Corona virus - Covid 19 discussion

[shadow123]

I beg to differ, the 15% increase is very telling, it shows the transmission potential is massive and that the chinese are unable to control it despite their best efforts.If nothing changes it will become a worldwhile epedemic and will affect us all, not scaremongereing but fact.

 

[steveh35]

I beg to differ, the 15% increase is very telling, it shows the transmission potential is massive and that the chineseare unable to control despite their best efforts.If nothing changes it will become a worldwhile epedemic and will affect us all, not scaremongereing but fact.

And if it affects us all will it be the same as a cold or flu?

If it is then why are people bothered maybe if they told us what the symptoms are we might be able to judge for ourselves if it's worth the risk.

What we need to know is if you have had it what happens afterwards are you immune to it and is it like other illnesses you just get over it?

 

[Kroffe]

what exactly are the symptoms does anyone actually know.

Also the hysteria is getting silly the figures are still nothing compared to the annual flu season, one woman rang LBC last night to say she won't go anywhere near anyone who is Chinese so now racism is raising it's ugly head.

Another figure no one notes is that 910 deaths so far and 908 in China which means China must be doing the right thing to stop it spreading outside the country.

Snipped from WHO.
"Common signs of infection include respiratory symptoms, fever, cough, shortness of breath and breathing difficulties. In more severe cases, infection can cause pneumonia, severe acute respiratory syndrome, kidney failure and even death."

And on how dangerous it is

"As with other respiratory illnesses, infection with 2019-nCoV can cause mild symptoms including a runny nose, sore throat, cough, and fever. It can be more severe for some persons and can lead to pneumonia or breathing difficulties. More rarely, the disease can be fatal. Older people, and people with pre-existing medical conditions (such as, diabetes and heart disease) appear to be more vulnerable to becoming severely ill with the virus."

To me it sounds like the flu more or less.
Old people and people already sick may want to be a little extra cautious.
I dont think a healthy person has much to worry about really.
I will need some scarier numbers to go by before i get worried.

 

[shadow123]

As always they will tell us what they want us to know and nothing more,the situation is still evolving
though and dont think they have the answers yet.No mention of Bear infections yet.

 

[Borgie]

Snipped from WHO.
"Common signs of infection include respiratory symptoms, fever, cough, shortness of breath and breathing difficulties. In more severe cases, infection can cause pneumonia, severe acute respiratory syndrome, kidney failure and even death."

And on how dangerous it is

"As with other respiratory illnesses, infection with 2019-nCoV can cause mild symptoms including a runny nose, sore throat, cough, and fever. It can be more severe for some persons and can lead to pneumonia or breathing difficulties. More rarely, the disease can be fatal. Older people, and people with pre-existing medical conditions (such as, diabetes and heart disease) appear to be more vulnerable to becoming severely ill with the virus."

To me it sounds like the flu more or less.
Old people and people already sick may want to be a little extra cautious.
I dont think a healthy person has much to worry about really.
I will need some scarier numbers to go by before i get worried.

The doctor who died was young . Did he have other health conditions?

I assume the death rate is higher than the normal flu?

 

[Kroffe]

One big difference from the Flu is that this is a new disease.
So unlike the flu, we have built up no resistance to it. So it will most likely affect alot more people than the normal flu does if it starts spreading in a country.
So that kind of makes it more dangerous than just the normal flu.

 

[steveh35]

The doctor who died was young . Did he have other health conditions?

I assume the death rate is higher than the normal flu?

An estimated 80,000 Americans died of flu and its complications

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— the disease’s highest death toll in at least four decades. (2018)

 

[Kroffe]

Yeah i have no idea how the mortality rate is vs the flu.
Im not sure anyone really does yet.

We will kind of have to wait and see how things develop i think.
But with the numbers we see today, i dont think one should worry about this anymore than the flu.
Take some extra precautions if you are old or have pre-existing conditions, other than that, there aint much one can do.

In a week or so, things will probably become more clear about if this is something to worry about or not.

 

[Borgie]

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[shadow123]

I getting on a bit and have pre existing conditions, is that bad?

 

[dionysus]

I getting on a bit and have pre existing conditions, is that bad?

as bad as catching any other disease, virus or bacteria that can interact with a compromised immune system I should think,

 

[Dinahnana]

I have been watching this for a while and am a bit concerned but not alarmed. I think the numbers coming out of China aren't accurate. Still looks like the mortality rate is around 2% with 18% of those infected developing Pneumonia needing oxygen and other supports.

I am in Ireland and if we get a high number of infections even a thousand that would mean we would potentially have 180 people needing an ICU and with the state of our healthcare with trolley upon trolley crisis without this virus I think we could see some trouble.

So the death rate could go up or down depending on the severity and numbers of infected. I'd be thinking about getting some supplies in just in case there is a run on the shops when the virus comes here (probably already is to be fair).

