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Corona virus - Covid 19 discussion

No one really seems to know what 'lockdown' even entails, as every country seems to be adopting different methods. Until it's outright Martial Law it will likely be closure of non-essential places over here

........but the way the experts are going on in that unique British way is "We won't make you self-isolate, but please please try not to please come into contact with too many people if you can help it please thankyou"
 
Just about ready for 12 weeks of isolation,freezer is full, car is full (yep i know there is no petrol shortage,but
anything could happen in the coming weeks),stock of cigs, hand wash coming from Amazon (how much??) Unwanted visitors told to f**k off. Probably the last Tesco order coming Friday.Shotgun cleaned and oiled.
Saturday is day 1, good luck all
Hehe. I have been in self-isolation for nearly 2 months as I do not want to get infected. Should I get infected, due to my illnesses, there is a greater likelihood of mortality. I have postponed all my return visits to hospitals meanwhile.
 
David Icke has done a couple of vids on it.

I use to watch his weekly free vid quite a bit but just drifted away about a year or two ago.

To go from being a goalkeeper for coventry city to a sports journalist/commentator for the bbc shows that they spotted something different in him, intelligence and the ability to communicate. But every video was starting to go over old ground, the project for the new american century etc...I might dip back in at some point, but I think he's getting left behind, and not everything originates from a deep conspiracy [tough for me to say that, with my viewpoints on 9-11, diana, the moon non-landing etc etc :laugh:]
 
Nothing "better" than a good conspiracy theory for the days of lockdown. Keeps people busy googling and reading. :D

e.g. that the book was written in 1981 and adding the numbers 1+9+8+1 = 19 --> COVID-19 :rolleyes:

What is funny that in the original the scenery was placed near Moscow and Wuhan-400 was Gorki-400. The publishers changed it after the Sowjet Union stopped being the main "enemy" of the West. But hey, that doesn't bother conspiracy theorists. :D

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Nothing "better" than a good conspiracy theory for the days of lockdown. Keeps people busy googling and reading. :D

e.g. that the book was written in 1981 and adding the numbers 1+9+8+1 = 19 --> COVID-19 :rolleyes:

What is funny that in the original the scenery was placed near Moscow and Wuhan-400 was Gorki-400. The publishers changed it after the Sowjet Union stopped being the main "enemy" of the West. But hey, that doesn't bother conspiracy theorists. :D

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Loved Dean Koontz books also love Stephen King. Don't do much reading now because I am too busy reading real life stories at CM :laugh:
 
OK - the good news first - the stooopid Eurovision Song Contest has been cancelled this year, sparing us from caterwauling drag queens and wannabees.

Even better, Bumby City and Casualty and DeadEnders will stop filming new episodes.

I am wondering what the street drinkers/alchies/druggies are going to do? With next to no shoppers, who will they beg from? Or shoplift from when stores are shut?

Also, the drug dealers - when non-essential travel is banned, what happens? Do they dress up as mobile pharmacy staff and say to the Police that "We are supplying an essential product to addicts, so let us through"?

Bad news, no AAC in Amsterdam this July. Likely Berlin will be off in November too. Hope the everyone is vaccinated by the time London comes round again next February.

Grimbledon will be off too, so good there.

What are we going to be left with on TV? Aside from news, we'll get re-runs of Bullseye, Steptoe and Son and bloody Crossroads most likely. Then again, we will be spared the crashing music, flashing lights and synchronized dribbling of hysterical TV 'talent' show audiences. A*t & D*c could be compulsorily isolated! :lolup:
I've only watched tv soaps under protest for the past 20 years. Hollyoaks is the most appauling soap as it is so directed at teens and it gives out the most awful messagesto kids. I also think it should have been called bi-polar street.
 
Those superb open borders.
Also I reckon we won’t get it so bad, well if you Londoners bloody stay in and do as your told!
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In Australia we have 709 cases of the virus, 141 more than yesterday with 5 deaths :eek2:

The Virus is spreading very quickly and its very scary :(

Our prime minister acted too late with closing borders after it allowed 3,000 students to arrive in Australia :mad:

One of our resident at work is in isolation and tests are getting done, I hope she doesn't have the virus.
 
