Corona virus - Covid 19 discussion

[dealer wins]

Lockdown has been BS, should never have been done. No lockdown ever needed to be ordered, if its necessary then people will lockdown without the need to be told to. If ebola levels of death was occurring then people would only venture out wrapped more than an airline suitcase wrapping serive would do.

All we have achieved is destroying thousands and thousands of small businesses, peoples livelihoods, and put an unimaginable burden on taxpayers over the next 10-20 years, and all for literally nothing. And whats worse, viruses tend to peak in winter so god forbid it strikes hard then we are all fooked.

 

[colinsunderland]

If its true he made a second trip, Boris has got to act.Cummings has already undermined the government
advice and makes further rules harder to enforce.Millions have been compliant for weeks and that tosser
thinks he is entltled to ignore his own advice.
Been a supporter of Boris all the way but think his leadership skills are waning fast.

Even the first one was in breach of the lockdown rules.
Police have confirmed they spoke to his father. Downing Street say 'at no stage was he or his family spoken to by police about this matter'.

Timeline seems to be

Cummings seen in Durham Apr 5 when self-isolating away from his London home

He was pictured back at Downing Street on April 14

On April 19 he was seen back in Durham at a local beauty spot (Houghall Woods )

On April 12 he was seen by a witness at Barnard Castle, 30 miles from his parents home

Having said that, I know where his parents house is (assuming the street given on a couple of places is correct), and some reports say he was seen by neighbours. From memory the closest neighbour is about half a mile away. Someone was walking past and saw him by the front gate, again, I very much doubt someone was just walking past his parents house considering its location.

Doesn't mean none of it's true, but wouldn't be surprised if the person 'walking past' was a member of the press staking out the house.

One things for sure, people will be scouring dashcam and CCTV footage from that area as any actual video evidence of him being there will be worth a fortune to the papers!

 

[colinsunderland]

Lockdown has been BS, should never have been done. No lockdown ever needed to be ordered, if its necessary then people will lockdown without the need to be told to.

You do know the reason it was ordered was because no one took any notice when they were told to stay inside?

 

[sufferinsilence]

 

[Harry_BKK]

Came across a pic while reading up on some Romanian history. This was taken in summer 1882 in Constanta on the Black Sea. Men and women would take separate wagons

Wonder if holidays 2020 will look similar.

 

[Kroffe]

Came across a pic while reading up on some Romanian history. This was taken in summer 1882 in Constanta on the Black Sea. Men and women would take separate wagons

Wonder if holidays 2020 will look similar.

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Really shows how times have changed.
Nowadays its really rare that people let their wagons have a swim.

 

[pinnit2014]

Came across a pic while reading up on some Romanian history. This was taken in summer 1882 in Constanta on the Black Sea. Men and women would take separate wagons

Wonder if holidays 2020 will look similar.

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Are you the one holding the PNG game sheets?

 

[Harry_BKK]

Are you the one holding the PNG game sheets?

Maybe. If so, then only in the correct thread! ....hint...North Korea.

 

[paul7388]

Maybe. If so, then only in the correct thread! ....hint...North Korea.

Will you kindly stop derailing that thread with game sheets.

It is meant to be for Nature documentaries nothing else.

 

[Harry_BKK]

Will you kindly stop derailing that thread with game sheets.

It is meant to be for Nature documentaries nothing else.

And game sheets... ask @Kroffe

However, @pinnit2014 which PnG game do you need?

 

[pinnit2014]

And game sheets... ask @Kroffe

However, @pinnit2014 which PnG game do you need?

Let me think and I’ll come back via the most appropriate thread;

Corona, NK or Brexit.

 

[Gaz237]

Cummings has been summoned to Downing St.

He is there now.

Boris has to kick him out or will face a major backlash from the public.

Also 40 tory MP's have now called for his dismissal.

What pissed me off the most was Cummings attitude and said what he did has nothing to do with anyone else, when asked by reporters to explain his actions.

Complete arrogant toss pot.

 

[colinsunderland]

Cummings has been summoned to Downing St.

