Corona virus - Covid 19 discussion

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Southend Hospital bosses have tonight asked doctors and nurses on annual leave to return to work, due to an “increasingly difficult situation” that the hospital is facing.
In an internal memo sent to staff, Chief Nursing Officer Diane Sarkar and Chief Medical Officer David Walker asked staff if they would consider giving up their booked annual leave and return to work due to the increasing demand on hospital services.
The memo continues: “We know that your leave is important, and this is not a request we are making lightly, but if you are able to come into work to support your colleagues and care for the patients who need us we would be extremely grateful.”
The request comes as NHS England confirmed today that there are now more Covid patients in hospitals in England than at the previous peak in April.
With multiple ambulances seen queuing up in the car park to pass over patients, nurses at Southend Hospital are urging the public to stay at home to protect the NHS.
Photo taken Monday evening by Lauren Wilkes.

 

[Playford7]

Whos my pal?, your right thou,I am way out of your league, You would be so lucky if I got my hands on you but I Would rather get with a dog

Not me clearly, but you have a short memory... remember when you moaned about being bullied on here and I messaged you Jamie?...

Now your lord mincer, how times have changed eh pal?..

 

[shadow123]

Great ‘idea’ yes.

But never used as there was never a need, sure us the tax payer will pick up the cost down the line...

And a super spreader of a virus that won’t affect almost none of us sounds a bit strong mate, you can’t hide from this thing forever.

im aware it does affect a tiny majority, gaz told me it directly affected you and not for a second do I mean any disrespect or malice mate.

but it’s overkill for the amount of folks it affects health wise, it’s ruined me financially.. I lost my job, savings and had to re train for a virus that won’t touch me...

Sorry its caused you bad problems, but no one really knows hows its going to turn out,best case is that the vaccine does its job
and keeps it under control, worse case, god knows, seems a bit special this virus and there is a lot the so called experts dont know about
it.Surely it is better to be prepared for the worst
Who could have predicted that almost a year on we would still be in the shit with this Some goverment official made a big statement
when it first started spreading saying that in the worse scenario 40,000 people would die,we are well past that now.

What is really really pissing me off is the stupid drive to get kids back to shoòl,we have the means to teach online at home, not ideal
but we have all had to adapt, SAGE are dead against it but Gove seems to think he knows better,cant stand that bullshitter.
somehow reminds me of Mr Bean

 

[pinnit2014]

Whos my pal?, your right thou,I am way out of your league, You would be so lucky if I got my hands on you but I Would rather get with a dog

Woof.

 

[ESCJAMIE]

Not me clearly, but you have a short memory... remember when you moaned about being bullied on here and I messaged you Jamie?...

Now your lord mincer, how times have changed eh pal?..

Ben what are going on about Im trying to have bants with you that's all, Your acting like a snowflake RN, and im not sure why, But if I have upset you in anyway then im sorry

 

[Playford7]

Sorry its caused you bad problems, but no one really knows hows its going to turn out,best case is that the vaccine does its job
and keeps it under control, worse case, god knows, seems a bit special this virus and there is a lot the so called experts dont know about
it.Surely it is better to be prepared for the worst
Who could have predicted that almost a year on we would still be in the shit with this Some goverment official made a big statement
when it first started spreading saying that in the worse scenario 40,000 people would die,we are well past that now.

What is really really pissing me off is the stupid drive to get kids back to shoòl,we have the means to teach online at home, not ideal
but we have all had to adapt, SAGE are dead against it but Gove seems to think he knows better,cant stand that bullshitter.
somehow reminds me of Mr Bean

Totally agree, my daughter missed a few weeks of school since March..

yet we can’t see family, attend a wedding nor funeral, have a beer or meal...

yet our kids can mix with thousands of silly bubbles daily then return home and not spread Covid, this is alone one massive reason I won’t adhere to this utter nonsense mate.

 

[Playford7]

Ben what are going on about Im trying to have bants with you that's all, Your acting like a snowflake RN, and im not sure why, But if I have upset you in anyway then im sorry

Sorry not had a women in ages ‘pal’
I was pure snowflake last message, utterly shameful behaviour from a ageing stud like me mate

 

[ESCJAMIE]

Sorry not had a women in ages ‘pal’
I was pure snowflake last message, utterly shameful behaviour from a ageing stud like me mate

You are a stud Ben ive told you that before, all you need to do is slide in to my DM's

 

[Playford7]

You are a stud Ben ive told you that before, all you need to do is slide in to my DM's

Stop this! I’ll go shy haha
Sorry, no offence intended btw mate.

