similar numbers in april/may? no vaccine then, nowhere near heard immunity then (as is the case now)

Cases dropped as the exceptionally sunny and warm spring brought down the numbers.

These viruses thrive best in cold weather, we were fortunate to have glorious weather which sent it packing, despite the lockdown. The lockdown that had hindered getting to herd immunity, allowed possibly loads more mutations worldwide and the reason why we are in the state we are now.

 

[colinsunderland]

Cases dropped as the exceptionally sunny and warm spring brought down the numbers.

These viruses thrive best in cold weather, we were fortunate to have glorious weather which sent it packing, despite the lockdown. The lockdown that had hindered getting to herd immunity, allowed possibly loads more mutations worldwide and the reason why we are in the state we are now.

there is something seriously wrong with you.
why did cases start falling in the second week of November, 2 weeks into the lockdown, when it was freezing?

 

[dealer wins]

Sweden seem to be doing much much better than us dont they. Lockdowns dont work, are making things worse and more prolonged, and costing our economy and future health and prosperity massively. They are an immoral policy which once all this is over, will be never used again IMO.

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[Playford7]

Sweden seem to be doing much much better than us dont they. Lockdowns dont work, are making things worse and more prolonged, and costing our economy and future health and prosperity massively. They are an immoral policy which once all this is over, will be never used again IMO.

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It’s the same as NZ mate,

many state how superb they done... but it’s a totally pointless comparison
Due to the geography alone.

it’s a case of shoulda, woulda, coulda...

only set to get worse however.

 

[sufferinsilence]

I don't think Taiwan had a lockdown, they just knew what to do because of being prepared due to SARS. We're just stubborn, we saw what SARS did in Asia and didn't prepare properly even tho scientists have been warning us for all those years there would be a pandemic with one of these viruses.

And then you have those crazies who think this is planned for better 5G or something like that

 

[dealer wins]

Still waiting for a credible reason Sweden is not even in the top 20 of countries with the highest death rates?

 

[colinsunderland]

Still waiting for a credible reason Sweden is not even in the top 20 of countries with the highest death rates?

Still waiting for answers to the dozens of questions you've been asked. Whats the point you are trying to make?

 

[dealer wins]

I have answered more of yours tonight than you have mine ever lol

 

[slotmaster]

Still waiting for answers to the dozens of questions you've been asked. Whats the point you are trying to make?

Sound like me with the government agency and my legal issue, lol. Still waiting for my questions to be answered. Nobody wants to answer questions anymore especially when they are in the wrong.

I told my co-workers about dealer wins today. Our numbers are down again today still under a so-called lockdown here. Again if it was a proper lockdown and everyone followed protocols we would not have to be in lockdown at all right now.

 

[Kroffe]

Still waiting for a credible reason Sweden is not even in the top 20 of countries with the highest death rates?

Big country, not alot of people.
Sweden is about 1.9 times bigger than United Kingdom.
Uk population: 66.6 million
Sweden population: 10.2 million

Obviously big cities will be closer to the uk numbers in terms of how populated they are, but thats also where we have been hit the hardest by covid.
Its just harder for the virus to spread here.

 

[dealer wins]

Big country, not alot of people.
Sweden is about 1.9 times bigger than United Kingdom.
Uk population: 66.6 million
Sweden population: 10.2 million

Obviously big cities will be closer to the uk numbers in terms of how populated they are, but thats also where we have been hit the hardest by covid.
Its just easier to avoid the virus here.

Yeah, but they didnt lock down at all. They should be top of that chart, by miles by peoples reasoning here!! Yet not even in the top 20.

 

[cncas2123]

Yeah, but they didnt lock down at all. They should be top of that chart, by miles by peoples reasoning here!! Yet not even in the top 20.

So what about New Zealand, Australia, Singapore? They locked down, by your logic Covid should have run rampant and half the population should be throwing themselves of top of tall buildings.... and I dont think either of those happened.
Care to explain...

 

[mack341]

New zealand is used as an example that lockdowns work, but overall that looks very much like a one-off results wise with the rest of the world, maybe shutting the borders and having plenty of space [low population density] are the key requirements, otherwise the results don't tend to be much to cheer about.

England 432 pop density sq km
new zealand 18

Florida and california have similar stats [once size of pop adjusted] yet florida didn't do a strict lockdown compared to california and also has quite an elderly population.

Could be the following of the basic rules, social distancing and handwashing etc.., make just as much difference as anything else more strict, but is the uk too crowded in the cities for that to have worked, there is not enough room to social distance effectively?

 

[Davey86]

Big country, not alot of people.
Sweden is about 1.9 times bigger than United Kingdom.
Uk population: 66.6 million
Sweden population: 10.2 million

Obviously big cities will be closer to the uk numbers in terms of how populated they are, but thats also where we have been hit the hardest by covid.
Its just easier to avoid the virus here.

The bear nails it right on the head for you dealer

 

[dealer wins]

So what about New Zealand, Australia, Singapore? They locked down, by your logic Covid should have run rampant and half the population should be throwing themselves of top of tall buildings.... and I dont think either of those happened.
Care to explain...

I agree a severe lockdown in these countries has for now had great effect. But we are simply not set up for that sort of communism, either practically ,morally or logistically. And neither should we ever be. We have gone to war many times for our fundamental freedoms

 

[dealer wins]

The bear nails it right on the head for you dealer

So you are literally saying that lockdowns dont work then lol Because many counties on that list are less densely populated than Sweden, but did far worse locking down than Sweden did by not.

 

[Kroffe]

The bear nails it right on the head for you dealer

I know a thing or two about Sweden.