Corona virus - Covid 19 discussion

[Borgie]

With all due respect my daughter lives within a stones throw of the A and E at James cook in Middlesbrough.

the scenes posted above are common place, where before this nonsense, long before it.

you can view it from Marton road, Middlesbrough as you drive past either way, our hospital is like that 24/7, 365 days of the year.

So you are saying what this doctor wrote is a lie ?

 

[Playford7]

So you are saying what this doctor wrote is a lie ?

I wasn’t aware I’ve mentioned anywhere throughout these threads that I’ve called anyone a liar, especially not a professional on the front line, you know... just like my friends are.

im just posting a reply in response to what you posted, not so much to argue or upset you (as this clearly has) but only to post what I’ve found at my local hospital, and based not just by my thoughts but those of a doctor and nurses over the months.

not to mention personal observation as I pass the place 3/4 times weekly when home from work to collect my little girl.

so to quote you... ‘ no I wasn’t actually saying anything’ nor was I calling anyone a liar.

pretty aggressive tone not to mention insinuation where there wasn’t any borgie...

 

[snorky510238]

Thanks Ben, hope you did too. I can always look at both sides of the coin and listen if the the point being put forward is valid and has some content worth considering.

Not one for posting stats and the likes that are there for people to view if they wish anyway. Rather post my own personal views and consider other angles which keeps it fresh.

To be honest, nobody would want to be the one making the decisions as you can’t and won’t please all the people all of the time. If there was a simple answer, the majority between them would have come up with it by now but nobody has.

 

[sufferinsilence]

Belgium is doing pretty much opposite and add to mortality numbers people who haven't been tested positive but been in touch with covid positives where they thought probably all were affected (in care homes especially where Belgium have loads of people compare to many other countries, think 3rd most in Europe).


This is just one quite unique way of reporting, which like i said is no more wrong or right but just making it not comparable to other countries who only report confirmed covid cases. Not sure how in every single country or state are reporting them but AFAIK, Belgium is only one who admit been reporting thousands of non confirmed covid mortalities. Only wondered about Belgiums unique approach in reporting these, just for common sense thinking could be more beneficial for Europe if all would "speak same language" (if some stats geeks can find anything useful from these numbers)

edit: About excess mortality, it's also not really accurate number everywhere, ie. in Finland where are very few covid deaths and cases, mortality is higher than previous years and will should be higher every coming years from now on for while due to populations age.

Yeah I'm aware we add non-confirmed deaths in care homes who have presented with Covid symptoms to the stats. I just don't know why exactly that's done, and I agree it's unique. But on the flipside there have been numerous countries who added hundreds, if not thousands, of deaths to the stats afterwards and are still behind on the excess mortality number for this year.

I also agree it's never going to be 100% accurate to just look at averages but it's apparently the best we can do. Proper numbers will probably never be available, it'll mostly be estimates even in 25 years time.

 

[colinsunderland]

Because ours isn’t... I’ve mentioned a ICU doctor I know personally...

2 nurses, all work at ours.

it is not and never has been packed to the rafters, as said this is only my local, but it’s the biggest in Europe.

also my mate went to A and E the other evening, was dead.. yes I expect that when people have been shamed into attending, but totally empty was a bit of a stretch..

its his ex missus who’s the doctor at that hospital btw.

Yes, but one hospital isn't every hospital. South Tyneside hospital is quite empty. Sunderland was running at 96% capacity on Christmas Eve, as hospitals in other areas were referring all Covid patients to Sunderland to keep them all localised rather than spread all over the region. The Teeside hospitals may be doing the same, I honestly don't know.
We also don't have a massive problem up here at the moment, so I wouldn't expect to see 13 hour waits to get a bed etc at the moment.

I don't understand though, you quoted a post saying they were over stretched, having to cancel routine ops, really busy, in one post you say James Cook is dead, yet in that one you said you see that every day there? If thats a normal day then surely they are busy

Edit: Unless you just mean the photo?

 

[Playford7]

Yes, but one hospital isn't every hospital. South Tyneside hospital is quite empty. Sunderland was running at 96% capacity on Christmas Eve, as hospitals in other areas were referring all Covid patients to Sunderland to keep them all localised rather than spread all over the region. The Teeside hospitals may be doing the same, I honestly don't know.
We also don't have a massive problem up here at the moment, so I wouldn't expect to see 13 hour waits to get a bed etc at the moment.

