Corona virus - Covid 19 discussion

[dionysus]

Rapid COVID-19 test kits made in Canada approved for use

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[bamberfishcake]

Rapid COVID-19 test kits made in Canada approved for use

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I think that is brilliant news.

The logical next step of widespread testing could be on the way.

 

[Playford7]

Was this at dinner time or bed time??

Bed mate, I’m eating overly late due to the Chinese virus upsetting my routine.

 

[shadow123]

Problem in the UK is that all test kits and possible treatments will have to be perfect, understandable
normally, as there have been many bad mistakes in the past,but they are going to waste so much time
with trial after trial its going to cost a lot of lives.
If I was gasping on a ventilator, I would try anything even if it might kill me instead of the virus.
If the testing kits are only 80% reliable they have to be better than no kits.
In WW2 the Russians turned out tanks that looked dog rough but they thrashed the Germans
super engineered perfect ones.

Sorry I am rambling due to self isolation and my Grosvenor account being suspended.

 

[goatwack]

This dystopian thing's getting a bit wild

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[shadow123]

Can you please stop the food related postings on here, I have been on a bloody diet for 6 bloody weeks
and am bloody starving.

Thanks in advance

 

[bamberfishcake]

Just spoke to a friend whose a site electrician on some Snapchat offices being built in London.

His boss asked him yesterday if he is ready to go back to work next week as they are reopening the site with some restrictions.

He reckons there is a loophole or 'small print' in the governments critical workers list enabling them to get the site running again. It seems his boss is getting pressure from his boss who has probably got pressure from his boss/client to get things completed sooner rather than later.

I said thats easy for them to say as they wont be on site and will be in their Chelsea bubble or Kensington castle. Whats the saying 'shit rolls downhill?'.

I find this unbelievable as the building is not for any critical purpose and he is not a critical worker unless working on critical services. This site, as far as i can tell, is a standard building site, albeit a big and significant one for some money men.

Must admit I couldnt see anything on the gov.uk site that suggested this or would enable such a workaround.

Anybody else heard similar? My pals not going in until he knows more. He is financially stable but what if your not and the boss is putting pressure on you like that. Apparently, when he aired his concern his boss ultimately said 'well i wanted to give you the courtesy of being asked first but i will work down the pecking order now'. Friend said he gave the impression he would be out of a job if he didnt go in.

Edit: Dont know how i missed this glaring piece of information but should i be rubbing my eyes?....does this basically say anybody can travel to work if you cant work from home?

5. I’m not a critical worker and I can’t work from home. What should I do?
If you cannot work from home then you can still travel to work. This is consistent with the Chief Medical Officer’s advice.

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are those who can still take their children to school or childcare. This critical worker definition does not affect whether or not you can travel to work – if you are not a critical worker, you may still travel to work provided you cannot work from home.

Anyone who has symptoms or is in a household where someone has symptoms should not go to work and should self-isolate.

2nd Edit: Ive rubbed my eyes and read it twice plus more. Basically, you can still go to work if you cant work from home. So every building site in the country, as far as i can tell, is allowed to open as long as they are observing social distancing. Good luck with that!

 

[colinsunderland]

Bit of a nice story, 99 year old bloke starts a fund raiser for him to walk round his garden 100 times before his 100th. Wanted to try to raise a grand for the NHS
At the time of writing he has raised, wait for it,

in FOUR days! WTF! Well done to him

 

[mina1929]

Th laws are strict in AU but it has made a big difference

6,400 cases and 61 have died.

Here is a graph from the Australian Government Department of Health site.

 

[mina1929]

Love the bows, so humble as they should be.

Back to Corona quickly and regarding the UK lockdown. I agree there may be some forms of civil unrest if it continues but the question is 'will the health service collapse and deaths spiral out of control if it is lifted?'.

If the answer is no then lockdown must and will continue.

As for vaccines there is something about sticking a needle in and injecting a disease that doesnt quite feel or sound right with me.

I opt out of the flu vaccine myself and decided against it for my kids, going against the common trend and advice from family and friends. I think the best chance for my kids to be healthy is to stay away from modern medicine as much as possible.

I am sure there is tons of evidence to suggest i am wrong but then again there would be if the drug companies want to push their medicines and the fat cats boost economies and generate revenue streams.

