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Don Lemon calls everyone a racist almost every night. He's the one soaking the division.
He said last night he had to dump all his Trump supporting friends.
I could go on but I don't want to derail the Covid thread.
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Don Lemon calls everyone a racist almost every night. He's the one soaking the division.
He said last night he had to dump all his Trump supporting friends.
I could go on but I don't want to derail the Covid thread.
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Sadly a lot make a living off touting racism.. it’s pretty shameful.
not to worry my corona cooking is from many cultures that I’ll be showing later, that will bridge the divide.
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I am semi retired due to health problems, not sure why you asking but i do appreciate everyone has a different
perspective dictated by their personal situations, having said that it doesnt alter the black and white fact
that we are heading for a dire situation and the only sure fire way of reducing the infections is a lockdown.
I did say that the country will be fucked financially by a second lockdown,and I can understand why you are pissed off.
I am semi retired due to health problems, not sure why you asking but i do appreciate everyone has a different
perspective dictated by their personal situations, having said that it doesnt alter the black and white fact
that we are heading for a dire situation and the only sure fire way of reducing the infections is a lockdown.
I did say that the country will be fucked financially by a second lockdown,and I can understand why you are pissed off.
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Well.... This has happened before, the Spanish Flu in 1918 was (mis)handled the same way as the coronavirus is now. During the first wave people listened to the government, then the second wave came around and a bunch of people decided they didn't believe in "it" anymore. The result was more sick and dead people than the first time around. The good news is that after a third, smaller, wave it was over.
Then there's the fact that Asian countries like Japan and South Korea who know all about these threaths know how to handle this situation and not once have we taken note during SARS it seems. It was just a matter of time before we had another real threat coming over to the Western world.
Blame China all you want but they contained this shit in a month or 2 and their economy is up and running since a long time without much restrictions. Meanwhile we are ruining our economy and no, it's not because of lockdowns, but because we didn't dare to take appropriate measures during and after the first wave. I hope our governments have learned from this mistake instead of opening up too soon because fuck knows what those that "don't believe in it" come up with this time.
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What was it I asked you mate?
im well aware of your Past circumstances and I can assure you hand on heart anything I may of said wasn’t directed at you. You have my word on that
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Its great China where so honest about it from the get go, I’m so happy they are now thriving again as my friends and family lose lots due to there nonsense.
And with respect you can’t compare a government from 1918 to a modern day western government in 2020...
Asian countries as @Harry_BKK said managed to deal with this piffle superbly, he was bang on the money.
Yet the west barring maybe a few have made a utter farce of this pandemic.
again I agree totally we should of had a hardcore lockdown at the start, 100% agree on this.
but we didn’t...
Now it’s just frankly laughable, tiers and circuit breakers, fire breaks and BS
it’s no wonder people are fed up and have had enough of this, bearing in mind Covid is about as deadly as my daughters imaginary pet unicorn (for the mass majority)
also ‘don’t believe in it’ I’ve never once uttered such BS, it’s very real.
just the hysteria and over reaction have made it lose it’s worth...IMO
hope you’re good, corona cooking soon
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You said nothing i would take offence at,you asked if a) if i worked and b) dunno you never said what that was
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I’m really sorry, genuinely messed up there.You said nothing i would take offence at,you asked if a) if i worked and b) dunno you never said what that was
As said I’m aware and I’d never be so thoughtless usually mate.
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Chill , no worries
Its good people have different views,thats what forums are about, be very boring if we all agreed
Its good people have different views,thats what forums are about, be very boring if we all agreed
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Sorry, just so I can edit it mate where did I say this? If I’d been drinking I’d have a excuse, but had 3 dr peppers this evening.You said nothing i would take offence at,you asked if a) if i worked and b) dunno you never said what that was
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Its great China where so honest about it from the get go, I’m so happy they are now thriving again as my friends and family lose lots due to there nonsense.
And with respect you can’t compare a government from 1918 to a modern day western government in 2020...
Asian countries as @Harry_BKK said managed to deal with this piffle superbly, he was bang on the money.
