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In mid 2011, the foundation stated that they had committed more than $265 million to the water, sanitation, and hygiene sector over the past five years, i.e. since about 2006. For the time period of about 2008 to mid-2015, all grants awarded to water, sanitation and hygiene projects totaled a value of around $650 million, according to the publicly available grant database.

Clean water, hygiene, nutrition + economic development is pretty much the main points of what the Gates foundation have been, and are doing.
But since vaccines are involved (and has been since 2000, nothing new) that makes him some sort of vaccine-forcing boogeyman?

Sure, the bodys immune system is not bad at what its doing.
But whats so wrong with "improving on nature" as you called it.

Thats what basically all medicine and alot of other things are, right?
So if we find a medicine preventing things like parkinson, alzheimers etc we should not use it because its nature wants us to to have those diseases?
People with bad eyesight should stop using lenses and glasses because nature wants them to have shitty vision.

Are you bill's swedish nephew by any chance :p

Most adults have the choice to take a medicine, if Bill and melinda want to develop a vaccine and offer it to people - no problem. But if the uk govt say you must have it, and make a law to override my personal choice on the matter then I take issue with that.

I was quoting one of the kennedy sons re Gates approach/focus on vaccines ahead of other ways to improve health, I took it a man of his standing would've done a bit of research on the issue before posting publicly on twitter. And I think he has.

On his feed there was a link to an article on the 'children's health defense' website, of which he is the chairman and senior attorney for their cases they bring.

Gates’ Globalist Vaccine Agenda: A Win-Win for Pharma and Mandatory Vaccination
[btw kennedy is a democrat]
By Robert F. Kennedy Jr., Chairman, Children’s Health Defense

Vaccines, for Bill Gates, are a strategic philanthropy that feed his many vaccine-related businesses (including Microsoft’s ambition to control a
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) and give him dictatorial control of global health policy.

Gates’ obsession with vaccines seems to be fueled by a conviction to save the world with technology.

Promising
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of $1.2 billion to eradicate Polio, Gates took control of India’s National Technical Advisory Group on Immunization (NTAGI) which mandated up to
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(Table 1) of polio vaccines through
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to children before the age of five. Indian doctors blame the Gates campaign for a devastating
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children beyond expected rates between 2000 and 2017. In 2017, the Indian government dialed back Gates’ vaccine regimen and
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and his vaccine policies to leave India. NPAFP rates dropped precipitously.

In 2017, the World Health Organization (WHO) reluctantly admitted that the global explosion in polio is
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. The most frightening epidemics in
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, and the
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are all linked to vaccines. In fact, by 2018,
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were vaccine strain.

In 2014, the Gates Foundation funded tests of experimental HPV vaccines, developed by Glaxo Smith Kline (GSK) and Merck, on
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in remote Indian provinces. Approximately
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, including autoimmune and fertility disorders.
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. Indian government investigations charged that Gates-funded researchers committed
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: pressuring vulnerable village girls into the trial, bullying parents, forging consent forms, and refusing medical care to the injured girls. The case is now in the country’s Supreme Court.

In 2010, the Gates Foundation funded a phase 3 trial of GSK’s experimental malaria vaccine,
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and causing serious adverse effects including paralysis, seizure, and febrile convulsions to
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During Gates’ 2002 MenAfriVac campaign in Sub-Saharan Africa, Gates’ operatives forcibly vaccinated thousands of African children against meningitis.
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. South African newspapers complained, “
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.” Nelson Mandela’s former Senior Economist, Professor Patrick Bond, describes Gates’ philanthropic practices as “
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(Morgenson et. al. 2017) showed that WHO’s popular DTP vaccine is killing more African children than the diseases it prevents. DTP-vaccinated girls suffered 10x the death rate of children who had not yet received the vaccine. WHO has refused to recall the lethal vaccine which it forces upon tens of millions of African children annually.