Well, the Messiah has already the solution..... or so he bragged. :rolleyes:

Only that even the Chinese who are not really known for caring too much about human life, did not use it widely for treatment because it has some significant side effects.

But yeah, the Messiah gave it the OK, just to show the world how great he is. :rolleyes:

Funny how the FDA guy threaded like on raw eggshells when telling the actual truth, just to not upset the Messiah.

Plus, in essence the FDA approved testing, not the drug itself. Well, Mr T was never one to care about the details when he sees a chance to brag and make himself look good.

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Well, the Messiah has already the solution..... or so he bragged. :rolleyes:

Only that even the Chinese who are not really known for caring too much about human life, did not use it widely for treatment because it has some significant side effects.

But yeah, the Messiah gave it the OK, just to show the world how great he is. :rolleyes:

Funny how the FDA guy threaded like on raw eggshells when telling the actual truth, just to not upset the Messiah.

Plus, in essence the FDA approved testing, not the drug itself. Well, Mr T was never one to care about the details when he sees a chance to brag and make himself look good.

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He has got to go that piece of rump! Who even respects him.
 
Its the flu. Remember that unless your ill or really old you be ok. Id be more worried when people start looting and the poverty that comes as long as they drag it out.

Parks are full and my dogs loving these longer walks
My mum called earlier, just taking it in her stride, not flapping like half the populace.

Even recited how she bought a pack of toilet roll but made sure there's some left for others!

She's a tough dame anyway. She spars with Chuck Norris for fun
 
You go and get them Mr Dutton :eek2:


These.....'individuals' were just taking advantage of an open market, with clearly no moral obligation to anyone but themselves, but abused it to within the law. What's Peter 'don't press my button' Dutton gonna do now, confiscate their games consoles?

Governments could see this happening for weeks/ months and watched as the most vulnerable in society went without, and these clowns hoarded everything. They could have instructed sales quotas for shops and made them mandatory etc

So a nice sentiment but a 'tad' late
 
My mum called earlier, just taking it in her stride, not flapping like half the populace.

Even recited how she bought a pack of toilet roll but made sure there's some left for others!

She's a tough dame anyway. She spars with Chuck Norris for fun
Like the cut of her jib, fine lady.
took my mother to Morrison’s today.
She ranted and called all those with stocked trolleys ‘Greedy sad bastards’ rather loudly.
Got her bottle of wine, some chocolates, and some lamb and other non virus related food stuffs. no need for toilet rolls or hand sanitiser’s.
 
Well, the Messiah has already the solution..... or so he bragged. :rolleyes:

Only that even the Chinese who are not really known for caring too much about human life, did not use it widely for treatment because it has some significant side effects.

But yeah, the Messiah gave it the OK, just to show the world how great he is. :rolleyes:

Funny how the FDA guy threaded like on raw eggshells when telling the actual truth, just to not upset the Messiah.

Plus, in essence the FDA approved testing, not the drug itself. Well, Mr T was never one to care about the details when he sees a chance to brag and make himself look good.

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From a French clinical test:

Background

Chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine have been found to be efficient on SARS-CoV-2, and
reported to be efficient in Chinese COV-19 patients. We evaluate the role of
hydroxychloroquine on respiratory viral loads.

Patients and methods

French Confirmed COVID-19 patients were included in a single arm protocol from early
March to March 16th, to receive 600mg of hydroxychloroquine daily and their viral load in
nasopharyngeal swabs was tested daily in a hospital setting. Depending on their clinical
presentation, azithromycin was added to the treatment. Untreated patients from another center
and cases refusing the protocol were included as negative controls. Presence and absence of
virus at Day6-post inclusion was considered the end point.

Results

Six patients were asymptomatic, 22 had upper respiratory tract infection symptoms and eight
had lower respiratory tract infection symptoms.
Twenty cases were treated in this study and showed a significant reduction of the viral
carriage at D6-post inclusion compared to controls, and much lower average carrying duration
than reported of untreated patients in the literature. Azithromycin added to
hydroxychloroquine was significantly more efficient for virus elimination.

