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The are down a lot on last week, you can't just look at 2 days and say, oh its not getting better. The reporting is a joke too. You have put a figure, but how many actually died yesterday and how many were from previous days/weeks?
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The best figures to look at are the rolling 7 day average figure as this captures all reported deaths. This figure is on a downward trend so that shows that the peak has been passed for the first wave and the stress on the NHS was curtailed due to the lock down measures taken.
Now it will be a case of gradual lifting of restrictions over the next 3-4 weeks while hopefully maintaining the downward trend of ICU care/deaths.
Evidence Covid came from a lab
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Very famous authors..... If they are so sure why not put their names to it?
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You cant compare Uks lockdown with the one they had in China.It is also very difficult to imagine China are being anywhere near truthful now, regarding their reporting of day to day cases. Today for instance they report one new case and haven’t reported any new deaths.
That for me is difficult to believe given the place it originated. They had a vast number of cases early on and as far as I am aware haven’t done anything different than most other countries yet for weeks they have been reporting only a handful of new cases and deaths each day whilst a lot of other countries such as Italy, Spain and the UK are still seeing thousands of new cases and hundreds of deaths per day.
If China’s figures are true then they need to let the rest of the world into their secret of how they did it because from what I am seeing lockdown alone wouldn’t be enough. If it was, the UK would surely have been in a similar situation by now but we are not.
The other countries that seem to be coping remarkably well with containing and minimising cases are South Korea (only a handful most days) and of course North Korea who are exempt because they claimed a while back to have zero cases.Possible I suppose as they are very strict on who can enter or leave the country. On the other hand they could have thousands of cases you wouldn’t know the truth.
They literally locked people in for the duration of the lockdown, like bolted their doors shut.
Would probably have been shot if seen outside.
Compare that to uk where people are having parties, sunbathing in the park etc.
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A project that "humorously" called themselves Project EPSTEIN when they started out can't be taken too serious.
They can't present evidence because they never did local research. Nobody can be 100% sure about the source unless you have access to the lab, the wet market and can actually do research on local bats. Works both ways before someone accuses me of something I didn't say
They can't present evidence because they never did local research. Nobody can be 100% sure about the source unless you have access to the lab, the wet market and can actually do research on local bats. Works both ways before someone accuses me of something I didn't say
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Did you read the conclusion?
"Editors’ note, March 2020: We are aware that this story is being used as the basis for unverified theories that the novel coronavirus causing COVID-19 was engineered. There is no evidence that this is true; scientists believe that an animal is the most likely source of the coronavirus.
Indeed; the claim here is not that SARS-CoV-2 was engineered"
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Why would a believer bother to read the footnote? All they want is to have their conspiracy theory justified and they dont want any facts to get in the way of that.
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Hey, theres nothing wrong with being a believer!
Facts just gets in the way of all the fun.
They really didn't play around. Stories of people being shut inside, doors welded, starving to death
Whilst we are asked to abide by a few measures, have our liberties intact, and are asked nicely with pretty please on top not to be selfish assholes. And yet the majority of Westerners moan that being asked to stay indoors is the end of civilization and part of a NWO
Send them into a real lockdown scenario and then see what they have to say
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Yeah, im not saying their way was something we should imitate here, but like you said they were not playing around.
Just keeping stores open probably makes for a happy virus.
You are probably not very likely to catch it outside in the park, unless very crowded, but in stores, gyms etc where people keep touching the same stuff i imagine it spreads rather efficiently.
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Yeah okay perhaps not a good parallel but if you believe China’s figures are correct and that was the level of enforcement required to reach “the stage” they are at, then surely we can’t even start to think about easing restrictions. We should actually be doing the opposite and imposing further restrictions.
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Maybe we should make it stricter.
But not a chance they will make further restrictions.
The virus is here to stay. They have to now try and get country moving again while trying to keep spread of virus as minimal as possible. The whole lockdown in this country was a farce to begin with. Too many people were out for different reasons .
Bit late too now try and have a tougher lockdown.
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I dont think their numbers are correct.
Probably has not been a single ounce of information coming from them that has been 100% true.
Im not 100% sure lockdown is the way to go either.
I mean, Finland seems to be kicking some virus butt, but as far as i know they dont have a full lockdown over there.
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I would say ask Ternur what it's like in Finland.
But as he is struggling to know what day it is let alone what's happening outside his house i doubt he could answer lol.
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I should add, i will never be 100% sure about anything regarding this virus.
Despite passing grades in school, i cant with good conscience call myself an epidemiologist.
