Corona virus - Covid 19 discussion

[Playford7]

In new zealand their strict lockdowns meant only 25 died . In australia only 900 odd have died. Try telling them lockdowns do not work . Oh and because peoole actually do as they are asked, business as usual resumes soo much faster than here in the uk . Which means very few people lose jobs income or anything else.

Erm the geography for a start would mean what you said as a nonsense..

it’s like comparing sweden to the uk, it’s just silly.

 

[colinsunderland]

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I seem to recall predicting this would happen a few months ago.

 

[Playford7]

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I seem to recall predicting this would happen a few months ago.

I can see this coming with my company mate.

we are key workers so it’ll make sense they have to have the work force vaccinated, we obviously go to social housing, stay hotels, work in hospitals and prisons and schools etc..

im 110% against having it, I won’t make a discussion on it as it’s not worth my energy.

but should I be told have it or no work then I’ll take it, I’ve no option as the only parent whom provides.

if allowed a choice no chance, that’s the thing..

not being given a choice I find disturbing.

 

[colinsunderland]

I can see both sides, I certainly don't want people to be forced to have it, like the papers were suggesting BJ was going to do a few months ago, but can see it from the companies point of view too, firstly, and obviously from a financial view, they don't want staff constantly off for 2 weeks because they have a positive test. I also think people would feel safer letting workmen and the like in their houses if the company says 'all our staff have been vaccinated and tested covid free'

Despite what some people are saying, I do think it's legal to do so, not so much changing existing contracts, but can't see how they fall foul of any laws by not hiring anyone with that clause in the contract. Possibly discrimination laws, but think they would be swiftly beaten down by health and safety issues. Until it's tested in the high court/court of appeal) we won't know for sure. I am 100% confident stating it will be tested in court at some point if this becomes general practice.

 

[bamberfishcake]

Got to give credit where it due, the vaccination rollout in the UK is very impressive, probably the best in the world
bearing in mind the massive amount of organization required,we got something right at last.

I hope your right - I just dont see it.

I see millions wasted and 3 vaccines purchased with a real lack of confidence in their efficiency. Millions wasted on a track and trace and PPE that didnt work and badly enforced lockdowns which have put us in this desperate situation.

I just see failure at every turn even though i try to remain positive.

 

[mack341]

For me there's still too much of a sense of the left hand not knowing what the right hand is doing, something in the mail earlier about vaccines having to be disposed of because guidelines weren't followed.

Tens of thousands of doses of Oxford's Covid jab for house-bound Brits 'could get binned' amid confusion over rules on whether GPs can move vials between homes​

It is the daily mail so probably not a watertight story but wouldn't be surprising if it was another cock up.

 

[shadow123]

I hope your right - I just dont see it.

I see millions wasted and 3 vaccines purchased with a real lack of confidence in their efficiency. Millions wasted on a track and trace and PPE that didnt work and badly enforced lockdowns which have put us in this desperate situation.

I just see failure at every turn even though i try to remain positive.

I hope your right - I just dont see it.

I see millions wasted and 3 vaccines purchased with a real lack of confidence in their efficiency. Millions wasted on a track and trace and PPE that didnt work and badly enforced lockdowns which have put us in this desperate situation.

I just see failure at every turn even though i try to remain positive.

I did say we got something right, totally agree about everything else you mentioned, track and trace has been diabolical waste of money
from day one.

Cant fault them for going for 3 vaccines though, makes the rollout much faster and gave us 3 shots at getting a working one, every penny
provided by the government supporting their development was worth it in my view.

 

[The Dude]

Here you can begin to discuss the Corona Virus and how it is affecting you personally, economically, politically, whatever.

Please keep any aggressiveness down to zero and discuss - not attack one another. Use a bit of tact - instead of saying "your opinion is stupid..." Say "I do not understand the logic behind your view, here is why..." Etc.
I understand that many of you are not native English speakers, and when debating in English, it is more effective by not being direct and by all means avoid ad hominem responses; you will lose the debate. I understand that many of our central and northern European cousins are unaccustomed to this (Germans, Finns, Danes - the French), but when in doubt - don't say it. Or make a joke and add a smiley

In essence, pretend you are in my living room, and you are amongst friends. If you get out of hand, I'll be calling you an Uber.