He is there now.

Boris has to kick him out or will face a major backlash from the public.

Also 40 tory MP's have now called for his dismissal.

What pissed me off the most was Cummings attitude and said what he did has nothing to do with anyone else, when asked by reporters to explain his actions.

Complete arrogant toss pot.

Completely agree, no way at all can he keep his job after this, and nor should the MP's who blindly backed him tbh. How can there be any confidence in anything the government does in relation to lockdowns etc, when they have a set of rules, laws, which, arguably the second most important person in the government, then just says ' stuff this, I don't have to follow the rules I helped write'. Anyone backing him should also be removed, as they have basically said, yeah we agree, he can do what he wants.

 

[Gaz237]

Completely agree, no way at all can he keep his job after this, and nor should the MP's who blindly backed him tbh. How can there be any confidence in anything the government does in relation to lockdowns etc, when they have a set of rules, laws, which, arguably the second most important person in the government, then just says ' stuff this, I don't have to follow the rules I helped write'. Anyone backing him should also be removed, as they have basically said, yeah we agree, he can do what he wants.

Just been announced on LBC that a number plate has been given for a car from up North which he was using and going out and about in, it's being checked if it belonged to him.

If that's true, his career would be finished.

If not. I can see he will just get demoted to a lesser position and be re-appointed to a front role in 6 months.

He is Boris's chum after all.

The tory majority is 80 seats, so if the 40 tory Mp's are calling for his dismissal and Boris basically does nothing, he will be at risk of losing the whip.

Surely he can't risk that?. So I guess a deal will be struck with Cummings

 

[colinsunderland]

Just been announced on LBC that a number plate has been given for a car from up North which he was using and going out and about in, it's being checked if it belonged to him.

If that's true, his career would be finished.

If not. I can see he will just get demoted to a lesser position and be re-appointed to a front role in 6 months.

He is Boris's chum after all.

People on other forums are questioning why someone would take a reg number of a car. They have obviously never been to Barnard Castle. Strange people there. A 70 year old retired Chemistry teacher living in BC is the exact type of person I would expect to take regs from strangers cars lol.

 

[Luckyscouser45]

Dominic Cummings is everything I hate about the Tory’s

 

[cncas2123]

Just been announced on LBC that a number plate has been given for a car from up North which he was using and going out and about in, it's being checked if it belonged to him.

If that's true, his career would be finished.

If not. I can see he will just get demoted to a lesser position and be re-appointed to a front role in 6 months.

He is Boris's chum after all.

The tory majority is 80 seats, so if the 40 tory Mp's are calling for his dismissal and Boris basically does nothing, he will be at risk of losing the whip.

Surely he can't risk that?. So I guess a deal will be struck with Cummings

BoJo can't really do a deal with Cummings as he is hand picked and not elected. It is entirely up to BoJo what happens next, if he backs his man he is putting 2 fingers up to the whole country, if he sacks his man he will at least show he has a pair of balls and a bit of honour.
I would be surprised if Cummings is going to be his adviser at this time tomorrow......

 

[mack341]

Coronavirus is 'uniquely adapted to infect humans': Top vaccine scientist says it could only have come from an animal through a 'freak of nature' - and the possibility it leaked from Wuhan lab MUST be investigated

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A team of scientists has produced evidence that the pandemic virus is ‘uniquely adapted to infect humans’, raising fresh questions over whether its origins were natural or could have occurred in a laboratory.

Professor Nikolai Petrovsky, a top vaccine researcher who headed the Australian team, said the virus was ‘not typical of a normal zoonotic [animal to human] infection’ since it appeared with the ‘exceptional’ ability to enter human bodies from day one.

He said the virus should have emerged from an animal through ‘a freak event of nature’ but the possibility that it had leaked from a laboratory could not be ruled out.

"I haven’t seen a zoonotic virus that has behaved in this way before,’ he said

He told The Mail on Sunday that new viruses crossing over from animals normally strengthen as they adapt to human hosts, but for unexplained reasons, this new coronavirus seems perfectly adapted to infect humans without the need to evolve.

