Corona virus - Covid 19 discussion

[colinsunderland]

There was never any mention anywhere specifying if it was legal to drive to exercise which is what caused
the confusion,I searched everywhere after i was stopped and warned, all it said was you were allowed to
exercise once a day.It was down to the police to decide whether you had a reasonable reason to be driving
some forces said it was not. The only time it was clarified in black and white was in the new guidelines which
state it is acceptable.

The police must have more time now the roads are clearer and they dont have to spend almost all their
time at night dealing with drunken behaviour,If there was no point why do other countries do it

ok, then you have to assume it wasn't allowed. They stated what was allowed, they couldn't list everything that wasn't. It wasn't listed as something that was allowed, therefore it wasn't.
The fact that it is specifically mentioned in tomorrow's changes that you can travel for exercise also suggests it wasn't allowed before, otherwise why mention it.

The guidelines aren't law, they are what the police feel is a level of breaking the law that is appropriate to prosecute for, and in the public interest. It is never going to be in the public interest to fine 10's of thousands of people for minor breaches of the law, especially at a time when people are on reduced wages. Think of it like the way most forces operate a 10+3 approach to speeding. Whatever the limit they add 10% and 3mph onto it, if your speed is under that, they won't fine you. So it is EXTREMELY unlikely you will ever get pulled over for doing 75mph on the M1. You are breaking the law if you do 70.01mph, but guidance states not to prosecute, so they don't. This is no different, driving for exercise wasn't a reasonable excuse for leaving the house, but guidance tells them not to prosecute, so they don't, and rightly so, unless it becomes a problem. I guarantee the guidance would have been changed if suddenly we started to get queues of traffic at the coast and popular parks again.

Regardless of that, if you are vulnerable as you state, then you are breaking the rules by going out anywhere surely?

Were roadblocks not done by one force early on, I think the bad press would be enough to stop it happening again.

 

[geordiecolin]

We are nowhere near those figures.

Estimates have London between 10-15% and 5-10% elsewhere.

If we assume a rate of 10%, on current death figures we could reasonably expect 300,000 dead if this was left to rip unabated.

I am not doubting your figures until I attempt to find some new data. What I will vouch for is that those figures of 60% where quoted in the media 4 or more weeks ago. I'm not going to go check tonight cos I have other plans but I will do tomorrow

 

[Mr_Slot5]

I am not doubting your figures until I attempt to find some new data. What I will vouch for is that those figures of 60% where quoted in the media 4 or more weeks ago. I'm not going to go check tonight cos I have other plans but I will do tomorrow

15% seems to be a ball park figure across most countries from antibody tests.

Obviously perfect extrapolation of this isn't possible but if you do the maths, we've already seen almost 60,000 excess deaths in the UK. Multiply that up by how many more people get this and we have issues.

It's not just the case fatality rate that's important either. So many more are being hospitalised. Even youngish and healthy people 30-40 year olds.

 

[dealer wins]

It would be excellent news if 60% have had/got this. If its only 2 or 3% then we are fucked. Lockdown or no lockdown if its 3% we are really buggered whatever they decide to do.

 

[Mr_Slot5]

It would be excellent news if 60% have had/got this. If its only 2 or 3% then we are fucked. Lockdown or no lockdown if its 3% we are really buggered whatever they decide to do.

We will almost certainly have a military imposed lockdown in the autumn IMO. The other alternative where we have this and seasonal flu in tandem doesn't bear thinking about.

At my place of work we've got the infrastructure in place now for this eventuality.

 

[dealer wins]

We will almost certainly have a military imposed lockdown in the autumn IMO. The other alternative where we have this and seasonal flu in tandem doesn't bear thinking about.

At my place of work we've got the infrastructure in place now for this eventuality.

That sounds fun, and when the NHS can no longer be funded and collapses even more fun lol

 

[shadow123]

ok, then you have to assume it wasn't allowed. They stated what was allowed, they couldn't list everything that wasn't. It wasn't listed as something that was allowed, therefore it wasn't.
The fact that it is specifically mentioned in tomorrow's changes that you can travel for exercise also suggests it wasn't allowed before, otherwise why mention it.