I don't understand though, you quoted a post saying they were over stretched, having to cancel routine ops, really busy, in one post you say James Cook is dead, yet in that one you said you see that every day there? If thats a normal day then surely they are busy

Edit: Unless you just mean the photo?

Sorry col.

routine ops are 110% been put back and cancelled, 2 of mine for my bicep have been already.

I’ve been offered ‘zoom’ kind physio, but also a private consultant said that would make the injury worse and best to hold out for a op, I’ve not the money I had a few years back or I’d go private mate.

just to clarify,
my local where only overstretched due to the fact of the ‘possibility’ of a mass influx of Chinese flu patients, many beds on critical wards and ICU where literally left empty ‘just in case’

these beds needs nurses, staff and doctors..
one of which my mates ex was and is, she was put on rotations, so rather than working her normal shift mate she was sat at home on standby awaiting this mass drive of patients that’s never once arrived..

thus leaving a lull in the amount of staffing levels sufficient for other procedures and ops...

not my words, this is a anaesthetist.
She’s clearly a hella smart lady and massively above my pay grade col.

Again this isn’t Ben vs corona, it’s just what I’ve been told and seen.

it’s no good morning Britain MSM post, no clearly set up ambulance chaser post from someone just wanting to stoke fear with zero experience..

I could debunk that nonsense in minutes.

it’s just my personal genuine opinions told by professionals col, again I could debate you all day mate as your decent, no silly personal attacks as my findings don’t suit certain narratives.

hope your all set up for a tier 4 new year, I’ll not be sticking to it one iota.

already have 4 separate parties to attend.

 

[colinsunderland]

Sorry col.

routine ops are 110% been put back and cancelled, 2 of mine for my bicep have been already.

I’ve been offered ‘zoom’ kind physio, but also a private consultant said that would make the injury worse and best to hold out for a op, I’ve not the money I had a few years back or I’d go private mate.

just to clarify,
my local where only overstretched due to the fact of the ‘possibility’ of a mass influx of Chinese flu patients, many beds on critical wards and ICU where literally left empty ‘just in case’

these beds needs nurses, staff and doctors..
one of which my mates ex was and is, she was put on rotations, so rather than working her normal shift mate she was sat at home on standby awaiting this mass drive of patients that’s never once arrived..

thus leaving a lull in the amount of staffing levels sufficient for other procedures and ops...

not my words, this is a anaesthetist.
She’s clearly a hella smart lady and massively above my pay grade col.

Again this isn’t Ben vs corona, it’s just what I’ve been told and seen.

it’s no good morning Britain MSM post, no clearly set up ambulance chaser post from someone just wanting to stoke fear with zero experience..

I could debunk that nonsense in minutes.

it’s just my personal genuine opinions told by professionals col, again I could debate you all day mate as your decent, no silly personal attacks as my findings don’t suit certain narratives.

hope your all set up for a tier 4 new year, I’ll not be sticking to it one iota.

already have 4 separate parties to attend.

But thats only one hospital. I know for a fact Sunderland's ICU is almost completely full, thats from seeing ST hospital trust data.
Routine ops and appointments are still going ahead, I know that for a fact as I've driven two people there in the week before Christmas and know 3 others who have been. My daughter had a 6 month check up for something not life threatening on Christmas Eve. Thats in Sunderland Royal. I know the same can't be said for every hospital in the country, but you seem to be saying because your local one is doing xxx then every hospital in the country is the same. It was only just before Christmas North Tees were saying they were getting close to capacity and they were going to have to start cancelling routine ops and appointments, so they were obviously still doing them.
What I will say though is, every time I've been it's looked empty. Easy to park, straight in and out. But they are strict on appointment times, no one is allowed in with you and no visiting. Thats why it looks empty, not that there are no patients.
So you think the hundreds of posts by nurses, doctors and surgeons are all lies when they are saying they have no beds left? The photos of ambulances queuing up outside hospitals are set up?
My New Year will be the same as it has been the last few years, quiet with El too old for partying now, plus, never particularly liked going out NYE when I was younger, enjoyed Christmas much more

 

[Playford7]

