Corona virus - Covid 19 discussion

[mack341]

Dr Hodkinson addressing the Edmonton’s Council Chambers [canada I think]





Noting that he was also an expert in virology, Hodkinson pointed out that his role as CEO of a biotech company that manufactures COVID tests means, “I might know a little bit about all this.”

“There is utterly unfounded public hysteria driven by the media and politicians, it’s outrageous, this is the greatest hoax ever perpetrated on an unsuspecting public,” said Hodkinson.

The doctor said that nothing could be done to stop the spread of the virus besides protecting older more vulnerable people and that the whole situation represented “politics playing medicine, and that’s a very dangerous game.”

The doctor also slammed the unreliability of PCR tests, noting that “positive test results do not, underlined in neon, mean a clinical infection,” and that all testing should stop because the false numbers are “driving public hysteria.”

Hodkinson said that the risk of death in the province of Alberta for people under the age of 65 was “one in three hundred thousand,” and that it was simply “outrageous” to shut down society for what the doctor said “was just another bad flu.”

“I’m absolutely outraged that this has reached this level, it should all stop tomorrow,” concluded Dr. Hodkinson.

Hodkinson’s credentials are beyond question, with the MedMalDoctors website affirming his credibility.

“He received his general medical degrees from Cambridge University in the UK (M.A., M.B., B. Chir.) where he was a scholar at Corpus Christi College. Following a residency at the University of British Columbia he became a Royal College certified general pathologist (FRCPC) and also a Fellow of the College of American Pathologists (FCAP).”
“He is in good Standing with the College of Physicians and Surgeons of Alberta, and has been recognized by the Court of Queen’s Bench in Alberta as an expert in pathology.”

 

[colinsunderland]

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Whats your point in posting that?
Are you going to answer any of the questions I've asked or are you just trolling?

 

[dealer wins]

Im banging my head against a brick wall here.

We are now not allowed to see our children, partners, parents or friends, only essential shops are open.

But people think this is great, and want even more restrictions. Welcome to totalitarianism, its wonderful and never ending.

When the lenders of the trillions of pounds to keep funding the health service, education, emergency services etc realise they wont get their money back, we will be as poor as North Koreans, im glad im 51 rather than 21.

The last thing to worry about will be SOWs lol

Over and out on this madness!!

 

[slotplayer]

Im banging my head against a brick wall here.

We are now not allowed to see our children, partners, parents or friends, only essential shops are open.

But people think this is great, and want even more restrictions. Welcome to totalitarianism, its wonderful and never ending.

When the lenders of the trillions of pounds to keep funding the health service, education, emergency services etc realise they wont get their money back, we will be as poor as North Koreans, im glad im 51 rather than 21.

The last thing to worry about will be SOWs lol

Over and out on this madness!!

What do you think the vaccines are really for? To get us to conform to their will. Resist at all costs!

 

[Kroffe]

Yeah, down with the evil vaccines!
Getting us to conform to their will is only a small part of the plan.
It goes sooo much deeper.

Not really tho.

 

[Steviedoo]

This thread tho...wtf for real..

 

[slotplayer]

Watch the Global News segment:
Not to down play it but...

Global News says: 1000 US hospitals have staff shortages:
Total Number of All U.S. Hospitals 6,146

Global News says: North Dakota has one of the highest death rates per capita
See North Dakota in the chart at the bottom

Global new says some states have mandatory mask mandates while others do not.
I saw the map the other day, 13 (out of 50) states don't have mask mandates.

Global News says 50 million traveling for Thanksgiving:
AAA says:

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[Kroffe]

" Those who decide to travel are likely to drive shorter distances and reduce the number of days they are away, making road trips the dominant form of travel this Thanksgiving. Travel by automobile is projected to fall 4.3%, to 47.8 million travelers and account for 95% of all holiday travel. "

From the article you posted.
Sounds like "close to 50 million" as they said in the video to me.
Or were the links just to prove the video right?

Edit: Im confused.

 

[slotplayer]

" Those who decide to travel are likely to drive shorter distances and reduce the number of days they are away, making road trips the dominant form of travel this Thanksgiving. Travel by automobile is projected to fall 4.3%, to 47.8 million travelers and account for 95% of all holiday travel. "

From the article you posted.
Sounds like "close to 50 million" as they said in the video to me.
Or were the links just to prove the video right?