He pointed to the ‘coincidence’ that the most closely related known viruses were being studied in a laboratory in Wuhan, the Chinese city where the pandemic erupted, and insisted that the possibility of a leak, however remote, should not be ignored in the search for its origin.

‘The implications may not be good for scientists or global politics, but just because the answers might cause problems, we can’t run away from them,’ he added. ‘There is currently no evidence of a leak but enough circumstantial data to concern us. It remains a possibility until it is ruled out.’

Richard Ebright, one of the world’s top biosecurity experts, also told this newspaper that the odds of this new virus containing such unusual features and occurring naturally were ‘possible – but improbable’.

Ebright, professor of chemical biology at Rutgers University, in New Jersey, said scientists at the Wuhan Institute of Virology were creating chimeric coronaviruses (new hybrid micro-organisms) and seeking funding to test their ability to infect human cells while using procedures that leave no sign of human manipulation.

He also highlighted the ‘furin cleavage site’, which allows the spike protein to bind to cells in human tissues including the lungs, liver and small intestines.

Previous studies have noted the efficiency of this cleavage method, which does not exist in the most similar coronaviruses – although researchers in 2009 modified the SARS virus to introduce a furin cleavage site in a similar position to Sars-CoV-2 and found this increased the infectivity of the virus.

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^ food for thought ... I have added a few members to my ignore list so I will not see any of their replies, a shame in a forum but will be a better way of avoiding unpleasant rows. I don't mind serious debate, or leg pulling and banter but posts with the sole intention to demean and deride go too far, engaging in character assassination and gaslighting etc...

 

[paul7388]

Coronavirus is 'uniquely adapted to infect humans': Top vaccine scientist says it could only have come from an animal through a 'freak of nature' - and the possibility it leaked from Wuhan lab MUST be investigated

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A team of scientists has produced evidence that the pandemic virus is ‘uniquely adapted to infect humans’, raising fresh questions over whether its origins were natural or could have occurred in a laboratory.

Professor Nikolai Petrovsky, a top vaccine researcher who headed the Australian team, said the virus was ‘not typical of a normal zoonotic [animal to human] infection’ since it appeared with the ‘exceptional’ ability to enter human bodies from day one.

He said the virus should have emerged from an animal through ‘a freak event of nature’ but the possibility that it had leaked from a laboratory could not be ruled out.

"I haven’t seen a zoonotic virus that has behaved in this way before,’ he said

He told The Mail on Sunday that new viruses crossing over from animals normally strengthen as they adapt to human hosts, but for unexplained reasons, this new coronavirus seems perfectly adapted to infect humans without the need to evolve.

He pointed to the ‘coincidence’ that the most closely related known viruses were being studied in a laboratory in Wuhan, the Chinese city where the pandemic erupted, and insisted that the possibility of a leak, however remote, should not be ignored in the search for its origin.

‘The implications may not be good for scientists or global politics, but just because the answers might cause problems, we can’t run away from them,’ he added. ‘There is currently no evidence of a leak but enough circumstantial data to concern us. It remains a possibility until it is ruled out.’

Richard Ebright, one of the world’s top biosecurity experts, also told this newspaper that the odds of this new virus containing such unusual features and occurring naturally were ‘possible – but improbable’.

Ebright, professor of chemical biology at Rutgers University, in New Jersey, said scientists at the Wuhan Institute of Virology were creating chimeric coronaviruses (new hybrid micro-organisms) and seeking funding to test their ability to infect human cells while using procedures that leave no sign of human manipulation.

He also highlighted the ‘furin cleavage site’, which allows the spike protein to bind to cells in human tissues including the lungs, liver and small intestines.

Previous studies have noted the efficiency of this cleavage method, which does not exist in the most similar coronaviruses – although researchers in 2009 modified the SARS virus to introduce a furin cleavage site in a similar position to Sars-CoV-2 and found this increased the infectivity of the virus.