 

[ESCJAMIE]

Stop this! I’ll go shy haha
Sorry, no offence intended btw mate.

Its all good Ben !

Hope you had a good Xmas,

 

[Playford7]

Its all good Ben !

Hope you had a good Xmas,

Chilled one mate cheers for asking.

hope you had a good one too x

 

[geordiecolin]

After reading that last few pages I feel almost as if I had barged into my father attempting to "remove an obsruction "in her air wave via his dodgy heimlich maneuver

 

[dealer wins]

LBC presenter, a left wing MSM radio station singing from my hymn sheet.

He is spot on, this shit needs to stop. We need to learn to live with covid like we do with flu, cancer, heart attacks and everything else that kills us.

Killing our economy, which funds all our services, is literally cutting off the hand that feeds us.

 

[Playford7]

LBC presenter, a left wing MSM radio station singing from my hymn sheet.

He is spot on, this shit needs to stop. We need to learn to live with covid like we do with flu, cancer, heart attacks and everything else that kills us.

Killing our economy, which funds all our services, is literally cutting off the hand that feeds us.

He’s a good journalist mate,

he called out the Pakistani grooming gangs out when the rest where too scared of being labelled ‘waaaacist’

he’s also been bang on the money with Palestinians and the issues, also radical Islam and culture issues in the U.K.

He’s good, it’s why he’s hardly heard of.

also Richard Madeley, of Richard and Judy fame is now on talk radio and called out the nonsense loads...

Beats Morgan ‘and I look pretty but I’m thick as mince’ susanna the paid shill...on good morning Britain, Julie brewer is also a great listen too, that good infact they want her banned, I don’t listen to or watch MSM, infact my BBC licence fee ain’t been a thing since 7 years back.

ill use the news app for balance as Cant always listen one sided, but it’s just racism and social issues shite daily, no real news..
Hence why it’s dying mate..

 

[dealer wins]

I love talk Radio, especially Mike Graham and Kevin O'Sullivan.

I especially love their NSFW Thought Police podcast, the last one "Turkeys voting for Christmas" and the awards are gold

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[dealer wins]

This could be BS, but I somehow thinks it a legit nurse. If it is, then shame on the NHS

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[Playford7]

Covid corona curry cooking!

done a batch of chicken thighs, as we all like a good thigh ;-)

done 24 in total in a saag style curry, some tarkha dahl for the side also.

only having about 8 this evening, but have my sides, also sadly burned g bread ffs!..

And a nice garlic and mint dip!

the rice is lemon and to drink iced water folks!..

Wash hands, stay 9 miles apart and keep safe haha!

my toilet won’t be safe in the morning lol! I added extra heat!.

best wishes Ben, sox and my poor ass!

 

[Borgie]

Record number of Covid patients in hospital after highest daily rise in cases

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[ChopleyIOM]

Record number of Covid patients in hospital after highest daily rise in cases

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Must be false Borgie, because someone went to a hospital once and the corridor they went down didn't have many people in it, or something.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

<EDIT> - Double post carnage.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Do people understand what they class as an underlying condition though? Eczema for example is one. I think people have a misconception that an underlying condition is heart disease or COPD or something, but it isn't, it's literally anything they are being treated for. So if a 25 year old died of C-19 but had went to the Dr and got some cream for Eczema 6 months ago, they wouldn't be included in that 388 total.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

I wonder if this lady knows what she's talking about.

Nah, probably not.

 

[Retired IncomeNetwork Rep]

Hey all,
Hope you're all safe and well.
So I am officially a statisitc as I tested positive for COVID early/middle of December. Only started out with a loss of taste and smell and for a few days after I got my "positive" result I was wondering what all the fuss was about, then in a matter of a few hours I was collapsed on the floor struggling to breathe and a high temp!
I class myself a fairly young and pretty fit and it has knocked me for six! Still pretty breathless if I walk up the stairs or do something slightly more than walking! Can fully understand the reasons why those who are elderly or have an underlying respiratory condition need to be so careful! Suprisingly though my wife and kids never showed any symptoms which is a good thing.
Anyway, hope you all stay safe and have a great 2021.
Take care,
Steven

 

[colinsunderland]