 

[steveh35]

Apparently he has spoken to the media himself so it's his own fault if he gets weirdos after him lol

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[Kroffe]

Does 11 people infected really deserve the title super-spreader?
Spreader-in-training or novice-spreader seems more fitting.

 

[steveh35]

Does 11 people infected really deserve the title super-spreader?
Spreader-in-training or novice-spreader seems more fitting.

Well he managed to go to Singapore pick up the virus then carry it to the airport where he flew it to France and took it skiing and then back on a plane to Brighton where he took it to the local scout meeting.

Worthy of a Fort Boyard or the Crystal Maze award for endurance.

So he is definetly a super spreader.

 

[steveh35]

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[Kroffe]

Well he managed to go to Singapore pick up the virus then carry it to the airport where he flew it to France and took it skiing and then back on a plane to Brighton where he took it to the local scout meeting.

Worthy of a Fort Boyard or the Crystal Maze award for endurance.

So he is definetly a super spreader.

But could this not be achieved by anyone, even people without any sort of prior spreading-experience.
The incubation period can be up to two weeks right?
Im still not sure i think he is worthy of the title super-spreader.

 

[Dinahnana]

But could this not be achieved by anyone, even people without any sort of prior spreading-experience.
The incubation period can be up to two weeks right?
Im still not sure i think he is worthy of the title super-spreader.

Not sure whether to believe them or not but Chinese Dr.s say now the incubation period could be up to 24 days and they have stopped counting people who are positive but not sick or sick enough in their official figures. I think the infected is far higher in China than what they are telling us and the death toll is far more than the figures they mention as a lot of people died and got cremated right away with just Pneumonia listed on the death cert, not this virus.

Good news though shows about 880-82% of cases are mild. We also have to look at economic and other fallout because a lot of the generic drugs we get in the west are made in China so we may have shortages down the line of medications and other things.

Personally I think the WHO is handling this very badly, the infections are in 28 countries and they still fall short of calling it a pandemic and are questioning countries that are stopping flights to Asia. I think we in the west just need to be prepared for the worst and pray for the best. Let's hope this situation gets better soon.

 

[Dinahnana]

This guy is not a doomsayer, he is normally very pragmatic but this is his latest video.

 

[steveh35]

This is potentially not good news this is how coronavirus could spread.

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[RickyMicky]

Sometimes people don’t even know that they are carriers of the virus. The incubation period lasts 14 days.

 

[Jasminebed]

Like that for even just the common cold, by the time symptoms develop, you are past the infectious stage usually. For most people that do contract it, it may be mild, and at least here, it would be a tremendous strain on our health care system if everyone thought they had Corona Virus with every sniffle.

Recently, a group of students in my town had a Corona Party... Corona Beer and surgical masks. One of these was a student body president, he has had to resign. This was not targeted at anyone, and even though our university has a large Asian attendance, it was not them that got outraged, in fact, photos show a number of asian students at the party (largely pre-med). The world has lost it's sense of humour in times of adversity, or frankly, most times IMO.

 

[dionysus]

a party where the attendees are in on the joke seems more a hoot than any kind of issue...bit ridiculous to take umbrage at it; youre literally poking fun at a virus, not a class of people

 

[dionysus]

When I was somewhere in my 20s for Hallowe'en I wore a sun dress, oversized hat, one high heel, smeared lipstick, steering wheel around my neck and checked my lipstick in a rearview mirror.
I went as Princess Di (she'd died 2 months prior)

It wasn't received well in general.
Though I did win 1st place in 2 costume contests

 

[goatwack]

When I was somewhere in my 20s for Hallowe'en I wore a sun dress, oversized hat, one high heel, smeared lipstick, steering wheel around my neck and checked my lipstick in a rearview mirror.
I went as Princess Di (she'd died 2 months prior)

It wasn't received well in general.
Though I did win 1st place in 2 costume contests

Couldn't don a frock again could you? I'll pay good money

 

[dionysus]

Couldn't don a frock again could you? I'll pay good money

only if I was trying for Queen E these days

 

[steveh35]

First death in Europe

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[colinsunderland]

Should they not have called this Kung Flu?

On a serious note, my friend has a chinese takeaway, been open for over 40 years, past few weeks he's getting regulars ringing saying they are scared to order in case they catch 'that virus'. He then has to explain he hasn't been to China for 7 years, so has no more chance of having it than they do!

 

[Playford7]

First death in Europe

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One whole death in the whole of Europe!! The outbreak is real. We all have days to live

 

[paul7388]

One whole death in the whole of Europe!! The outbreak is real. We all have days to live

exactly lol.

And to put it into perspective given the fact most vulnerable people in UK get a flu vaccination.

In the UK it is estimated that an average of 600 people a year die from complications of flu. In some years it is estimated that this can rise to over 10,000 deaths (see for example this UK study from 2013 , which estimated over 13,000 deaths resulting from flu in 2008-09)

 

[Dinahnana]

exactly lol.