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^ food for thought ... I have added a few members to my ignore list so I will not see any of their replies, a shame in a forum but will be a better way of avoiding unpleasant rows. I don't mind serious debate, or leg pulling and banter but posts with the sole intention to demean and deride go too far, engaging in character assassination and gaslighting etc...

My that was a quick week break.

Only joking Mack good to see you posting.

And if i don't get a like i know i am on your list

 

[pinnit2014]

Someone's been chopping

 

[Harry_BKK]

Coronavirus is 'uniquely adapted to infect humans': Top vaccine scientist says it could only have come from an animal through a 'freak of nature' - and the possibility it leaked from Wuhan lab MUST be investigated

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A team of scientists has produced evidence that the pandemic virus is ‘uniquely adapted to infect humans’, raising fresh questions over whether its origins were natural or could have occurred in a laboratory.

Professor Nikolai Petrovsky, a top vaccine researcher who headed the Australian team, said the virus was ‘not typical of a normal zoonotic [animal to human] infection’ since it appeared with the ‘exceptional’ ability to enter human bodies from day one.

He said the virus should have emerged from an animal through ‘a freak event of nature’ but the possibility that it had leaked from a laboratory could not be ruled out.

"I haven’t seen a zoonotic virus that has behaved in this way before,’ he said

He told The Mail on Sunday that new viruses crossing over from animals normally strengthen as they adapt to human hosts, but for unexplained reasons, this new coronavirus seems perfectly adapted to infect humans without the need to evolve.

He pointed to the ‘coincidence’ that the most closely related known viruses were being studied in a laboratory in Wuhan, the Chinese city where the pandemic erupted, and insisted that the possibility of a leak, however remote, should not be ignored in the search for its origin.

‘The implications may not be good for scientists or global politics, but just because the answers might cause problems, we can’t run away from them,’ he added. ‘There is currently no evidence of a leak but enough circumstantial data to concern us. It remains a possibility until it is ruled out.’

Richard Ebright, one of the world’s top biosecurity experts, also told this newspaper that the odds of this new virus containing such unusual features and occurring naturally were ‘possible – but improbable’.

Ebright, professor of chemical biology at Rutgers University, in New Jersey, said scientists at the Wuhan Institute of Virology were creating chimeric coronaviruses (new hybrid micro-organisms) and seeking funding to test their ability to infect human cells while using procedures that leave no sign of human manipulation.

He also highlighted the ‘furin cleavage site’, which allows the spike protein to bind to cells in human tissues including the lungs, liver and small intestines.

Previous studies have noted the efficiency of this cleavage method, which does not exist in the most similar coronaviruses – although researchers in 2009 modified the SARS virus to introduce a furin cleavage site in a similar position to Sars-CoV-2 and found this increased the infectivity of the virus.

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^ food for thought ... I have added a few members to my ignore list so I will not see any of their replies, a shame in a forum but will be a better way of avoiding unpleasant rows. I don't mind serious debate, or leg pulling and banter but posts with the sole intention to demean and deride go too far, engaging in character assassination and gaslighting etc...

No food for thought, sorry mate.

Australia was the only country supporting the US in trying to push China into a corner. So anything like this fits exactly the profile.

Let them show proof. What I know is that viruses can be read in a similar way like tree rings, so you can follow back the mutations. So far, all scientists say it is of natural zoonotic origin.

Why are these people presenting their opinions/thoughts and not proper evidence? Where is the alleged study? Has it been peer-reviewed?

Everyone with a name big enough can run out and make some claim nowadays and some nutjobs will run the story without fact-checking, without providing proper proof because anything with COVID and WUHAN in the text will get you millions of clicks.

Here a just as accomplished scientist. FOOD FOR THOUGHT?

 

[cncas2123]

No food for thought, sorry mate.

Australia was the only country supporting the US in trying to push China into a corner. So anything like this fits exactly the profile.

Let them show proof. What I know is that viruses can be read in a similar way like tree rings, so you can follow back the mutations. So far, all scientists say it is of natural zoonotic origin.

Why are these people presenting their opinions/thoughts and not proper evidence? Where is the alleged study? Has it been peer-reviewed?