Global public health advocates around the world accuse Gates of steering WHO’s agenda away from the projects that are proven to curb infectious diseases: clean water, hygiene, nutrition, and economic development. The Gates Foundation only spends about
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on these areas.
They say he has diverted agency resources to serve his personal philosophy that good health only comes in a syringe.

In addition to using his philanthropy to control WHO, UNICEF, GAVI, and PATH, Gates funds
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that manufactures vaccines, and additionally is donating $50 million to
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to speed up development of a coronavirus vaccine. In his
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, Gates appears confident that the Covid-19 crisis will now give him the opportunity to force his dictatorial vaccine programs on American children.

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Here is the link for the article:

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And two quick videos if you can't be assed to read the above, but not often a kennedy scion gets a full article repost on casinomeister so nice to for me to have that honor. [hoping he doesn't mind any copyright infringement :eek2: ]

I think it's sensible to keep an open mind on changes in society; forced vaccination for adults is something we've never done before afaik in the UK, then you have the 5G wireless system, chip implants under the skin that many swedes choose to get etc...the full consequences of these changes may not be realised at the outset.



 


Robert f Kennedy jr is anti-vaccinations, so its not he is unbiased in this.
Wasnt he the one that responsible for like all anti-vax ads on facebook before they decided to stop the crazyness?

Honestly cant be bothered with sites like this one.

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Just the other day someone was accusing borgi of posting the "scare porn" that the horrible mainstream media has brainwashed her with.
Only to later post this pic, saying he was scared of vaccines.


You think that picture is based on logic, or have they twisted the words to make non-scary things sound super scary.

I posted yesterday about how Formaldehyde the "OMG SCARY TOXIC CHEMICAL USED FOR EMBALMING"
exists in a variety of foods, and is produced by the body.

So today is alumnium i guess.
" No reports of dietary aluminum toxicity to healthy individuals exist in the literature. Aluminum can be neurotoxic, when injected directly into the brains of animals and when accidentally introduced into human brains (by dialysis or shrapnel) "
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Yes, toxic to the brain, if injected straight into the brain.
Been a while since i got a vaccine now, but i think they gave me a shot in the arm and not the brain.
Maybe i just got lucky, or maybe someone has been brainwashed by anti-vax scareporn. (not you mack)
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We obviously have differing opinions on this.
And Anti-vax is about the only topic getting me riled up enough to bring out Keanu, and i honestly dont have the energy for another bout after the one in the nature documentary thread.

Nobody is forcing anybody to "improve on nature"
Everybody who wants to are free to go live in a cave and ignore all the improvements offered by a modern society. Be it the brainwashing 5g signals, the autism-causing vaccines, or whatever one wishes to avoid.
You dont even have to live in a cave, you can just avoid it from home.

That a known anti-vaxxer (John f kennedy jr) would have issues with someone thinking vaccines are a good thing does not suprise me at all.
Thats kind of their thing.
And that man, John f kennedy jr has spread that kind of "enlighted" knowledge on facebook, wich we know is where all the best and brighest get all their information, causing even more people to become scared of such things as formaldehyde and aluminium.

"A man of his his standing"
Like that has anything to do with anything.
Based on Tom cruises standing im guessing he has done research about scientology and thats the reason hes involved with them, not because he is crazy.

Just because someone is a public figure does not mean they cant be crazy.
It does make more people listen to them, unfortunately.

I have discussed it with Keanu, and we both agreed we did not have the energy for another anti-vax discussion. There is enough crazy going on right now without diving into the world of anti-vax.

Im afraid we will have to agree to disagree on this

 
Most are still sleeping. :D

About 7:30 AM in Europe now, 6:30 AM in the UK.
Wow, i was just getting my summong circle ready, so i could tag you in for the anti-vax discussion since me and Keanu dont have the energy (Actually its mostly me, Keanu has endless amounts of energy)

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Guess it kind of worked since you are here.
Tag, You're it!
 
