Corona virus - Covid 19 discussion

[geordiecolin]

I watched her on ITV a couple of weeks ago and she wasn’t with the narrative and fair dues to her she wasn’t back wards about coming forward on what most of us are thinking.
Of course the presenter I.E Holmes and his missues tried to bring her to their level of thinking but she stuck to her guns.

She predominantly is speaking out for those with mental health issues relating to the unreasonable measures imposed. Yet another suicide on Friday within a few minutes walking distance from me. The total in my area must have increased massively over the past 6-7 months compared to last year. I may try and find the figures if there are any.
Statistics and facts are leaving more and more people scratching their heads.

Aimonn Holmes wanted to being a narrative to encourage discussion with more than the official line that was pushed by the media and politicians many months ago but he was shut down very fast and has kept in line ever since in order to keep his job.
That reflects the position of the almost all journalists to this day and I bet in private he rang her up and said "well done you"

 

[geordiecolin]

We are literally living under a communist regime now. I and every person I know thinks these rules are bollocks, and wont be following any of them.

Their graph of doom already shown up for the complete lie it was. View attachment 142491

I believe that it is mostly the ones who have the least to lose and as much to gain by these measures who are now most in favor of them.
Those who hardly leave the house anyway due to being ill,or old or have an aversion to mingling with others.
Those who prefer the streets being quiet outside.
Obviously there are many who still fear for being responsible for infecting their family but more and more are seeing through the bullshit IMO

 

[dionysus]

a little long but interesting read; just discusses projections mostly on the new normal or getting back to normalcy

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[geordiecolin]

I am not an anti vaxer as I stated over 6 months ago when I was first accused of it in here. But I suspect that that will be directed at me once again after posting this

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[ChopleyIOM]

I am not an anti vaxer as I stated over 6 months ago when I was first accused of it in here. But I suspect that that will be directed at me once again after posting this

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Well he's certainly sharing a platform with some very credible people.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

We are literally living under a communist regime now.

You literally aren't.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Did anyone see Johnson explaining the 'simple' coronavirus rules at a press conference today and, erm...... Getting them wrong?

This is a situation where the government has afforded itself the legal power to fine people up to £10,000 for breaking the rules, and the Prime Minister of the UK, the leader of that government, gets the rules wrong when asked what they are.

 

[Jono777]

These "simple rules" - laughable at best, even the winners of Mastermind and WWTBAM would have trouble digesting them fully

 

[dionysus]

We're hitting new highs here and a second wave, with more than half new cases under 40; I expect some larger restricitons to come into play

 

[Borgie]

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[dealer wins]

Still less than Flu and pneumonia deaths, and to be expected at this time of year.

And we got a near empty NHS that needs to get back to work as we approach winter they've had a summer of dancing on tic tok whilst tens of thousands of serious cancers, cardio conditions etc go untreated consigning thousands and thousands of people to death. Unforgivable and the biggest scandal in my lifetime!!

 

[geordiecolin]

Well he's certainly sharing a platform with some very credible people.

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That is ultra dismissive of what the guy has to say isn't it?
If you go to Google (Where they both shared a platform) then type in Youtube ( Where they shared a platform) then search for Vernon Coleman you will see why I ended up finding him on that platform.
In fact I will make it easy for you if you cared to follow the link.
And if your so prepared to use cancel culture then consider that Ike moved to a place called The Isle of Man.
Is there any reason why not to dismiss/cancel anyone else from England that followed him there for the same reason that you dismissed Dr Vernon Coleman?

 

[mack341]

I think Vern was happy on youtube until they started censoring him, they've gone too far, saying any medical/science views about covid-19 must agree with the WHO, that's a socialist/marxist view of how the world should work. Only the state's opinion is correct and if you don't agree you're silenced.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

I don't want to offend those who afford the guy any credibility, so clearly this is just my opinion, but as far as I'm concerned the guy is a notorious quack and conspiracy theorist, the reason he's been censored and/or banned from so many platforms, and publishers stopped publishing his books, is that a lot of what he peddles are outright lies, and in some cases dangerous lies.

It's no coincidence he's ended up on a platform with David Icke, because no one else will have him. And this isn't because he TELLS THE TRUTH THAT OTHERS DARE NOT, it's because he's a wingnut.

He's had so much to say about so many different matters over the decades that not everything he's ever uttered has been wrong, but you only need to look at some of his greatest hits to get the general idea.

 

[dionysus]

Sure. Kids want to cut loose and party. But then, everyone screams and questions why when measures are tighened and extended

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[pinnit2014]

Sure. Kids want to cut loose and party. But then, everyone screams and questions why when measures are tighened and extended

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Very true - every apocalypse starts with students playing beer pong.