Edit: Confused.

The video was right with the ~50 million number, (they had to as it was too easy to fact check) but did not mention what you quoted so it gave the wrong impression to me anyway.

Another for you.

 

[Kroffe]

The video was right with the ~50 million number, (they had to as it was too easy to fact check) but did not mention what you quoted so it gave the wrong impression to me anyway.

What was wrong in the video?

 

[slotplayer]

What was wrong in the video?

That's two. You're on a roll. I did give you a like for your musical selection however.

 

[Kroffe]

That's two. You're on a roll. I did give you a like for your musical selection however.


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I dont understand, you posted a video, and then links and numbers showing the video was right.
Was that your point?
Here, you deserve a cooler wow. =)

 

[colinsunderland]

Im banging my head against a brick wall here.

We are now not allowed to see our children, partners, parents or friends, only essential shops are open.

But people think this is great, and want even more restrictions. Welcome to totalitarianism, its wonderful and never ending.

When the lenders of the trillions of pounds to keep funding the health service, education, emergency services etc realise they wont get their money back, we will be as poor as North Koreans, im glad im 51 rather than 21.

The last thing to worry about will be SOWs lol

Over and out on this madness!!

That is one of the most ridiculous things I've seen anyone post anywhere. You think people think lockdowns are great, you think people think it's great we can't see our families? No one wants that. No one wanted a pandemic. Everyone wants the pandemic to stop. People disagree on the best way to do that. Some think a longer, stricter lockdown will help by stopping as many people dying. Some think the opposite to be true, because there is always going to be an increase as soon as restrictions are lifted, until such time a vaccine is produced and rolled out. No one thinks it's great, they just have differing views on the best way to stop our parents, grandparents, friends dying.

There are differing views on how to handle this, and history will probably tell us (possibly not in our lifetime) which way was correct. A worldwide pandemic is new in modern times, so anything any government do is guesswork, based on what advisors think will happen if we do x, y or z.

Personally I would rather listen to them and decide what I think about what they are saying by looking at the evidence myself, than listen to someone on facebook, who has just posted a jpg of some random rant saying something like 'lockdowns don't work, herd immunity is the way forward, lift the lockdown'. Almost every time I've seen someone post something like that (herd immunity was just an example, there are 100's more I could have used), the person posting it hasn't got a clue what they are talking about. As soon as you post a genuine question about how they came to that conclusion, they shut up, as they can't answer. A bit like you really. You keep posting 'facts' on here yet won't answer a single question about how you have came to that conclusion. China had a lockdown, a much stricter lockdown than we had, they have had one death in the past 2 weeks (obviously thats taking at face value that the figures they are reporting are true!). We have had 5582. Norway had a lockdown, total deaths are 306, past 2 weeks are 21. Your poster child for arguing we shouldn't have had a lockdown, Sweden, total deaths 6406, last 2 weeks 384. When asked why Sweden's figures were so bad when compared to a similar country that did have a lockdown, you wouldn't answer. Figures like that lead me to believe a lockdown is, unfortunately, the way to stop as many people dying. That doesn't mean I think a lockdown is great, far from it. But I don't want people I know, love, care about, to die either.

There are counter arguments to pretty much anything that happens, or to any theory about what the world should do, but all people can do is look at all the available facts, data, future modelling and make their minds up based on that. I know there is going to be a large debt at the end of it, I know taxes are going to increase, public sector salaries will be frozen, people will have lost jobs and the countries benefit bill will be higher for the foreseeable future, but we will get through it, we will recover, as we always do. What won't recover are the thousands of people who have died.

 

[Gaz237]

I read some of the absolute crap posted on FB.

To be honest i find it quite alarming that the amount of people who live their lives through FB and have no real concept of what's going on in the real world.

Not just with the pandemic, but everything in their lives and if something is posted on FB, it's gospel.

Even on this thread we have people posting supposed facts, yet when challenged they feel they have no need to back them up.

@slotplayer, you take the prized plum award for the video you posted, with links contradicting it. Your quite happy to post nonsense, yet clam up when questioned.