But thats only one hospital. I know for a fact Sunderland's ICU is almost completely full, thats from seeing ST hospital trust data.
Routine ops and appointments are still going ahead, I know that for a fact as I've driven two people there in the week before Christmas and know 3 others who have been. My daughter had a 6 month check up for something not life threatening on Christmas Eve. Thats in Sunderland Royal. I know the same can't be said for every hospital in the country, but you seem to be saying because your local one is doing xxx then every hospital in the country is the same. It was only just before Christmas North Tees were saying they were getting close to capacity and they were going to have to start cancelling routine ops and appointments, so they were obviously still doing them.
What I will say though is, every time I've been it's looked empty. Easy to park, straight in and out. But they are strict on appointment times, no one is allowed in with you and no visiting. Thats why it looks empty, not that there are no patients.
So you think the hundreds of posts by nurses, doctors and surgeons are all lies when they are saying they have no beds left? The photos of ambulances queuing up outside hospitals are set up?
My New Year will be the same as it has been the last few years, quiet with El too old for partying now, plus, never particularly liked going out NYE when I was younger, enjoyed Christmas much more

Not at all, I based what I said from a doctor whom works there who is a very close mate and also nurses..

these don’t ‘tik-tok’ btw, these are real healthcare professionals.

but as I say it’s only my local hospital, a mere drop in the ocean.

as I walked sox earlier the dead where even higher than usually mounted up, the main road was full of ambulances and funeral processions....

but as said, this is only Europe’s biggest hospital mate...

I’m sure @ChopleyIOM can link susanna the boobs Reid and piers Morgan again for some hard hitting facts and journalism again hahaha!...

best wishes as always col, Ben

 

[Playford7]

Yeah I'm aware we add non-confirmed deaths in care homes who have presented with Covid symptoms to the stats. I just don't know why exactly that's done, and I agree it's unique. But on the flipside there have been numerous countries who added hundreds, if not thousands, of deaths to the stats afterwards and are still behind on the excess mortality number for this year.

I also agree it's never going to be 100% accurate to just look at averages but it's apparently the best we can do. Proper numbers will probably never be available, it'll mostly be estimates even in 25 years time.

As discussed.. Belgium is not really classed as a country mate, can’t be taken all too seriously by anyone.

Just the way it is I guess.

 

[sufferinsilence]

As discussed.. Belgium is not really classed as a country mate, can’t be taken all too seriously by anyone.

Just the way it is I guess.

 

[geordiecolin]

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[sufferinsilence]

Stop shitting yourselves every hour of every day and look at the facts.

I have bought enough toilet paper in March to shit myself hourly for another 10 years I'll have you know.

 

[geordiecolin]

I have bought enough toilet paper in March to shit myself hourly for another 10 years I'll have you know.

I have disagreed with so much with what has been posted in here in recent times.
Bravo. Let it continue without interuption

 

[sufferinsilence]

I have disagreed with so much with what has been posted in here in recent times.
Bravo. Let it continue without interuption

Me too Geordie, me too... Guess we can't all be the same, it would get boring fast.

 

[geordiecolin]

Me too Geordie, me too... Guess we can't all be the same, it would get boring fast.

Thanks.
I think that this "pandemic" is over or there abouts

 

[sufferinsilence]

Thanks.
I think that this "pandemic" is over or there abouts

Sadly I disagree. Hopefully it's on its way out tho May 2021 be better than 2020!

 

[geordiecolin]

Sadly I disagree. Hopefully it's on its way out tho May 2021 be better than 2020!

I would suggest that the numbers of those who have not been given access to med care during those lost months should be included in future numbers. It will not happen.

 

[Playford7]

Don’t worry about this nonsense folks! I’ve a new corona cooking to keep us safe again, fear not!,.

the Chinese virus won’t affect us fine non communist folks here at CM!..

give me a hour and I’ll give you the world!.. well food wise, even @Borgie would like this..

 

[Playford7]

Chicken Kiev, peas and potatoes.. mega simple but beyond affective..

touch of g bread for the feels.

side plate of slaw and hot wings, most simple of a dish..

to drink my daughters ribena..

gooooood eating folks!...

 

[dealer wins]

Whether hospitals are overrun or empty, lockdowns pay no part in it. Whether we lockdown or not, it wont make any difference to death rates, if anything makes them worse.