 

[dionysus]

If the little idiots played beer pong proably save a lot of headaches - tables are probably 6 feet end to end

 

[dealer wins]

Sure. Kids want to cut loose and party. But then, everyone screams and questions why when measures are tighened and extended

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We cant run and hide from this bloody virus forever, young people only have a very short time to enjoy themselves before the reality of work, rent, bills etc. Not fair to criticize them having fun when the virus has literally no change of killing them.

 

[dionysus]

Not only could it kill them (sure, low risk) but they can spread it to everyone they go home and visit and interact with
Very short-sighted

They can still have fun without ridiculously over-packing a room

 

[dionysus]

I'm not sure why everyone focuses so much on whether it will kill them (it could, and others at risk you spread it to) - its also the complications that can arise and long term deleterious effects.
Was a weekend bash worth long-term chronic diminished lung capacity? Is it worth you deciding that for someone else because you cant be arsed to be responsible?
Is 200 shoulder to shoulder necessary for your own fun?


Hardly anti-party here. Went out Saturday, had a grand time at the birthday party (got well sloshed).
And managed to listen to insanely loud music, party with my friends, drink offensive amounts of alcohol, have a fire, chat and chill and enoy.


All while keepig it to a reasonable amount of people, maintaining a good distance from others and not breathing all over everyone

 

[pinnit2014]

If the little idiots played beer pong proably save a lot of headaches - tables are probably 6 feet end to end

Which is why I’m allowed to continue my sexual shenanigans

 

[geordiecolin]

I don't want to offend those who afford the guy any credibility, so clearly this is just my opinion, but as far as I'm concerned the guy is a notorious quack and conspiracy theorist, the reason he's been censored and/or banned from so many platforms, and publishers stopped publishing his books, is that a lot of what he peddles are outright lies, and in some cases dangerous lies.

It's no coincidence he's ended up on a platform with David Icke, because no one else will have him. And this isn't because he TELLS THE TRUTH THAT OTHERS DARE NOT, it's because he's a wingnut.

He's had so much to say about so many different matters over the decades that not everything he's ever uttered has been wrong, but you only need to look at some of his greatest hits to get the general idea.

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Did you listen to the recording of Emma Barnett on her BBC Talk Radio show stating as fact " We actually don't as a matter of editorial policy, we don't debate with anti vaxers weather they are right or wrong"?
Maybe I should have included that it starts just before the 8th minute and only last seconds. We are not allowed to listen to healthy debate on such an important issue by an institution that we pay a licence fee for.
How can anyone in a democracy find that just?

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Anti-vaxxers are basically flat-earthers, as far as I'm concerned, and both deserve the same amount of consideration. There is no 'debate' to be had about vaccines, any more than there is a debate to be had about if you sail a ship far enough to the West, will it or won't it drop off the edge of the planet.

We're lucky that we grew up in a post-vaccination world, but that also means it's sometimes easy to lose sight of what a remarkable and transformative human invention they have been.

I guess we could give smallpox another go though, just for a laugh.

 

[geordiecolin]

Anti-vaxxers are basically flat-earthers, as far as I'm concerned, and both deserve the same amount of consideration. There is no 'debate' to be had about vaccines, any more than there is a debate to be had about if you sail a ship far enough to the West, will it or won't it drop off the edge of the planet.

We're lucky that we grew up in a post-vaccination world, but that also means it's sometimes easy to lose sight of what a remarkable and transformative human invention they have been.

I guess we could give smallpox another go though, just for a laugh.

So you dismiss the recording of a BBC reporter simply because of the person presenting it too you.
Seems like the mindset of so many people who are incapable or unwilling to look at all sides.
The doctor you have just dismissed because of the platform the link was posted from is not an anti vaxer at all but pro vaxers often do not have any interest in seeing that. Discredit at all costs rather than listen to both sides.
Well you crack on with fact checker et al

 

[geordiecolin]

Talking of "fact checkers" I came across a fact check "correction in Facebook recently stating that a video of a young girl being tasered and ejected from a sports ground due to not wearing a mask was untrue. After opening up the reason it stated that she was removed for trespassing. So I clicked to the full explanation which stated the same followed by the clip.
However under the clip it went further to state she was cuffed tasered and removed for trespass on the grounds of not wearing a fecking mask.

 

[geordiecolin]

This guy must have spent a fortune on his video given the special effects yet it has only had a few thousand views so far.

 

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[dionysus]

possibly because March wasnt the peak? Metrics change as the virus spreads and information and understanding grows

 

[pinnit2014]

I've gave up on listening to new cases, new hospital admissions, even deaths etc because i don't really believe anything anyone's saying at the moment. Even when Mrs said 'Oh, X amount of new cases in Scotland!' (strangely excitable?) the feeling of general deflation is such all i could muster was a 'So what, what's that even mean?'