Yet the west barring maybe a few have made a utter farce of this pandemic.
again I agree totally we should of had a hardcore lockdown at the start, 100% agree on this.
but we didn’t...
Now it’s just frankly laughable, tiers and circuit breakers, fire breaks and BS
it’s no wonder people are fed up and have had enough of this, bearing in mind Covid is about as deadly as my daughters imaginary pet unicorn (for the mass majority)
also ‘don’t believe in it’ I’ve never once uttered such BS, it’s very real.
just the hysteria and over reaction have made it lose it’s worth...IMO
hope you’re good, corona cooking soon
Damn right you can't compare 1918 to 2020 which is why you expect better disaster management from our governments nowadays. After all there's so much more resources available and 100 years of learning how to handle an epidemic.
There was always going to be a second lockdown because we were happy with a baseline of x amount of infections during summer, the time when we should've aimed to be as close to 0 as possible instead of holidaying in Greece and Spain.
Covid might not be as deadly but it's threatening to overwhelm the Western healthcare systems, something that has been explained over and over but doesn't seem to click. I really hope it doesn't happen on a large scale basis.
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When the NHS are overwhelmed and The nightingales are actually used then I’ll listen.
Also not a chance it’ll happen large scale.
As said before the nightingales where not needed and the NHS was fine..
Far too much media scaremongering.
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Floccinaucinihilipilification
the use of stats, estimation and guessing are worthless..
that’s basically what we are given... useless estimates that bare no fruit nor are even close to the reality.
as said this is just my opinion, a knuckle dragging scaffolder..
I just can’t accept the measure in place as know so many losing it all due to measures that are worthless and solve nothing, all for a bug that won’t affect the majority anyways...
anyhow going to watch a horror film and chill and eat some junk food.
the use of stats, estimation and guessing are worthless..
that’s basically what we are given... useless estimates that bare no fruit nor are even close to the reality.
as said this is just my opinion, a knuckle dragging scaffolder..
I just can’t accept the measure in place as know so many losing it all due to measures that are worthless and solve nothing, all for a bug that won’t affect the majority anyways...
anyhow going to watch a horror film and chill and eat some junk food.
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When they're overwhelmed it's too late
Anyway, as I've said earlier in this thread both sides of this conversation just want the same thing: let's get back to normal asap! It's just that the way we go back to normal is something we don't fully agree on.
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Totally agree with you.When they're overwhelmed it's too late
Anyway, as I've said earlier in this thread both sides of this conversation just want the same thing: let's get back to normal asap! It's just that the way we go back to normal is something we don't fully agree on.
End of the day we all want each other happy and as we where previously, bickering (I’m well guilty of it) about the what’s the where’s and should of been’s’ is futile.
just want normality for us all, work and enjoy our kids, holidays and Xmas etc..
sorry if I came across a dick, I’m just pissed off with all of this like i imagine we all are mate.
no hard feelings
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You didn't, no worries. A healthy debate a day keeps the doctor away, right?
I hope that the situation is much better by the holiday season!
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The problem with the Nightingale hospitals is that they don't have the staff to run then.
If they had been used during the first wave, then they would have been used for end of life care as they didn't have the staff available for treatment, they have trained more up now, but, certainly going from what I know about my local trust, they still don't have enough to fully staff the one up here.
It may be different in other areas, but I'm fairly sure the problem is the same countrywide.
If they had been used during the first wave, then they would have been used for end of life care as they didn't have the staff available for treatment, they have trained more up now, but, certainly going from what I know about my local trust, they still don't have enough to fully staff the one up here.
It may be different in other areas, but I'm fairly sure the problem is the same countrywide.
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A few calories tonight.. look away if you have a nervous disposition..
half a stuffed crust 4 cheese pizza, the other pizza is buffalo chicken and bacon...
some onion rings..
And bbq ribs...
drink is blackcurrent with ice..
a garlic and herb dip and bbq dip also at the ready for crust reasons!..
half a stuffed crust 4 cheese pizza, the other pizza is buffalo chicken and bacon...
some onion rings..