@mack341
Saw this.
Different Kennedys have different opinions regardind vaccines.
Not saying pro-vaccine kennedys are less crazy than anti-vax kennedys, more about how their standing does not really mean anything.
Harry asked me to post this, so any further discussion will have to go thru him.

Hope you have a happy easter.
Dont forget to eat chocolate.

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"A man of his his standing"
Like that has anything to do with anything.

Well I wrote that for two reasons, one I haven't cross checked everything in that article, as I am not a scientist, and hope with his harvard education, law qualifications and family background, that RFK jr would not post unresearched opinion/information. His standing is relevant in so much that a public figure's opinions/articles are open to far more scrutiny than the average joe. [Bill Gates could sue him for one]

One of the possibilities I drew from that article is the vaccine industry and big pharma in general, with the cooperation of govts that don't care or are corruptible, are using third world children/adults as low cost guinea pigs in drug trials which may then cause them serious side effects.

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Just because somebody is sceptical regarding vaccines or an anti-vaxxer as you put it, surely that doesn't mean they should be automatically deemed 'crazy', and then censored as a result, with no freedom to speak on the issue/topic.

JFK is also keen on environmental issues, and is president of the 'waterkeeper alliance', with your interest in fishing I would've thought his work to protect rivers would be something at least you'd approve of and not the action of an entirely crazy man?

Edit: I'm glad Keanu was able to join us again in debate :) :p
 
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Well I wrote that for two reasons, one I haven't cross checked everything in that article, as I am not a scientist, and hope with his harvard education, law qualifications and family background, that RFK jr would not post unresearched opinion/information. His standing is relevant in so much that a public figure's opinions/articles are open to far more scrutiny than the average joe. [Bill Gates could sue him for one]

One of the possibilities I drew from that article is the vaccine industry and big pharma in general, with the cooperation of govts that don't care or are corruptible, are using third world children/adults as low cost guinea pigs in drug trials which may then cause them serious side effects.

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Just because somebody is sceptical regarding vaccines or an anti-vaxxer as you put it, surely that doesn't mean they should be automatically deemed 'crazy', and then censored as a result, with no freedom to speak on the issue/topic.

JFK is also keen on environmental issues, and is president of the 'waterkeeper alliance', with your interest in fishing I would've thought his work to protect rivers would be something at least you'd approve of and not the action of an entirely crazy man?

Edit: I'm glad Keanu was able to join us again in debate :) :p
There a pretty big leap, at least for me, between being "sceptical about vaccines" and running misinformation campaigns on facebook about debunked claims.
The latter being quite dangerous, and have probably caused people to die needlessly.

Of course i can still think he is a total nutter even if i agree with his work to protect rivers.
Crazy people are not incapable of doing good things.
 
I get in big trouble when I post things like this but I think it is good that we see real people going through this as it helps us appreciate why the restrictions are in place and how the virus can affect anyone not just the elderly and sick.

Why you get in trouble for posting your opinions, thoughts, ideas what ever. I read most posts might not agree and agree on some but that's life and we're all different luckily lol
 
And you seriously don't bother to check or research what is in vaccines? I am very concerned when I research about them and what is in them, the vaccine injury fund that pays out is over 4.1 billion, this is just only a partial list of ingredients, your line in the sand is drawn and so is mine, so let's just leave it at that, conversing with you and certain others just brings negative energy, encourages negative posts, which does not help anyones immune system in these current times.

This seems to be a good site about vaccines:

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Grief tourists will soon run out of content. This lockdown will be over before May ends.

Them can we have a recession and depression thread as large numbers on furlough when businesses open back up get sacked.

You know the biggest crime is people with real diseases are being forgotten. I have a friend who been diagnosed with cancer just before this covid and they had appointments cancelled and zero help since this as they're told to stay away.
 
Some professor says the true death figures for the uk may be up to twice that being admitted
due to not counting those that happen in the community and care homes which is ridiculous,
a death is a death wherever it happens.
Fraid my faith in this government is being eroded, its getting too politized, for gods sakes tell
the people the truth,the least you can do as most of us are complying with the lockdown.
Boris is out of hospital which is good but has to rest before resuming duties, hopefully he will
bang some heads together when he can take charge again.
 