 

[ternur]

Here you can begin to discuss the Corona Virus and how it is affecting you personally, economically, politically, whatever.

Please keep any aggressiveness down to zero and discuss - not attack one another. Use a bit of tact - instead of saying "your opinion is stupid..." Say "I do not understand the logic behind your view, here is why..." Etc.
I understand that many of you are not native English speakers, and when debating in English, it is more effective by not being direct and by all means avoid ad hominem responses; you will lose the debate. I understand that many of our central and northern European cousins are unaccustomed to this (Germans, Fins, Danes - the French), but when in doubt - don't say it. Or make a joke and add a smiley

In essence, pretend you are in my living room, and you are amongst friends. If you get out of hand, I'll be calling you an Uber.

So in other words, stay silent and finish your beer? No problem Bryan, that's how we Finns roll anyway

 

[dealer wins]

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I seem to recall predicting this would happen a few months ago.

This surely is a blatant breech of the discrimination act, and is morally and ethically wrong on every level. I cant believe governments are even thinking about "vaccine passports", have we really come to this, actual 1st and 2nd class citizens.

I hope that these will be quickly deemed illegal, if not I see a very dangerous future.

 

[colinsunderland]

This surely is a blatant breech of the discrimination act, and is morally and ethically wrong on every level. I cant believe governments are even thinking about "vaccine passports", have we really come to this, actual 1st and 2nd class citizens.

I hope that these will be quickly deemed illegal, if not I see a very dangerous future.

As I said, the health and safety at work act would also come into it. I very much doubt someone would not be able to defend this type of action in court. I hope it isn't deemed illegal. I don't like the government telling private companies what they can and cant do (with obvious exceptions).
As I said previously, I have no doubt at all some countries will implement this as a condition of being able to go on holiday there and suchlike.

 

[Slottery]

I think in many countries it would need some change to legislation to give employers the right to demand your medical history which vaccination history is part of. Would be cool of course be able to get all health details and not to hire anyone with possible future health issues, past addictions and other things what could possibly be seen as an economical risk for an employer like absences due to any reason are.but not sure if that would be really ok.

How many of these vaccinations btw currently have been proven prevent breach of virus? At some point many were just preventing serious illness caused by covid so in that case it wouldn't help much that taking it would secure others around you, in worse it could be opposite if asymptomatic carries would spread it more as they wouldn't be anyhow aware about their infection.

 

[paul7388]

I did say we got something right, totally agree about everything else you mentioned, track and trace has been diabolical waste of money
from day one.

Cant fault them for going for 3 vaccines though, makes the rollout much faster and gave us 3 shots at getting a working one, every penny
provided by the government supporting their development was worth it in my view.

You are missing one major point tho.

The vaccines are good. But the developers, WHO and most experts say that our government is basically playing with fire.

These vaccines are tested with the second booster 3 weeks later. Our country has decided to wait 12 weeks before 2nd jag when even the developers have said it is a risky strategy as it has never been tested like that.

Hope it all works out but seems stupid to even risk anything going wrong.

 

[pinnit2014]

You are missing one major point tho.

The vaccines are good. But the developers, WHO and most experts say that our government is basically playing with fire.

These vaccines are tested with the second booster 3 weeks later. Our country has decided to wait 12 weeks before 2nd jag when even the developers have said it is a risky strategy as it has never been tested like that.

Hope it all works out but seems stupid to even risk anything going wrong.

Have some faith in our Queen, Nicola.

 

[slotplayer]

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- Within the state guidance, patients who have a high risk of getting severe illness from COVID-19 infection will get their vaccine first.

- We expect to offer vaccines to the first groups of highest risk patients (patients 75 years of age or more and patients with two or more significant chronic illnesses) starting in February.

- Members of the public without medical conditions will likely be able to get the vaccine after April.

