Corona virus - Covid 19 discussion

[colinsunderland]

2 of my friends have had Coronavirus for just over a week now. One is 39, the other 44. Both no underlying health conditions, one gym fit, goes twice a day, he was the one who initially caught it through work (works in different hospitals servicing medical equipment). He couldn't get out of bed for 4 days, in loads of pain, just walking through to the toilet would have him gasping for breath, couldn't eat and could only sip on drinks.

The other one, again, fit, healthy, she hasn't been quite so bad, but still wouldn't be able to go out even if she were allowed. She hasn't been bed bound like him, but the slightest thing causes her to have to lay down. She mopped the kitchen floor yesterday (and they aren't big kitchens) as she thought she was feeling better on the morning, and had to go to bed and slept for 5 hours, this was after getting up at 9, washing the floor at 10.30. She was in bed at 10.45. She says she can be just sitting watching telly and suddenly feels like she is being strangled as she finds it so hard to breath. Wakes up in the night, not being able to get her breath. Both have no taste or smell.

I'm quite surprised it has affected them so badly, considering they are both perfectly healthy, and fit.

 

[sufferinsilence]

2 of my friends have had Coronavirus for just over a week now. One is 39, the other 44. Both no underlying health conditions, one gym fit, goes twice a day, he was the one who initially caught it through work (works in different hospitals servicing medical equipment). He couldn't get out of bed for 4 days, in loads of pain, just walking through to the toilet would have him gasping for breath, couldn't eat and could only sip on drinks.

The other one, again, fit, healthy, she hasn't been quite so bad, but still wouldn't be able to go out even if she were allowed. She hasn't been bed bound like him, but the slightest thing causes her to have to lay down. She mopped the kitchen floor yesterday (and they aren't big kitchens) as she thought she was feeling better on the morning, and had to go to bed and slept for 5 hours, this was after getting up at 9, washing the floor at 10.30. She was in bed at 10.45. She says she can be just sitting watching telly and suddenly feels like she is being strangled as she finds it so hard to breath. Wakes up in the night, not being able to get her breath. Both have no taste or smell.

I'm quite surprised it has affected them so badly, considering they are both perfectly healthy, and fit.

Just goes to show how very different it can be: friend of mine is 39 too and doesn't do any sport, he's overweight, smokes and drinks. He's had a mild fever and about a week of feeling very tired, had a slightly sore throat for an evening and a mild cough for 3 days or so. He said the tiredness was the worst and he had a couple of days of sleeping over 12 hours.

I still don't want it, it can have such a different outcome for anyone!

 

[Borgie]

Managed to get there in the end

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[cncas2123]

Try telling this family its only a flu and we should all be returning to normal....

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[Playford7]

Try telling this family its only a flu and we should all be returning to normal....

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As sad as this is the BBC don’t mention If they are obese, have under lying health conditions etc..

And we should be getting back to normal, this can’t continue forever.

 

[cncas2123]

As sad as this is the BBC don’t mention If they are obese, have under lying health conditions etc..

And we should be getting back to normal, this can’t continue forever.

Personally I dont think that things will return to normal until the middle of next year, but I do believe we need to do as much as possible to get new normality into society.
People need to take much more responsibility for their actions, Pubs/Restaurants/Cafes/Gyms/Hairdressers/Leisure Centres/Nail Bars/Hotels/Salons etc should be open as they proved that they could mitigate the risks of getting Covid.
Nightclubs cant open in my view until we have the vaccine, nobodies going to a nightclub to be 2 meters apart.
Sports crowds should be allowed in, but with reduced capacity.
The government needs to target the superspreader events, the house parties, the big uncontrolled gatherings. If they do that, and people are sensible with keeping good hygiene and a reasonable distance, then they should be opening up more of the economy.
Its all about being sensible, unfortunately 6 weeks ago sensibility went out the window for a lot of people and others are paying the ultimate price for this lack of control.

 

[dealer wins]

Thing is without nightclubs, young people will engage in house parties, raves and other underground fun. Im 51, but if I was 18 I would be out every night doing the same. One of my lovely neighbours who I have known for 40 years has a 21 yr old son, he is out every night, usually round a mates house for a party or just to socialise.

You will never stop young people socialising when they know it wont affect them even if they get covid.