Conclusion

Despite its small sample size our survey shows that hydroxychloroquine treatment is
significantly associated with viral load reduction/disappearance in COVID-19 patients and its
effect is reinforced by azithromycin.

The thing is a study from the KU Leuven already showed that chloroquine helps in SARS cases, this is nothing new. Why does every country want to test this again instead of relying on information from other medical experts? Yes, I'm sure there can be rather serious side-effects but are they worse than death?
 
Imagine considering starting dating at this time after about 2 years of being happily single!
I may write up a dating site profile for fun when I can be arsed too
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My draft's already up. Could you just iron out a couple of points?

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So clinical trials to revolve around Chloroquine, an anti-malaria drug

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From a French clinical test:



The thing is a study from the KU Leuven already showed that chloroquine helps in SARS cases, this is nothing new. Why does every country want to test this again instead of relying on information from other medical experts? Yes, I'm sure there can be rather serious side-effects but are they worse than death?
Way back when, getting ready to visit Rhodesia - told you it was way back when :) - took chloroquine as a precautionary measure as the Victoria Falls were a breeding ground for mosquitoes.

Never got malaria, but what I can say is....I think I wish I had because yes, the side-effects felt worse than death!

My God I was ill - and I mean ILL - from the bloody chloroquine - to the extent that I almost didn't make my trip to Rhodesia.

Sometimes the cure is worse than the disease, and in the case of Chloroquine - how very, very true.
 
I am classified as an "essential" worker and I hope you all are thanking everyone under that title, Saying that I have now fallen ill, I do not think it is the virus but had symptoms as similar in fever, sore throat and feeling woozy. Feeling a little better already but not 100 percent. I work for one of the richest companies in the world and they don't give 2 shits about employees, They care about getting stuff out the door and profit, They won't even pay us directly, they are passing it off to the insurance company even though they have budgeted for the year everyone working their full hours so while I have coverage it is not at full pay.

If I have energy and time I will do a deposit somewhere and play tomorrow or the weekend and hang out on here if I am allowed,lol.
 
Way back when, getting ready to visit Rhodesia - told you it was way back when :) - took chloroquine as a precautionary measure as the Victoria Falls were a breeding ground for mosquitoes.

Never got malaria, but what I can say is....I think I wish I had because yes, the side-effects felt worse than death!

My God I was ill - and I mean ILL - from the bloody chloroquine - to the extent that I almost didn't make my trip to Rhodesia.

Sometimes the cure is worse than the disease, and in the case of Chloroquine - how very, very true.

That sounds awful and I'm sure they wouldn't give this drug if its advantages weren't greater than the side-effects. Folks can be allergic to this medicine and feel really bad due to that, something you don't know upfront.
 
An interesting read.

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(OMNS Mar 1, 2020) First of all, the naysayers are too late. Vitamin C is already being used to prevent and treat COVID-19 in China and in Korea. And it is working.

Here is a verified official statement from China's Xi'an Jiaotong University Second Hospital:

"On the afternoon of February 20, 2020, another 4 patients with severe coronavirus pneumonia recovered from the C10 West Ward of Tongji Hospital. In the past 8 patients have been discharged from hospital. . . [H]igh-dose vitamin C achieved good results in clinical applications. We believe that for patients with severe neonatal pneumonia, and for critically ill patients, vitamin C treatment should be initiated as soon as possible after admission. Numerous studies have shown that the dose of vitamin C has a lot to do with the effect of treatment. High-dose vitamin C can not only improve antiviral levels, but more importantly, can prevent and treat acute lung injury (ALI) and acute respiratory distress (ARDS)."

Here is a report from Korea:

"At my hospital in Daegu, South Korea, all inpatients and all staff members have been using vitamin C orally since last week. Some people this week had a mild fever, headaches and coughs, and those who had symptoms got 30,000 mg intravenous vitamin C. Some people got better after about two days, and most had symptoms go away after one injection." (Hyoungjoo Shin, M.D.)