Everyone with a name big enough can run out and make some claim nowadays and some nutjobs will run the story without fact-checking, without providing proper proof because anything with COVID and WUHAN in the text will get you millions of clicks.

Here a just as accomplished scientist. FOOD FOR THOUGHT?

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Why let facts get in the way of a good conspiracy theory? Almost all respected scientific data and fact on this disease shows it was a natural mutation and some have indicated it most likely jumped from bat into another species before entering humans.
Part of fighting the virus will be finding out how it mutated, and six months down the line most data gathered shows it wasn't lab produced, even Pompeo has started back tracking on his lab claims.

But as I say, why let facts get in the way of a good conspiracy theory.......

 

[Jono777]

Positive read earlier that the "work in progress" vaccine may not even have enough test subjects due to how fast the reported cases are dropping daily here in the UK.

Hopefully a pattern we will see world wide until its pretty much gone!

 

[Harry_BKK]

Coronavirus is 'uniquely adapted to infect humans': Top vaccine scientist says it could only have come from an animal through a 'freak of nature' - and the possibility it leaked from Wuhan lab MUST be investigated

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A team of scientists has produced evidence that the pandemic virus is ‘uniquely adapted to infect humans’, raising fresh questions over whether its origins were natural or could have occurred in a laboratory.

Professor Nikolai Petrovsky, a top vaccine researcher who headed the Australian team, said the virus was ‘not typical of a normal zoonotic [animal to human] infection’ since it appeared with the ‘exceptional’ ability to enter human bodies from day one.

He said the virus should have emerged from an animal through ‘a freak event of nature’ but the possibility that it had leaked from a laboratory could not be ruled out.

"I haven’t seen a zoonotic virus that has behaved in this way before,’ he said

He told The Mail on Sunday that new viruses crossing over from animals normally strengthen as they adapt to human hosts, but for unexplained reasons, this new coronavirus seems perfectly adapted to infect humans without the need to evolve.

He pointed to the ‘coincidence’ that the most closely related known viruses were being studied in a laboratory in Wuhan, the Chinese city where the pandemic erupted, and insisted that the possibility of a leak, however remote, should not be ignored in the search for its origin.

‘The implications may not be good for scientists or global politics, but just because the answers might cause problems, we can’t run away from them,’ he added. ‘There is currently no evidence of a leak but enough circumstantial data to concern us. It remains a possibility until it is ruled out.’

Richard Ebright, one of the world’s top biosecurity experts, also told this newspaper that the odds of this new virus containing such unusual features and occurring naturally were ‘possible – but improbable’.

Ebright, professor of chemical biology at Rutgers University, in New Jersey, said scientists at the Wuhan Institute of Virology were creating chimeric coronaviruses (new hybrid micro-organisms) and seeking funding to test their ability to infect human cells while using procedures that leave no sign of human manipulation.

He also highlighted the ‘furin cleavage site’, which allows the spike protein to bind to cells in human tissues including the lungs, liver and small intestines.

Previous studies have noted the efficiency of this cleavage method, which does not exist in the most similar coronaviruses – although researchers in 2009 modified the SARS virus to introduce a furin cleavage site in a similar position to Sars-CoV-2 and found this increased the infectivity of the virus.

------------

^ food for thought ... I have added a few members to my ignore list so I will not see any of their replies, a shame in a forum but will be a better way of avoiding unpleasant rows. I don't mind serious debate, or leg pulling and banter but posts with the sole intention to demean and deride go too far, engaging in character assassination and gaslighting etc...

Here's a comment from another Australian virologist. You can google his name for his credentials.

 

[mack341]

No food for thought, sorry mate.

Australia was the only country supporting the US in trying to push China into a corner. So anything like this fits exactly the profile.

Let them show proof. What I know is that viruses can be read in a similar way like tree rings, so you can follow back the mutations. So far, all scientists say it is of natural zoonotic origin.

Why are these people presenting their opinions/thoughts and not proper evidence? Where is the alleged study? Has it been peer-reviewed?