The guidelines aren't law, they are what the police feel is a level of breaking the law that is appropriate to prosecute for, and in the public interest. It is never going to be in the public interest to fine 10's of thousands of people for minor breaches of the law, especially at a time when people are on reduced wages. Think of it like the way most forces operate a 10+3 approach to speeding. Whatever the limit they add 10% and 3mph onto it, if your speed is under that, they won't fine you. So it is EXTREMELY unlikely you will ever get pulled over for doing 75mph on the M1. You are breaking the law if you do 70.01mph, but guidance states not to prosecute, so they don't. This is no different, driving for exercise wasn't a reasonable excuse for leaving the house, but guidance tells them not to prosecute, so they don't, and rightly so, unless it becomes a problem. I guarantee the guidance would have been changed if suddenly we started to get queues of traffic at the coast and popular parks again.

Regardless of that, if you are vulnerable as you state, then you are breaking the rules by going out anywhere surely?

Were roadblocks not done by one force early on, I think the bad press would be enough to stop it happening again.

think we will have to agree to differ,no hard feelings

 

[Mr_Slot5]

That sounds fun, and when the NHS can no longer be funded and collapses even more fun lol

Yes, we all have to accept that this won't be going away for a long time.

Then we have the issue of what happens when Christmas approaches? Families all mingling with each other, people getting drunk etc.

That's why, for my money, we'll have a total lockdown sometime mid-late autumn, to get case numbers right down.

 

[geordiecolin]

think we will have to agree to differ,no hard feelings

Just let it pass Shadow. It is really not important in the grand scheme of things.
Horseracing and my first bash on Deadwood is much more worthy

 

[dealer wins]

Yes, we all have to accept that this won't be going away for a long time.

Then we have the issue of what happens when Christmas approaches? Families all mingling with each other, people getting drunk etc.

That's why, for my money, we'll have a total lockdown sometime mid-late autumn, to get case numbers right down.

I dont think people will put up with another lockdown, especially the older ones who may only have a year or 2 left to live and wont want to spend it in their living room, and the youth who are taking not much notice of this one.

Add to that the tens of thousands of people this would kill from other health conditions caused by being confined to home, and possibly hundreds of thousands from the resulting economic catastrophe that another lockdown would cause.

 

[colinsunderland]

think we will have to agree to differ,no hard feelings

I'm sorry but don't state things as fact if you can't back it up, it creates misinformation and others start believing it. Thats why no one knows if they are coming or going on stuff like this.

You said yourself you couldn't find anywhere that stated it was ok to do so, therefore that means it isn't, as the instructions were pretty clear. Don't go out unless you have to. If you are in the vulnerable group don't go out at all. You are having a go at people for breaking the rules when you are doing that yourself.

FWIW I don't disagree with you going out. You know the risks involved and what might happen if you catch it. You, like I have, have weighed up the pro's and con's and decided driving for a bit to take the dog for a walk is less risky than being stuck in the house 24/7 for months on end. I have diabetes and therefore apparently am a high risk. I still go out. I still drive down the beach and go to the park. I use common sense, if I get there and it looks busy, and think I will struggle to stay a few meters away from people, I drive off, find somewhere quiet, or go home.

We're all in this together, worldwide, accept that some people, like you and me, will break the rules sometimes, no point ranting or having a go at people for doing the same. Keep yourself safe, if others are stupid and want to risk their lives, thats their choice, just avoid them

If people go daft with the relaxed measures, then the lockdown will be back, and stricter than before I expect. I certainly hope people have the common sense not to let that happen

 

[toph11]

keep an eye on south korea

 

[shadow123]

I'm sorry but don't state things as fact if you can't back it up, it creates misinformation and others start believing it. Thats why no one knows if they are coming or going on stuff like this.