 

[The Dude]

I have merged the two threads - with my post above being a guideline on how to behave
https://www.casinomeister.com/forum...vid-19-discussion.93796/page-526#post-1182187

 

[Playford7]

Just a update.

as some of you may be aware I’m from Middlesbrough, James cook is my local hospital.

largest in europe.

not so long back I posted how it wasn’t busy, the icu wasn’t either.

this was fact, I know 2 nurses and a doctor working there.

but for honesty and balance as I don’t agree with posting utter BS, both the above doctor and nurses whom are my personal friends confirmed the past 5 days have been hell.

the icu packed, many folks in a bad way, granted and I’m only saying what they told me but it’s majority with past conditions, old or obese or bame..

none of a average age perfectly healthy.

this isn’t to say the hospital isn’t packed with corona patients, because it is now and I believe this as these are my mates, just like i believed them when they said it was empty.

as said I’m not here to post one side, I’ll post what I’ve seen and experienced personally that I know to be fact.

not one for links nor stats, we can all post them and pass them off as basically anything.

 

[colinsunderland]

Just a update.

as some of you may be aware I’m from Middlesbrough, James cook is my local hospital.

largest in europe.

not so long back I posted how it wasn’t busy, the icu wasn’t either.

this was fact, I know 2 nurses and a doctor working there.

but for honesty and balance as I don’t agree with posting utter BS, both the above doctor and nurses whom are my personal friends confirmed the past 5 days have been hell.

the icu packed, many folks in a bad way, granted and I’m only saying what they told me but it’s majority with past conditions, old or obese or bame..

none of a average age perfectly healthy.

this isn’t to say the hospital isn’t packed with corona patients, because it is now and I believe this as these are my mates, just like i believed them when they said it was empty.

as said I’m not here to post one side, I’ll post what I’ve seen and experienced personally that I know to be fact.

not one for links nor stats, we can all post them and pass them off as basically anything.

 

[Playford7]

Ah lol, well rest my case.

my Covid opinion aside, this isn’t good news for anyone.

 

[slotplayer]

Sorry to say by end of Feb. 100K gone in UK, 500K gone in US.

 

[Masquerade67]

This surely is a blatant breech of the discrimination act, and is morally and ethically wrong on every level. I cant believe governments are even thinking about "vaccine passports", have we really come to this, actual 1st and 2nd class citizens.

I hope that these will be quickly deemed illegal, if not I see a very dangerous future.

I am an employer in a business that has direct contact (when open) to a majorly elderly customer-base. As with the alcohol-gels, automated cash counters/cleaners and screens, it would be yet another assurance to customers that they are safer with us. It's not a bigoted choice as, unlike religion, sex, politics, race, it makes sound business sense to make the customer experience what they want by employing people that show that they care.

I really hope that Westminster don't do anything knee-jerk on this.

 

[bamberfishcake]

Another strain maybe on UK shores with Brazil apparently overwhelmed........

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[pinnit2014]

Walked round to get snack from Greggs, forgetting about the new 'rules' and heart sank seeing it was closed

I was fine surrendering certain liberties, but coming for my sausages rolls has crossed the line

 

[mcgameboy]

Walked round to get snack from Greggs, forgetting about the new 'rules' and heart sank seeing it was closed

I was fine surrendering certain liberties, but coming for my sausages rolls has crossed the line

Amen brother

 

[Kroffe]

Sausage love. ♥
Even Gordon can appreciate a good sausage.

 

[The Dude]

Now I am hungry.

 

[Kroffe]

Now I am hungry.

Sausage will do that to you!

 

[electronictonic]

This surely is a blatant breech of the discrimination act, and is morally and ethically wrong on every level. I cant believe governments are even thinking about "vaccine passports", have we really come to this, actual 1st and 2nd class citizens.

I hope that these will be quickly deemed illegal, if not I see a very dangerous future.

Peer reviewed paper released by Dr. Ari Joffe, a specialist in pediatric infectious diseases at the Stollery Children’s Hospital in Edmonton, Canada, has authored a peer-reviewed paper that substantiates popular claims that lockdowns have consequences.
He is also a Clinical Professor in the Department of Pediatrics at University of Alberta in Canada.

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Joffe said that emerging data on the subject of lockdowns – and their consequences – show a shocking set of so-called “collateral damage” issues caused by the lockdowns. He estimates that millions of people, globally, could easily be adversely affect by a continuation of the unnecessary practice, generally, for the public.
Among the issues Joffe cites in his study are:

• Food insecurity (82-132 million people)
• Severe poverty (70 million people)
• Maternal and under age-5 mortality from interrupted healthcare (1.7 million people)
• Infectious diseases deaths from interrupted services (millions of people with Tuberculosis, Malaria, and HIV)
• School closures for children (affecting children’s future earning potential and lifespan)
• Interrupted vaccination campaigns for millions of children
• Intimate partner violence for millions of women

He continues to list adverse effects as they pertain to high-income countries in delayed and interrupted healthcare, unemployment, loneliness, deteriorating mental health, increased opioid crisis deaths, alcoholism, suicide, and more.