Everyone with a name big enough can run out and make some claim nowadays and some nutjobs will run the story without fact-checking, without providing proper proof because anything with COVID and WUHAN in the text will get you millions of clicks.

Here a just as accomplished scientist. FOOD FOR THOUGHT?

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I am not particularly interested in the bash the chinese angle, that was not the intention of my post. Though I do reserve the right to dislike some of the 'cultural' foodie things etc... that go on there, and the dictatorship, it leads to degrading and bullying treatment of people by thugs in uniform. [and worse treatment if you follow that spiritual practice of falun gong it seems]

I think the way this virus has sprinted out of the tracks is odd, along with a 14 day incubation period, I don't see how it can sit undetected in the body that long, a cold is perhaps 1-2 days after exposure you notice symptoms where your body is trying to fight it off, like an inflamed throat.

And another part of that article mentioned a scientist going pale when he learnt of the furin cleavage site aspect of this virus, so that is obviously a concern as that was manipulated into the previous sars virus in research work and not naturally there.

 

[cncas2123]

Here's a comment from another Australian virologist. You can google his name for his credentials.

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I have to ask is it easier or better for us to believe that its man made rather than a natural occurrence?

If we admit it is natural then we face up to the fact that we are going to face mutations all the time and the day will eventually come when there's nothing we can do to fight, but if we say it was man made then we believe we can at least exert some control over it?

 

[Harry_BKK]

I am not particularly interested in the bash the chinese angle, that was not the intention of my post. Though I do reserve the right to dislike some of the 'cultural' foodie things etc... that go on there, and the dictatorship, it leads to degrading and bullying treatment of people by thugs in uniform. [and worse treatment if you follow that spiritual practice of falun gong it seems]

I think the way this virus has sprinted out of the tracks is odd, along with a 14 day incubation period, I don't see how it can sit undetected in the body that long, a cold is perhaps 1-2 days after exposure you notice symptoms where your body is trying to fight it off, like an inflamed throat.

And another part of that article mentioned a scientist going pale when he learnt of the furin cleavage site aspect of this virus, so that is obviously a concern as that was manipulated into the previous sars virus in research work and not naturally there.

Your Daily Mail article is a SEO feast for COVID news, nothing else. It is a SEO hit job I wouldn't be able to write much better.

Do you know or understand what furin cleavage is? I don't and so doesn't the newspaper who just puts out statements without the proper underlying details (study, information, explanation) All sounds swanky and accusatory without providing any evidence whatsoever.

 

[Harry_BKK]

I have to ask is it easier or better for us to believe that its man made rather than a natural occurrence?

If we admit it is natural then we face up to the fact that we are going to face mutations all the time and the day will eventually come when there's nothing we can do to fight, but if we say it was man made then we believe we can at least exert some control over it?

We had 6 or 7 coronaviruses since the first one was discovered scientifically in the 1930s, IIRC. Three of those in the last 17 years, it sure looks like the mutation is happening faster. Well, viruses mutate all the time from what I read, hence, I mean mutations that make the zoonotic jump possible.

Although I think the higher frequency has much to do with humans intruding increasingly into the habitat of such animals that are intermediate hosts.

Humans will always survive pandemics, question is only how many will die prematurely because of it. You can always stop a pandemic by stopping the movement of people and wait until all infected cases have recovered/died.

 

[mack341]

Here's a comment from another Australian virologist. You can google his name for his credentials.

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are we 100% certain of the timeline of the virus, the french said they had a case in december, plus the military games theory is interesting.

My parents were very ill in january, bed bound which is unlike them and was not the flu, and I remember hearing lots of people coughing in shops in december, a persistent type too.

not to bring it back to him, but trump's re-election prospects have taken a big hit and he has been engaging in protracted trade wars with china, even if it wasn't deliberate the virus could help remove trump from the equation.

