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Corona virus - Covid 19 discussion

geordiecolin said:
Sorry bud. I only intended to pop in here to post once and it has most likely saved me some on slots.
I am off too.
Want a love you from me because I could do a few stops on my visit to Scotland next weekend?
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Stay here and forget the slots. Especially if you are on the drink.

Might get interesting and could do with a laugh when i get up in morning.

Anyway decided better if i just go to bed try and get a sleep.

So enjoy your vodka and hope you win if you are gambling. :thumbsup:
 
paul7388 said:
Stay here and forget the slots. Especially if you are on the drink.

Might get interesting and could do with a laugh when i get up in morning.

Anyway decided better if i just go to bed try and get a sleep.

So enjoy your vodka and hope you win if you are gambling. :thumbsup:
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Cheers for the best wishes but videoslots tore me a new one yet again. I should have stayed in the warm and cozy bosom of casinomeister pissing off the locals :(
 
geordiecolin said:
Cheers for the best wishes but videoslots tore me a new one yet again. I should have stayed in the warm and cozy bosom of casinomeister pissing off the locals :(
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2 days of free battles, ya might recoup/scrape back a bit :)
 
One thing we don't muck about with over here is enforcement, our border alert level was dropped from Level 5 to Level 4 a couple of months ago. Level 5 is essential travel only, Level 4 allows non-essential travel but anyone returning to the island must self-isolate for 14 days, and it is enforced.

This is not the first person who's been locked up for breaking the rules, this woman stopped for petrol because the fuel light came on in her car, when she should have gone straight home.

Boom - month in jail.

Earlier this month a chap returned home from Europe and went back to work as a takeaway delivery driver, he got dobbed in, boom, two months in jail.

The island has remained Covid-free since June 4th, but then again we have a competent government, and a population that is largely supportive of all the measures that are in place and will do what is required as a community to keep Covid out.

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I knew there'd be a catch to all this 'boom, month in jail' the jail in question sounds like a holiday camp:
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Offers sports centre, games room, veg patch, sweet shop & a guard per inmate
Inmates even date each other, with the women in one wing and men in another

Prisoners of all levels have single cells and are allowed out of them for up to seven hours a day, housed in six wings which include a women's wing, an education centre, a sports hall, gardens, a gym, a 'shop', and various entertainment areas, as well as a patch where prisoners can grow vegetables.

"Andrew Fielding is on his fourth visit to the prison in Jurby.
Like all new arrivals, he will spend up to three days on the induction wing to acclimatise.

Prison officer Maggie explains his case, and reflects how the Isle of Man could be perceived as tough on crime.
She says: 'He's been accused of hitting his elderly mother with a rolled up Hello magazine, so yeah the Isle of Man is generally harder on all crime.'

The prison's head of security Margo adds: 'The world's gone soft, it's all nicey nicey.
'They come in here bag of bones and they'll go out fit as a fiddle, built back up"

Some prisoners have been sentenced for crimes as minor as 'robbing four pork pies and two rice crispy bars'

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This reminds me of that film hot fuzz :p ...still I wouldn't object to the IOM crime and re-offending rates


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mack341 said:
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I actually read most your posts mack and appreciate you lay out well-written thoughts and posts


but

I kinda skip past 'dailymail' as it's mostly equivalent to the US Enqurier :)
 
mack341 said:
I knew there'd be a catch to all this 'boom, month in jail' the jail in question sounds like a holiday camp:
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Yes it's based on the concept that we want people to come out of jail rehabilitated and able to re-join society as well balanced and productive individuals. The punishment is being deprived of their liberty, their time in prison is intended to give them a chance to gain some education, learn new life skills, learn methods to cope with addictions, have access to counselling and so on.

Local people do jokingly refer to the prison as 'The Jurby Hilton' but fundamentally everyone understands that outside of whole life sentences, prisoners become free people again at some point, and we want those people to have a fighting chance to get on in life upon their release.

It's partly why our crime rate and reoffending rates are so incredibly low.

What's the point of sending people to prison and treating them like animals? If you do that, you'll just be letting animals back into society at the end of their sentences.
 