Anybody of similar thought for their kids? Do many other countries have the flu vaccine? Kids had the standard ones, just thought the flu jab was a step too far

I was the same, never had the flu so never got the flu shot and was against it. The last two years I had to get the flu shot working in aged care. I didn't get any side affects, sore arm or symptoms of flu so I was ok but others complained.

I still don't agree how they try to talk people into taking flu shots especially the ones that don't suffer from the flu.

If you're young and healthy just stick to vitamins and only take antibiotics if really necessary. I was brought up on herbal teas, good healthy home cooked meals. Lots of chicken noodle soup

 

[bamberfishcake]

Lots of chicken noodle soup

Aaahhh yes,the miracle that is chicken noodle soup.

Now there is something i must try on the kids.

Dont suppose you have a not so secret family recipe, rather than me trial and error a few?

 

[Harry_BKK]

Aaahhh yes,the miracle that is chicken noodle soup.

Now there is something i must try on the kids.

Dont suppose you have a not so secret family recipe, rather than me trial and error a few?

Grandma's Chicken Soup

Anytime someone in my family was sick, my mum or my grandma would send my grandpa to the chicken coop with the words: "Get me an old hen".

Apparently, the older the more fat they accumulate which makes the soup healthier.

Wash it well and put the entire chicken into a pot with hot water. Get it to a boil for 2-3 minutes, stop, empty and clean the pot. Rinse the chicken as well.

Place the chicken into the pot and fill it with hot water until the chicken is covered by about 1 inch. Add a teaspoon full of peppercorns, roughly cut (1-inch pieces) of peeled carrots, leek or onion and fennel.

Let it slow cook/simmer for 2 hours. You will observe some foam building at the top, remove it every 15-20 minutes for the first hour.

Pour the soup through a fine sieve

Add salt and let it simmer without anything for another 20 minutes, pour again through the sieve

You should have now a crystal clear yellowish broth.

Drink the broth by itself or add cut pieces of the chicken, carrots and fennel to the soup. Take some fresh lovage or parsley leaves, cut them into rough pieces and add on top. You can also cook some noodles on the side and add them to the soup if you want.

After having the very hot soup, get into bed and cover yourself well with one or two blankets. Sweat like hell and you'll feel much better after you wake up.

Helped me every time I had a cold in my life. Still do it today, although it is now often an instant soup you buy from the shelf.

EDIT: Disclaimer - I have not cooked it for years, even decades, and the instructions are from my memory which is often not much better than a sieve. Hence, I am not taking any responsibility if it won't taste good.

 

[Mr_Slot5]

2nd Edit: Ive rubbed my eyes and read it twice plus more. Basically, you can still go to work if you cant work from home. So every building site in the country, as far as i can tell, is allowed to open as long as they are observing social distancing. Good luck with that!

Yes our 'lockdown' is a bit of a joke and will probably result in cases not falling low enough to even lift restrictions without a massive surge again.

 

[mina1929]

Aaahhh yes,the miracle that is chicken noodle soup.

Now there is something i must try on the kids.

Dont suppose you have a not so secret family recipe, rather than me trial and error a few?

A pot of water, cook chicken pieces, add carrots, parsnip, celery, onion, Vegeta stock and last home made pasta or buy it ( that's mum's basic soup) Its the broth that is the best as all the veggies vitamins are in it

You can add more to it or not but the Vegeta gives it a nice taste and does not need salt.

 

[mina1929]

Grandma's Chicken Soup

Anytime someone in my family was sick, my mum or my grandma would send my grandpa to the chicken coop with the words: "Get me an old hen".

Apparently, the older the more fat they accumulate which makes the soup healthier.

Wash it well and put the entire chicken into a pot with hot water. Get it to a boil for 2-3 minutes, stop, empty and clean the pot. Rinse the chicken as well.

Place the chicken into the pot and fill it with hot water until the chicken is covered by about 1 inch. Add a teaspoon full of peppercorns, roughly cut (1-inch pieces) of peeled carrots, leek or onion and fennel.

Let it slow cook/simmer for 2 hours. You will observe some foam building at the top, remove it every 15-20 minutes for the first hour.

Pour the soup through a fine sieve

Add salt and let it simmer without anything for another 20 minutes, pour again through the sieve

You should have now a crystal clear yellowish broth.

Drink the broth by itself or add cut pieces of the chicken, carrots and fennel to the soup. Take some fresh lovage or parsley leaves, cut them into rough pieces and add on top. You can also cook some noodles on the side and add them to the soup if you want.