 

[dionysus]

I'm not a graphologist, but to me, looks like the numbers are fairly poor

 

[pinnit2014]

I think what people are struggling to get heads around is that, if the numbers are approaching the same 'badness' as early on, then why the differences: no need for hospitals to be built overnight, no closing of all pubs, but merely a 10pm curfew, schools back etc: back in March/April it was the 4 horsemen scenario, daily press conferences and now it's finish your pint by 10pm.

 

[dealer wins]

We are now facing totally unnecessary restrictions, the NHS is underwhelmed right now. These continuing restrictions are nothing short of a crime against our basic human rights. The right to visit our own family and friends.

Yes covid is still in town, but it doesn't

even make the top 10 these days.

 

[dionysus]

I think what people are struggling to get heads around is that, if the numbers are approaching the same 'badness' as early on, then why the differences: no need for hospitals to be built overnight, no closing of all pubs, but merely a 10pm curfew, schools back etc: back in March/April it was the 4 horsemen scenario, daily press conferences and now it's finish your pint by 10pm.

I think, because, when noone took it seriously initially, and when numbers grew, maybe people respected it moderately, but not much, and when they (numbers) exploded and restricition came in, people decried MY RIGHTS MY RIGHTS

it isnt a UK thing, its an everywhere thing
people just arent willing to give it a fair amount of time to lessen/subside, more concerned with self than all


and yes, i get work, money etc
i mean, more....i shouldtnt have to wear a mask nor limit my company number, nor par-tay when I want mentality

 

[ChopleyIOM]

So you dismiss the recording of a BBC reporter simply because of the person presenting it too you.
Seems like the mindset of so many people who are incapable or unwilling to look at all sides.
The doctor you have just dismissed because of the platform the link was posted from is not an anti vaxer at all but pro vaxers often do not have any interest in seeing that. Discredit at all costs rather than listen to both sides.
Well you crack on with fact checker et al

No I don't dismiss the recording of the BBC reporter at all, I have no doubt that she said that and I'm glad she said it. Anti-vaxxers should not not be given a serious debating platform IMO, as their 'beliefs' are essentially witchcraft and have no foundation in science, and they can present no evidence to support their views.

I dismiss the doctor because he wrote an anti-vaccination book, not because of the platform he's on, but the platform he's on can be explained because he is, amongst other things, an anti-vaxxer.

Make no mistake, the only thing that's going to bring this Covid shitshow to a proper close, is a vaccine.

 

[dealer wins]

And anyone who takes a vaccine rushed through needs their head testing!!!

 

[slotplayer]

No, its the liberal media still trying to push it at the same crisis level it was back in March/April/May. However, reality does not bear it out.

 

[cncas2123]

I think what people are struggling to get heads around is that, if the numbers are approaching the same 'badness' as early on, then why the differences: no need for hospitals to be built overnight, no closing of all pubs, but merely a 10pm curfew, schools back etc: back in March/April it was the 4 horsemen scenario, daily press conferences and now it's finish your pint by 10pm.

Big difference is the age demography of who is catching it now, mostly under 40's and it hasnt had the same affect on them, but the problem is now its more or less rife in the community and the more vulnerable, i,e the older people with underlying conditions are going to start getting infected and then the hospital admissions, deaths etc will increase exponentially.
Scary times ahead

 

[ChopleyIOM]

What cncas2123 said, also they know more about Covid now so can treat patients who end up hospitalised better, Dexamethasone in particular reduces mortality quite significantly in seriously ill hospitalised patients.

But yes, once it really starts to spread into the older/vulnerable population again (as it already is doing), the numbers are going to start getting worse again, the only question is by how much.

 

[slotplayer]

Its not hard to wear a mask, be part of the solution, not part of the problem.

 

[ZoeP]

Watch all if you want but from 17 mins on is enough.


I would never want my child to be Injected with poisons.
Especially when they are months old.

We survived thousands of years without them.

The only reason Kill Bill Gates invested in them was not to help people, but make 20x his Billion investment and depopulate "His words not mine" the Planet.

 

[cncas2123]

Watch all if you want but from 17 mins on is enough.


I would never want my child to be Injected with poisons.
Especially when they are months old.

We survived thousands of years without them.

The only reason Kill Bill Gates invested in them was not to help people, but make 20x his Billion investment and depopulate "His words not mine" the Planet.