@dealer wins, i'm not even going to comment about your posts, as if you believe only half of what you rant about, your way beyond help.

@colinsunderland, i would give up. Sadly you can't educate stupid and social media will always out Trump, real facts, which is actually quite scary.

Thankfully FB have been ordered to clean up their act, with fake news, hate speech posts, bad language ect ect. Even people in my local community page have been picking up bans left right and centre, yet are outraged at said ban, spouting free speech etc.

They seem to think they can post what they want, whenever they want without consequence when on social media, yet if they said the same in public they would quickly be shown the exit door, and possibly get a deserved, slap around the chops for good measure.

I also realise i'm in Bryan's house right now and the same rules above, apply to me here. But hopefully nobody will take my opinion personally, as that is all it is, my opinion.

Seem's anything i post lately gets reported, but i certainly don't take it personally, this is a great forum, but would become very dull quickly if we all just agreed with each other.

Flak jacket and helmet adorned.

 

[dealer wins]

Remember the great lockdown of 2018, no I dont either.

 

[colinsunderland]

Remember the great lockdown of 2018, no I dont either.View attachment 145380

are you seriously scouring the daily mail archives for ridiculous things to post now?

Some facts.

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In 2018, there were 541,589 deaths registered in England and Wales
Deaths due to dementia and Alzheimer disease continued to increase and remained the leading cause of death, accounting for 12.8% of all deaths registered.

12.8% of 541,589 is 69,323

So if there were 64000 flu related deaths in January of that year, that means there must have been less than 5000 in total for the next 11 months.

 

[cncas2123]

Well, who knew...

I’m surprised that we haven’t heard about that...

I read some of the absolute crap posted on FB.

To be honest i find it quite alarming that the amount of people who live their lives through FB and have no real concept of what's going on in the real world.

Not just with the pandemic, but everything in their lives and if something is posted on FB, it's gospel.

Even on this thread we have people posting supposed facts, yet when challenged they feel they have no need to back them up.

@slotplayer, you take the prized plum award for the video you posted, with links contradicting it. Your quite happy to post nonsense, yet clam up when questioned.

@dealer wins, i'm not even going to comment about your posts, as if you believe only half of what you rant about, your way beyond help.

@colinsunderland, i would give up. Sadly you can't educate stupid and social media will always out Trump, real facts, which is actually quite scary.

Thankfully FB have been ordered to clean up their act, with fake news, hate speech posts, bad language ect ect. Even people in my local community page have been picking up bans left right and centre, yet are outraged at said ban, spouting free speech etc.

They seem to think they can post what they want, whenever they want without consequence when on social media, yet if they said the same in public they would quickly be shown the exit door, and possibly get a deserved, slap around the chops for good measure.

I also realise i'm in Bryan's house right now and the same rules above, apply to me here. But hopefully nobody will take my opinion personally, as that is all it is, my opinion.

Seem's anything i post lately gets reported, but i certainly don't take it personally, this is a great forum, but would become very dull quickly if we all just agreed with each other.

Flak jacket and helmet adorned.

The FB thing is what confuses me most in all of these conspiracy theories, to be honest.
All the time we get the various theories about control, placing microchips in vaccines etc so that all your movement will be tracked and monitored, yet the people pushing these theories are posting every bit of their lives on FB or Instagram, what they had to eat, where they went, all their family and job connections...
If the Deep State really wanted to track all your movements, they wont have to dig too deep to find out what you are up to.

On a side note, the more people who decline to take any potential vaccine because they are from the devil himself, Bill Gates, the better for the normal people in this world who want to receive a bit of protection and the possibility of getting back to some kind of normality.

And I echo your comment to @colinsunderland - no matter how much fact you provide to some people, they are too far gone on their conspiracy theory trope that they will never be swayed.

 

[Gaz237]

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The FB thing is what confuses me most in all of these conspiracy theories, to be honest.
All the time we get the various theories about control, placing microchips in vaccines etc so that all your movement will be tracked and monitored, yet the people pushing these theories are posting every bit of their lives on FB or Instagram, what they had to eat, where they went, all their family and job connections...
If the Deep State really wanted to track all your movements, they wont have to dig too deep to find out what you are up to.