ChopleyIOM said:
Yes it's based on the concept that we want people to come out of jail rehabilitated and able to re-join society as well balanced and productive individuals. The punishment is being deprived of their liberty, their time in prison is intended to give them a chance to gain some education, learn new life skills, learn methods to cope with addictions, have access to counselling and so on.

Local people do jokingly refer to the prison as 'The Jurby Hilton' but fundamentally everyone understands that outside of whole life sentences, prisoners become free people again at some point, and we want those people to have a fighting chance to get on in life upon their release.

It's partly why our crime rate and reoffending rates are so incredibly low.

What's the point of sending people to prison and treating them like animals? If you do that, you'll just be letting animals back into society at the end of their sentences.
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Out of fairness I did add "still I wouldn't object to the IOM crime and re-offending rates" just goes to show how the crown runs things differently to the uk state, it looks and sounds like a decent place to live in my book.
 
I absolutely love it here, in conjunction with other things (especially Mrs Chopley) I kind of credit moving here with saving my life, if I'd have carried on as I was in Manchester (multiple addictions and a dreadfully unhealthy lifestyle) I suspect I wouldn't have lasted too much longer.

I found a kind of peace here that utterly eluded me in the UK.
 
ChopleyIOM said:
I absolutely love it here, in conjunction with other things (especially Mrs Chopley) I kind of credit moving here with saving my life, if I'd have carried on as I was in Manchester (multiple addictions and a dreadfully unhealthy lifestyle) I suspect I wouldn't have lasted too much longer.

I found a kind of peace here that utterly eluded me in the UK.
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Just looking at IOM elections, most of the members are independents, not sure how the government works on the IOM, whether these members discuss matters with the queen's representative who has the ultimate say?

I think we could do with some more independents in the HOC, why should labour and conservatives have a monopoly when things are getting worse.

What do you make of these rulings that university students must stay in situ and not return home at christmas to their families/parents? I never went to uni but I could imagine some students struggling with that level of isolation, seems like a recipe for a nightmare unless measures are in place to protect safety/mental health.

edit: By the way I'm looking forward still to your last part of the low ebbs gambling series...is that still something you intend to do or feel you've covered it all now?
 
mack341 said:
Just looking at IOM elections, most of the members are independents, not sure how the government works on the IOM, whether these members discuss matters with the queen's representative who has the ultimate say?

I think we could do with some more independents in the HOC, why should labour and conservatives have a monopoly when things are getting worse.
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There is no party political system to speak of on the IOM, our MHKs (the equivalent of UK MPs) run as independents, and are almost always from the local community. For example one of the MHKs for the town where I live is also my GP. (He still works part time as a GP.)

I think politics works a lot better when you remove the tribalism of party politics from the equation.

Technically speaking the UK government can overrule the Manx Parliament, but in reality we're just left to our devices and pass all our own laws, set our own tax rates and so on. There's also a lot more stuff still run by the government here, we never had the privatisation craze that took hold in the UK. The utility companies are government owned and run, for example. Also, a couple of years ago the government got fed up with how private companies were running the Isle Of Man Steam Packet Company (they do the ferries), so it bought it and took it back into public ownership - effectively nationalising it.

What do you make of these rulings that university students must stay in situ and not return home at christmas to their families/parents? I never went to uni but I could imagine some students struggling with that level of isolation, seems like a recipe for a nightmare unless measures are in place to protect safety/mental health.
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It's an absolute scam IMO, they knew full well that pretty much all learning would end up being done remotely, they just wanted to get the students onto the campuses so that they could start extracting rent from them.

They knew the students would end up practically being imprisoned.

edit: By the way I'm looking forward still to your last part of the low ebbs gambling series...is that still something you intend to do or feel you've covered it all now?
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Yes there are two more to come, I know what they'll be and have them pretty well mapped out in my head, it's just finding the right time to get them recorded, they're not the easiest of content to make!
 
Something very interesting,but you may not want to check your own Countries estimated population for 2025.
This is a USA intelligence agency that predicts for the military and aviation.