 

[Playford7]

Personally I dont think that things will return to normal until the middle of next year, but I do believe we need to do as much as possible to get new normality into society.
People need to take much more responsibility for their actions, Pubs/Restaurants/Cafes/Gyms/Hairdressers/Leisure Centres/Nail Bars/Hotels/Salons etc should be open as they proved that they could mitigate the risks of getting Covid.
Nightclubs cant open in my view until we have the vaccine, nobodies going to a nightclub to be 2 meters apart.
Sports crowds should be allowed in, but with reduced capacity.
The government needs to target the superspreader events, the house parties, the big uncontrolled gatherings. If they do that, and people are sensible with keeping good hygiene and a reasonable distance, then they should be opening up more of the economy.
Its all about being sensible, unfortunately 6 weeks ago sensibility went out the window for a lot of people and others are paying the ultimate price for this lack of control.

Agree mate it will be spring earliest next year when we see any form of normality.

The longer it goes on the less likely people are to follow the rules, me included.

The government have made a utter dogs dinner of this and we are all now suffering.

I personally don’t think the threat justifies the means in any way at all.

Also regarding a brand new vaccine, will you be having it?

I’ll not be, no question.

My corona cooking is more dangerous haha

 

[geordiecolin]

2 of my friends have had Coronavirus for just over a week now. One is 39, the other 44. Both no underlying health conditions, one gym fit, goes twice a day, he was the one who initially caught it through work (works in different hospitals servicing medical equipment). He couldn't get out of bed for 4 days, in loads of pain, just walking through to the toilet would have him gasping for breath, couldn't eat and could only sip on drinks.

The other one, again, fit, healthy, she hasn't been quite so bad, but still wouldn't be able to go out even if she were allowed. She hasn't been bed bound like him, but the slightest thing causes her to have to lay down. She mopped the kitchen floor yesterday (and they aren't big kitchens) as she thought she was feeling better on the morning, and had to go to bed and slept for 5 hours, this was after getting up at 9, washing the floor at 10.30. She was in bed at 10.45. She says she can be just sitting watching telly and suddenly feels like she is being strangled as she finds it so hard to breath. Wakes up in the night, not being able to get her breath. Both have no taste or smell.

I'm quite surprised it has affected them so badly, considering they are both perfectly healthy, and fit.

My youngest daughter has had covid for about a week and she was shitting herself because she suffers with asthma quite badly. However she has not been too bad with it and is feeling well enough to be frustrated about not being able to go for a walk.
At my work I continue to hear horror stories about it. There is no doubt that the older you are or the more vulnerable you are the worse it can be.
One staff member still suffers a few effects such as blinding headache pains if she moves her head too quickly and that is six months on.

 

[cncas2123]

Agree mate it will be spring earliest next year when we see any form of normality.

The longer it goes on the less likely people are to follow the rules, me included.

The government have made a utter dogs dinner of this and we are all now suffering.

I personally don’t think the threat justifies the means in any way at all.

Also regarding a brand new vaccine, will you be having it?

I’ll not be, no question.

My corona cooking is more dangerous haha

I will be first in the queue if I get the chance. I get the flu vaccine every year because I have a dodgy ticker, and if they get the vaccine to the general public early next year my arm will be bare waiting for the needle.
I know the work that has gone into this, they have been running each phase of the clinical trials side by side to speed up the process, they took huge financial risks in doing that as at any stage they could have failed and had to go back to the start.
They wont be putting it out there unless they are 99.9999% certain that there will be no long term side effects from it.
And for this to have 90% efficacy is huge, most flu vaccines only have 60 - 80% effectiveness.

The big issue is the storage and transport conditions, from what I have seen it needs stored at somewhere around -70, I dont know of anywhere in the Supply Chain that has the capacity to store up to 35 Million doses at that temperature, so theres a lot of work that needs to go in to get the chain ready.

 

[geordiecolin]

I told my Manager today that if I am required to take the vaccine then I will walk.

 

[colinsunderland]

My youngest daughter has had covid for about a week and she was shitting herself because she suffers with asthma quite badly. However she has not been too bad with it and is feeling well enough to be frustrated about not being able to go for a walk.
At my work I continue to hear horror stories about it. There is no doubt that the older you are or the more vulnerable you are the worse it can be.
One staff member still suffers a few effects such as blinding headache pains if she moves her head too quickly and that is six months on.

Hope your daughter recovers quickly mate

 

[dealer wins]

I told my Manager today that if I am required to take the vaccine then I will walk.

Things like that would never stand up in court, its against the human rights act and discrimination for a start.