There are at least three high-dose intravenous vitamin C studies underway in China. Literally by the truckload, tons of vitamin C has been sent into Wuhan.

Here is a report from a physician in China:

"We need to broadcast a message worldwide very quickly: Vitamin C (small or large dose) does no harm to people and is the one of the few, if not the only, agent that has a chance to prevent us from getting, and can treat, COVID-19 infection. When can we, medical doctors and scientists, put patients' lives first?" (Richard Z. Cheng, MD, PhD, International Vitamin C China Epidemic Medical Support Team Leader)

News media attacks on vitamin C are centered on false allegations of dangers with megadoses. This tactic lets the media ignore the truth that even LOW doses of vitamin C reduce symptoms and death rates. Do not let the media spin this issue. Advocates of vitamin C are medical doctors, not spin doctors. They are experienced, credentialed clinicians who have read the science, a small sample of which follows:

Even small supplemental amounts of vitamin C can keep severely ill patients from dying.
[Hunt C et al. Int J Vitam Nutr Res 1994;64:212-19.]

Infants with viral pneumonia treated with vitamin C had reduced mortality.
[Ren Shiguang et al. Hebei Medicine 1978,4:1-3]

17,000 mg/day vitamin C given intravenously shortened intensive care unit stay by 44%.
[Hemilä H, Chalker E. Nutrients. 2019 Mar 27;11:4.]

200 mg of vitamin C reduced duration of severe pneumonia in children. Oxygen saturation was improved in less than one day.
[Khan IM et al. J Rawalpindi Med Coll (JRMC); 2014;18(1):55-57]


(OMNS Mar 3, 2020) The government of Shanghai, China has announced its official recommendation that COVID-19 should be treated with high amounts of intravenous vitamin C. (1) Dosage recommendations vary with severity of illness, from 50 to 200 milligrams per kilogram body weight per day to as much as 200 mg/kg/day.

These dosages are approximately 4,000 to 16,000 mg for an adult, administered by IV. This specific method of administration is important, says intravenous therapy expert Atsuo Yanagisawa, MD, PhD, because vitamin C's effect is at least ten times more powerful by IV than if taken orally. Dr. Yanagisawa is president of the Tokyo-based Japanese College of Intravenous Therapy. He says, "Intravenous vitamin C is a safe, effective, and broad-spectrum antiviral."

Richard Z. Cheng, MD, PhD, a Chinese-American specialist physician, has been working closely with medical and governmental authorities throughout China. He has been instrumental in facilitating at least three Chinese clinical IV vitamin C studies now underway. Dr. Cheng is presently in Shanghai continuing his efforts to encourage still more Chinese hospitals to implement vitamin C therapy incorporating high oral doses as well as C by IV.

Dr. Cheng and Dr. Yanagisawa both recommend oral vitamin C for prevention of COVID-19 infection.
 
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That sounds awful and I'm sure they wouldn't give this drug if its advantages weren't greater than the side-effects. Folks can be allergic to this medicine and feel really bad due to that, something you don't know upfront.
I was probably one of the unlucky ones to react that badly. It could have been worse - I could have had the reaction and caught malaria as well...:(
 
Its the flu. Remember that unless your ill or really old you be ok. Id be more worried when people start looting and the poverty that comes as long as they drag it out.

It is not the flu.

Some symptoms are shared between the two viruses but COVID-19 is more infectious, deadlier, and has no prevention vaccine nor treatments available.

Its reproduction number ( how many people will catch the virus from a single infected person) is between 2 and 3, some research found it to be 3.5. Seasonal influenza R0 is 1.3. For comparison, measles is 15. This means coronavirus is more infectious than flu.

The mortality rate of seasonal flu is 0.05 - 0.1%. COVID-19 is much higher, estimated to be between 1- 2%. The WHO states it is 3.4% But the death rate can vary. It was found to be 12% in Wuhan, China and it is currently 5% in Italy. That difference can be attributed to the exponential rate of infection completely overwhelming the health care systems in those two countries.