And bbq ribs...
drink is blackcurrent with ice..
a garlic and herb dip and bbq dip also at the ready for crust reasons!..
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Why ram Brexit into your post? This has nothing to do with Brexit and, more pertinently, a lot of major European countries are doing significantly worse than we are with this virus. It's running rampant all across Europe.
I'd also be mightily shocked if the US didn't have a lower case rate per million, considering population density and demographics.
Must be mighty high up on that horse of yours? Your post comes across as condescending to anyone who supports Brexit and fundamentally partisan.
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If anyone is still wondering why most countries don't want their population to catch the virus, this is probably one of the most important reasons. Research is still being done on what actually happens afterwards. People who've gone through the illness might keep on costing healthcare and social security a shitload of money. Not that great for the economy.
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Brexit is related because Johnson and his government's approach to Brexit instructs their approach to Covid. They know how to campaign, they don't know how to govern.
They are governance by soundbite, sloganeering and 'optimism', which got them some distance with Brexit (although the wheels are well and truly falling off that wagon now), but that works less well with an invisible microscopic virus.
They had the summer to fix test, trace and isolate. They failed. They threw £12bn at their mates in companies such as Serco, who trousered the cash and delivered a big pile of shite.
The only way out of this now is a vaccine, but even if that does appear in the next few months, Brexit is going to happen and with or without a deal, that's going to hurt as well.
However, I am mindful that there's a whole separate Brexit thread so I'll leave it here, but I do want to make the point that the two topics are related, these things don't exist in complete isolation from each other.
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This message is a prime example of why you will not hear any complaints of there being a second lock down from me.
Copied from a Dr in infection diseases
I generally avoid posting about covid but this morning I’m losing my rag. It’s interesting how all those saying we should drop all restrictions and let the virus ‘run it’s course’ aren’t any of the people who would have to actually deal with the outcome of that. It’d be a bit like me suggesting we drop all support for businesses or scrap furlough (I don’t know what I’m talking about and it wouldn’t affect me directly but here I am with my opinions).
The unfortunate fact is that the nhs is overwhelmed every year by an ‘ordinary’ winter. Every year patients line up in corridors and those of us trying to look after them are run ragged. Posting numerous (dubious) stats about how ‘low’ Covid numbers are is irrelevant. On any given day in winter an extra 10-15 admissions could break us (and cause some of those patients in the corridor to die unnecessarily). Flu dosnt kill more people than Covid - those of you posting that just don’t understand how death certificates work (but don’t let that stop you).
Lockdown served a purpose (for the nhs at least). It bought us a bit of time to figure out how to recognise and treat a disease none of us had ever seen before. We know what we are doing now (mostly) and we’re doing a pretty decent job. If we had unlimited beds/staff I might say let’s just crack on, protect the vulnerable and we’ll manage anyone else who gets it.
Unfortunately hospital beds are now getting full of all our usual winter stuff so there really isn’t anywhere for the hundreds of extra patients who would need a hospital bed to go (or the staff to treat them). Those of you who like your stats know Covid-19 is generally a survivable infection (one of the few things I see posted that’s actually correct). It is. As an illness on its own it shouldn’t scare you. The problem is that for those requiring medical assistance or hospital admission to get them through it (up to 20%) you’re going to need there to be a free bed and some staff with more than 20 seconds to spare to keep those survival statistics where they are. Likewise if you’re unfortunate enough to need a ventilator you’re going to want there to be one spare (and as most ITU ventilators are now taken by regular patients it won’t take more than a couple of weeks of ‘letting the virus run’ before that’s not an option for you). Before you say ‘but I’m only 30 the likelihood of me needing a ventilator if I get Covid is minuscule’ - you’re right it is. What about if you have a car accident or fall over drunk and bang your head? If the ventilators are all full they’re full. It’s not all about Covid death rates.