Hey all,
Hope you're all safe and well.
So I am officially a statisitc as I tested positive for COVID early/middle of December. Only started out with a loss of taste and smell and for a few days after I got my "positive" result I was wondering what all the fuss was about, then in a matter of a few hours I was collapsed on the floor struggling to breathe and a high temp!
I class myself a fairly young and pretty fit and it has knocked me for six! Still pretty breathless if I walk up the stairs or do something slightly more than walking! Can fully understand the reasons why those who are elderly or have an underlying respiratory condition need to be so careful! Suprisingly though my wife and kids never showed any symptoms which is a good thing.
Anyway, hope you all stay safe and have a great 2021.
Take care,
Steven

Sorry to hear that Steven, glad to see you are on the road to recovery. Sounds very similar to what happened to my friends, they had it about a month before you and their breathing still isn't back to normal, so try not to do anything too strenuous short term.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Today's numbers are dreadful.

 

[cncas2123]

Today's numbers are dreadful.

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They will get worse over the next few weeks unfortunately. Too many people dont understand how dangerous it is to have this virus running amok in the community, its not just about how many "obese" "bame" people that it kills, its the long term damage its going to do to the people who catch it and suffer from long covid, its the fact that it will bring an already weakened NHS to the brink of collapse, its the fact that when the carers, the doctors and the nurses start to catch and get sick that there will be nobody to replace them.
But sure, at the end of the day, its only a flu, 85% of the people that catch it dont feel a thing, and the other 15% are obviously fat old people who we can do without anyway......

 

[dionysus]

Hey all,
Hope you're all safe and well.
So I am officially a statisitc as I tested positive for COVID early/middle of December. Only started out with a loss of taste and smell and for a few days after I got my "positive" result I was wondering what all the fuss was about, then in a matter of a few hours I was collapsed on the floor struggling to breathe and a high temp!
I class myself a fairly young and pretty fit and it has knocked me for six! Still pretty breathless if I walk up the stairs or do something slightly more than walking! Can fully understand the reasons why those who are elderly or have an underlying respiratory condition need to be so careful! Suprisingly though my wife and kids never showed any symptoms which is a good thing.
Anyway, hope you all stay safe and have a great 2021.
Take care,
Steven

Best wishes on a speedy and full recovery.
Happy 2021 as well

 

[Borgie]

They will get worse over the next few weeks unfortunately. Too many people dont understand how dangerous it is to have this virus running amok in the community, its not just about how many "obese" "bame" people that it kills, its the long term damage its going to do to the people who catch it and suffer from long covid, its the fact that it will bring an already weakened NHS to the brink of collapse, its the fact that when the carers, the doctors and the nurses start to catch and get sick that there will be nobody to replace them.
But sure, at the end of the day, its only a flu, 85% of the people that catch it dont feel a thing, and the other 15% are obviously fat old people who we can do without anyway......

I do not understand the constant attack some on here (not you @cncas2123) make on fat people and bame groups regarding this virus. To me it seems they simply have an issue with fat people or eithnic groups rather than it being anything to do with the virus. Even if it is to do with the virus are they saying becuse they are overweight or bame that makes it ok for them to get infected and possibly die as silly old them being fat or not white !!! Plus the attitude of the old do not matter Sorry this is abhorent .

 

[Playford7]

I do not understand the constant attack some on here (not you @cncas2123) make on fat people and bame groups regarding this virus. To me it seems they simply have an issue with fat people or eithnic groups rather than it being anything to do with the virus. Even if it is to do with the virus are they saying becuse they are overweight or bame that makes it ok for them to get infected and possibly die as silly old them being fat or not white !!! Plus the attitude of the old do not matter Sorry this is abhorent .

What’s the main demographic of people affected by corona?..

take a look then get back to me please.... rather than sly snipping comments.

 

[Playford7]

I do not understand the constant attack some on here (not you @cncas2123) make on fat people and bame groups regarding this virus. To me it seems they simply have an issue with fat people or eithnic groups rather than it being anything to do with the virus. Even if it is to do with the virus are they saying becuse they are overweight or bame that makes it ok for them to get infected and possibly die as silly old them being fat or not white !!! Plus the attitude of the old do not matter Sorry this is abhorent .