After having the very hot soup, get into bed and cover yourself well with one or two blankets. Sweat like hell and you'll feel much better after you wake up.

Helped me every time I had a cold in my life. Still do it today, although it is now often an instant soup you buy from the shelf.

EDIT: Disclaimer - I have not cooked it for years, even decades, and the instructions are from my memory which is often not much better than a sieve. Hence, I am not taking any responsibility if it won't taste good.

Homemade chicken soup is the best of course

In the cold days of winter mum would boil white wine and gave it to us to drink in a little cup and it used to warm all your body from tip to toe. Alcohol was all gone after boiling, I think

 

[irish-ranger]

Yes our 'lockdown' is a bit of a joke and will probably result in cases not falling low enough to even lift restrictions without a massive surge again.

Well we are currently going thru the peak of the surge in N.Ireland 2 weeks ago their were predicting 15.000 deaths the current figure stands at 134 and 1671 confirmed cases.
So to hit the 15.000 something would seriously would need to go wrong and I wonder how many of these 134 actually had the virus as post-mortems aren’t being carried out and as we know a big percentage of elderly people die with problems related to respiratory conditions.
I honestly think a lot of these figures are being completely blown out of proportion when’s the last time we heard of someone passing away thru natural causes (in hospital).

 

[ternur]

Homemade chicken soup is the best of course

In the cold days of winter mum would boil white wine and gave it to us to drink in a little cup and it used to warm all your body from tip to toe. Alcohol was all gone after boiling, I think

This is something we all need to careful about. Be it Irish Coffee, Glühwein or any other beverage with a hot ingredient, there's just something inherently wrong if your alcohol gets burned off.

Stay safe people, don't misuse alcohol

 

[Kroffe]

Aaahhh yes,the miracle that is chicken noodle soup.

Now there is something i must try on the kids.

Dont suppose you have a not so secret family recipe, rather than me trial and error a few?

I know this self-isolating thing can make the mind go to some crazy places..
But please Bambi, dont turn your kids into chicken noodle soup.
No matter what you see, your kids are NOT chickens.

 

[mina1929]

This is something we all need to careful about. Be it Irish Coffee, Glühwein or any other beverage with a hot ingredient, there's just something inherently wrong if your alcohol gets burned off.

Stay safe people, don't misuse alcohol

I don't want my alcohol to be burnt off now, that would be a disaster

 

[interlog]

2nd Edit: Ive rubbed my eyes and read it twice plus more. Basically, you can still go to work if you cant work from home. So every building site in the country, as far as i can tell, is allowed to open as long as they are observing social distancing. Good luck with that!

Yes, that has always been the case. If you can't work from home and the business that you work for hasn't been forced closed by the Government, then your employer can carry on as normal and expect you to go to work. Social distancing should be put in place of course.

Some weeks ago when the lockdown first started there was a big discussion about the construction industry and whether that should be forced closed too by the Government.

Unfortunately, you can't have the whole economy coming to a standstill. It is already, economy wise, bad enough as it is.

 

[ternur]

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One has to question the utopia of endless economic growth in a planet with limited resources though.

 

[dionysus]

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[mack341]

dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8211291/U-S-government-gave-3-7million-grant-Wuhan-lab-experimented-coronavirus-source-bats.html


REVEALED: U.S. government gave $3.7million grant to Wuhan lab at center of coronavirus leak scrutiny that was performing experiments on bats from the caves where the disease is believed to have originated

• The US National Institutes of Health, a government agency, awarded a $3.7million research grant to the Wuhan Institute of Virology
• The lab is the center of several conspiracy theories that suggest it is the original source of the coronavirus outbreak
• The institute experimented on bats from the source of the coronavirus
• They were captured more than 1,000 miles away in Yunnan
• Sequencing of the Covid-19 genome has traced it to bats to Yunnan's caves
• The U.S. government funded research on coronavirus transmission in the lab over the past decade

Interesting parts to me:

The revelation that the Wuhan Institute was experimenting on bats from the area already known to be the source of COVID-19 - and doing so with American money - has sparked further fears that the lab, and not the market, is the original outbreak source.

According to documents obtained by The Mail on Sunday, scientists there experimented on bats as part of a project funded by the US National Institutes of Health, which continues to licence the Wuhan laboratory to receive American money for experiments.