Yes it’s largely a virus that attacks older and vulnerable people but let’s look beyond the stats at the actual people it’s affecting - my parents are in their 70s and I quite like them. I resent the idea that older people are expendable (I also need them to mind my kids). It’s also still a very unpredictable virus. We see high risk 80 year olds walk out of hospital and sometimes seemingly low risk 50 year olds never leave (and that was in April when we had more beds and time to give them). ‘Long Covid’ is a thing - prolonged symptoms in often younger patients who may have had a relatively mild illness. It’ll cost the NHS and the economy millions over years to come and in my opinion we are only seeing the tip of the iceberg.
There’s so much we still don’t know. I’ve lived (and breathed!) Covid since February and I don’t consider myself an ‘expert’ by any stretch (yet its interesting how many Facebook ‘experts’ there are).
So what can we do to get through this winter? Open more beds? Great, but who will staff them - nursing shortages are worse than ever and both doctors and nurses are leaving the nhs in droves (thank you Tories). Shall we pull doctors and nurses away from ‘less essential’ areas then? We did that in April, it helped a bit. The problem is ‘non essential’ things become essential if you leave them long enough and dermatologists are a bit shit at intubating. Shall we make all the nhs staff work more hours? We did that from March-June and everyone is exhausted. The thought of going into one of our worst winters already exhausted from the Spring is crippling some staff mentally already. Winter in the nhs can be hell at the best of times. It’s no exaggeration to say we barely cope most years (in reality we cope by working a significant amount of unpaid over time, never taking breaks and drinking too much).
So that leaves us with doing what we can to slow transmission a bit and keep numbers ‘manageable’ for the hospitals until we have a vaccine (I’ll save my rants about anti-vaxxers for another day). Masks, avoiding large gatherings (and by large I mean hundreds not family Sunday lunches!) and simple things like staying at your table in the pub do make sense. Self isolating if you’ve had close contact with a known case does make sense. If we don’t manage numbers somehow it won’t just be Covid killing people this winter - it’ll be anything landing you in an overloaded, understaffed hospital.
Copied from a Dr in infection diseases
I generally avoid posting about covid but this morning I’m losing my rag. It’s interesting how all those saying we should drop all restrictions and let the virus ‘run it’s course’ aren’t any of the people who would have to actually deal with the outcome of that. It’d be a bit like me suggesting we drop all support for businesses or scrap furlough (I don’t know what I’m talking about and it wouldn’t affect me directly but here I am with my opinions).
The unfortunate fact is that the nhs is overwhelmed every year by an ‘ordinary’ winter. Every year patients line up in corridors and those of us trying to look after them are run ragged. Posting numerous (dubious) stats about how ‘low’ Covid numbers are is irrelevant. On any given day in winter an extra 10-15 admissions could break us (and cause some of those patients in the corridor to die unnecessarily). Flu dosnt kill more people than Covid - those of you posting that just don’t understand how death certificates work (but don’t let that stop you).
Lockdown served a purpose (for the nhs at least). It bought us a bit of time to figure out how to recognise and treat a disease none of us had ever seen before. We know what we are doing now (mostly) and we’re doing a pretty decent job. If we had unlimited beds/staff I might say let’s just crack on, protect the vulnerable and we’ll manage anyone else who gets it.
Unfortunately hospital beds are now getting full of all our usual winter stuff so there really isn’t anywhere for the hundreds of extra patients who would need a hospital bed to go (or the staff to treat them). Those of you who like your stats know Covid-19 is generally a survivable infection (one of the few things I see posted that’s actually correct). It is. As an illness on its own it shouldn’t scare you. The problem is that for those requiring medical assistance or hospital admission to get them through it (up to 20%) you’re going to need there to be a free bed and some staff with more than 20 seconds to spare to keep those survival statistics where they are. Likewise if you’re unfortunate enough to need a ventilator you’re going to want there to be one spare (and as most ITU ventilators are now taken by regular patients it won’t take more than a couple of weeks of ‘letting the virus run’ before that’s not an option for you). Before you say ‘but I’m only 30 the likelihood of me needing a ventilator if I get Covid is minuscule’ - you’re right it is. What about if you have a car accident or fall over drunk and bang your head? If the ventilators are all full they’re full. It’s not all about Covid death rates.