I also concur you agree months of attacks from @cncas2123 on other members disagreeing with his/her politics was all fair game as you where on that side of the fence?

sorry you can’t have it all ways all of the time.

we are all aloud a voice regardless of what you may think with your digs.

also @cncas2123 ive no problems with you at all, put all that to bed when the lord emperor Donald trump was outed (sadly)

 

[colinsunderland]

ok, so serious question for those who think lockdowns and restrictions shouldn't be used? What should be done instead?

There are restrictions in place at the moment and the NHS can't cope, so in my eyes, if there weren't any restrictions it would be worse.

Yes, obviously, not EVERY hospital in the country is overflowing, but just cos you went in one a month ago and it was empty, it doesn't mean every hospital is the same, or even every department in that hospital was.

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That shows that hospitals in the south east are currently running at over 100% capacity. There are reports tonight that in certain areas, ambulances are not able to respond to 999 calls as they are stuck at hospitals waiting to offload previous patients from previous calls. They can't do that as there isn't any beds.

This is from a post on another forum, which is first hand from a nurse here in the North East where it isn't as bad.

There were people waiting up to THIRTEEEN hours to be seen in Durham A&E at the weekend. No beds available so people on trolleys in corridors, ambulance crews often with them as they cannot hand over their patient until they have officially been seen meaning ambulance crews are spending hours standing around waiting to hand over to A&E instead of being out on the road.

So instead of lockdowns and restrictions, what is the solution, bearing in mind you can't use the Nightingale hospitals as there aren't any staff to run them, and if you take them from other departments, that means cancelling routine appointments, which is part of most people's arguments that lockdowns cause more problems than they solve.

 

[dealer wins]

Today's numbers are dreadful.

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If they only tested people that actually presented with symptoms perhaps we would be dealing with covid in a rational manor, rather than our government literally trolling to find more and more cases.

Its insanity to go out and test healthy people, actual insanity.

 

[dealer wins]

Colin I genuinely think lockdowns make infections rise. People using covid secure pubs and restaurants stops mixing in homes which carries a much higher rate of transmission.

And after 9 months of this BS, not many people are putting up with this tyranny anymore.

 

[colinsunderland]

115 cases in Sunderland. -13
2 deaths in Sunderland. -1
13 patients admitted to hospital in South Tyneside & Sunderland. -1
202 patients in hospital in South Tyneside & Sunderland. -10
8 patients on ventilation in South Tyneside & Sunderland. -4

1,230 cases in the NE. -23
23 deaths in the NE. -22
234 patients admitted to hospital in the NE & Yorks. +4
2,437 patients in hospital in the NE & Yorks. -93
159 patients on ventilation in the NE & Yorks. +10

53,135 cases in the UK. +16,331
414 deaths in the UK. -277
2,322 patients admitted to hospital in the UK. +447
21,286 patients in hospital in the UK. +2,343
1,529 patients on ventilation in the UK. +165

357,328 tests conducted.

Sunderland 7 day rolling average:
178 cases per 100,000 using backdated data. +29
209 cases per 100,000 using daily data. +27

408 cases per 100,000 for the UK using daily data. +75

Thats the full figures for today (including north east specific ones). Deaths are down because of reporting, not because less people have died. The 408 cases per 100000 is terrible.

 

[Borgie]

I also concur you agree months of attacks from @cncas2123 on other members disagreeing with his/her politics was all fair game as you where on that side of the fence?

sorry you can’t have it all ways all of the time.

we are all aloud a voice regardless of what you may think with your digs.

also @cncas2123 ive no problems with you at all, put all that to bed when the lord emperor Donald trump was outed (sadly)

Yes we are all allowed a voice i agree .

 

[colinsunderland]

Colin I genuinely think lockdowns make infections rise. People using covid secure pubs and restaurants stops mixing in homes which carries a much higher rate of transmission.

And after 9 months of this BS, not many people are putting up with this tyranny anymore.

Well can you show some figures to back that up, because both times theres been a lockdown in place, figures across all reporting has declined, then when there hasn't been one they have risen.
In a lockdown people aren't supposed to mix in each others homes?

 

[dealer wins]

Well can you show some figures to back that up, because both times theres been a lockdown in place, figures across all reporting has declined, then when there hasn't been one they have risen.
In a lockdown people aren't supposed to mix in each others homes?

Tell you what declines with each lockdown. Jobs, businesses, mental health, treatment for many life threatening conditions.

Some things increase too. Suicides, child abuse, spousal abuse, national debt, poverty, homelessness etc

 

[colinsunderland]

Tell you what declines with each lockdown. Jobs, businesses, mental health, treatment for many life threatening conditions.