Its about time these laws were actually used for something good lol

 

[geordiecolin]

Hope your daughter recovers quickly mate

Thank you. I think that her "wanting to go for a walk" could be translated to her wanting to spend the bank of daddy money I sent her.
It is too early to say she is out of the woods because it appears that you don't know its over for more than a week.
I do note that they have talked about quarantine restriction times for sufferers was being considered for being reduced which suggests that it is becoming milder due to mutation

 

[geordiecolin]

Things like that would never stand up in court, its against the human rights act and discrimination for a start.

Its about time these laws were actually used for something good lol

I take all precautions and I would rather walk away from the job despite how much I love it rather than stand up for any "rights" that I think I have out of respect for those I am around at work.
Human rights should never impact others in the workplace in a detrimental way.
My personal choices are mine however

 

[geordiecolin]

Not taking away anything from the fine staff at the NHS, but they knew what the job was before they trained and signed up for it..

A ‘wobble room’ for goodness sakes...

What’s wrong with manning up or being a bad ass women and just doing your job?

A job you knew full well wasn’t emotionally easy throughout your many years of study and training..

What next a ‘wuss room’ for those in the armed forces when it gets a bit tough?..

We are breeding a generation of over sensitive and over emotional workers that should be able to rise above emotion and pressure, this is exactly why they get the respect they do as it’s not just a normal 9-5...

Covid: NHS staff helped through crisis by 'wobble room'

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I don't think that you have taken in fully what NHS staff who dealt with the virus victims and their families went through.
And by that I mean from both sides of the arguments

 

[Playford7]

Evening all in these times of pandemic and madness.

I have came to bring some sanity.

Boiled rice with lemon, and a tikka masala with hints of naga.

Few onion bhaji’s and some garlic bread as thought I had a naan in the freezer but alas it was a grave mistake.

And some of Isabelle’s ribena tonight (2 ice cubes)

Best wishes, keep safe... wash your hands and protect the NHS...

 

[slotplayer]

Is that Time Machine ready yet? Sorry!

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Sweden's daily cases per million now tracking above the UK's.

I've said this before, but it really cannot be overstated what an absolute disaster the 'Swedish Model' would have been for the UK, given our poorer underlying base health situation, higher population density, less generous support mechanisms etc.

 

[colinsunderland]

Sweden's daily cases per million now tracking above the UK's.

But how can that be, theres people on this thread who insist Sweden's model was better than ours and thats what we should have done.

 

[mack341]

Does this current difference mean anything, that it could be achieved with no mask mandate or uk lockdown?

"Death rate in Sweden yesterday under no lockdown around 10; UK yesterday well over 500 under lockdown. Ok UK has x6 population of Sweden but even so, do the Math "

^ This is off twitter in reply to piers moron, unable to separate the tweets, and I'm not posting anything from that slug

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Sweden were behind us on the curve, so there'll be a lag in the deaths. Plus as previously covered, Swedes have better overall health than Brits and fewer risk factors when it comes to Covid killing them.

 

[mack341]

Sweden were behind us on the curve, so there'll be a lag in the deaths. Plus as previously covered, Swedes have better overall health than Brits and fewer risk factors when it comes to Covid killing them.

I don't disagree that the swedes have better baseline health on average, and some of the other factors will play a part. But you'd have to make those comparisons with other countries on mainland europe too, not just the uk, to determine how much difference they make.

edit: Also the collateral damage has not be calculated, and likely will continue for several years for the uk, suicides and mental health problems increasing, missed tests/treatment for cancer and other illnesses. This is a key point uk lockdown proponents seem to overlook, as if it doesn't exist.

 

[Borgie]

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[dealer wins]

I don't disagree that the swedes have better baseline health on average, and some of the other factors will play a part. But you'd have to make those comparisons with other countries on mainland europe too, not just the uk, to determine how much difference they make.

edit: Also the collateral damage has not be calculated, and likely will continue for several years for the uk, suicides and mental health problems increasing, missed tests/treatment for cancer and other illnesses. This is a key point uk lockdown proponents seem to overlook, as if it doesn't exist.

Yes, and this "minor" detail will kill 10 times a many people than covid did, and put millions of people out of work. Lockdown will be judged in the years to come as the biggest mistake this country has ever made.

 

[Jono777]

Unsure what it is like in your local area guys n gals but here it is like nothing has changed since Boris re locked us last week.