Yes it’s largely a virus that attacks older and vulnerable people but let’s look beyond the stats at the actual people it’s affecting - my parents are in their 70s and I quite like them. I resent the idea that older people are expendable (I also need them to mind my kids). It’s also still a very unpredictable virus. We see high risk 80 year olds walk out of hospital and sometimes seemingly low risk 50 year olds never leave (and that was in April when we had more beds and time to give them). ‘Long Covid’ is a thing - prolonged symptoms in often younger patients who may have had a relatively mild illness. It’ll cost the NHS and the economy millions over years to come and in my opinion we are only seeing the tip of the iceberg.
There’s so much we still don’t know. I’ve lived (and breathed!) Covid since February and I don’t consider myself an ‘expert’ by any stretch (yet its interesting how many Facebook ‘experts’ there are).
So what can we do to get through this winter? Open more beds? Great, but who will staff them - nursing shortages are worse than ever and both doctors and nurses are leaving the nhs in droves (thank you Tories). Shall we pull doctors and nurses away from ‘less essential’ areas then? We did that in April, it helped a bit. The problem is ‘non essential’ things become essential if you leave them long enough and dermatologists are a bit shit at intubating. Shall we make all the nhs staff work more hours? We did that from March-June and everyone is exhausted. The thought of going into one of our worst winters already exhausted from the Spring is crippling some staff mentally already. Winter in the nhs can be hell at the best of times. It’s no exaggeration to say we barely cope most years (in reality we cope by working a significant amount of unpaid over time, never taking breaks and drinking too much).
So that leaves us with doing what we can to slow transmission a bit and keep numbers ‘manageable’ for the hospitals until we have a vaccine (I’ll save my rants about anti-vaxxers for another day). Masks, avoiding large gatherings (and by large I mean hundreds not family Sunday lunches!) and simple things like staying at your table in the pub do make sense. Self isolating if you’ve had close contact with a known case does make sense. If we don’t manage numbers somehow it won’t just be Covid killing people this winter - it’ll be anything landing you in an overloaded, understaffed hospital.
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Because the brexit con is the reason we have these criminals in charge.
and their main priority with covid has been corruption.
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I await with the interest the resident Casinomeister Covid Expert Team to refute that point by point with their own evidence, observations and experience.
(I mean, that guy's just an infectious disease doctor who's been working with the disease all year, what does he know?)
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Thank you.
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So no one should bother posting an opinion unless they are an infectious disease doctor?
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The last paragraph I wouldn't disagree with:
So that leaves us with doing what we can to slow transmission a bit and keep numbers ‘manageable’ for the hospitals until we have a vaccine. Masks, avoiding large gatherings (and by large I mean hundreds not family Sunday lunches!) and simple things like staying at your table in the pub do make sense. Self isolating if you’ve had close contact with a known case does make sense
I cannot see any express approval for the kind of lockdown boris and his govt are now re-introducing, afaik boris is closing all non-essential things like pubs; though probably kfc and mcdonalds takeaway are still going to be classed as essential. Restricting households from meeting other relatives indoors [when it's winter]
No points on the PCR test issues, collateral damage etc...
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are kfc and McDonald’s only take away?
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well they tend to be both, but I heard bojo mention takeaway is okay, so I'm guessing the busy ones will keep the takeaway part open and tape off the tables. [some have a drive thru too]
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Here's the thing mack, there are some topics where I don't give a single flying fig what someone's opinion is.
If someone said, 'I'm of the opinion that the moon is made of cheese, prove me wrong, have you ever been to the moon? The moon landings were faked by the way, just my opinion' - then I don't really care to hear any more of that person's 'opinions'.
Having an opinion about most stuff is fine, there's a lot in this world is partly, mostly, or entirely subjective, but when we get to observable facts that can be proven with evidence and data, then it stops being a matter of opinion, and potentially becomes a monument to ignorance and stupidity.
Now let me be clear, I am not calling anyone here stupid or ignorant, however I honestly think that when it comes to some aspects of the debate around Covid-19, we're getting perilously close to some folks denying objective reality, an objective reality that has the substantial weight of science behind it.
