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The difference between you and dealer is that you post your opinion and say why you think that. No one has a problem with that as everyone has different opinions.
He just posts absolute shite, then refuses to ever back up what he says. He said not long ago the peak was before lockdown started, then he posts a graph showing deaths spiked massively a month after it started. How could it peak more than a month before the highest death rate?
The Daily Fail article he posted just now, took me around 30 seconds to see what the same 'expert' had said at the start of it all, which is the complete opposite of what that article says.
Has constantly said we should have done what Sweden have. Never answers when people point out how poorly they have done.
Posted a video to a house party being broken up and claimed it was a BLM protest. I could go through the thread and find dozens more examples like them.

FWIW, I know 3 people who have died, not very well, but I've met all three. All three were fit and healthy and under 50.
My best friend and her BF had it a couple of months back. Neither could get out of bed for a week. Both fit and well. He went back to work for a week and had to go back on the sick as he struggles to get his breath now. Before this started he was at the gym twice a day and has weights and stuff at home he used to use. He can't lift them now at all.

It might not affect many people under 80, who are fit and well, but it certainly does affect some.
Sweden as I’m sure mate I’ve already said can’t be compared to us as it’s a nonsense.

anyhow prepping dinner like the master chef I am, stand by folks and all the best and merry Xmas!..
 
Sweden as I’m sure mate I’ve already said can’t be compared to us as it’s a nonsense.

anyhow prepping dinner like the master chef I am, stand by folks and all the best and merry Xmas!..

Saved you the hassle of posting.

Got a picture of your dinner before you cover it in cheese. No need to thank me. Merry Christmas:)

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ok.
keep us posted.
hope you will feel better soon.
All sorted, just needed another beer and smoke.

was a worrying moment for all like 5 seconds, thought the old Covid had caught up with me.

alas I’ve escaped the plague and live to fight another day, this 14st of tuned fighting muscle isn’t scared of no cold ha!., bring on the Covid (cold)
 
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hmmm does this mean lockdowns, social distancing, masks all make no difference to the spread of covid.

Would explain why Sweden did not suffer any more deaths per 100k than nations that locked down hard?

Are lockdowns literally not saving a single covid death, but causing many many non covid excess deaths, job losses, business failures, metal health issues, suicides, cancer and other serious illness deaths.

I know you all think Im a raving lunatic, but this paper and research is by a respected uni.
 
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hmmm does this mean lockdowns, social distancing, masks all make no difference to the spread of covid.

Would explain why Sweden did not suffer any more deaths per 100k than nations that locked down hard?

Are lockdowns literally not saving a single covid death, but causing many many non covid excess deaths, job losses, business failures, metal health issues, suicides, cancer and other serious illness deaths.

I know you all think Im a raving lunatic, but this paper and research is by a respected uni.
I don’t think Your a lunatic pal, you just don’t agree with the rest.

nor do i .

but Many don’t need to Leave the house for earnings, many didn’t have to before corona... its easy supporting this BS when it doesn’t affect your income or how you provide for your family mate.


ask all those mate that ridicule you what they work as, how it affects them and what there job is.. especially U.K. based, you won’t get a answer:

out of respect though mate col is a good guy, he’s no troll or fool, as much as he may disagree with you if you address him in the correct way he will have all the time in the world for you, with all due respect it’s certain things you post mate that can’t be taken with any seriousness...

love you with kisses mate, Ben x
 
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hmmm does this mean lockdowns, social distancing, masks all make no difference to the spread of covid.

Would explain why Sweden did not suffer any more deaths per 100k than nations that locked down hard?

Are lockdowns literally not saving a single covid death, but causing many many non covid excess deaths, job losses, business failures, metal health issues, suicides, cancer and other serious illness deaths.

I know you all think Im a raving lunatic, but this paper and research is by a respected uni.


If you actually read and understood the report, or even just the conclusion, you would know it doesn't argue your case at all, the opposite in fact.

Conclusions
The findings of this study suggest that households are and will continue to be important venues for transmission, even where community transmission is reduced. Prevention strategies, such as increased mask-wearing at home, improved ventilation, voluntary isolation at external facilities, and targeted antiviral prophylaxis, should be further explored.
 
All sorted, just needed another beer and smoke.

was a worrying moment for all like 5 seconds, thought the old Covid had caught up with me.

alas I’ve escaped the plague and live to fight another day, this 14st of tuned fighting muscle isn’t scared of no cold ha!., bring on the Covid (cold)

that’s nice.
 