• Standard approaches to evaluating epidemic policy responses, involving the Value of a Statistical Life, have conceptual problems and are biased towards the elderly and rich.
• Using a life-years criterion as an alternative shows that the lockdowns cost an order of magnitude more life-years than they saved.
• Most of the publicized cost-benefit analyses of COVID-19 lockdowns have used coarse measures like lives as units rather than life-years, which misleads politicians and the general public. COVID-19 deaths disproportionately impact the oldest members of the population, whereas the economic impacts of lockdowns disproportionately harm the youngest of the working population, who have far greater life expectancies at the time of impact.
• Using prior research on workforce entrants and recent graduates entering into a market marred by an economic recession, empirical estimates of life-years lost can be determined. Extensive research on job displacement can be used to estimate the economic impact in life-years of starkly increased unemployment for mid-to-late career workers.
• Combining these analyses, we found that an estimated 18.7 million life-years will be lost in the United States due to the COVID-19 lockdowns. Comparative data analysis between nations shows that the lockdowns in the United States likely had a minimal effect in saving life-years. Using two different comparison groups, we estimate that the COVID-19 lockdowns in the U.S. saved between a quarter to three quarters of a million life-years.
• Every broad age category lost life-years from the lockdowns including those 55 and older.
• The media and state and local governments contributed to the panic by selectively presenting evidence on COVID-19 and shutdowns of dubious benefit.
• Public health researchers and health economists gave poor policy advice and made selective use of the prior research literature. They will likely be rewarded, not punished, by academia for their failure because of academia’s biases.
• Public health in general is so biased and vulnerable to motivated cognition that it is not “not yet ready for policy analysis.”

Dr. Joffe is not some kook doctor or scientist. He was an early proponent of lockdowns, but like any good scientist, he has had an open mind as to their deleterious effects, as evidenced in an interview he gave to the Toronto Sun.

 

[bamberfishcake]

Peer reviewed paper released by Dr. Ari Joffe, a specialist in pediatric infectious diseases at the Stollery Children’s Hospital in Edmonton, Canada, has authored a peer-reviewed paper that substantiates popular claims that lockdowns have consequences.
He is also a Clinical Professor in the Department of Pediatrics at University of Alberta in Canada.

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• Standard approaches to evaluating epidemic policy responses, involving the Value of a Statistical Life, have conceptual problems and are biased towards the elderly and rich.
• Using a life-years criterion as an alternative shows that the lockdowns cost an order of magnitude more life-years than they saved.
• Most of the publicized cost-benefit analyses of COVID-19 lockdowns have used coarse measures like lives as units rather than life-years, which misleads politicians and the general public. COVID-19 deaths disproportionately impact the oldest members of the population, whereas the economic impacts of lockdowns disproportionately harm the youngest of the working population, who have far greater life expectancies at the time of impact.
• Using prior research on workforce entrants and recent graduates entering into a market marred by an economic recession, empirical estimates of life-years lost can be determined. Extensive research on job displacement can be used to estimate the economic impact in life-years of starkly increased unemployment for mid-to-late career workers.
• Combining these analyses, we found that an estimated 18.7 million life-years will be lost in the United States due to the COVID-19 lockdowns. Comparative data analysis between nations shows that the lockdowns in the United States likely had a minimal effect in saving life-years. Using two different comparison groups, we estimate that the COVID-19 lockdowns in the U.S. saved between a quarter to three quarters of a million life-years.
• Every broad age category lost life-years from the lockdowns including those 55 and older.
• The media and state and local governments contributed to the panic by selectively presenting evidence on COVID-19 and shutdowns of dubious benefit.
• Public health researchers and health economists gave poor policy advice and made selective use of the prior research literature. They will likely be rewarded, not punished, by academia for their failure because of academia’s biases.
• Public health in general is so biased and vulnerable to motivated cognition that it is not “not yet ready for policy analysis.”