As part of the NIH research at the institute, scientists grew a coronavirus in a lab and injected it into three-day-old piglets.

A second institute in the city, the Wuhan Centre for Disease Control – which is barely three miles from the market – is also believed to have carried out experiments on animals such as bats to examine the transmission of coronaviruses.

While scientists believe that the virus jumped to humans from wild animals sold as food in a market in Wuhan, conspiracy theorists promote different assumptions. [but why now and not before if the markets have been selling wild animals including bats for years?]

American biosecurity expert Professor Richard Ebright, of Rutgers University's Waksman Institute of Microbiology, New Jersey, said that while the evidence suggests COVID-19 was not created in one of the Wuhan laboratories, it could easily have escaped from there while it was being analyzed.

Prof Ebright said he has seen evidence that scientists at the Centre for Disease Control and the Institute of Virology studied the viruses with only 'level 2' security – rather than the recommended level 4 – which 'provides only minimal protections against infection of lab workers'.

He added: 'Virus collection, culture, isolation, or animal infection would pose a substantial risk of infection of a lab worker, and from the lab worker then the public.'

He concluded that the evidence left 'a basis to rule out [that coronavirus is] a lab construct, but no basis to rule out a lab accident'. [interesting that the 'lab created' virus possibility was even considered by him]

Results of the U.S-funded research at the Wuhan Institute were published in November 2017 under the heading: 'Discovery of a rich gene pool of bat SARS-related coronaviruses provides new insights into the origin of SARS coronavirus.'

The exercise was summarized as: 'Bats in a cave in Yunnan, China were captured and sampled for coronaviruses used for lab experiments.

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coincidence---->wetmarket, people eating wild animals that had some contact with the bats, or eating the affected bats directly.

conspiracy----->virus created and deliberately released, this would need a motive, possibly crash the world economy, bill gates world vaccine plans, ID2020 etc...

cockup----->accident in lab led to virus spreading outside to nearby locals

These seem to be the three options.

[ I've just downloaded that movie soylent green, a film paints an even more disturbing future

]

 

[dionysus]

I'm not a Brit but isnt the dailymail a tabloid, with near to no reliability?

 

[Kroffe]

I'm not a Brit but isnt the dailymail a tabloid, with near to no reliability?

"Consensus has determined that the Daily Mail (including its online version, dailymail.co.uk) is generally unreliable, and its use as a reference is to be generally prohibited, especially when other more reliable sources exist."

Atleast wikipedia thinks so.
But i heard from a reliable source that wikipedia is corrupt and part of the conspiracy.

 

[bamberfishcake]

Grandma's Chicken Soup

A pot of water, cook chicken pieces, add carrots, parsnip, celery, onion, Vegeta stock and last home made pasta or buy it ( that's mum's basic soup) Its the broth that is the best as all the veggies vitamins are in it

Thanks for these. I will try both soon

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One has to question the utopia of endless economic growth in a planet with limited resources though.

So true. Continual growth is just not possible and the bubble has to burst. The drive for improvement on figures year on year breeds lies, corruption and lowers the quality of service/product. Ultimately, failing the purpose.

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Amen to that.

Nobody needs a semi automatic or rocket launcher to protect their property. Americas not Somalia. Another example of money over mankind.

REVEALED: U.S. government gave $3.7million grant to Wuhan lab at center of coronavirus leak scrutiny that was performing experiments on bats from the caves where the disease is believed to have originated

[ I've just downloaded that movie soylent green, a film paints an even more disturbing future

]

Interesting stuff. Afraid we will probably never know the truth.

Soylent Green is a classic. Surprised its not been remade to be honest.

 

[Borgie]

Soylent green. Charlton Heston.. love love. Great film.

 

[mack341]

"Consensus has determined that the Daily Mail (including its online version, dailymail.co.uk) is generally unreliable, and its use as a reference is to be generally prohibited, especially when other more reliable sources exist."

Atleast wikipedia thinks so.
But i heard from a reliable source that wikipedia is corrupt and part of the conspiracy.

from wikipedia:

Is Wikipedia a reliable source?

Wikipedia is not a reliable source. Wikipedia can be edited by anyone at any time. This means that any information it contains at any particular time could be vandalism, a work in progress, or just plain wrong. ... Wikipedia generally uses reliable secondary sources, which vet data from primary sources.