On a side note, the more people who decline to take any potential vaccine because they are from the devil himself, Bill Gates, the better for the normal people in this world who want to receive a bit of protection and the possibility of getting back to some kind of normality.

And I echo your comment to @colinsunderland - no matter how much fact you provide to some people, they are too far gone on their conspiracy theory trope that they will never be swayed.

That is one of my pet hates on the local community info page. I really don't want see a picture of your dinner clogging up my feed.

As far as i'm concerned @Playford7 is the only person who is allowed to post pics of his dinner on the internet.

 

[cncas2123]

Go on, ask me what sympathy I have for the " victim " of the dog...

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[Kroffe]

Go on, ask me what sympathy I have for the " victim " of the dog...

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Heh, when i hear the word missile this is where my mind goes.
Makes the article sound way more like an action movie.

 

[slotplayer]

I read some of the absolute crap posted on FB.

To be honest i find it quite alarming that the amount of people who live their lives through FB and have no real concept of what's going on in the real world.

Not just with the pandemic, but everything in their lives and if something is posted on FB, it's gospel.

Even on this thread we have people posting supposed facts, yet when challenged they feel they have no need to back them up.

@slotplayer, you take the prized plum award for the video you posted, with links contradicting it. Your quite happy to post nonsense, yet clam up when questioned.

@dealer wins, i'm not even going to comment about your posts, as if you believe only half of what you rant about, your way beyond help.

@colinsunderland, i would give up. Sadly you can't educate stupid and social media will always out Trump, real facts, which is actually quite scary.

Thankfully FB have been ordered to clean up their act, with fake news, hate speech posts, bad language ect ect. Even people in my local community page have been picking up bans left right and centre, yet are outraged at said ban, spouting free speech etc.

They seem to think they can post what they want, whenever they want without consequence when on social media, yet if they said the same in public they would quickly be shown the exit door, and possibly get a deserved, slap around the chops for good measure.

I also realise i'm in Bryan's house right now and the same rules above, apply to me here. But hopefully nobody will take my opinion personally, as that is all it is, my opinion.

Seem's anything i post lately gets reported, but i certainly don't take it personally, this is a great forum, but would become very dull quickly if we all just agreed with each other.

Flak jacket and helmet adorned.

No clamming up here. I just don't bother debating anymore.

 

[Steviedoo]

I read some of the absolute crap posted on FB.

To be honest i find it quite alarming that the amount of people who live their lives through FB and have no real concept of what's going on in the real world.

Not just with the pandemic, but everything in their lives and if something is posted on FB, it's gospel.

Even on this thread we have people posting supposed facts, yet when challenged they feel they have no need to back them up.

@slotplayer, you take the prized plum award for the video you posted, with links contradicting it. Your quite happy to post nonsense, yet clam up when questioned.

@dealer wins, i'm not even going to comment about your posts, as if you believe only half of what you rant about, your way beyond help.

@colinsunderland, i would give up. Sadly you can't educate stupid and social media will always out Trump, real facts, which is actually quite scary.

Thankfully FB have been ordered to clean up their act, with fake news, hate speech posts, bad language ect ect. Even people in my local community page have been picking up bans left right and centre, yet are outraged at said ban, spouting free speech etc.

They seem to think they can post what they want, whenever they want without consequence when on social media, yet if they said the same in public they would quickly be shown the exit door, and possibly get a deserved, slap around the chops for good measure.

I also realise i'm in Bryan's house right now and the same rules above, apply to me here. But hopefully nobody will take my opinion personally, as that is all it is, my opinion.

Seem's anything i post lately gets reported, but i certainly don't take it personally, this is a great forum, but would become very dull quickly if we all just agreed with each other.

Flak jacket and helmet adorned.

Spot on.
Some of them are even passive aggressive about it.

 

[Gaz237]

No clamming up here. I just don't bother debating anymore.

But your happy to continually post fake news?.

Leaves you with zero credibility, to be honest.

 

[slotplayer]

But your happy to continually post fake news?.

Leaves you with zero credibility, to be honest.

Well ignore my posts then.

 

[Gaz237]

Well ignore my posts then.

Now that's the most sensible post you have made in this thread.

 

[dealer wins]

Hancock considering forced vaccinations and "freedom passes" now. A little bit more than 3 weeks to flatten the curve dont you think. More like a serious and probably illegal erosion of our freedoms.