Dr. Joffe is not some kook doctor or scientist. He was an early proponent of lockdowns, but like any good scientist, he has had an open mind as to their deleterious effects, as evidenced in an interview he gave to the Toronto Sun.

Interesting stuff.

Its clear the states and the UK could have done things differently but some countries seem to be proud of how well their lockdowns have worked. Was the lockdown too late? Was it not enforced well enough? These are all mitigating factors in such a report. The report itself mentions how unbelievable it was that some health professionals encouraged and allowed the BLM protests to happen considering the clear consequences.

Just playing devils advocate but the alternative meant putting the weak and vulnerable at greater risk relying on - 'it is likely that in most situations only 20-40% of the population would be infected before ongoing transmission is limited (i.e., herd-immunity).

A focused lockdown for the weak and elderly, however 'ageist' or 'discriminating' it may have seemed, might have been a better approach then.

But........what if they are/were wrong and this pandemic changed the 'normal' equation? What if they (US) had handled the lockdown differently?

I personally think more evidence to suggest lockdowns were a more humane and maybe more beneficial approach, if carried out correctly.

I wonder how other countries would fare in the same report.

 

[colinsunderland]

Dr. Joffe is not some kook doctor or scientist. He was an early proponent of lockdowns, but like any good scientist, he has had an open mind as to their deleterious effects, as evidenced in an interview he gave to the Toronto Sun.

Very basic maths tells you those numbers don't come close to the numbers you quoted from the UN (which you still haven't provided a source for)

 

[electronictonic]

Very basic maths tells you those numbers don't come close to the numbers you quoted from the UN (which you still haven't provided a source for)

Lol when I seen the notification that you had quoted my on this post I assumed you would ignore the article then compare it with the UN article, as usual ad hominem, surely you can criticise the Doctor that wrote it as well, true to form or how about saying it was on a site called Revolver and not one of the 3 letter alphabet presstitutes, ignore all the devastation lockdown causes because the numbers have to be higher and the devastation even worse?

 

[bamberfishcake]

Lol when I seen the notification that you had quoted my on this post I assumed you would ignore the article then compare it with the UN article, as usual ad hominem, surely you can criticise the Doctor that wrote it as well, true to form or how about saying it was on a site called Revolver and not one of the 3 letter alphabet presstitutes, ignore all the devastation lockdown causes because the numbers have to be higher and the devastation even worse?

Hey but what about the mitigating factors?

The report is speculation and based up to a point of 'limited herd immunity' What about the years lost following that point?

Nothing conclusive from what I can see apart from highlighting lockdown failures, not the failure of effective lockdowns. Its a report which points the finger at the US lockdown, not saying lockdowns dont work in general.

There's too many questions for this report to argue that the US should have just gone about their daily business whilst this went on. And not enough evidence to suggest lockdowns dont work.

Again, like is said and has always been maintained from the start it was, and is, to protect the elderly and weak. Im not sure how popular the alternative the good doctor is outlining would be.

 

[dealer wins]

Even with all these studies that clearly show lockdowns dont reduce deaths, and also add potentially many more direct deaths, and countless deaths over the medium and longer term, and yet what are most governments still doing, locking down.

Its insanity, crimes against humanity level of insanity!!!

Makes my heart weap what we are doing to millions and millions of people, totally unnecessarily.

And as for experimental mRNA vaccines, dont even start me off on the potential devastating risks to millions from that!

 

[cncas2123]

Hasn't New Zealand proved without doubt that a proper lockdown works? As far as I know they have had minimal deaths, zero cases at the moment and their citizens are experiencing some kind of normality, including getting to go and watch the All Blacks?

 

[colinsunderland]

Lol when I seen the notification that you had quoted my on this post I assumed you would ignore the article then compare it with the UN article, as usual ad hominem, surely you can criticise the Doctor that wrote it as well, true to form or how about saying it was on a site called Revolver and not one of the 3 letter alphabet presstitutes, ignore all the devastation lockdown causes because the numbers have to be higher and the devastation even worse?

And when I saw you had quoted me I knew for a fact you still wouldn't say where you got the UN figures from. I knew that because I know you lied about it.
If you lie about what the UN says to back up your claims that lockdowns have caused more deaths than not going into lockdown would have, why would I believe anything else you post, especially when it's something that is just based on what a small group of scientists think.
I didn't compare it with the UN article as there is no article, it doesn't exist, at least not that I could find, and your failure to post a link just confirms that.