Single example, this whole position of 'Just let the people who want to get on with life do so, the rest can shield or stay locked down' - that has now been shown to be an utter (and lethal) fallacy on so many levels, and a course of action that would genuinely and literally cause the NHS to stop functioning before the end of the year, that I am nearing the limit of my ability to remain on the correct side of patient civility with it. (And the endless false equivalence with 'Why can't we do what Sweden did' or just flat out failing to understand what Sweden has actually done.)
See also, herd immunity.
There are many, many things to get annoyed about when it comes to Covid-19, but some people are astonishingly adept at identifying all the wrong targets.
So if anyone has a fact-based, evidence-led rebuttal to the points made by the infectious disease doctor listed above, I'm more than happy to hear them. But 'in my opinion he's wrong' doesn't count.
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Mack mate the main difference for me between the first and this lock down is its timing. Every winter our NHS struggles. The last lock down was in Spring/early summer. This time we are approaching Winter and no matter what reservations there may be we can not play politics or take risks when it comes to the NHS capacity or peoples lives.
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A long post with many points that could be discussed, but focusing on two in the time I have atm. Most of my posts are linked to data and also points raised by scientists, some of the charts and graphs I see on twitter would just be too complicated and heavy for a forum discussion, but it would be more evidence and data.
Who honestly can say they fully understood those charts whitty and valance used last night? And they are in charge of advising the govt response
I had some graphic to hand regarding the functioning of the NHS through this year, how many tests and operations they were now behind on, if I can find it again I will post it, but it is shocking and something left wing people [ edit: who tend to want these lock downs and agree with bojo doing it] should be up in arms about frankly.
So I too am at the edge of my civility, but I will always stick to the points I wish to make unless someone takes things down onto a personal level of digs and insults.
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Maybe you are right Chopley.
But here are a few reasons people are not taking it as serious as you wish they would. And i am not saying these are my opinions.
Back in March when Lockdown first occurred we were told how many Hundreds of thousands would be killed by this disease. We had all the extra hospitals built. But here we are 8 months in and the figure of deaths from Coronavirus in UK is still less than 50,000. The Flu a few years ago had more excess deaths than that in 3 months.
Also it is Okay saying Scientists know best. But here is the thing. All the experts admit they still do not know enough about the virus to know exactly what will happen.
And people lose patience and doubt when the experts change their minds all the time.
Take just a few weeks ago. Using the Scientific advice Sturgeon came out and said no need to shut pubs in Glasgow as Scientists say no proof virus is spreading in them. Even tho pubs in Aberdeen were closed as thats where virus was spreading. Now any idiot could tell you that obviously it spreads in pubs.
Now that was the Scientists and Chief Medical advisor telling her that. And then couple weeks later guess what they figured out virus was spreading in Glasgow pubs so shut them. Now how the hell could an expert say a few weeks before no evidence when everyone could tell what would happen.
People might be wrong to doubt how serious this virus is. But again you have stated opinions do not matter only facts. Sorry but these experts are guessing at worst case scenarios at the moment. Maybe they are right to be cautious. But until what they predict might happen actually happens then it is only their opinions and guesses not proven facts.
Now feel free to ridicule all you wish.
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How would it work tho in a family who, for example, has their grandmother living in with them? Would the kids have to skip school or should they lock down? What about the breadwinners of the family? Should they still go to work, because when live goes on as usual most companies will be open and running at 100%, or stay home and risk being laid off?
It's never a black and white situation, there's alot of grey inbetween. I could post my personal situation in detail but that would just leave me vulnerable to personal attacks I guess. I prefer a lockdown so I can try and stay healthy without having to fear every day the person I live with has to be on a full train going to a full office.
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That is the thing at moment schools. Now probably biggest spreader of this virus is schools. Yet we are now being told that country could be locked down for months yet schools will be getting kept open.
I know how much damage it is doing to kids not being at school. But to come out telling everyone how they need to lockdown to save lives etc. yet keep kids at school confuses most people.