All sorted, just needed another beer and smoke.

was a worrying moment for all like 5 seconds, thought the old Covid had caught up with me.

alas I’ve escaped the plague and live to fight another day, this 14st of tuned fighting muscle isn’t scared of no cold ha!., bring on the Covid (cold)
I'll tell ya Ben - and honestly youve no idea - a few do - how hard this is to type.
This is the worst time to joke. People are dying.
Yes, my cousin has it and he's pretty ill and we're lucky he was smart enough to realize it before he passed it along and stayed home before he spread it to his mom, wife and kids
Sure some people can shrug iit off, others can't. It isnt a fucking cold. I worry every bloody day for my senior mom working in a nursing home as our town numbers climb -cases AND deaths - and are hitting as close as a few steps away.

Point is Ben - this shouldnt become an election fraud Trump kind of thread - ie a few crazies cant get with the programme. There's enough data out there. It isn't a "kung-flu" it's real, it's here and it's well, dangerous. And it's frustrating when people can't seem to get on board ;)

And FTR? People care and worry. So there's the corona meme thread for levity. Joking here you have it? Stupid. And selfish.
 
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All sorted, just needed another beer and smoke.

was a worrying moment for all like 5 seconds, thought the old Covid had caught up with me.

alas I’ve escaped the plague and live to fight another day, this 14st of tuned fighting muscle isn’t scared of no cold ha!., bring on the Covid (cold)
Considering that CM members have lost people close to them to Covid (including shadow who's posted to this thread about losing his wife), I honestly think this is in extremely poor taste, and massively insensitive.
 
Considering that CM members have lost people close to them to Covid (including shadow who's posted to this thread about losing his wife), I honestly think this is in extremely poor taste, and massively insensitive.
Agree, I was a drunken moron and massively apologise.
totally out of line.
 
I'll tell ya Ben - and honestly youve no idea - a few do - how hard this is to type.
This is the worst time to joke. People are dying.
Yes, my cousin has it and he's pretty ill and we're lucky he was smart enough to realize it before he passed it along and stayed home before he spread it to his mom, wife and kids
Sure some people can shrug iit off, others can't. It isnt a fucking cold. I worry every bloody day for my senior mom working in a nursing home as our town numbers climb -cases AND deaths - and are hitting as close as a few steps away.

Point is Ben - this shouldnt become an election fraud Trump kind of thread - ie a few crazies cant get with the programme. There's enough data out there. It isn't a "kung-flu" it's real, it's here and it's well, dangerous. And it's frustrating when people can't seem to get on board ;)

And FTR? People care and worry. So there's the corona meme thread for levity. Joking here you have it? Stupid. And selfish.
Apologies, drunken nonsense and wasn’t thinking. I was way out of line and totally regret what was said.
 
Apologies, drunken nonsense and wasn’t thinking. I was way out of line and totally regret what was said.

I'm saying this as a friend.

Drink or no drink, Friends and family of members here have actually died, due to this Virus.

I have personal friends (Nurses) who are working triple shifts, just to cope with the influx.

One thing i can only ask of you is to not comment on this thread in the future, go to the Meme's thread.

It's not about You, But jeez mate, there's a line and by feck you crossed it, by a mile on this thread.
 
I'm saying this as a friend.

Drink or no drink, Friends and family of members here have actually died, due to this Virus.

I have personal friends (Nurses) who are working triple shifts, just to cope with the influx.

One thing i can only ask of you is to not comment on this thread in the future, go to the Meme's thread.

It's not about You, But jeez mate, there's a line and by feck you crossed it, by a mile on this thread.
I’ve sent you a PM gaz.

Also last night was in terrible taste from myself, but that said I still don’t think the measures justify the means regarding corona.


I mean I could ask about pre exciting conditions, weight, ethnicity etc..

its super rare Covid alone takes a person down.

but out of respect mate I’ll tone down my thoughts, I’ll keep it to corona cooking.
 
I see this totally discredited leftie is still on the New and Emerging Respiratory Virus Threats Advisory Group (Nervtag) advising the government to destroy the country.

No wonder we are still following insane lockdown policies, destroying jobs, health, wealth and lives. His bestie the Communist party member Susan Mitchie is still on SAGE too. Why is a Conservative government listening to these lunatics and ignoring 1000s of experts all saying that lockdowns are a disaster as per the Great Barrington Declaration.

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Iam upmost sorry if I upset anyone last night, I meant no malice or hurt.

I get we all have differing views regarding this virus, but I also believe we should be allowed a opinion irrelevant of which way it leans.