Some professor says the true death figures for the uk may be up to twice that being admitted
due to not counting those that happen in the community and care homes which is ridiculous,
a death is a death wherever it happens.
Fraid my faith in this government is being eroded, its getting too politized, for gods sakes tell
the people the truth,the least you can do as most of us are complying with the lockdown.
Boris is out of hospital which is good but has to rest before resuming duties, hopefully he will
bang some heads together when he can take charge again.

Seriously the government has done as well as they could in the circumstances.

And a lot of deaths in hospitals would have still happened through serious illnesses but some are just being classed as coronavirus.

I get you are afraid of this virus but slating the government all the time is not great. It is something they are having to deal with daily and doing their best to do the right thing following the advice they are getting.

But yeah hopefully Boris will do the right thing. Ease the lockdown by beginning of May since hospitals are in no way overflowing above capacity.

Hopefully he will listen to advice and start lifting some bits of the lockdown. Allowing shops etc. to open again and letting people have a bit more freedom of movement. If not things will get a lot worse for this country than the virus will have caused.

This virus could be around all year do you seriously think the country should stay in lockdown for that length of time.
 
There a pretty big leap, at least for me, between being "sceptical about vaccines" and running misinformation campaigns on facebook about debunked claims.
The latter being quite dangerous, and have probably caused people to die needlessly.

Of course i can still think he is a total nutter even if i agree with his work to protect rivers.
Crazy people are not incapable of doing good things.

I can't comment on this facebook 'misinformation' campaign RFK jr carried out as I haven't seen the adverts he ran.

I think it may be 'crazy' to carry out all these 12 vaccinations below before a child is four, involving a total number of 100 doses, and not expect to see some adverse effects, perhaps later on. [this is based on Texas state's minimum requirements ]

  • DTaP: Diphtheria, tetanus, and acellular pertussis (whooping cough)
  • Polio: IPV - inactivated polio vaccine; OPV – oral polio vaccine
  • HepB: Hepatitis B vaccine
  • Hib: Haemophilus influenzae type b vaccine
  • PCV: Pneumococcal conjugate vaccine
  • MMR: Measles, mumps, and rubella vaccines combined
  • Varicella: Chickenpox vaccine.
  • HepA: Hepatitis A vaccine
[The global revenue for vaccines is now $59,000,000,000]

I've taken up enough space in this thread regarding vaccines, so I shall post a fuller reply in the NK thread :cool:
hopefully later on tonight [not another long post mind you :oops: ]
 
Seriously the government has done as well as they could in the circumstances.

And a lot of deaths in hospitals would have still happened through serious illnesses but some are just being classed as coronavirus.

I get you are afraid of this virus but slating the government all the time is not great. It is something they are having to deal with daily and doing their best to do the right thing following the advice they are getting.

But yeah hopefully Boris will do the right thing. Ease the lockdown by beginning of May since hospitals are in no way overflowing above capacity.

Hopefully he will listen to advice and start lifting some bits of the lockdown. Allowing shops etc. to open again and letting people have a bit more freedom of movement. If not things will get a lot worse for this country than the virus will have caused.

This virus could be around all year do you seriously think the country should stay in lockdown for that length of time.

I know its a difficult situation for the government but there is no excuse for ignoring deaths which are certainly
happenning, its an insult to those who have lost loved ones apart from anything else.
I have no idea what the end game is for this epedemic,ending or relaxing the lockdown cannot even
be considered until a proper testing regime is in place and we dont seem to be anywhere near that yet.
I am not knocking the government and hope they can sort it but I think an awful lot could be learnt from
countries like South Korea that have managed to contain the virus.

As for being afraid of the virus, yes I am as everyone should be,it is a good defence.
I have a wife who, if she catches it will die, full stop which makes me even more afraid.
 