Articles are only as good as the editors who have been editing them—their interests, education and background—and the efforts they have put into a particular topic or article. Since we try to avoid original research, a particular article may only be as good as (a) the available and discovered reliable sources, and (b) the subject matter may allow.

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The dailymail is all over the shop, it will occasionally raise the topic of something, like my post above, that other newspapers will not, also it's not behind a paywall, so needs as big a readership as possible for the adverts etc...they have pro and anti trump articles for example, pro brexit and anti brexit. They've cornered the market a bit with their online site, you frequently see comments under articles from US citizens, and they even have a US news/articles focused edition.

 

[mack341]

I'm not a Brit but isnt the dailymail a tabloid, with near to no reliability?

It's known as a middle market paper, the sun and mirror are the classic tabloids in the uk. middle england reads it, I wouldn't say it has 'near to no reliability' it uses sourced material. I don't trust it overall however as it's still a major part of the msm, but it is useful to access a broad range of articles and news updates.

edit: It does tend towards sensationalism more and more these days, I suppose that's the clickbait journalism model for the internet they've chosen to go down.

 

[paul7388]

Aaahhh yes,the miracle that is chicken noodle soup.

Now there is something i must try on the kids.

Dont suppose you have a not so secret family recipe, rather than me trial and error a few?

Yeah buy a tin of it. Then open it.

Heat it on a cooker for couple of minutes or stick it in microwave for couple minutes.

Then pour into bowl add loads of salt and pepper and have several slices buttered bread to dip in.

So simple really. Who needs cook with Playford.

 

[Kroffe]

from wikipedia:

Is Wikipedia a reliable source?

Wikipedia is not a reliable source. Wikipedia can be edited by anyone at any time. This means that any information it contains at any particular time could be vandalism, a work in progress, or just plain wrong. ... Wikipedia generally uses reliable secondary sources, which vet data from primary sources.

Articles are only as good as the editors who have been editing them—their interests, education and background—and the efforts they have put into a particular topic or article. Since we try to avoid original research, a particular article may only be as good as (a) the available and discovered reliable sources, and (b) the subject matter may allow.

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The dailymail is all over the shop, it will occasionally raise the topic of something, like my post above, that other newspapers will not, also it's not behind a paywall, so needs as big a readership as possible for the adverts etc...they have pro and anti trump articles for example, pro brexit and anti brexit. They've cornered the market a bit with their online site, you frequently see comments under articles from US citizens, and they even have a US news/articles focused edition.

It aint just Wiki.

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[Kroffe]

Yeah buy a tin of it. Then open it.

Heat it on a cooker for couple of minutes or stick it in microwave for couple minutes.

Then pour into bowl add loads of salt and pepper and have several slices buttered bread to dip in.

So simple really. Who needs cook with Playford.

Look at Richy Mcmoneybags over here,,
I can only dream of affording the noodle soup that comes in a tin.

 

[mack341]

It aint just Wiki.

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I would be interested to know which publications they rate as 'very high' or 'high' regarding the category of 'factual reporting' any way to find that out?

 

[Harry_BKK]

Thanks for these. I will try both soon

We usually had the soup only with homemade eggnoodles which looked like these below.

The meat and the veggies were often used to make a salad:

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We never used beef or potatoes though and the mayonnaise was self-made.

 

[Harry_BKK]

@mack341 This if for you

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Just like the first trial that reported positive results, this study is still quite anecdotal but at least has been carried out in a professional manner.

Unfortunate TBH as it would have been great to have such a commonly available and cheap drug as a cure.

Question is now, what will be Mr T's next "game changer"?

 

[Kroffe]

I would be interested to know which publications they rate as 'very high' or 'high' regarding the category of 'factual reporting' any way to find that out?

You can do a filtered search.
These showed up as "very high" for uk.

 

[mack341]

@mack341 This if for you

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Just like the first trial that reported positive results, this study is still quite anecdotal but at least has been carried out in a professional manner.

Unfortunate TBH as it would have been great to have such a commonly available and cheap drug as a cure.

Question is now, what will be Mr T's next "game changer"?

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Efficacy of hydroxychloroquine in patients with COVID-19: results of a randomized clinical trial

But for TTCR, the body temperature recovery time and the cough remission time were significantly shortened in the HCQ treatment group. Besides, a larger proportion of patients with improved pneumonia in the HCQ treatment group (80.6%, 25 of 31) compared with the control group (54.8%, 17 of 31)

Time to clinical recovery (TTCR)

Significance: Among patients with COVID-19, the use of HCQ could significantly shorten TTCR and promote the absorption of pneumonia.