Some things increase too. Suicides, child abuse, spousal abuse, national debt, poverty, homelessness etc

So thats a no then?

If I tell you I genuinely believe in unicorns, it doesn't make them real.

I was wanting a serious genuine discussion, as I keep seeing people saying lockdowns don't work, but never actually saying what we should do instead.

Obviously you are incapable of that, so go back to sticking your fingers in your ears shouting lalala I'm right, you're wrong. I'll go back to thinking you're a troll.

 

[cncas2123]

I also concur you agree months of attacks from @cncas2123 on other members disagreeing with his/her politics was all fair game as you where on that side of the fence?

sorry you can’t have it all ways all of the time.

we are all aloud a voice regardless of what you may think with your digs.

also @cncas2123 ive no problems with you at all, put all that to bed when the lord emperor Donald trump was outed (sadly)

I have never had any issues with anyones politics, either on the forum or in the real world. I am not a political person, I have voted once in the 35 years that I have been entitled to vote, simply because in NI the main focus of the major political parties has been religion, not real issues like education, health, jobs.
What I did take issue with was people posting conspiracy theories, posting absolutely disproved theories, and when they were challenged to post evidence they never did produce one piece.
I will never berate anyone for their political views, but I will always call out BS and mistruths.

 

[cncas2123]

What’s the main demographic of people affected by corona?..

take a look then get back to me please.... rather than sly snipping comments.

If NI is anything to go by, the demographic is changing rapidly. Here in NI there are more and more people in the 20 - 39 age group being hospitalised due to coronavirus, and my understanding is that London is seeing the same.
The main problem with the virus is that nobody has any idea what the long term effects are for younger people who catch it but seem to recover from it, we could very much be seeing a bigger problem with bronchial issues in the coming years.

 

[Playford7]

If NI is anything to go by, the demographic is changing rapidly. Here in NI there are more and more people in the 20 - 39 age group being hospitalised due to coronavirus, and my understanding is that London is seeing the same.
The main problem with the virus is that nobody has any idea what the long term effects are for younger people who catch it but seem to recover from it, we could very much be seeing a bigger problem with bronchial issues in the coming years.

Fair comment. Just going to walk me dog and I’ll get back to you.

 

[Playford7]

Yes we are all allowed a voice i agree .

Well rather than a backhanded comment why not address me like cncas? Or PM me?..

your well aware I’m perfectly approachable.

anyhow said my peace, no hard feelings from my side as always.

ben

 

[Playford7]

ok, so serious question for those who think lockdowns and restrictions shouldn't be used? What should be done instead?

There are restrictions in place at the moment and the NHS can't cope, so in my eyes, if there weren't any restrictions it would be worse.

Yes, obviously, not EVERY hospital in the country is overflowing, but just cos you went in one a month ago and it was empty, it doesn't mean every hospital is the same, or even every department in that hospital was.

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That shows that hospitals in the south east are currently running at over 100% capacity. There are reports tonight that in certain areas, ambulances are not able to respond to 999 calls as they are stuck at hospitals waiting to offload previous patients from previous calls. They can't do that as there isn't any beds.

This is from a post on another forum, which is first hand from a nurse here in the North East where it isn't as bad.

There were people waiting up to THIRTEEEN hours to be seen in Durham A&E at the weekend. No beds available so people on trolleys in corridors, ambulance crews often with them as they cannot hand over their patient until they have officially been seen meaning ambulance crews are spending hours standing around waiting to hand over to A&E instead of being out on the road.

So instead of lockdowns and restrictions, what is the solution, bearing in mind you can't use the Nightingale hospitals as there aren't any staff to run them, and if you take them from other departments, that means cancelling routine appointments, which is part of most people's arguments that lockdowns cause more problems than they solve.

Would this be as the staff are all off with corona yet showing no symptoms?.. wasn’t this touching 90k?.

via a test that’s about as reliable as a BTG official screenshot?..

Personally and as controversial as this is I’d open the lot up.

let (for borgies sensitivity’s) those over weight, those in minorities whom are at genuine risk (WHO’s guidelines and local guidelines from the U.K.) also bame folks and the elderly shield ‘should they wish’ and take measures regarding themselves and those close.

the rest of us let us work, travel and have a pint at will, I’m not overly fond of being told what to do at the best of times.

and In honestly I’ve listened to this BS for months, I stuck to it to the word for touching 9 weeks.

my bicep op is finished due to this, physio on my back ended..