In addition, Co-19 has a longer incubation period of up to 14 days than seasonal influenza which is about 3 days. So infected people can be unkowingly spreading the disease for days. This only increases the spread of infection.

Lastly, not much is known about Co-19 so there is no treatment and no vaccine. Whereas, a lot is known about influenza. There are vaccines, treatments like Tamiflu, and a mountain of research. But COVID-19 caught us with our pants down.

I'm no expert in coronaviruses but I have a little bit of knowledge about viruses and molecular biology - MSc in Biochemistry and years at the bench in research labs. I also worked in Biotech - virus-delivered gene therapy. I'm not trying to be a smug ass, just that I have a little more experience in this area than your average duck. :)

It is not the flu.
 
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It is not the flu.

Some symptoms are shared between the two viruses but COVID-19 is more infectious, deadlier, and has no prevention vaccine nor treatments available.

Its reproduction number ( how many people will catch the virus from a single infected person) is between 2 and 3, some research found it to be 3.5. Seasonal influenza R0 is 1.3. For comparison, measles is 15. This means coronavirus is more infectious than flu.

The mortality rate of seasonal flu is 0.05 - 0.1%. COVID-19 is much higher, estimated to be between 1- 2%. The WHO states it is 3.4% But the death rate can vary. It was found to be 12% in Wuhan, China and it is currently 5% in Italy. That difference can be attributed to the exponential rate of infection completely overwhelming the health care systems in those two countries.


In addition, Co-19 has a longer incubation period of up to 14 days than seasonal influenza which is about 3 days. So infected people can be unkowingly spreading the disease for days. This only increases the spread of infection.

Lastly, not much is known about Co-19 so there is no treatment and no vaccine. Whereas, a lot is known about influenza. There are vaccines, treatments like Tamiflu, and a mountain of research. But COVID-19 caught us with our pants down.

I'm no expert in coronaviruses but I have a little bit of knowledge about viruses and molecular biology - MSc in Biochemistry and years at the bench in research labs. I also worked in Biotech - virus-delivered gene therapy. I'm not trying to be a smug ass, just that I have a little more experience in this ares than your average duck. :)

It is not the flu.
It is much worse than flu and there have been a number of cases (I reckon about 2-3%) where the incubation period gets up to 4 weeks and people who had been quarantined for 14 days had later tested positive to this shite.
 
Way back when, getting ready to visit Rhodesia - told you it was way back when :) - took chloroquine as a precautionary measure as the Victoria Falls were a breeding ground for mosquitoes.

Never got malaria, but what I can say is....I think I wish I had because yes, the side-effects felt worse than death!

My God I was ill - and I mean ILL - from the bloody chloroquine - to the extent that I almost didn't make my trip to Rhodesia.

Sometimes the cure is worse than the disease, and in the case of Chloroquine - how very, very true.


Oh how well I remember those times. Lariam/Larium or so was the name. You had to take it 1-2 weeks before and after your trip. Vomiting and nightmares were the worst part. :o

It changed around 2002, IIRC, when Malarone became widely available. That had much fewer side effects and you only had to start taking it 1 or 2 days before your trip.
 
before anyone thinks theyve a 3-4% of dropping dead, bear in mind, noone quite is certain or has a sure handle on figures.
A lot of those fatalities are also those who are more likely or prone to contract the virus, succeptible or show visible signs, age, have underlying issues etc



with an estimated 70% possibly contracting and being mild to asymptomatic, the figure could be much lower (though still higher than flu)

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These.....'individuals' were just taking advantage of an open market, with clearly no moral obligation to anyone but themselves, but abused it to within the law. What's Peter 'don't press my button' Dutton gonna do now, confiscate their games consoles?

Governments could see this happening for weeks/ months and watched as the most vulnerable in society went without, and these clowns hoarded everything. They could have instructed sales quotas for shops and made them mandatory etc

So a nice sentiment but a 'tad' late

He is just trying to look like a hero :laugh:
 

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