 

[colinsunderland]

Even with all these studies that clearly show lockdowns dont reduce deaths, and also add potentially many more direct deaths, and countless deaths over the medium and longer term, and yet what are most governments still doing, locking down.

That will be because there is actual proof they work. You just make up almost everything you say, they are hardly likely to take notice of people who do that.

 

[sufferinsilence]

Lockdowns in the USA aren't even close to what it should be... Restaurants, bars, clubs, shopping malls,... everything is open. When you watch American sports alot of teams have, an albeit limited amount of, fans in the stands even in the indoor arenas. Tell me where in Europe we have these kinda "lockdowns"?

Don't say Sweden please.

 

[dunover]

Controversial I know - how many of you sense this is some kind of payback for the greediest, most savage species on the planet, the planet which we've plundered, stripped, polluted and grossly overpopulated?

Myxomatosis, swine flu and numerous other diseases have affected other species where we've corralled, bred and encouraged to suit us and our needs.

Nature has a was of culling the herd, always has and always will.

Yep, when this is over we'll have learned fuck-all as a species. In a few years when presumably it's been beaten by mass vaccination, let me guess:

The world population will still grow inexorably towards 10bn.
We will still fly from every international city to every city unrestricted.
We will still want every new consumer item.
We will breed even more animals to feed ourselves, and stuff the risks.
We will pack even more people into our densely-populated and crowded islands.

While the above is happening, we will pat ourselves on the back for using more electric cars and chucking more wind turbines in the offshore waters and fields.

 

[bamberfishcake]

Even with all these studies that clearly show lockdowns dont reduce deaths, and also add potentially many more direct deaths, and countless deaths over the medium and longer term, and yet what are most governments still doing, locking down.

Its insanity, crimes against humanity level of insanity!!!

Makes my heart weap what we are doing to millions and millions of people, totally unnecessarily.

And as for experimental mRNA vaccines, dont even start me off on the potential devastating risks to millions from that!

To put it bluntly, the herd immunity approach could be seen as a crime against humanity, your basically saying get everyone infected and only the strongest will survive.

Now dont get me started on if that is a good approach or not? I firmly believe humanity should have let nature take its course on many occasions but that's another story and possibly one of the reasons we are in this mess but its certainly not the most 'humane' approach in today's society.

 

[paul7388]

Controversial I know - how many of you sense this is some kind of payback for the greediest, most savage species on the planet, the planet which we've plundered, stripped, polluted and grossly overpopulated?

Myxomatosis, swine flu and numerous other diseases have affected other species where we've corralled, bred and encouraged to suit us and our needs.

Nature has a was of culling the herd, always has and always will.

Yep, when this is over we'll have learned fuck-all as a species. In a few years when presumably it's been beaten by mass vaccination, let me guess:

The world population will still grow inexorably towards 10bn.
We will still fly from every international city to every city unrestricted.
We will still want every new consumer item.
We will breed even more animals to feed ourselves, and stuff the risks.
We will pack even more people into our densely-populated and crowded islands.

While the above is happening, we will pat ourselves on the back for using more electric cars and chucking more wind turbines in the offshore waters and fields.

Not controversial at all.

I sometimes wonder if it is natures way of balancing things.

The world has always had wars that killed millions. Not anymore in the sense of mass deaths.

Always been viruses that would wipe out a lot of people. Not so much now till this one.

Way i look at it is life expectancy used to be low. Some point in the future it will probably reach 100.

Yeah i might sound a sick individual. But the world is vastly over populated and getting destroyed. Population grows every year.

Yes Cancer , Dementia etc. are all terrible diseases. And yes i know people that have died from them. But i think if we ever found a cure for every disease out the world would be a worse place.

The last thing this planet would need would be people to basically live till old age catches up with them.

 

[cncas2123]

A very long read on mRNA vaccines technology, its a few years old but it will show that this isnt something that has just come about overnight, its been around for a while and not just something they thought they would experiment with a few months ago.

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[bamberfishcake]

Not controversial at all.

I sometimes wonder if it is natures way of balancing things.

The world has always had wars that killed millions. Not anymore in the sense of mass deaths.