This is the thing, we didnt survive thousands of years without them. Vaccines have increased life expectancy by 30 - 40 years over the last few centuries, vaccines have eradicated numerous diseases over the last 100 years, i.e small pox, and vaccines have greatly increased human health.
Where would we be today without vaccines? Probably living in a world with less than a billion people and a life expectancy of 35 - 50 years.
But the choice to take a vaccine will be yours alone, I know that when any fully tested vaccine comes along I will be in the queue to get it.

 

[ZoeP]

This is the thing, we didnt survive thousands of years without them. Vaccines have increased life expectancy by 30 - 40 years over the last few centuries, vaccines have eradicated numerous diseases over the last 100 years, i.e small pox, and vaccines have greatly increased human health.
Where would we be today without vaccines? Probably living in a world with less than a billion people and a life expectancy of 35 - 50 years.
But the choice to take a vaccine will be yours alone, I know that when any fully tested vaccine comes along I will be in the queue to get it.

I guess those that lived for 120 yeas as stated in the Bible also took Vaccines? I'm no bible pusher but people don't even know anything other than what's in their lifetime.

I don't want to debate i just share my view and the info out there.

I doubt i could have a Philosophical talk "not a debate" with many of you because, all you will do is quote stats and MSM BS.

Oh just to add ask the Indian and African children that were maimed and killed by Bill Gates Vaccines, I think India want him to answer in Court for what he did to those children.

 

[ZoeP]

Its not hard to wear a mask, be part of the solution, not part of the problem.

The Only Problem is People following every word of these Parasites in Control, guess that's why society has not progressed but regressed in the last 10 years, maybe more.

 

[cncas2123]

I guess those that lived for 120 yeas as stated in the Bible also took Vaccines? I'm no bible pusher but people don't even know anything other than what's in their lifetime.

I don't want to debate i just share my view and the info out there.

I doubt i could have a Philosophical talk "not a debate" with many of you because, all you will do is quote stats and MSM BS.

What I am stating is fact, its proven. Before vaccines measles was a rampant killer, TB killed millions, small pox killed millions, flu killed millions, these diseases were virulent and there is evidence of that throughout history.
Now most of these diseases are under control, some are still around but they kill nowhere near as many people. This is what vaccines do, and people like Bill Gates make sure under developed and poorer countries have access to the vaccines.
This is all fact, but if you prefer pie in the sky conspiracy theories keep on tuning in to David Icke & co, and keep looking over your shoulder for big brother and the bogey man, I prefer to live in the 21st Century with access to decent healthcare and vaccines.

 

[ZoeP]

What I am stating is fact, its proven. Before vaccines measles was a rampant killer, TB killed millions, small pox killed millions, flu killed millions, these diseases were virulent and there is evidence of that throughout history.
Now most of these diseases are under control, some are still around but they kill nowhere near as many people. This is what vaccines do, and people like Bill Gates make sure under developed and poorer countries have access to the vaccines.
This is all fact, but if you prefer pie in the sky conspiracy theories keep on tuning in to David Icke & co, and keep looking over your shoulder for big brother and the bogey man, I prefer to live in the 21st Century with access to decent healthcare and vaccines.

You can call me a CONspiracy theorist all you want because, that's all you people can say when someone has a different view to you.
I can tell you now there are people who have not vaccinated and never had any of those problems, like the Tribes who live out of this Bonkers Society.

Unless you're on your death bed and in need of this stuff, it's not worth risking your life over till then.

No i don't believe in FE and i have done enough deep research for the last 7 to 10 years, to know what's Propaganda and what is not.

Why do you people keep bringing up David Icke and FE BS? Not once have i said anything about them or that, or ever linked you to any of that.

Grow up.

 

[Slottery]

Malta’s COVID-19 mortality rate is now the highest in Europe, after shooting up past Spain to reach 3.6 deaths per 100,000 people over the past two weeks.

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In something Malta got top of Europe

 

[dealer wins]

Its not hard to wear a mask, be part of the solution, not part of the problem.

Makes no difference, and probably causes more harm than good.

 

[dealer wins]

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In something Malta got top of Europe

3.6 deaths per 100,000. And nearly all of those over age 70 who would sadly die if they caught a cold. Cold hard facts, the elderly and weak die if they get a cold/flu/covid, but we shouldn't stop everyone's lives and futures for it.

 

[dionysus]

I would never want my child to be Injected with poisons.
Especially when they are months old.

We survived thousands of years without them.

No we didnt....not on a large scale
We died young and often

edit what @cncas2123 said i was a page behind

 

[ZoeP]

No we didnt....not on a large scale
We died young and often

edit what @cncas2123 said i was a page behind

You was not there 2000 years ago. You have what 100 odd years of data from people who were paid to say that, while those who speak out are silenced or called CONspiracy theorists.

Please show me all "Your Research and Data" that You have done, not MSM scientific data.

Guess i will be waiting along time as YOU have not done any.