 

[09237653]

Quite the opposite, if enough people get vaccinated we will get all our freedoms back.

 

[colinsunderland]

Hancock considering forced vaccinations and "freedom passes" now. A little bit more than 3 weeks to flatten the curve dont you think. More like a serious and probably illegal erosion of our freedoms.

Now? Or is the the bit he mentioned a week ago just seeping through to social media now?

"We're not proposing at this stage making it mandatory," he stressed.

But, when pressed asked whether he was categorically ruling out compulsory vaccinations, Hancock said: "Honestly I've learnt not to rule things out during this pandemic because we have to watch what happens and you have to make judgments accordingly."

You going answer any of the questions I've asked you?

 

[dealer wins]

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Peer reviewed study that confirms government lockdowns/restrictions have little if any effect on mortality.

But they do destroy lifes, jobs, treatments, mental health etc on a massive scale. They are immoral IMO

 

[Borgie]

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Peer reviewed study that confirms government lockdowns/restrictions have little if any effect on mortality.

But they do destroy lifes, jobs, treatments, mental health etc on a massive scale. They are immoral IMO

What is the point. You never answer any of the questions asked of you . Just pull up something else and dump it and constantly moan .

None of us like this but just being selfish and spending energy complaining really is not helping at all.

 

[colinsunderland]

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Peer reviewed study that confirms government lockdowns/restrictions have little if any effect on mortality.

But they do destroy lifes, jobs, treatments, mental health etc on a massive scale. They are immoral IMO

Is this better than the last one you posted that you clearly hadn't even read? You know the one that specifically stated it not to be used to prove what you said it proved.

Wheres the links to Hancock's quotes you were talking about earlier?

 

[colinsunderland]

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Peer reviewed study that confirms government lockdowns/restrictions have little if any effect on mortality.

But they do destroy lifes, jobs, treatments, mental health etc on a massive scale. They are immoral IMO

Where exactly does it confirm that?

I understood most of the report, but got a little stuck on this part, could you break it down into English for me please, as you obviously understand it properly, to have read and formed the conclusions you've written.

The correlation matrix (

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) shows that the Covid-19 mortality rate is positively correlated to a group of variables composed of the inactive lifestyle (r = 0.46, p < 10−6), obesity rate (r = 0.55, p < 10−11), GDP (r = 0.40, p < 10−7), economic support index (r = 0.31, p < 10−3), life expectancy (r = 0.50, p < 10−11), burden of mortality due to CVD (r = 0.33, p < 10−3), cancer (r = 0.47, p < 10−9), and deviation from latitude 0 (r = 0.41, p < 10−3). The mortality rate due to Covid-19 is negatively correlated to another group of variables composed of the mortality rate from infectious diseases (r = −0.50, p < 10−9), the progression of life expectancy (r = −0.37, p < 10−4), longitude (r = −0.36, p < 10−3), the deviation from optimum temperature (r = −0.39, p < 10−5), UV index (r = −0.37, p < 10−43). There is no significant correlation with the deviation from optimum humidity (r = 0.03, p = 0.52), the containment and health index (r = 0.07, p = 0.51), the original stringency index (r = 0.07, p = 0.36), and population size (r = −0.05, p = 0.35). A negative correlation also relates obesity and longitude (r = −0.33, p < 10−4).

If you could break it down a bit, it would be appreciated.

 

[Kroffe]

Easy, the answer is 3.4...or bicycle.
Both are right.

 

[colinsunderland]

Dealer Wins is reading the thread, must be taking his time explaining the above.

What do people think of the 5 day free for all at Christmas that is currently being beta tested by Boris by leaking it to the press. On one hand I hope it happens, but if the 1 day of freedom = 5 days of lockdown is true, then I think we are in for a grim January.

How about normality, when do people think we might see a return to close to normal, assuming the vaccines are approved and delivered on time? I think April is possible, around Easter. Everyone won't be vaccinated by then, but the vulnerable should be and I think most restrictions will be lifted when that happens,

 

[sufferinsilence]

Dealer Wins is reading the thread, must be taking his time explaining the above.