Lost my job, lost my savings...

excuse me a moment whilst I sweep all the dead from my front, also move the car so the mass procession of funeral cars go by....

joking aside, I won’t ever budge from the fact it’s really not that serious col, not facts and stats from some website, just personal experience mate.

no offence intended, but it’s where I’m at with this corona nonsense.

 

[Jono777]

About time I added a little of my knowledgeless input.....

Can agree and disagree with most of what I read in the past few pages, confused you will be....

Anyway re: lockdowns, based on what I witness they would work better if people actually knew what was expected of them (depending on Tier) and once they understood what was required, maybe, erm actually fucking doing it!

Wolverhampton is currently Tier 3 - from my understanding just short of total/full lock down. I see normal life wherever I may go, total pre-covid behavior - I am also a delivery driver so I go to a lot of places so it is not just a short sample size.

Another personal feeling is yes it exists, yes it is dangerous and yes we have to get it under control etc etc BUT I also feel the press, government and whoever else powers that be, louder voices etc LOVE a good scaremongering - I feel this is out of order but is done to get the likes of the citizens of Wolverhampton (As an example among many) to listen and do as we're told - problem is it is not working!

Said since day 1 and most will disagree but I still say the most powerful weapon so far against this evil virus is common sense!

 

[dealer wins]

Lockdowns kill more than they save (Although I would agree they dont save any lives at all)

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[vorcirion]

Lockdowns kill more than they save (Although I would agree they dont save any lives at all)

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Thankfully our citizens are more sensible. They actually care about their countrymen and follow the rules. That's why we don't need lockdowns while you do. I think you should get chinese kind of lockdowns since you don't seem to learn otherwise.

 

[colinsunderland]

Would this be as the staff are all off with corona yet showing no symptoms?.. wasn’t this touching 90k?.

via a test that’s about as reliable as a BTG official screenshot?..

Personally and as controversial as this is I’d open the lot up.

let (for borgies sensitivity’s) those over weight, those in minorities whom are at genuine risk (WHO’s guidelines and local guidelines from the U.K.) also bame folks and the elderly shield ‘should they wish’ and take measures regarding themselves and those close.

the rest of us let us work, travel and have a pint at will, I’m not overly fond of being told what to do at the best of times.

and In honestly I’ve listened to this BS for months, I stuck to it to the word for touching 9 weeks.

my bicep op is finished due to this, physio on my back ended..

Lost my job, lost my savings...

excuse me a moment whilst I sweep all the dead from my front, also move the car so the mass procession of funeral cars go by....

joking aside, I won’t ever budge from the fact it’s really not that serious col, not facts and stats from some website, just personal experience mate.

no offence intended, but it’s where I’m at with this corona nonsense.

You haven't gave a solution. You have just said open everything, well yes, I get that is what some people want, but the fact is, if that happens hospitals will be over capacity within weeks, so how would you combat that? Normal ops will get cancelled, routine appointments will get cancelled, people will die because they can't get treatment. Thats happening now according to some, but the fact is, it would be worse if we had never put any restrictions in place.

In the stuff I've read today I've not seen anything saying 90k of nurses are off because they tested positive, all the reports are saying it's because of the massive increase of patients due to C19 and therefore no beds left. Can you link to where you have seen that so many nurses are off? The most recent I can find is this saying 30k NHS staff

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which isn't just nurses, its across all NHS staff. Granted it's probably increased by now.

 

[colinsunderland]

Lockdowns kill more than they save (Although I would agree they dont save any lives at all)

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3 'experts' quoted there, 2 from the UK don't say anything of the sort, the third isn't even from here, they are from the other side of the world, and has been discredited in previous things she said, plus anyone who says Sweden is the model the world should be following needs their head looking at.

 

[dealer wins]

Thankfully our citizens are more sensible. They actually care about their countrymen and follow the rules. That's why we don't need lockdowns while you do. I think you should get chinese kind of lockdowns since you don't seem to learn otherwise.

I want to live in a free society not under communism, even if the black death were ravaging society thank you very much.

 

[sufferinsilence]

3 'experts' quoted there, 2 from the UK don't say anything of the sort, the third isn't even from here, they are from the other side of the world, and has been discredited in previous things she said, plus anyone who says Sweden is the model the world should be following needs their head looking at.

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B-b-b-but Sweden