Some professor says the true death figures for the uk may be up to twice that being admitted
due to not counting those that happen in the community and care homes which is ridiculous,
a death is a death wherever it happens.
Fraid my faith in this government is being eroded, its getting too politized, for gods sakes tell
the people the truth,the least you can do as most of us are complying with the lockdown.
Boris is out of hospital which is good but has to rest before resuming duties, hopefully he will
bang some heads together when he can take charge again.

They're too embarrassed as it makes it look their handling of the crisis was inept. I read a BBC article earlier, quoting a minister or scientist, to say the UK may in the end have the biggest death toll in Europe. How can they explain that without admitting the response/handling has not been up to scratch overall, e.g lack of testing and ppe etc...better planning and more hospital beds could have led to less deaths.

The NHS funding and management will need to go under the spotlight again I feel, too much waste on admin, when we need more nurses and doctors, get the waiting lists down and access to critical treatments up. So we end up with a health system performance on par with france and germany's. [the rank I have just seen has the uk at 18 and france at number 1, we should be aiming to be in the top 10 at least]
 
Seriously the government has done as well as they could in the circumstances.

And a lot of deaths in hospitals would have still happened through serious illnesses but some are just being classed as coronavirus.

I get you are afraid of this virus but slating the government all the time is not great. It is something they are having to deal with daily and doing their best to do the right thing following the advice they are getting.

But yeah hopefully Boris will do the right thing. Ease the lockdown by beginning of May since hospitals are in no way overflowing above capacity.

Hopefully he will listen to advice and start lifting some bits of the lockdown. Allowing shops etc. to open again and letting people have a bit more freedom of movement. If not things will get a lot worse for this country than the virus will have caused.

This virus could be around all year do you seriously think the country should stay in lockdown for that length of time.

I think May will start to see some of the restrictions lifted but not all. They will do it gradually. I suspect schools will be last to return which could be problematic for some.

The hospitals are not all overflowing but they are still having to use the nightingale. London is hard hit .

The lockdown will have helped overall with hospitals.
The virus was never going away.
The plan was to flatten the curve to prevent the hospitals being overrun .

Norway are starting to lift bits of their lockdown from Monday. Will be interesting to see how it goes. They were never as bad as UK though.
 
This seems to be a good site about vaccines:

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I found a site with a comprehensive list of the dangers, you will see some of the ingredients are many many times above what the CDC themselves says is safe, and it is a fact that inserts on vaccines say can cause injury or death, show me any organic or healthy food or natural immune boosting food, or anything mother nature gives us that says can cause death on the label.

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He said to meet him in the nature documentary thread.
Come unarmed, but clothed.
Good luck.

Tough to see anything at all at the moment as I am still getting the "pleasant multi-banner treatment". And for some reason somebody thinks I like them so much and made sure the block appears now often twice and even three times on every page. :rolleyes:

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Tough to see anything at all at the moment as I am still getting the "pleasant multi-banner treatment". And for some reason somebody thinks I like them so much and made sure the block appears now often twice and even three times on every page. :rolleyes:

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I have followed Dr Andrew Saul for a long time and his tireless work on the benefits of nutrition and healthy immune boosting. When he said this what I think he means is most people rely on doctors and pharmacies for health in exactly the same way they do for drugs, when it is down to themselves for health.
 

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It was one of the Govt's own scientific advisers:

"Wellcome Trust director Sir Jeremy Farrar told the BBC's Andrew Marr Show the UK was likely to be "one of the worst, if not the worst affected country in Europe"

Sir Jeremy, a member of the government's Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (Sage), told the BBC's Andrew Marr Show the "remarkable" scale of testing in Germany had been key to keeping the number of hospital admissions for coronavirus lower than in the UK.

Sir Jeremy said testing allowed countries to isolate people with Covid-19, preventing them from transmitting the virus to others, as well as buying time for hospitals to prepare.