You said yourself you couldn't find anywhere that stated it was ok to do so, therefore that means it isn't, as the instructions were pretty clear. Don't go out unless you have to. If you are in the vulnerable group don't go out at all. You are having a go at people for breaking the rules when you are doing that yourself.

FWIW I don't disagree with you going out. You know the risks involved and what might happen if you catch it. You, like I have, have weighed up the pro's and con's and decided driving for a bit to take the dog for a walk is less risky than being stuck in the house 24/7 for months on end. I have diabetes and therefore apparently am a high risk. I still go out. I still drive down the beach and go to the park. I use common sense, if I get there and it looks busy, and think I will struggle to stay a few meters away from people, I drive off, find somewhere quiet, or go home.

We're all in this together, worldwide, accept that some people, like you and me, will break the rules sometimes, no point ranting or having a go at people for doing the same. Keep yourself safe, if others are stupid and want to risk their lives, thats their choice, just avoid them

If people go daft with the relaxed measures, then the lockdown will be back, and stricter than before I expect. I certainly hope people have the common sense not to let that happen

Sorry I have already explained I looked into the legality of driving to exercise prior to the latest guidlines and there was no clear rule, please feel free to look yourself and prove me wrong.
No point in pursuing this any further anyway as the rules are now clear.
I got more important things to do,on last heartstopper on lil devil

PS it was crap as usual

 

[sufferinsilence]

keep an eye on south korea

SK is fearing another outbreak and due to the anti-holebi culture there might be people not wanting to be tested...

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[colinsunderland]

Sorry I have already explained I looked into the legality of driving to exercise prior to the latest guidlines and there was no clear rule, please feel free to look yourself and prove me wrong.
No point in pursuing this any further anyway as the rules are now clear.
I got more important things to do,on last heartstopper on lil devil

PS it was crap as usual

As you know, its almost always impossible to prove a negative. The law was, do not go out unless absolutely necessary. There then followed a list of reasonable excuses. If you didn't have a reasonable excuse, as set out in law, then you were breaking it. Driving to a park to walk your dog, when you are classed as a vulnerable person was not one of those reasons to be out. I also can't find the law stating a reasonable excuse to be out was to break into a shop. Doesn't mean it must be legal to do so because it wasn't expressly written that it was illegal to do that in black and white.
But you just keep kidding yourself that you are 100% following the law while being a hypocrite and slagging everyone else off for doing exactly what you were.

 

[ternur]

Stressing out not helping a lot, it is what it is, hard to control other people. Just relax at home, be like @ternur and play some party games with your friends

Hahahah. Spot on

Scarily accurate on almost every aspect.

Yeah, not much to do while isolating.

 

[Harry_BKK]

The UKGC going into action mode, which shows they could stop reversal options at any time. Question is why they are not? This was published yesterday and I assume it went to all licensees:

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[shadow123]

Dunno what your problem is, i said no hard feelings but you seem determined to have the last say.
Just go and live your life and be safe,i will do the same

 

[shadow123]

As you know, its almost always impossible to prove a negative. The law was, do not go out unless absolutely necessary. There then followed a list of reasonable excuses. If you didn't have a reasonable excuse, as set out in law, then you were breaking it. Driving to a park to walk your dog, when you are classed as a vulnerable person was not one of those reasons to be out. I also can't find the law stating a reasonable excuse to be out was to break into a shop. Doesn't mean it must be legal to do so because it wasn't expressly written that it was illegal to do that in black and white.
But you just keep kidding yourself that you are 100% following the law while being a hypocrite and slagging everyone else off for doing exactly what you were.

Dunno what your problem is, i said no hard feelings but you seem determined to have the last say.
Just go and live your life and be safe,i will do the same

 

[Slottery]

The UKGC going into action mode, which shows they could stop reversal options at any time. Question is why they are not? This was published yesterday and I assume it went to all licensees:

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Specifically, review your time indicators to capture play in excess of 1 hour as this is a proxy for potential harm.