Lockdown schools. put a curfew in place if must be. Lockdown whole country for a month and maybe they will control the virus. But people are pissed off losing jobs etc. to protect a country when all schools are open. It looks like people are making sacrifices for nothing.
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Yep, schools are the motor of this second wave. There's absolutely no doubt in my mind about that! You could see the numbers starting to shoot up once schools and universities started, yet they waited 6-8 weeks before actually doing something. "Something" I say because the only thing that's being done right now, in Belgium I might add, is prolonging the autumn vacation that's usually only a week to 2 weeks. I don't think that's enough and most of them will be closed for a longer time.
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I don't know why we couldn't have carried on with the measures we had in place, perhaps with more messages for the elderly to take [or be helped] more precautions, we need to get some separation in the nhs hospitals so patients aren't mixing. I am in favour of requisitioning any spare capacity/facilities/nurses from the private sector.
The PCR test issues are a big part of the figures at the moment, those tests were not used in spring anywhere near the numbers now. They are contaminating the statistics imo along with the 28 day rule for recording covid deaths.
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Like I posted here the other day: we should've taken some lessons from Asian countries.
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Harry mentioned this the other day and I totally agreed with him on this.
Not sure why those country’s managed to grasp how to deal with the kung flu and the west has made such a arse about tit monumental bumfluffary of it.
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Brilliant news!!!! Absolutely will be behind this, it may be the kick start sir farage needed.
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Hmmm maybe he'll do better than the other seven times he tried and failed to become an MP, including the occasion he got beaten by a bloke dressed as a dolphin.
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Dolphins are well liked... never underestimate a dolphin.
And yes he’s failed, but has he really?
His stance last election put a nail in the Labour Party and took many a seat away (master stroke)
He’s also the man to get us out of the EU...
So it’s job done from his perspective.
Will his party stand a chance, we both know it won’t, but it’ll drum up enough sentiment to make it a worthwhile proposition.
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I hope Nige gets cracking, if all this Klaus schwab 'great reset/new normal' stuff turns out to be unpopular then we need political alternatives at the ballot box, too long there has been a cosy arrangement in uk politics when push comes to shove.
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Mince and dumplings, yes i know it’s far from Michelin star standard presentation wise.
But it’s a traditional winter warmer, a true british dish, the bloody EU would probably try to cancel it if they had there way, thankfully they have been given the boot.
Slow cooked carrots, broccoli and sprouts pan done.
The mash was fresh and infused with horseradish..
Juice as Normal...
Keep safe guys, wash your hands..
Like you would anyways unless your a tad odd, keep 2 metres apart...
Listen to the nonsense and you will be fine!.
Ben and sox
But it’s a traditional winter warmer, a true british dish, the bloody EU would probably try to cancel it if they had there way, thankfully they have been given the boot.
Slow cooked carrots, broccoli and sprouts pan done.
The mash was fresh and infused with horseradish..
Juice as Normal...
Keep safe guys, wash your hands..
Like you would anyways unless your a tad odd, keep 2 metres apart...
Listen to the nonsense and you will be fine!.
Ben and sox
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Bet you now Boris has to do a U turn on schools and unis, when they see the infections still rising
in young people in a couple of weeks, people are going to be so pissed off that the lockdown may
have to be extended into and beyond xmas,even Boris is going to have to take notice.
Cannot for life of me understand why bussineses who are spending a fortune on covid protection
are being forced to close but kids are going to be allowed to carry on infecting each other.
As i posted before, one kid in a class was covid positive, her friend caught it, took it home and
infected 4 others in her family including her 80yo grandmother.
in young people in a couple of weeks, people are going to be so pissed off that the lockdown may
have to be extended into and beyond xmas,even Boris is going to have to take notice.
Cannot for life of me understand why bussineses who are spending a fortune on covid protection
are being forced to close but kids are going to be allowed to carry on infecting each other.
As i posted before, one kid in a class was covid positive, her friend caught it, took it home and
infected 4 others in her family including her 80yo grandmother.
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Broccoli should be cooked with a steamer. Carrots, Green Beans to.
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