All lockdowns are doing is putting the NHS at risk of being unaffordable next year, and also costing jobs, livelihoods, mental health, 10,000s of other deaths, poverty, lack of kids education, increasing child abuse and possibly bankrupting us.

Its winter, 2000 people die every day, 1200 of them very old 80+ from respiratory failure, whether its covid, flu, pneumonia etc

 

[geordiecolin]

Sadly I disagree. Hopefully it's on its way out tho May 2021 be better than 2020!

I really think it is. Figures may disagree

 

[dealer wins]

Plus the NHS has 1.3 million employees.

If they cant look after 120,000 or even 200,000 people, including staffing the nightingales, then we may as well disband the fucking thing seriously.

 

[mina1929]

I cannot believe that 1 kilo of Pink Lady Apples are over $7

Also people a hoarding toilet paper again and Melbourne has shut the borders to NSW because here we go again Covid on the rise again in NSW Australia

 

[pinnit2014]

I cannot believe that 1 kilo of Pink Lady Apples are over $7

Also people a hoarding toilet paper again and Melbourne has shut the borders to NSW because here we go again Covid on the rise again in NSW Australia

That's why...apples are high in fibre so the natural solution to solving the toilet paper crisis is to jack up the cost of high fibre foods?

If you see digestive biscuits and fruit pastilles going for 2 cents instead, that's your answer

 

[ChopleyIOM]

As colinsunderland noted above, doctors and nurses aren't generally known to be in the business of telling lies about stuff like this.

Worth a read:

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[colinsunderland]

Plus the NHS has 1.3 million employees.

If they cant look after 120,000 or even 200,000 people, including staffing the nightingales, then we may as well disband the fucking thing seriously.

So you would want someone in IT doing your heart operation, or a cleaner providing care in the ICU?
Obviously they just have one hospital countrywide where 1.3 million people work?
Ben's told us how empty the James Cook is at the moment, so they will have spare staff at the moment, but what use is that to a hospital in London who is busy?

 

[colinsunderland]

I would suggest that the numbers of those who have not been given access to med care during those lost months should be included in future numbers. It will not happen.

Cancelled appointments and operation figures are always released at some point, so would imagine they will be available sometime in the future. What it won't tell us is how many people haven't had care as they haven't gone to the GP as they usually would.

I was at my GP's for blood tests a couple of weeks ago and wasn't particularly impressed. I didn't have to go through telephone triage as it was routine, but my appointment was 10.30. I was told not to be late or I wouldn't be seen.

So got there 10.29 (had the car so just waited till the right time). Pressed the buzzer, got told to wait a minute, after about 5 minutes one of the admin staff came out, took my temp then told me the nurse would come back out to take me through. 10.55 she came wandering out. So I had stood there freezing, in the rain, for 25 minutes. Not one person had left while I was there, so she wasn't with another patient or anything. They have removed all chairs from the waiting area, so no one was inside. There was no reason I couldn't have waited inside. I'm not one who goes to the GP very often, when I went about 10 years ago for something he commented that he hadn't seen me for over 15 years, so it does tend to be when theres something seriously wrong, but that would put me off going for anything else. I certainly wouldn't be happy if I was old or disabled, being left to stand in the car park for 25 minutes in the rain.

 

[pinnit2014]

The standard of GP services has been declining for years, Christ knows what it's going to be like moving forward. Get you in, ship you out. My general confidence in them has plummeted (given how inept they were re a personal issue) - often wonder if, like other countries, you'll be increasingly able to bypass them for things like referrals (i know they do for things like Physio now).

As for seeing them during Covid - i buzzed in a few months ago (as meant to do), took ours 5 mins to answer me, said they'd come back in a second....10 minutes later...nothing...the door was not locked so i went to go in as they weren't answering the com and the receptionist (with a complex) sprung into attack mode to chase me out 'you don't come in unless we approve you' - well how about you answer the door then? Managed to make a simple process a cluster fuck as me and others all congregated outside .

 

[Downsman]

My step daughter has tested positive..serious for her with bad asthma.

 

[slotplayer]

My city is where I drew the blue line. I rather be a little OCD about it and perhaps look foolish when its over than be laid up venting at how foolish I was not to take it seriously enough.

 

[geordiecolin]

Cancelled appointments and operation figures are always released at some point, so would imagine they will be available sometime in the future. What it won't tell us is how many people haven't had care as they haven't gone to the GP as they usually would.