But im like the second best thing, a bear with an opinion.
Despite passing grades in school, i cant with good conscience call myself an epidemiologist.
But im like the second best thing, a bear with an opinion.
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There is a theory out there about that. The Finnish use quite a lot of sauna's and in studies, it has shown having people be exposed to heat for a short term followed by cold help to boost the immune system. Could be a factor.
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It's good to keep an open mind. I do believe it came from one of the Wuhan labs whether it was engineered or not I am not sure about. Too many coincidences come into play here. First, there are two labs in Wuhan one which is really close to the wet market and it studies bat coronavirus. And having the epicentre of this pandemic around that wet market reaaally close to the lab doesn't take a virologist to make the leap that somehow it escaped the lab.I should add, i will never be 100% sure about anything regarding this virus.
Despite passing grades in school, i cant with good conscience call myself an epidemiologist.
But im like the second best thing, a bear with an opinion.
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I recently rediscovered music videos without music, wich is one of internets treasures!
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I actually do the same sometimes during the winter.
Parents have a sauna, and live right by the sea, so sometimes when i visit them we use a chainsaw to make a hole in the ice and take a quick dip after being in the sauna.
Read something about it "kickstarting" the bodys immune system.
Cant say if it works or not, but it feels like getting kicked alright.
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The thing with Finland is that it is very sparsely populated and this is obviously a very influential factor in the spreading of the disease (probably why the UK is struggling).
It’s a difficult equation trying to balance lockdown with economy and all the implications long term. I mean if we are all supposed to be abiding by the rules yet thousands of people are coming into the country each day untested, what is the point.
Half measures are no good and that is the problem, we have tried to implement restrictions without affecting everyday life as much as possible. What should have happened is as soon as we saw what was happening in Italy we should have shut the country down. It may sound harsh and militant but imo we would all be back at work by now.
The way we have done it will be far more detrimental to everyone long term in many ways.
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Yeah, thats probably why we have seen so few cases here in northern Sweden aswell.
Much less crowded when compared to Stockholm and the areas around there.
We dont have subways etc here either, wich i guess is a perfect breeding-ground for the virus.
Also we hate people.
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More and more people are out every day and the traffic is building up again. If this leads to an increase in cases and deaths again in a few weeks going to be a blooming nightmare. We can't keep stopping and starting. So many countries were far stricter than us. We will most likely pay the price unfortunately.
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Yeah, thats probably why we have seen so few cases here in northern Sweden aswell.
Much less crowded when compared to Stockholm and the areas around there.
We dont have subways etc here either, wich i guess is a perfect breeding-ground for the virus.
Also we hate people.
I think you had quite many cases in Norrbotten (where my dad lives). Not sure if those cases came mostly from our ski resorts in the north or how the hell did that virus found its way up there.
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Nobody wants to live there because of folklore tales about a vicious bear that lives in woods. Surely.... that’s....... not...... trYeah, thats probably why we have seen so few cases here in northern Sweden aswell.
Much less crowded when compared to Stockholm and the areas around there.
We dont have subways etc here either, wich i guess is a perfect breeding-ground for the virus.
Also we hate people.
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We're starting to ease measures this monday. It's all going to be very phased out and it's probably the 2nd phase that's going to be the one to keep an eye on, that's when schools are partially opening again along with more stores. That'll happen on the 15th so we'll see the numbers about 7-14 days later.
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"We are an anonymous group of researchers."
If you want to be taken seriously, you usually add your names and credentials to your findings. And have your research peer reviewed.
Seems the freedom rebels have a God-given right to do as they please, because the sun and nice weather trumps a killer pandemic
Sometimes I'll draw the curtains myself (if I have the strength) and have noticed this bright glowy thing up high in the distance. But soon enough I'll close them again (with my remaining strength) as that temptress won't get me to flout the rules
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hmm its starting to look like game set and match to me
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"Trumps" a killer pandemic ... did you have to mention him lol.
It's like don't mention the war ...
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So a report on the mail online with 20 year old pictures disproves all the research by specialists that proves the virus isnt man made?
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Also we hate people.
Finland doesn't have that much people, the whole country has less than London for example. Another factor surely is that most here seemed to take the lockdown and quarantine measures seriously.
And of course social distancing is something that comes naturally to Finnish people. I mean, sure, we'll go to a sauna naked with strangers, but god forbid if someone sits besides you in a bus. Or even worse, talks to you
Kroffe said the Swedes hate people. They don't know the meaning of the word. It's like saying ABBA is as hard a metal band as Children Of Bodom. The Swedes are the flowerchilds of the north.