Always been viruses that would wipe out a lot of people. Not so much now till this one.

Way i look at it is life expectancy used to be low. Some point in the future it will probably reach 100.

Yeah i might sound a sick individual. But the world is vastly over populated and getting destroyed. Population grows every year.

Yes Cancer , Dementia etc. are all terrible diseases. And yes i know people that have died from them. But i think if we ever found a cure for every disease out the world would be a worse place.

The last thing this planet would need would be people to basically live till old age catches up with them.

Agree for the most part but a small part of me wonders if Utopia is actually a possibility and we could all live a good, clean standard of living with an enjoyable quality of life on a worldwide basis were it not for greed etc etc.

There is a lot of unused land and a lot already used that could be put to better use. A lot of crap we dont need and a lot of work that people will jump over others to get. Its definitely a rat race for the most.

Nature does have a way of culling species which in turn, 9 times out of 10, makes the species stronger. The problem is the path we are taking or being guided down is not one that will benefit all worldwide and it diverts from the natural progression too far for my liking.

I mean what do we really need for a good life? A few chickens, good music, love and nights with our friends for some.

 

[mack341]

The big pharma/govts keep ignoring ivermectin, bear in mind there is no money or the 'new normal' control in using ivermectin; this dr's bio states:

Tess (MBBCh, DFSRH, PhD), as director of E-BMC Ltd, is committed to improving the quality of healthcare through rigorous research. Her range of research expertise, based on research experience in both developing and developed countries, uniquely positions her to evaluate and design research for a variety of healthcare settings. Tess is a frequent member of technical teams responsible for developing international guidelines. Her peer-reviewed publications have received in excess of 3000 citations and her ResearchGate score is among the top 5% of ResearchGate members.




Another researcher/doctor Pierre Kory and others have also written a review on the evidence:




With all these people dying, over a thousand a day according to the govt's stats, ICU wards full etc..., you'd think the nhs/govt would be willing to try some off-label medicines...

 

[colinsunderland]

The big pharma/govts keep ignoring ivermectin, bear in mind there is no money or the 'new normal' control in using ivermectin; this dr's bio states:

With all these people dying, over a thousand a day according to the govt's stats, ICU wards full etc..., you'd think the nhs/govt would be willing to try some off-label medicines...

Not really. Most of what you see is based on unproven claims at the start of all this. It's untested and theres a massive divide of opinion on if it works or not. We now have a variety of approved vaccinations round the world, with 3 in the UK, and looking like that will be 4 in the next week or two.
You've seen the backlash against the vaccination from some people, can you imagine the Daily Mail headlines, and dealer's posts in here , if the government decided to start using an untested solution for it that is used for treating headlice

 

[bamberfishcake]

I think someone should test the hell out of it if there's a chance it could work.

Did the report not mention serious testing in Mexico with good results amongst others?........Just from memory as i dont have the time to go back through it just yet.

What about our 3 vaccines? Have they been fully tested and endorsed like they should have? (Its a serious question, not a challenge as i just dont know).

 

[Playford7]

Lad I worked with all week has tested positive for corona, I gotta self isolate 10 days and go for a test at half 1 ffs

 

[slotplayer]

Sausage will do that to you!

Have you tried the Hannibal Lecter Sausages?
I hear they're great.

Sorry, a little dark humor.

 

[colinsunderland]

I think someone should test the hell out of it if there's a chance it could work.

Did the report not mention serious testing in Mexico with good results amongst others?........Just from memory as i dont have the time to go back through it just yet.

What about our 3 vaccines? Have they been fully tested and endorsed like they should have? (Its a serious question, not a challenge as i just dont know).

Thats up to the companies who make it, what I would say is, if they thought it had a chance of working, I think they would have done so, as they would have made a fortune if it does.
All our vaccines are fully tested like anything else you would take.

Lad I worked with all week has tested positive for corona, I gotta self isolate 10 days and go for a test at half 1 ffs

Fingers crossed it's negative mate

 

[Kroffe]

Have you tried the Hannibal Lecter Sausages?
I hear they're great.

Sorry, a little dark humor.

No, i have so far managed to avoid the sausages from Hannibal & Game of thrones.
Maybe if i get hungry enough.

 

[slotplayer]

Who needs a vaccine anyway?