I was at my GP's for blood tests a couple of weeks ago and wasn't particularly impressed. I didn't have to go through telephone triage as it was routine, but my appointment was 10.30. I was told not to be late or I wouldn't be seen.

So got there 10.29 (had the car so just waited till the right time). Pressed the buzzer, got told to wait a minute, after about 5 minutes one of the admin staff came out, took my temp then told me the nurse would come back out to take me through. 10.55 she came wandering out. So I had stood there freezing, in the rain, for 25 minutes. Not one person had left while I was there, so she wasn't with another patient or anything. They have removed all chairs from the waiting area, so no one was inside. There was no reason I couldn't have waited inside. I'm not one who goes to the GP very often, when I went about 10 years ago for something he commented that he hadn't seen me for over 15 years, so it does tend to be when theres something seriously wrong, but that would put me off going for anything else. I certainly wouldn't be happy if I was old or disabled, being left to stand in the car park for 25 minutes in the rain.

I can only assume that all GP surgery's are different? Mine have chairs and we are able to wait inside?
Here is a thought that will go against the grain. I think that the UK is approaching herd immunity and we do not really need the vaccination.

 

[dionysus]

My step daughter has tested positive..serious for her with bad asthma.

Best wishes for her

 

[pinnit2014]

I can only assume that all GP surgery's are different? Mine have chairs and we are able to wait inside?
Here is a thought that will go against the grain. I think that the UK is approaching herd immunity and we do not really need the vaccination.

If it was as cold today as when i was there there would have been folk huddling together to keep warm

Minor derail but the practices in general across GP surgeries vary depending on the health board they fall under: you see it up round here with certain areas having x3 the average prescription charges than their neighbouring surgeries (under a different board) etc.

 

[colinsunderland]

I can only assume that all GP surgery's are different? Mine have chairs and we are able to wait inside?
Here is a thought that will go against the grain. I think that the UK is approaching herd immunity and we do not really need the vaccination.

Quite possibly, I thought it very strange that every bit of indoor furniture had been removed from the waiting area, I've seen people who struggle to walk coming out of the surgeries and having to sit for a few mins on the chairs to get their breath back, so to remove them all seems over the top. Even if they just put a few plastic ones in that could be easily disinfected it would be better than nothing at all.

I don't think we are close to herd immunity, theres only been 2.5 million confirmed cases, the population is 66 million. It's pretty impossible to calculate how many people would need the antibodies to achieve herd immunity as the infection rate changes regularly, and does depend on behaviour, but most scientists estimate it would have to be over 70%, with some saying 90%+

Even if you take into account that theres probably a lot of people who haven't been tested, and have had it, we wouldn't be close to that. If you said only 10% of people who had had it had been for a test and tested positive (which is a very low estimate) that would still only be 25 million, way short of the 47 million that the low end of the estimates would require.

 

[geordiecolin]

My step daughter has tested positive..serious for her with bad asthma.

One of my daughters tested positive for covid a few months ago and she suffers from very bad asthma. She did fine mate

 

[geordiecolin]

If it was as cold today as when i was there there would have been folk huddling together to keep warm

Minor derail but the practices in general across GP surgeries vary depending on the health board they fall under: you see it up round here with certain areas having x3 the average prescription charges than their neighbouring surgeries (under a different board) etc.

I had a colonoscopy about 4 weeks ago and when the doc started I suggested to him that we could of at least went for a meal first

 

[geordiecolin]

Quite possibly, I thought it very strange that every bit of indoor furniture had been removed from the waiting area, I've seen people who struggle to walk coming out of the surgeries and having to sit for a few mins on the chairs to get their breath back, so to remove them all seems over the top. Even if they just put a few plastic ones in that could be easily disinfected it would be better than nothing at all.

I don't think we are close to herd immunity, theres only been 2.5 million confirmed cases, the population is 66 million. It's pretty impossible to calculate how many people would need the antibodies to achieve herd immunity as the infection rate changes regularly, and does depend on behaviour, but most scientists estimate it would have to be over 70%, with some saying 90%+

Even if you take into account that theres probably a lot of people who haven't been tested, and have had it, we wouldn't be close to that. If you said only 10% of people who had had it had been for a test and tested positive (which is a very low estimate) that would still only be 25 million, way short of the 47 million that the low end of the estimates would require.