Oh and check out the projected economies

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geordiecolin said:
Something very interesting,but you may not want to check your own Countries estimated population for 2025.
This is a USA intelligence agency that predicts for the military and aviation.

Oh and check out the projected economies

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Looks like a rough 4 years ahead, like I said a couple times, start learning mandarin, it might come in handy. :)
 
mack341 said:
What do you make of these rulings that university students must stay in situ and not return home at christmas to their families/parents? I never went to uni but I could imagine some students struggling with that level of isolation.
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Decent article in The Guardian today about that very subject.

Deposits had already been taken, get the students on campus, get them paying rent, get the £9250 tuition fees out of them, and then effectively confine them to their rooms in 'bubbles' of four people.

What a horrendous start to a University experience.

Threatening emails are being sent out at Manchester Metropolitan University to students who are starting to hang protest banners out of their rooms.

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Looks like a rough 4 years ahead, like I said a couple times, start learning mandarin, it might come in handy. :)
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TBH I am seriously struggling to know what to make of such dire predictions? What are they basing their predictions on given that they are a government body? There is no data to back it up either economically or for the population reductions. America losing about 3/4 of its population seems extreme!
And why put such data out there knowing that it would eventually come to light?
 
ChopleyIOM said:
Decent article in The Guardian today about that very subject.

Deposits had already been taken, get the students on campus, get them paying rent, get the £9250 tuition fees out of them, and then effectively confine them to their rooms in 'bubbles' of four people.

What a horrendous start to a University experience.

Threatening emails are being sent out at Manchester Metropolitan University to students who are starting to hang protest banners out of their rooms.

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I wonder how many other universities will do the same thing, will cambridge and oxford detain students who test positive?

I think you're right it was all to get the money into the coffers; on a side point It would be very interesting if somebody analysed what universities use to cost the nation pre all the student loans and expansion of subjects.

Will these have been the same students that went through the marking debacle [or was that mainly gcse?] if so, this has got to be one of the worse experiences of education/govt.

I hope some of these isolated/detained students aren't gamblers, going online and losing lots of money on top of everything else.
 
ChopleyIOM said:
Decent article in The Guardian today about that very subject.

Deposits had already been taken, get the students on campus, get them paying rent, get the £9250 tuition fees out of them, and then effectively confine them to their rooms in 'bubbles' of four people.

What a horrendous start to a University experience.

Threatening emails are being sent out at Manchester Metropolitan University to students who are starting to hang protest banners out of their rooms.

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That is shocking.
A kid grows up looking forward to Uni life with their independence,freshers week,partying and everything that goes with it only to find they have been utterly conned and deprived of almost all of it :(

My two daughters both told me that stress levels at both their Uni's was such that up to 75% of students suffered to some degree of mental health issue with a large proportion on some form of ongoing treatment.
Imagine the levels today?
It really does not bare thinking about :(
 
It was a purely financial decision, they've completely disregarded the health of their students and prioritised the financials.

I remember when I went to Uni the first few weeks were critical, to get a feel for your new home and area, get to know your peers, forge friendships, go out and have some fun, enjoy some drinks at the local pubs and clubs, all that stuff that young people want to do, all the stuff they need to do.

What a fucking miserable position they've been put into, shelling out £127 per week on rent, on the hook for £9250 in tuition fees for just one year, most of their learning is going to be remote anyway, they can't go out, they can't socialise, and they've been told they'll be breaking the law if they decide they can't tolerate it and want to go back to live with their parents.

As per the article I've linked there, in some of these halls they can't even control the temperature of their own room, the rooms are small, the beds aren't the best etc.

Make no mistake the bigwigs in charge absolutely knew that the halls of residence would end up as human petri dishes and this is the situation they'd end up in, but they wanted the money more than they cared for the wellbeing of their students.
 
ChopleyIOM said:
It was a purely financial decision, they've completely disregarded the health of their students and prioritised the financials.

I remember when I went to Uni the first few weeks were critical, to get a feel for your new home and area, get to know your peers, forge friendships, go out and have some fun, enjoy some drinks at the local pubs and clubs, all that stuff that young people want to do, all the stuff they need to do.