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I think there will be more back and forth trial results, the french professor advised it's use early alongside an antibiotic, subsequent trials aren't testing this, so you know it wouldn't be right to say he's been proved wrong.

In vitro studies have shown it effective against covid 19 and the previous SARS virus, so I'd like to see big pharma explain why that effect doesn't carry over into patients.

If it's no good then Plasma treatment seems to be showing a lot of promise, hopefully that can be rolled out as well.

 

[Slottery]

I only trust 5G theory, all other speculation is pointless :axeman2:

 

[mina1929]

Yeah buy a tin of it. Then open it.

Heat it on a cooker for couple of minutes or stick it in microwave for couple minutes.

Then pour into bowl add loads of salt and pepper and have several slices buttered bread to dip in.

So simple really. Who needs cook with Playford.

That's bad soup in a can but I must admit some brands a pretty good especially tomato soup

With this lock-down people can actually learn to cook. Ben cooks most his meals, be like Ben

 

[mina1929]

We usually had the soup only with homemade eggnoodles which looked like these below.

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The meat and the veggies were often used to make a salad:

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We never used beef or potatoes though and the mayonnaise was self-made.

Mum used to buy the same pasta as above when she got too old to make her own.

With the chicken soup she used to take out the chicken after it was cooked crumbed them and fried it with home made chips on the side.

 

[pinnit2014]

That's bad soup in a can but I must admit some brands a pretty good especially tomato soup

With this lock-down people can actually learn to cook. Ben cooks most his meals, be like Ben

You should try these; they’re, er, delicious....

Spoiler; they aren’t tasty and scummy has been replaced with scrummy.

 

[paul7388]

That's bad soup in a can but I must admit some brands a pretty good especially tomato soup

With this lock-down people can actually learn to cook. Ben cooks most his meals, be like Ben

Have you actually saw Ben's cooking.

Thanks but think I will stick to a tin or takeaway . Safer lol.

 

[mina1929]

Have you actually saw Ben's cooking.

Thanks but think I will stick to a tin or takeaway . Safer lol.

You're going to hurt his feelings now

His cooking is fine especially his Chinese food

 

[paul7388]

You're going to hurt his feelings now

His cooking is fine especially his Chinese food

I will be making a lovely Chinese tonight.

Maybe I will post a photo if It stays on the plate long enough.

 

[ternur]

The OP of this thread posted yesterday (I think) that he's on a diet and doesn't like food posts in the thread.

Community answer: Nothing but food posts Hang tough @shadow123 --- people are hungry and bored.

 

[mina1929]

I will be making a lovely Chinese tonight.

Maybe I will post a photo if It stays on the plate long enough.

Please do

 

[Slottery]

Happy thing here in Malta is that traffic is reduced a lot so delivery services are extreme fast, now huge competition between, Bolt, Wolt, Time to Eat, Delivey, Malta Menu and probably some others, also many taxi companies offer to deliver what ever fitting to their cards, just contact them and advise what you need and negotiate price

Not really big fan of cooking and then me and my flatmate have totally different rhythm, he is wake on night times and i day times so cooking for us don't sound so fancy that i would start it. Getting all ingredients would take so much effort and money that warm food i eat is delivered from somewhere. Trying to avoid pizzas, burgers and other really fatty things, fish, salads, asian, "home cooked food" etc... is happily easy to reach, amount of delivery places is huge and as here's no tourists now, really fast. Also walking to pick up orders from nearby is nice bit fresh air, can combine some kilometers walk and pick up food on your way back.

 

[shadow123]

Hard to believe I started this thread about only 11 weeks ago when the virus was just emerging in a far
land and no one really knew anything about it and no one was really concerned, including me but
i did have a feeling it was a bit different.Now half the world is in lockdown,desperate for a vaccine
and when its finally sorted we will have the worst recession for some say centuries to look foward
to, all down to a chinese bat and an invisible monster.Who would have thought it possible at xmas?

 

[mina1929]

I had a text from work that we are getting our flu shot next week and it is mandatory that all staff get it

 

[shadow123]

Sounds a bit late, they do them in sept/oct in the UK ready for the flu season, are they hoping it does something to protect against coronavirus,think I would be asking questions before I let them stab me