What do people think of the 5 day free for all at Christmas that is currently being beta tested by Boris by leaking it to the press. On one hand I hope it happens, but if the 1 day of freedom = 5 days of lockdown is true, then I think we are in for a grim January.

How about normality, when do people think we might see a return to close to normal, assuming the vaccines are approved and delivered on time? I think April is possible, around Easter. Everyone won't be vaccinated by then, but the vulnerable should be and I think most restrictions will be lifted when that happens,

I'm afraid spring will be too early even tho due to seasonality the amount of infections will go down during springtime. Around summer I'd say, perhaps we'll see a smaller surge again around the same time next year depending on the amount of vaccines that have been distributed. I really hope we don't see a 3rd or 4th wave of the same proportions as this 2nd one.

 

[colinsunderland]

I'm afraid spring will be too early even tho due to seasonality the amount of infections will go down during springtime. Around summer I'd say, perhaps we'll see a smaller surge again around the same time next year depending on the amount of vaccines that have been distributed. I really hope we don't see a 3rd or 4th wave of the same proportions as this 2nd one.

Possibly, although I do think if the hospital and death rates are low, even if infections are high, and the vaccine has been administered to the vulnerable, then restrictions will be lifted.
I know the NHS are getting things in place to give the vaccine out now, although I expect it will be Jan rather than next month so hopefully they do it quickly.
There are 17.2 million people who get the flu vaccine, if we apply the same figure to those who need this one urgently, then they could all, in theory, have it in a month. We need to vaccinate 40m to get herd immunity, say another 3 months. If it starts in December as we are being told, and there are no hitches, then I think Easter is a possibility.

 

[dealer wins]

This thread shows me why the UK is on the cusp of a totalitarian government lol

 

[colinsunderland]

This thread shows me why the UK is on the cusp of a totalitarian government lol

Shows me that education has failed some people spectacularly.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

This thread shows me why the UK is on the cusp of a totalitarian government lol

I've seen you use the word 'totalitarian' more than once recently with regards to the UK government, and you either don't know what it means and are simply using it in error, or you do know what it means and are being deliberately disingenuous and/or histrionic.

Either way your statement is completely and utterly false.

Just to give you an idea, here are some of history's more infamous totalitarian leaders and regimes.

If you want to run a test, pop over to North Korea and criticise the government there as you do the UK government here, and see how that pans out for you.

 

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[mack341]

I've seen you use the word 'totalitarian' more than once recently with regards to the UK government, and you either don't know what it means and are simply using it in error, or you do know what it means and are being deliberately disingenuous and/or histrionic.

Either way your statement is completely and utterly false.

Just to give you an idea, here are some of history's more infamous totalitarian leaders and regimes.

If you want to run a test, pop over to North Korea and criticise the government there as you do the UK government here, and see how that pans out for you.

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Jonathan sumption QC former supreme court judge described it as government by decree.

“This is how freedom dies. When societies lose their liberty, it is not usually because some despot has crushed it under his boot. It is because people voluntarily surrendered their liberty out of fear of some external threat.”

And he said that the situation contains the “authentic ingredients of a totalitarian society” and “marks a move to a more authoritarian model of politics which will outlast the present crisis”.

 

[Jono777]

Doesn't really shed any further 'proof' or anything and I can't remember where I read it (and I'm only posting due to boredom + over tiredness) but I do defo recall reading from a famous person of yesteryear referring to the human race as nothing but "cattle"

I guess we're seeing proof of that now, if you look at it that way

I'm no conspiracy theorist (well apart from slots are rigged, have memories etc) but they'd have to hold me down kicking and screaming to get me to go anywhere near that "vaccine"

 

[mack341]

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[guardian article from june]

Researchers studying patients who were admitted to the Canisius Wilhelmina hospital in the Dutch city of Nijmegen have extolled the benefits of vitamin K after discovering a link between deficiency and the worst coronavirus outcomes.

Covid-19 causes blood clotting and leads to the degradation of elastic fibres in the lungs. Vitamin K, which is ingested through food and absorbed in the gastrointestinal tract, is key to the production of proteins that regulate clotting and can protect against lung disease.

“My advice would be to take those vitamin K supplements. Even if it does not help against severe Covid-19, it is good for your blood vessels, bones and probably also for the lungs.”