And to put it into perspective given the fact most vulnerable people in UK get a flu vaccination.

In the UK it is estimated that an average of 600 people a year die from complications of flu. In some years it is estimated that this can rise to over 10,000 deaths (see for example this UK study from 2013 , which estimated over 13,000 deaths resulting from flu in 2008-09)

To be fair the statistics show that the death rate from flu is around 0.01% and the death rate from Covid-19 is between 2-3% with about 1/5 of cases requiring hospitalization with oxygen needs so the Covid-19 is much more serious than flu. So if 100 people get it 20 will go on to develop viral pneumonia and 2-3 people may die. So good handwashing etc and using common sense would be called for and just say a prayer that it doesn't take hold in Europe. I know Ireland is not prepared for an epidemic here.

 

[mack341]

Tell you what is dangerous atm in the uk the high winds [storm dennis?] be extra careful if you've got to go out. I just got caught in the beginnings of it in the south east.

 

[steveh35]

Only one person of the nine diagnosed with the virus in UK is still in quarantine.

 

[pinnit2014]

Tell you what is dangerous atm in the uk the high winds [storm dennis?] be extra careful if you've got to go out. I just got caught in the beginnings of it in the south east.

I've heard a tapping from the ceiling - off up to the loft to see if it's water. FFS - the next few months gambling budget could be stolen by a roof.

 

[paul7388]

I've heard a tapping from the ceiling - off up to the loft to see if it's water. FFS - the next few months gambling budget could be stolen by a roof.

Probably just a rat

 

[mina1929]

I have just come across this video, what you all think?

 

[steveh35]

I have just come across this video, what you all think?

Firstly how do we know she has it?

Secondly if you don't like your boss and want them to get it ill try this at work by doing that over their keyboard or mouse

Do people on here not remember the measles parties some mothers used to have to try to get their kids self immune without being vaccinated?

It could be some people think if everyone gets coronavirus it will speed up the virus and everyone will become immune.

Of course it could also be she is just nuts and needs help.

 

[Mr_Slot5]

I have just come across this video, what you all think?

Urgh disgusting.

Luckily she got caught. Unlucky for her she got caught in a country with quite a severe penal system...

 

[goatwack]

It could be 50/ 50, how is anyone to know what she has

I do know with 100% certainty that she's a filthy mental tramp, however

 

[steveh35]

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Panic buyers

 

[goatwack]

Bog-standard reporting if you ask me

 

[Kroffe]

 

[RickyMicky]

I have just come across this video, what you all think?

My friend told me that the Chinese are untidy, spit everywhere, fart, now I see a partial confirmation of this..

 

[dionysus]

My friend told me that the Chinese are untidy, spit everywhere, fart, now I see a partial confirmation of this..

I'd avoid broad sweeping generalizations; there's stellar peeps and ass-hats the world over

 

[mina1929]

My friend told me that the Chinese are untidy, spit everywhere, fart, now I see a partial confirmation of this..

You have people like that no matter which country you are from. I would not pick on a certain race as we are all human and there is good Chinese and bad Chinese same as in your country good and bad people.

 

[Jono777]

My friend told me that the Chinese are untidy, spit everywhere, fart, now I see a partial confirmation of this..

When working in the casino industry a long while back, 90% of our custom was from Chinese and 90% of those would dress super smart for their nights gambling

They also in the main tidied thier own mess, used plates, cups, discarded ciggie packs etc etc Something the English NEVER did!

Then again the casino was in Dudley

 

[ternur]

My friend told me that the Chinese are untidy, spit everywhere, fart, now I see a partial confirmation of this..

That's it then. One video of one person out of 1400 million or so.

Solid evidence. Other than the "my friend told me" part. Which is hearsay -> Case dismissed with prejudice.

 

[dionysus]

That's it then. One video of one person out of 1400 million or so.

Solid evidence. Other than the "my friend told me" part. Which is hearsay -> Case dismissed with prejudice.

ive never heard it said that way vs 1.4 billion

 

[Kroffe]

I dont know what to think now.
I did read a comment earlier saying they fart alot.
But now i see a bunch of comments saying people all over the world fart alot.
Some even being, or wearing asshats. So now im not sure what to think.

 

[mack341]

I have read about the occurrence of hawking and spitting years ago, I'm sure it was in a proper travel writer's book [might have been bill bryson or paul theroux]; everybody farts, don't know about untidy.

But if you look up chinese and lack of empathy, there are quite a lot of articles online regarding that, some laying the blame at the communist's door as they've relegated the importance of religion, some saying money has become too important. They do have a slightly different outlook on life, death etc...maybe more realistic or shaped by the harsh realities of living in a country with 1.4 billion people.

Every country has a class system even communist china, I highly doubt an educated chinese person would do what that woman did, or spit in the street, the standards of behaviour differ. People from china could make sweeping judgements on the brits, the lager lout culture etc.., would it be totally untrue, no, is it racist to bring it up it, no.