What a fucking miserable position they've been put into, shelling out £127 per week on rent, on the hook for £9250 in tuition fees for just one year, most of their learning is going to be remote anyway, they can't go out, they can't socialise, and they've been told they'll be breaking the law if they decide they can't tolerate it and want to go back to live with their parents.

As per the article I've linked there, in some of these halls they can't even control the temperature of their own room, the rooms are small, the beds aren't the best etc.

Make no mistake the bigwigs in charge absolutely knew that the halls of residence would end up as human petri dishes and this is the situation they'd end up in, but they wanted the money more than they cared for the wellbeing of their students.
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I suspect that if they enforce there measures too strictly then it will lead to trouble because we all know that pissing off students can lead to civil unrest and dire consequences for the government.
 
Email sent to students in Manchester in certain halls of residence :eek2:

Debate is ongoing as to whether or not this constitutes a legally binding order (consensus seems to be it doesn't), so the students might potentially be able to just say fuck it and go out anyway.

I stayed in halls of residence in my first year at Uni and saw what many other halls were like. The rooms aren't unpleasant or anything, but they tend to be small and reasonably basic, the whole point of Uni life is to be out and about and doing stuff when you're not studying, so your room tends to be somewhere you just rest/sleep or study.

Staying in a single room for 14 days? Fuck that shit. I can't imagine this holding, what are they going to do, start arresting a load of 18 year olds for leaving their room?

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It may be financial greed but I also believe the Government are outright pinning the Covid blame on Generation Z-ers, they essentially spelt that one out weeks ago, and are now 'punishing' them, if these spiteful rules are anything to go by
 
goatwack said:
It may be financial greed but I also believe the Government are outright pinning the Covid blame on Generation Z-ers, they essentially spelt that one out weeks ago, and are now 'punishing' them, if these spiteful rules are anything to go by
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Well I guess they need to try and be able to point the finger at someone/something to try and deflect attention away from their own gross incompetence.

Listen to this interview, these students report how security guards are stopping them from leaving their buildings.....

 
Given that the first year at Uni is basically a social integration this is quite the kick in the proverbials.

Not to mention a rather expensive online course with prison-esque accommodations

Whilst younger people are more likely to be resilient and adaptable to their current predicament, these 'guidelines' are clearly just a tester, and bound to get extended. No amount camaraderie and hijinks is gonna sustain that.

Fairly short-sighted of the current administration to demonize an entire subset, given how these are the voters of the future, not to mention doctors, solicitors, public sector workers......
 
geordiecolin said:
TBH I am seriously struggling to know what to make of such dire predictions? What are they basing their predictions on given that they are a government body? There is no data to back it up either economically or for the population reductions. America losing about 3/4 of its population seems extreme!
And why put such data out there knowing that it would eventually come to light?
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It does seem extreme unless some big event happens, nuclear war or an asteroid. Maybe a new virus.

I'm just trying to get through today.
 
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Further warnings about Long-Covid, which in many regards is starting to become more of a story/issue than the headline mortality rate.

And as Fauci points out here, even in people who recover and don't have any ongoing immediate symptoms, there is often heart damage and other organ damage revealed on MRI scans, the implications of which simply aren't known at the moment, but point towards multiple possible health issues months or years down the line.

It really can't be emphasised enough that Covid can and does damage even young healthy bodies in all sorts of grizzly ways that aren't fully understood at the moment.

EDIT - Put it this way, I'm 46 years old, in good physical health, I'm not overweight, and reasonably active. I wouldn't want to take my chances on a Covid infection.



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I used to work in student accomodation the rooms are hot, clammy and uncomfortable. I needed to open windows and constantly got sick from the job. And the things airborn so they can't even open windows :( Sounds an absolute nightmare! They definitely should have postponed the students arriving until cases had lowered a bit. The students are basically being treated like they are 11 years old and on a school trip! Stay in rooms except for meal times etc...
 
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I watched her on ITV a couple of weeks ago and she wasn’t with the narrative and fair dues to her she wasn’t back wards about coming forward on what most of us are thinking.
Of course the presenter I.E Holmes and his missues tried to bring her to their level of thinking but she stuck to her guns.
 

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