Janssen added: “We have [vitamin] K1 and K2. K1 is in spinach, broccoli, green vegetables, blueberries, all types of fruit and vegetables. K2 is better absorbed by the body. It is in Dutch cheese, I have to say, and French cheese as well.”

A Japanese delicacy of fermented soya beans called natto is particularly high in the second type of vitamin K and there may be cause for further studies into its health benefits, Janssen said.

“I have worked with a Japanese scientist in London and she said it was remarkable that in the regions in Japan where they eat a lot of natto, there is not a single person to die of Covid-19; so that is something to dive into, I would say.”

 

[Kroffe]

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[guardian article from june]

Researchers studying patients who were admitted to the Canisius Wilhelmina hospital in the Dutch city of Nijmegen have extolled the benefits of vitamin K after discovering a link between deficiency and the worst coronavirus outcomes.

Covid-19 causes blood clotting and leads to the degradation of elastic fibres in the lungs. Vitamin K, which is ingested through food and absorbed in the gastrointestinal tract, is key to the production of proteins that regulate clotting and can protect against lung disease.

“My advice would be to take those vitamin K supplements. Even if it does not help against severe Covid-19, it is good for your blood vessels, bones and probably also for the lungs.”

Janssen added: “We have [vitamin] K1 and K2. K1 is in spinach, broccoli, green vegetables, blueberries, all types of fruit and vegetables. K2 is better absorbed by the body. It is in Dutch cheese, I have to say, and French cheese as well.”

A Japanese delicacy of fermented soya beans called natto is particularly high in the second type of vitamin K and there may be cause for further studies into its health benefits, Janssen said.

“I have worked with a Japanese scientist in London and she said it was remarkable that in the regions in Japan where they eat a lot of natto, there is not a single person to die of Covid-19; so that is something to dive into, I would say.”

Reminds me of "the cure cant be worse than the disease"
Have you had natto?

I guess if its life or death it might be worth it...maybe.

 

[dealer wins]

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You couldnt make it up, yet we still have insidious business, job and life killing lockdowns and tiers.

 

[bowki]

So this article from MAY suggests that the lockdown actually worked? I guess that's not the point you wanted to make by posting it, right?


You couldn't make it up.

 

[cncas2123]

This is the current Oxford vaccine news, not 6 month old news that some want to post.

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And bearing in mind that most Flu vaccines are somewhere between 60 - 80% successful, this latest news is good news when you consider it can get to 90% efficacy with an increased dose/second dose and its a lot easier to distribute than the Pfizer one, hopefully by Q2 next year we will be well on the road to getting true herd immunity through vaccination.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Jonathan sumption QC former supreme court judge described it as government by decree.

“This is how freedom dies. When societies lose their liberty, it is not usually because some despot has crushed it under his boot. It is because people voluntarily surrendered their liberty out of fear of some external threat.”

And he said that the situation contains the “authentic ingredients of a totalitarian society” and “marks a move to a more authoritarian model of politics which will outlast the present crisis”.

You can certainly argue that a lot of what the Tories have pushed through the Commons in terms of legislation since the start of the pandemic is anti-democratic and deliberately intended to avoid scrutiny of decisions (awarding of PPE contracts, for example), but that doesn't mean we're 'on the cusp of a totalitarian government'.

It's amusing that when Johnson and his pals were smashing stuff up over Brexit (illegally proroguing parliament etc) it was all heartily cheered on over in the Brexit thread, but now they're allegedly doing the same sorts of things over Covid it's apparently putting us one step away from being North Korea. (I guess it's OK to smash stuff up if you happen to want that thing get smashed up too, but not OK if the thing that's being smashed up you want to be left intact.)

 

[Borgie]

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You couldnt make it up, yet we still have insidious business, job and life killing lockdowns and tiers.

Honestly how could you not check you were posting a 6 monrh old article . Bit self defeating really.

 

[mack341]

My initial thought re brexit and covid is the govt activities are incomparable on many levels, but to discuss it properly would probably involve essay type length posts, and revisiting all the brexit related events of 2016-19!

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I think in this video, the woman when asked where she was going, replied 'for a workout', is this the kind of future for citizens unwilling to be vaccinated?