Maybe bit off topic but as this was posted here, maybe some better thread to discuss about these, but does anyone else find that one hour to be bit strict? Amount of over one hour sessions is quite a big, should these all players be interacted? Does that help a lot if you send some thousands of players email every day that we are worried that you spend over one hour of your lockdown time once a week by playing slots (doesn't matter if it's only one tenner deposit but time is potential harm)? Would imagine at least VS need to review quite many players during their freeroll battle weekends (or how ever they are called), based on thread here, even some CM members spend over hour in these

Fully understand COVID19 and potential gambling problems what in can cause for some and that people situations can be very different (no or lower income than normally etc...)

Stop bonus offers or promotions to customers displaying indicators of harm

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Should that be understood that you can say bye for bonuses if you have some over hour sessions in your near history? Maybe we see some interesting ways to follow these new guidelines for COVID time when all casinos deciding how to actually implement these.. Is one email with link to self assessment test enough or how big actions should be taken..?

 

[ternur]

I find that any indicators based on time played and amount wagered are not very good ones, if implemented strictly on those basis. And we all know there are operators which will implement them precisely like that.

If the slots are hot, most players play more and wager more. Even low rollers.

This is one aspect in current (RG) regulations that doesn't really take into account the nature of gambling in general imo.

 

[pinnit2014]

Unless I deposit a tenner, most of my play is in excess of one hour; mainly cos I start on the lower bets in the main (odd time it’s 100 in and two quids just to see); like Ternur, not a fan of arbitrary limits being set, especially by folk who have never thrown electronics out the window after getting 5x on Bonanza

Wonder will that be a risk indicator? How far have you thrown your tablet. If you answer; to the next council boundary, I can see them blocking the account.

Going to be pop ups every 30 seconds soon: are you ok, are you sure etc

 

[geordiecolin]

15% seems to be a ball park figure across most countries from antibody tests.

Obviously perfect extrapolation of this isn't possible but if you do the maths, we've already seen almost 60,000 excess deaths in the UK. Multiply that up by how many more people get this and we have issues.

It's not just the case fatality rate that's important either. So many more are being hospitalised. Even youngish and healthy people 30-40 year olds.

This was a study from about 7 weeks ago which suggested that 50% of the population may have already been infected. I'm not in any position to vouch for it but it does make some sense. Especially if it had been about since early January.

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[colinsunderland]

This was a study from about 7 weeks ago which suggested that 50% of the population may have already been infected. I'm not in any position to vouch for it but it does make some sense. Especially if it had been about since early January.

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Thats just pure guesswork though, equally 5% might have had it or 95%. Until there is proper testing in place no one will know.

From everything I've heard you would know if you had it though, my daughter is convinced she had it in January/February as she couldn't get out of bed for a week and the symptoms were exactly the same. She was living in halls at the time and 3 of the 5 people she lived with at the time had the exact same symptoms around the same time as her.

 

[geordiecolin]

 

[geordiecolin]

The importance of vitamin D

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[Kroffe]

Perhaps redheads are behind the virus.
Gosh darn superhumans.

• are less responsive to anesthetic;
• are less vulnerable to various types of pain, including electrical shocks;
• are less responsive to spicy foods;
• are more sensitive to painkillers;
• produce more vitamin D naturally;

Also i hear they have more sex than the inferior people with brown/blonde hair.

 

[colinsunderland]

Bit grim reading, and these, imo, are the ones that matter. 60k more deaths this year than average. That doesn't take into account what was written on the death cert, just deaths, so all the arguments about if a heart attack with Covid-19 should be registered as a Covid or Heart attack death are a moot point.
Also it's worth remembering we have had a very mild winter and early spring, so chances are deaths would have been lower than average this year, which is backed up by the fact, end of March this year were 2% under average, in a month that changed to 6% above .

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The Continuous Mortality Investigation (CMI) has published its analysis of today’s ONS release.<br><br>Key points:<br>- death rates are 1.6 times the same week last year<br>- they estimate that there have been around 60,000 excess deaths in the UK this year <a href="

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[colinsunderland]

ffs why do tweets always embed and leave half the code showing, any reason for that @pereblue ? It doesn't happen on other Xenforo forums I use.