Viruses are not known to come in waves. They hit,mutate to be more catchy but less lethal then die off in their own time leaving the populous immune.
I bet that it will be proven in time to be the usual winter hit on the health service plus the fallout from those not treated for other serious illnesses
There is reason to be optimistic IMHO

 

[colinsunderland]

Viruses are not known to come in waves. They hit,mutate to be more catchy but less lethal then die off in their own time leaving the populous immune.
I bet that it will be proven in time to be the usual winter hit on the health service plus the fallout from those not treated for other serious illnesses
There is reason to be optimistic IMHO

I agree, the lockdowns cause the waves, lockdown, cases go down, lift restrictions they go back up. However, there has never been herd immunity achieved anywhere in the world without a vaccine as far as I'm aware (excluding the Spanish flu, but obviously we don't want 100 million people dying).

 

[colinsunderland]

Just going to post this to save dealer doing it later

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What she doesn't mention (cos she's a fucking nut job, look at her twitter account, believes Russia and China control when it snows as one good example) is that it was filmed in an outpatients department, late afternoon on a bank holiday, when it was closed. Like most outpatient departments are at that time.

 

[electronictonic]

Viruses are not known to come in waves. They hit,mutate to be more catchy but less lethal then die off in their own time leaving the populous immune.
I bet that it will be proven in time to be the usual winter hit on the health service plus the fallout from those not treated for other serious illnesses
There is reason to be optimistic IMHO

I think this called politicising health to fit the narrative.

Whores of Health Oppression quietly changed definition of 'herd immunity' to remove reference to natural herd immunity and only reference it to vaccines.

1, 2 Dr Reiner Fuellmich is coming for you.

 

[geordiecolin]

I agree, the lockdowns cause the waves, lockdown, cases go down, lift restrictions they go back up. However, there has never been herd immunity achieved anywhere in the world without a vaccine as far as I'm aware (excluding the Spanish flu, but obviously we don't want 100 million people dying).

The Spanish flu can not really be used as a comparison (not that it originated in Spain,but America)
Check out India for their closeness to herd immunity and while your at it check out how they have approached treating their citizens when they showed signs of having covid and those who they had been in contact with. No masks and no social distancing.
Yes. Hydroxychloroquine. You can not find a Country that has people more closely condensed together.

 

[geordiecolin]

I think this called politicing health to fit the narrative.

W)hores of)(Health)Oppression) quietly changed definition of 'herd immunity' to remove reference to natural herd immunity and only reference it to vaccines.

1, 2 Dr Reiner Fuellmich is coming for you.

I am mostly posting my thoughts because it appears to me that many people scare themselves senseless about the virus. Media,TV and our governments are to blame IMO.
Eat healthy,take care of your immunity best you can and keep to the measures that you are advised to.
When did the government advise us to build up of immune system? Their measures are anti immune system which just adds to our health issues and which is probably adding to the strain on the health services now

 

[electronictonic]

The Spanish flu can not really be used as a comparison (not that it originated in Spain,but America)
Check out India for their closeness to herd immunity and while your at it check out how they have approached treating their citizens when they showed signs of having covid and those who they had been in contact with.
Yes. Hydroxychloroquine.

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[geordiecolin]

Just going to post this to save dealer doing it later

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heres the video



What she doesn't mention (cos she's a fucking nut job, look at her twitter account, believes Russia and China control when it snows as one good example) is that it was filmed in an outpatients department, late afternoon on a bank holiday, when it was closed. Like most outpatient departments are at that time.

I think that folk have been very harsh on Dealer.
I have read many posts in this thread recently that I do not agree with. Bravo,keep it up folks

 

[colinsunderland]

The Spanish flu can not really be used as a comparison (not that it originated in Spain,but America)
Check out India for their closeness to herd immunity and while your at it check out how they have approached treating their citizens when they showed signs of having covid and those who they had been in contact with.
Yes. Hydroxychloroquine.

A very quick google shows this to be the most up to date study on it

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Says Feb 2023 for immunity, thats including using current social distancing measures and a vaccine. It also states 'The forecasts suggest that the US and Canada are expected to hit herd immunity by the second quarter of 2021, Japan in April 2022 and India in 2023.'
What am I missing? India seems to be doing worse than other countries?