I’m genuinely sorry if anyone has been touched by corona, but we all have in certain ways so I do believe we all have a voice.

many views last night where in poor taste, and for that I do genuinely apologise to the membership and those offended by it.

Ben
 
I see this totally discredited leftie is still on the New and Emerging Respiratory Virus Threats Advisory Group (Nervtag) advising the government to destroy the country.

No wonder we are still following insane lockdown policies, destroying jobs, health, wealth and lives. His bestie the Communist party member Susan Mitchie is still on SAGE too. Why is a Conservative government listening to these lunatics and ignoring 1000s of experts all saying that lockdowns are a disaster as per the Great Barrington Declaration.

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I'm not going to do it for you, but why don't you actually do some research into the complete shite you post, before you post it?

Quick task. First one on the list. Can you link me to where it was predicted by him, that there were would be 150k deaths from foot and mouth? The actual report, not facebook shite like you have posted above. To save you some time I can tell you, you can't, as it's a lie.

How many Covid 19 deaths do you predict there would be if no measures were put in place?

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theres the report if you want to read it, because I'll bet you haven't.

Why did you post something last night claiming it said one thing when it said the opposite?
 
I'm not going to do it for you, but why don't you actually do some research into the complete shite you post, before you post it?

Quick task. First one on the list. Can you link me to where it was predicted by him, that there were would be 150k deaths from foot and mouth? The actual report, not facebook shite like you have posted above. To save you some time I can tell you, you can't, as it's a lie.

How many Covid 19 deaths do you predict there would be if no measures were put in place?

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theres the report if you want to read it, because I'll bet you haven't.

Why did you post something last night claiming it said one thing when it said the opposite?

I love your dedication of responding to him Colin but it's been obvious now for a while he's just here to stir the pot. He'll never give a straight answer and just moves on to the next popular shared item amongst Facebook-virologists.
 
I'm not going to do it for you, but why don't you actually do some research into the complete shite you post, before you post it?

Quick task. First one on the list. Can you link me to where it was predicted by him, that there were would be 150k deaths from foot and mouth? The actual report, not facebook shite like you have posted above. To save you some time I can tell you, you can't, as it's a lie.

How many Covid 19 deaths do you predict there would be if no measures were put in place?

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theres the report if you want to read it, because I'll bet you haven't.

Why did you post something last night claiming it said one thing when it said the opposite?
Col mate how do you have the energy lol, I think dealer is awesome but as someone not overly concerned by Covid I find his examples of said virus crazy when trying to convince the world it’s not a thing.

hope you had a good Boxing Day btw, bloody boro is pissing down and blowing a Gale like the film twister.

going to eat left over king prawns with bellini’s and enjoy a civilised beer.
 
I love your dedication of responding to him Colin but it's been obvious now for a while he's just here to stir the pot. He'll never give a straight answer and just moves on to the next popular shared item amongst Facebook-virologists.
Touché, I like dealer but can’t see what he’s trying to gain here.
 
I'm not going to do it for you, but why don't you actually do some research into the complete shite you post, before you post it?

Quick task. First one on the list. Can you link me to where it was predicted by him, that there were would be 150k deaths from foot and mouth? The actual report, not facebook shite like you have posted above. To save you some time I can tell you, you can't, as it's a lie.

How many Covid 19 deaths do you predict there would be if no measures were put in place?

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theres the report if you want to read it, because I'll bet you haven't.

Why did you post something last night claiming it said one thing when it said the opposite?
And their prediction was utter tosh, just like their prediction for Sweden, who chose not to lockdown, thankfully showing how completely and utterly wrong they were.

In the fullness of time, I have no doubt that it will be shown that lockdowns have caused more dealths overall, let alone the millions of jobs lost, poverty caused, and possibly severe economic problems that the UK will be facing soon.
 
I love your dedication of responding to him Colin but it's been obvious now for a while he's just here to stir the pot. He'll never give a straight answer and just moves on to the next popular shared item amongst Facebook-virologists.
Col mate how do you have the energy lol, I think dealer is awesome but as someone not overly concerned by Covid I find his examples of said virus crazy when trying to convince the world it’s not a thing.

hope you had a good Boxing Day btw, bloody boro is pissing down and blowing a Gale like the film twister.

going to eat left over king prawns with bellini’s and enjoy a civilised beer.

I already knew the answers, I see the same stuff on twitter and other forums, and unlike 'someone' who is trolling on here, read the responses, then when I'm bored do a bit of research myself on it. 9 times out of ten when he posts shite on here I've already looked at it a day or two beforehand.
 
And their prediction was utter tosh, just like their prediction for Sweden, who chose not to lockdown, thankfully showing how completely and utterly wrong they were.