Roads are busier than usual if anything, maskless gatherings outside the schools (not that there is any point to the masks anyway), shops allowing large volumes in all at once, kids loitering in streets, - almost seems as if Boris said "right, covid is gone, go back to normal"

I for one who was paranoid as fuck during the initial announcement / first lock down and going way OTT with being careful have gone from as I describe to just staying away from others (which I always did anyway lol ) - Had enough as I suspect and witness thousands of others have also.

 

[colinsunderland]

Yes, and this "minor" detail will kill 10 times a many people than covid did, and put millions of people out of work. Lockdown will be judged in the years to come as the biggest mistake this country has ever made.

Is that because Sweden has done so much better, or as thats clearly wrong, have you changed that narrative?
What are you basing 500,000 people dying from the lockdown on? Can you give a link to some credible research showing it? Figures I've seen banded about vary from a few thousand to over a million.
Almost every country in the world, who had figures anywhere near ours, did some sort of lockdown, so it's not just the UK.

Unsure what it is like in your local area guys n gals but here it is like nothing has changed since Boris re locked us last week.

Roads are busier than usual if anything, maskless gatherings outside the schools (not that there is any point to the masks anyway), shops allowing large volumes in all at once, kids loitering in streets, - almost seems as if Boris said "right, covid is gone, go back to normal"

I for one who was paranoid as fuck during the initial announcement / first lock down and going way OTT with being careful have gone from as I describe to just staying away from others (which I always did anyway lol ) - Had enough as I suspect and witness thousands of others have also.

It's pretty much the same here. Roads are no different to normal days, in fact I would say Sunday's are busier. The beach is busier than I've ever seen it. I was talking to the owner of a cafe on the seafront yesterday and she said they had took more over the past week than they had for the whole month previously.

Granddaughter's school is ok, people do seem to be keeping their distance, no masks, but then you don't have to wear them so thats not surprising, most large shops do have security back on the doors, and most small shops are limiting customers, however it seems a lot of shops are open that it would certainly be a stretch to class as essential, like Vape shops (not all, but some are), mobile phone repair shops, things like that, none of which opened last time.

I'm not quite as careful as last time, but still annoys the fuck out of me when people deliberately get too close, like the bloke today who lent in front of me to get some milk, so he got told straight.

 

[shadow123]

As with all vaccines its down to personal choice whether you accept one (bearing in mind you may be barred
from some jobs and holiday destinations if you dont )but we really should take into account the amount
of hard work by very clever people and the tremendous amount of financial risk companies have put into
producing covid vaccines.That it could be done at all is a miracle and within the timescale unbelievable.
I for one will be very grateful to get one and get this hell over with.

 

[paul7388]

As with all vaccines its down to personal choice whether you accept one (bearing in mind you may be barred
from some jobs and holiday destinations if you dont )but we really should take into account the amount
of hard work by very clever people and the tremendous amount of financial risk companies have put into
producing covid vaccines.That it could be done at all is a miracle and within the timescale unbelievable.
I for one will be very grateful to get one and get this hell over with.

But it is a rushed vaccine. Might be safe but no way anyone will know if it will cause any serious side effects at a later date.

 

[colinsunderland]

But it is a rushed vaccine. Might be safe but no way anyone will know if it will cause any serious side effects at a later date.

My understanding is that, because of the type of vaccine it is (something to do with it having the same genetic information as Covid-19 rather than using dead/weak Covid-19 virus cells) then its almost certain not to have any after effects. I don't know that much about it though, so happy to be corrected if thats wrong.
I don't think they have tested it on old people though, who vaccines tend to be less effective on.

 

[mack341]

If you work out the deaths on a year's lost basis [which is how I believe disease experts/epidemiologists do it] then I don't think 10 times is that far fetched a prediction.

Bearing in mind also that the average age of death with covid is 82, the average lifespan in the uk is about 81.

The govt should have also by now sent the elderly vit D tablets, as those stuck indoors in care homes unlikely get much sun exposure.

According to a daily telegraph article, reposted by yahoo, they will from december:

From next month, vitamin D supplements will be delivered to more than two million clinically extremely vulnerable people along with all care home residents, across England. The supplies are intended to last throughout the winter, when the NHS already recommends that people should consider taking the vitamin.

A senior Government source said: "We are going to make sure those most in need of vitamin D can access a free supply over the winter months. Some studies suggest Vitamin D supplementation could have a positive impact for people suffering with Covid-19."

Better late than never I guess.