 

[Kroffe]

How are you adding them?
This is just the link copied&pasted.

 

[colinsunderland]

How are you adding them?
This is just the link copied&pasted.

Just using the embed tweet function, exactly the same as I do elsewhere

 

[Kroffe]

Just using the embed tweet function, exactly the same as I do elsewhere

Ah, ok.
I noticed i got the same thing when i tried to enter a post from reddit.
But just copying&pasting the link seems to add it correctly.

 

[mcgameboy]

Perhaps redheads are behind the virus.
Gosh darn superhumans.

• are less responsive to anesthetic;
• are less vulnerable to various types of pain, including electrical shocks;
• are less responsive to spicy foods;
• are more sensitive to painkillers;
• produce more vitamin D naturally;

Also i hear they have more sex than the inferior people with brown/blonde hair.

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Your avatar is looking rather plain at the moment sir.

Just wondering when the bear is going to have an avatar where he is adorned with a ginger toupee.

#gingersarepeopletoo
#stayginger
#crouchinggingerhiddenKroffe

 

[Kroffe]

Your avatar is looking rather plain at the moment sir.

Just wondering when the bear is going to have an avatar where he is adorned with a ginger toupee.

#gingersarepeopletoo
#stayginger
#crouchinggingerhiddenKroffe

Well i kind of remembered we dont have any mask-requirements or lockdown or anything here.
But i do agree its looking a bit plain.
Just for you i will do a Ternur-cosplay.

 

[paul7388]

Well i kind of remembered we dont have any mask-requirements or lockdown or anything here.
But i do agree its looking a bit plain.
Just for you i will do a Ternur-cosplay.

Think you should just go stick your head in that bucket again

 

[Kroffe]

Think you should just go stick your head in that bucket again

Oh, you want to start another war Paul?
After the last one just ended.
You know the rules.

 

[Guntis]

Try this one Kroffe, see if it fits!

 

[paul7388]

Oh, you want to start another war Paul?
After the last one just ended.
You know the rules.

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[Guntis]

Oh, you want to start another war Paul?
After the last one just ended.
You know the rules.

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Paul means the face shield you used before on your avatar, it looked (a bit) like a seethrough bucket

 

[paul7388]

This suits you better kroffe.

 

[paul7388]

Paul means the face shield you used before on your avatar, it looked (a bit) like a seethrough bucket

Oh was that meant to be a face shield lol.

 

[Kroffe]

Try this one Kroffe, see if it fits!

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I like the design, but i think you sent me the wrong sizes.
One was way too big, and the smallest one were only good as ear-warmers.

 

[Kroffe]

This suits you better kroffe.
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[Kroffe]

Paul means the face shield you used before on your avatar, it looked (a bit) like a seethrough bucket

It is a bucket.

 

[Guntis]

I like the design, but i think you sent me the wrong sizes.
One was way too big, and the smallest one were only good as ear-warmers.

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You haven't tried it back to front!

 

[Kroffe]

You haven't tried it back to front!

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Im just not convinced it offers enough protection against the virus if i wear it back to front.
That will only protect the back of my head from coughs and sneezes.
I think ill opt for a mask instead.
Safest that way.

 

[Mr_Slot5]

Bad news from Spain.

The mass antibody testing has revealed only 5% have been exposed, perhaps as high as 11% in the Madrid epicentre.

This is bad news. It means this thing has a very high hospitalisation rate and a mortality rate circa 1.1-1.2%

 

[sufferinsilence]

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Little bit of nuance tho:
"Production of Sanofi’s vaccine in the U.S. will mainly go to that market, while capacity elsewhere will cover Europe and the rest of the world, the company said in an emailed statement following Bloomberg’s report. The drugmaker is having “very constructive conversations” with the French and German governments and European Union institutions, it said. "

 

[slotplayer]

I won't be getting inoculated any of these fast tracked vaccines.

 

[mina1929]

This is sad, first time I actually watched the news in ages...