In the fullness of time, I have no doubt that it will be shown that lockdowns have caused more dealths overall, let alone the millions of jobs lost, poverty caused, and possibly severe economic problems that the UK will be facing soon.
What prediction? That there would be 500000 deaths in 2 years if there were absolutely no restrictions or measures put in place to try to slow/stop the spread of the virus?

How can you say it wouldn't be true?

1. There were restrictions and measures put in place
2. 2 years haven't passed

Sweden has a terrible record in dealing with the virus, stop talking so much shit.

Still waiting for answers to all the other questions you have been asked.
 
What prediction? That there would be 500000 deaths in 2 years if there were absolutely no restrictions or measures put in place to try to slow/stop the spread of the virus?

How can you say it wouldn't be true?

1. There were restrictions and measures put in place
2. 2 years haven't passed

Sweden has a terrible record in dealing with the virus, stop talking so much shit.

Still waiting for answers to all the other questions you have been asked.
Can we halt the sweden thing please, it’s been debunked a million times over.

it’s like comparing Texas to Sunderland.
 
I dont know why we all are even arguing over lockdowns. In a free and civil society they shouldnt even be on the menu, EVER.

If a pandemic came along that was worthy of a lockdown, no one would leave their home trust me!
Lockdowns don’t work, yet we have more mate...
we will be on tier 87 this time next year, it’s like reaching the best level on mario haha!
 
He’s allowed a opinion mate, but I can’t defend his posts about stats that can’t hold up to any scrutiny, especially when he won’t back them up himself.
And thats the difference between someone trolling and someone posting their opinion. If you have an opinion about something, then you obviously have your reasons for doing so. He clearly doesn't as he just posts random stuff constantly and NEVER answers a single question about why he thinks what he posted is right, or when shown something that shows what he posted isn't true, ignores it completely. Look at yesterday, posted implying a report said one thing when it actually said the complete opposite. Hasn't responded to any questions or anything, just posts more misleading shite tonight. That is literally the definition of a troll.

You and others have differing views on stuff to me, I don't call you a troll for that, because if I ask you a question then you tend to answer, if I disagree with you it doesn't mean I'm a troll, if you disagree with me, you aren't a troll. If one of us posts random shite to get a reaction from others, then we would be trolling.
 
And thats the difference between someone trolling and someone posting their opinion. If you have an opinion about something, then you obviously have your reasons for doing so. He clearly doesn't as he just posts random stuff constantly and NEVER answers a single question about why he thinks what he posted is right, or when shown something that shows what he posted isn't true, ignores it completely. Look at yesterday, posted implying a report said one thing when it actually said the complete opposite. Hasn't responded to any questions or anything, just posts more misleading shite tonight. That is literally the definition of a troll.

You and others have differing views on stuff to me, I don't call you a troll for that, because if I ask you a question then you tend to answer, if I disagree with you it doesn't mean I'm a troll, if you disagree with me, you aren't a troll. If one of us posts random shite to get a reaction from others, then we would be trolling.
Agree and fair comment mate.

I see loads that I could post that leans to my view point, reason I don’t is once done so it’s up for discussion whether anyone agrees or not, not only do I not have the time to defend it, I’ve also not the knowledge to post it and deem it as fact to other people.

yes I’ll always be opinionated, have my views etc, but as you say it’s a different beast to posting stats and the like.

if I ever have time to and do post like mentioned above then I’ll have the conviction to stand by it and defend where it came from.

and your far from a troll, hence why I listen to your opinion with value and respect, whether I agree or not col.
 
These pandemic forecasts just almost every time are made with very poor data available and most predictions are way higher than reality, afterwards these modelings and how these are done look very poor (from scientic point of view), of course these have some pressure outside of science and for sure not willing to underestimate how dangerous something could be in worse case scenarios like it happened with BSE and been happening with covid all the time.

Big part of it probably is that when there are death numbers, people tend to be less pragmatic and overreact which is part of human nature but it still anyway bad science that shouldn't use any emotions and feelings, viruses don't have them, either do modeling science.

It's again everybody own opinion is it right to publish some models which are made to be worse than reality due to good cause and making sure people are taking something more serious but for science point of view it's not acceptable and make these predictions looking usually quite bad.

Extending the analysis to consider absolute risk, we estimate the 95% confidence interval for future vCJD mortality to be 50 to 50,000 human deaths considering exposure to bovine BSE alone, with the upper bound increasing to 150,000 once we include exposure from the worst-case ovine BSE scenario examined.
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