"Undoubtedly there are lessons to learn from that," he added."
 
I found a site with a comprehensive list of the dangers, you will see some of the ingredients are many many times above what the CDC themselves says is safe, and it is a fact that inserts on vaccines say can cause injury or death, show me any organic or healthy food or natural immune boosting food, or anything mother nature gives us that says can cause death on the label.

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Thats a horrible fake news blog written by some crazy person. :eek2::eek:

:axeman: :axeman2: :machinegunner: :sniper:
 
I have followed Dr Andrew Saul for a long time and his tireless work on the benefits of nutrition and healthy immune boosting. When he said this what I think he means is most people rely on doctors and pharmacies for health in exactly the same way they do for drugs, when it is down to themselves for health.

TBH, I prefer to follow my great-grandmother's advice who passed away at the age of 96 without having a single serious illness throughout her life. And she lived through WWI and II, born 1889. Translated it should be:

"Enjoy everything within reason and you will always have a reason to enjoy."
 
Yes but I don't bother giving much time to what Wikipedia says, they are very corrupt, some of the manipulation they do is up there with google and youtube, it's bought and paid for, so you can happily ignore the video I posted if you think it has no benefits for you.
 
Yes but I don't bother giving much time to what Wikipedia says, they are very corrupt, some of the manipulation they do is up there with google and youtube, it's bought and paid for, so you can happily ignore the video I posted if you think it has no benefits for you.

So let me get this straight if Google youtube wikipedia say things that are against whoever you are championing they are manipulating and corrupt. What would you have said if they were in favour of him because surely they would still be corrupt. They either are or are not. Or do we cherry pick.
 
Bit tired for reading anymore articles about this, there are not many thing anyone would be sure and all scientists would agree so i just try to be without getting this and spreading it to others.

Can't guess who of them is right, i hope that anyone from this forum haven't been destroying 5g base stations yet :)
 
So let me get this straight if Google youtube wikipedia say things that are against whoever you are championing they are manipulating and corrupt. What would you have said if they were in favour of him because surely they would still be corrupt. They either are or are not. Or do we cherry pick.

I am not cherry picking at all, none of the mainstream outlets will be in favour of him, I have 2 decades of looking into nutrition, I have a GNVQ from college in it which was many moons ago, I very very rarely get sick and I never take drugs, I never take things from drug stores or pharmacies and that is my choice because I informed myself, so how much have you read about nutrition or studied it? someone posts a video showing a technique of breathing to help with stress, someone sees it and do they have decades of research under their belt, no...they go to google and type a doctors name in read a Wikipedia page and in 10 seconds the de stress exercise is automatically useless because a 30 second search says he is a bad man, fine if that is the extent you go to how you research things then that is up to you, some of us have more dilligence.
 
I am not cherry picking at all, none of the mainstream outlets will be in favour of him, I have 2 decades of looking into nutrition, I had GNVQ from college in it which was many moons ago, I very very rarely get sick and I never take drugs, I never take things from drug stores or pharmacies and that is my choice because I informed myself, so how much have you read about nutrition or studied it? someone posts a video showing a technique of breathing to help with stress, someone sees it and do they have decades of research under their belt, no...they go to google and type a doctors name in read a Wikipedia page and in 10 seconds the de stress exercise is automatically useless because a 30 second search says he is a bad man, fine if that is the extent you go to how you research things then that is up to you, some of us have more dilligence.

Oh I'm sure his breathing exercises are fine. His morals and his money making tactics are the pits the same pits he accuses others of being in.
 
So let me get this straight if Google youtube wikipedia say things that are against whoever you are championing they are manipulating and corrupt. What would you have said if they were in favour of him because surely they would still be corrupt. They either are or are not. Or do we cherry pick.
How dare you!
Cherry picking was invented by CIA 1930 to discredit people taking their information from blogs and facebook posts.
Also to get cherrys out of the trees without having to wait for them to fall to the ground.
A real game changer for the pie industry.

 

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