I think that folk have been very harsh on Dealer.

Maybe if he didn't post lies then refuse to discuss them at all then I wouldn't call him a troll. You know, like I discuss things with you and Ben who have the opposite view to me, but I have never once though either of you were trolling. But then you don't post videos claiming them to be BLM protests when in fact they were a house party, saying the NHS have 1.3 million staff and should be able to care for patients, ignoring the fact more than half of those are non clinical roles, and whats left include GP's, midwives, CPN's, etc, that have absolutely no training in dealing with ICU patients, and similar stuff to that.

 

[geordiecolin]

A very quick google shows this to be the most up to date study on it

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Says Feb 2023 for immunity, thats including using current social distancing measures and a vaccine. It also states 'The forecasts suggest that the US and Canada are expected to hit herd immunity by the second quarter of 2021, Japan in April 2022 and India in 2023.'
What am I missing? India seems to be doing worse than other countries?


Maybe if he didn't post lies then refuse to discuss them at all then I wouldn't call him a troll. You know, like I discuss things with you and Ben who have the opposite view to me, but I have never once though either of you were trolling. But then you don't post videos claiming them to be BLM protests when in fact they were a house party, saying the NHS have 1.3 million staff and should be able to care for patients, ignoring the fact more than half of those are non clinical roles, and whats left include GP's, midwives, CPN's, etc, that have absolutely no training in dealing with ICU patients, and similar stuff to that.

It also states that America and Canada should hit herd immunity in 4 or so months time but as far as I understand many parts of Canada are only just getting bitten by it?
There is a lot of conflicting information out there and it can be tailored to fit any narrative. India made some awful calls to begin with like most countries did. Their death rate is comparable to most barring the north pole.
I understand that some folk are not willing to engage in finer detail in this forum because the climate is quite hostile to apposing opinions
I could go into great detail if I wished to but it can be quite time consuming. More so if you do not stick to the narrative of google,twitter and other online media. Things are not so easy to access.
Surely even those who are fully subscribed to the MSM can understand that?

 

[dionysus]

It also states that America should hit herd immunity in 4 or so months time but as far as I understand many parts of Canada are only just getting bitten by it?
There is a lot of conflicting information out there and it can be tailored to fit any narrative. India made some awful calls to begin with like most countries did. Their death rate is comparable to most barring the north pole.
I understand that some folk are not willing to engage in finer detail in this forum because the climate is quite hostile to apposing opinions

We're pretty spread out. Cities hardest and just hitting rural

 

[geordiecolin]

We're pretty spread out. Cities hardest and just hitting rural

Yes mate. So the article that Col linked to India not hitting herd immunity until 2023 and Canada hitting it in 4-6 months time makes no sense.
I hope that you and yours stay safe and those you know that have it get well soon.

 

[colinsunderland]

It also states that America and Canada should hit herd immunity in 4 or so months time but as far as I understand many parts of Canada are only just getting bitten by it?
There is a lot of conflicting information out there and it can be tailored to fit any narrative. India made some awful calls to begin with like most countries did. Their death rate is comparable to most barring the north pole.
I understand that some folk are not willing to engage in finer detail in this forum because the climate is quite hostile to apposing opinions
I could go into great detail if I wished to but it can be quite time consuming. More so if you do not stick to the narrative of google,twitter and other online media. Things are not so easy to access.
Surely even those who are fully subscribed to the MSM can understand that?

I know, I don't understand your point about India though? I thought you were meaning they were close to hitting herd immunity without the vaccine, but that article says not.

Theres not engaging in finer detail, and theres not engaging at all. It's a discussion forum, if you post something then surely you are doing to do it to be discussed. Dealer posts almost every night, something that he read on social media, usually incorrect, to provoke a negative response, then never discusses it at all. That is literally the definition of trolling.

 

[geordiecolin]

I know, I don't understand your point about India though? I thought you were meaning they were close to hitting herd immunity without the vaccine, but that article says not.

Theres not engaging in finer detail, and theres not engaging at all. It's a discussion forum, if you post something then surely you are doing to do it to be discussed. Dealer posts almost every night, something that he read on social media, usually incorrect, to provoke a negative response, then never discusses it at all. That is literally the definition of trolling.

Let me find something on the India situation that is compelling.