I personally believe that the alcohol content in the blood (which every Finnish person is born with) has something to do with this as well.
Edit: Added words. I can't spell on the first go.
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At least I'm having fun and staying positive. Who cares about what day it is. Which day it is btw? Sour Saturday?
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260 confirmed cases is what i can find.
Norrbotten is pretty big after all.
But then again, not that many people living there, so it might have to do with ski resorts etc being there as you said.
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If credible sources start saying the same, i would be inclined to agree.
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Will you hold the US accountable for H1N1, will you do the same with Saudi-Arabia for MERS?
SARS was considered an epidemic, not a global pandemic. Different scale, about 9K infected and less than 1K deaths. China was criticized and rightly so. It took them 3 months to report it. This time they reported it within 1 month or less, depending on which news source you want to believe.
Please, post exact proof how people from Wuhan left China after the 23rd Jan. Further, most airlines had stopped their flights from there already.
Every country knew on 14th Jan that human transmission is maybe possible, and definitely on 22nd Jan. What exactly did countries do, in view that everyone knew what SARS and MERS were capable of? Please post proposals about how China should be held accountable for the non-actions of other governments?
You do know that the WHO has no mandate to enter a country willy-nilly? Which means they can only report what a country is reporting to them until they are allowed into the country to inspect themselves.
Every country should have taken stringent measures on 23rd January but most didn't. NADA, NOTHING, ZIP, ZILCH! For weeks. Will you hold those countries accountable?
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Sorry but you are deluding yourself now.
You might buy a product "Made in X" but the main parts or raw materials could well be from China. Do you know how little a company has to change in a product to be able to label it "Made in X"? It is rather minuscule.
So moving operations to Bangladesh or Vietnam or Laos will let you sleep better? You do know that Chinese control most of the business world in Asia, do you? It has been like that for centuries.
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How do you make sure that the Rare Earth materials used in a smartphone will not be from China? Or the resin for the plastics. etc etc.
Geez, you all need to take your blinders off.
I'm fairly certain the raw materials found in modern smartphones et al are greatly mined in African countries for the most part.
Often by child workers
.....worked to the bone
......in treacherous conditions!
Then it becomes a case of forsaking all our electronic devices. Because people can't have it both ways
Unless they use alternative materials. Perhaps recycled toilet paper? Or wooden screens?
Often by child workers
.....worked to the bone
......in treacherous conditions!
Then it becomes a case of forsaking all our electronic devices. Because people can't have it both ways
Unless they use alternative materials. Perhaps recycled toilet paper? Or wooden screens?
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It is also very difficult to imagine China are being anywhere near truthful now, regarding their reporting of day to day cases. Today for instance they report one new case and haven’t reported any new deaths.
That for me is difficult to believe given the place it originated. They had a vast number of cases early on and as far as I am aware haven’t done anything different than most other countries yet for weeks they have been reporting only a handful of new cases and deaths each day whilst a lot of other countries such as Italy, Spain and the UK are still seeing thousands of new cases and hundreds of deaths per day.
If China’s figures are true then they need to let the rest of the world into their secret of how they did it because from what I am seeing lockdown alone wouldn’t be enough. If it was, the UK would surely have been in a similar situation by now but we are not.
The other countries that seem to be coping remarkably well with containing and minimising cases are South Korea (only a handful most days) and of course North Korea who are exempt because they claimed a while back to have zero cases.
Wuhan was in lockdown for over 2 months, 76 days IIRC
Do you think the lockdowns in Europe are anywhere comparable to that in China? When they do a lockdown it means lockdown, nobody allowed on the streets, food delivered to your house etc.
As COVID-19 has up to 20 days for incubation, you need to wait two periods to see where you are and what real impact measures had. China did roughly 4 periods in Wuhan/Hubei.
I do think they had more deaths, e.g. they didn't count those dying at home properly. And maybe did not do autopsies in each case to establish the cause of death.
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I dont know if many people watched this all of the way through. I am no expert. Trouble is its hard to know what to believe.
This guy i found hard to argue with. I go a lot with my gut and feel he is correct on a lot of points about the language used to diminish and divert away from this being mans creation.
One of the most interesting videos i have seen about this virus. Still moulding that seat with my bum on the fence though
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well, we werent toting guns around at least I suppose, but we arent immune to stupidity here
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Only 20 people, their social distancing was on point I assume. And they were probably very polite too.
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