 

[cncas2123]

My understanding is that, because of the type of vaccine it is (something to do with it having the same genetic information as Covid-19 rather than using dead/weak Covid-19 virus cells) then its almost certain not to have any after effects. I don't know that much about it though, so happy to be corrected if thats wrong.
I don't think they have tested it on old people though, who vaccines tend to be less effective on.

Not sure of the numbers, but there were over 70's involved in the trial. With the data thats coming through it looks like it has a relatively high success rate in the over 70's age group.

 

[Playford7]

Yeah not for me a vaccine for a sweet n sour virus, knock yourselves out however whom want it.

 

[interlog]

most large shops do have security back on the doors, and most small shops are limiting customers, however it seems a lot of shops are open that it would certainly be a stretch to class as essential, like Vape shops (not all, but some are), mobile phone repair shops, things like that, none of which opened last time.

I noticed that quite a few shops that were closed last time got a little clever and now have a little section selling food, I guess so that they can now say they sell essential products.

 

[Playford7]

I noticed that quite a few shops that were closed last time got a little clever and now have a little section selling food, I guess so that they can now say they sell essential products.

Good on them.

 

[dealer wins]

The good thing about moaning mask wearers berating everyone else for not wearing one etc, once they have their Hancock juice injected they need not worry about that anymore, as if it works they will be immune, and also wont be able to spread covid, so they can get off their high horse lol

 

[Kroffe]

From what ive seen (mostly the US) its not the mask wearers doing most of the moaning.
Maybe its different in the UK.
=)

 

[Playford7]

From what ive seen (mostly the US) its not the mask wearers doing most of the moaning.
Maybe its different in the UK.
=)

Who is it?

 

[Kroffe]

Who is it?

Mostly people claiming they dont get enough oxygen if they have to wear a mask.
That it goes against their freedom etc.

These kinds.

 

[mack341]

I wonder if I choose not to have a shot how that impacts on the eldery people in my circle if they do, given they're quoting a 90% protection success rate?

I've read, but never fully understood, for vaccines to be effective everyone has to be vaccinated, but then the flu shot isn't mandatory.

 

[Playford7]

Mostly people claiming they dont get enough oxygen if they have to wear a mask.
That it goes against their freedom etc.

These kinds.

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It is there choice.

People can disagree on whatever they feel they don’t agree with.

 

[Kroffe]

It is there choice.

People can disagree on whatever they feel they don’t agree with.

Yeah, my point was more about how the majority of the moaning seems to come from the non-maskers rather than the maskers.

Sidenote: Mask is the Swedish word for worm. =)

 

[mack341]

Yeah, my point was more about how the majority of the moaning seems to come from the non-maskers rather than the maskers.

Sidenote: Mask is the Swedish word for worm. =)

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Kroffe as a mask enthusiast [not the swedish worm type ] have you been wearing one to your local shops etc..?

 

[Kroffe]

Kroffe as a mask enthusiast [not the swedish worm type ] have you been wearing one to your local shops etc..?

Hah, shops...plural.
We only have one here where i live.
And no, i dont. But i would if they (shopowners) told me to.

Not sure its a fair comparison since we have literally 0 cases where i live, and its always been 0.
We are born with social distancing in our blood.

 

[Kroffe]

Oh, and im also a fan of the worm-type mask.
Great when fishing.
=)

 

[Playford7]

Hah, shops...plural.
We only have one here where i live.
And no, i dont. But i would if they (shopowners) told me to.

Not sure its a fair comparison since we have literally 0 cases where i live, and its always been 0.
We are born with social distancing in our blood.

Envy where you live.
Wanna do a house swop For a month? Middlesbrough is shit, but you get sox for a month..
Deal?

 

[dionysus]

I've never found it any kind of big deal; I bring mine and wear it in any shop

 

[Kroffe]

In västerbotten there has been about 2270 cases.
Think theres 270k living here.

Round my parts its always been 0 so far.

 

[Kroffe]

Envy where you live.
Wanna do a house swop For a month? Middlesbrough is shit, but you get sox for a month..
Deal?

I recall getting screwed last time i was trying to get ahold of your dog.
Also, you would regret not bringing it here.
Lots of forest to roam around in. =)

 

[dionysus]

I recall getting screwed last time i was trying to get ahold of your dog.
Also, you would regret not bringing it here.
Lots of forest to roam around in. =)

I'll leave mine home then
The breed trees bear