Then you have the gates angle, he seems confident a vaccine will be discovered but the science up to now has shown vaccines for these types of virus are very difficult to create, there are some fishy aspects to his pandemic exercises and event 201, digital IDs and also doing away with physical money has long been a goal of govts. [financial sanctions on countries govts would then have much more bite too if you think about it]

cui bono, hopefully there is nothing in it and I actually don't want the conspiracy angle to be true, I would be much more pleased if life went back to how it was a few months ago. But how would authorities bring in long term changes into society [that perhaps they've wanted for a while] without a fearful event generating the required consent.

It's also about A.I , the potential of that to order human society, but first we need to be linked more into the 'grid', hence another reason for smart meters that can turn off your energy supply, an aspect of remote control that could be used in a negative way in the future, which is what this is probably about, what society is like in 10-30 years time not today or tomorrow.

 

[mack341]

Your That Daily Mail article is a SEO feast for COVID news, nothing else. It is a SEO hit job I wouldn't be able to write much better.

Do you know or understand what furin cleavage is? I don't and so doesn't the newspaper who just puts out statements without the proper underlying details (study, information, explanation) All sounds swanky and accusatory without providing any evidence whatsoever.

They are unlikely to go into the science of this furin cleavage but mentioning it allows readers to look it up further on proper science sites.

It is a quoted article of a professor's views and opinions, that's all. You seem to be suggesting in your other post that he is part of some australian/US plot to harm china, is this not a conspiracy theory?

[saying that US intelligence does have strong ties to australia with the important 'Pine gap' monitoring and spying facility]

Most article headlines online are phrased to achieve hits [seo?] so it is not a unique seo hit job which makes the article trash in it's content.

 

[cncas2123]

Jeez I’m just catching up on some of the posts and I see someone has thrown a “Trumpie” as they were called out on their constant fake news that they could never back up with real evidence.

And when you ask them to provide facts or proof of what they are saying they just ignore and post new fake news.

What odds I’m on the bad boy list - 1/1000??

Harry_BKK is a lot more diplomatic about it than I’ll ever be, maybe his BS detector is always set to stun .

 

[Harry_BKK]

are we 100% certain of the timeline of the virus, the french said they had a case in december, plus the military games theory is interesting.

My parents were very ill in january, bed bound which is unlike them and was not the flu, and I remember hearing lots of people coughing in shops in december, a persistent type too.

not to bring it back to him, but trump's re-election prospects have taken a big hit and he has been engaging in protracted trade wars with china, even if it wasn't deliberate the virus could help remove trump from the equation.

Then you have the gates angle, he seems confident a vaccine will be discovered but the science up to now has shown vaccines for these types of virus are very difficult to create, there are some fishy aspects to his pandemic exercises and event 201, digital IDs and also doing away with physical money has long been a goal of govts. [financial sanctions on countries govts would then have much more bite too if you think about it]

cui bono, hopefully there is nothing in it and I actually don't want the conspiracy angle to be true, I would be much more pleased if life went back to how it was a few months ago. But how would authorities bring in long term changes into society [that perhaps they've wanted for a while] without a fearful event generating the required consent.

It's also about A.I , the potential of that to order human society, but first we need to be linked more into the 'grid', hence another reason for smart meters that can turn off your energy supply, an aspect of remote control that could be used in a negative way in the future, which is what this is probably about, what society is like in 10-30 years time not today or tomorrow.

Mate, read some history to get off the "conspiracy" trainwreck. Humans have battled epidemics/pandemics as long as homo sapiens has been walking on this planet. Remember we are part of nature which does not have a social feeling/thinking, it is all about balance to keep it on the best trajectory.

Viruses have been natural enemies but also very beneficial for our evolution. Whatever we do, there will always be something that will disrupt our rather worry-free livelihoods.

My son had a cold with a bad cough in the last week of Jan and the beginning of Feb. Probably about 2/3 of humans will have some cold in every winter season and each year influenza has some new strains which as you have highlighted yourself at times kills thousands of people worldwide. You can always have your parents take an antibody test to have peace of mind.

Mr T had little chance to get reelected anyway (see 2018). It has not changed much TBH, his base which is 35-40% of the US is still there and will stay no matter what.

And no, I don't believe and don't give a flying monkey about AI. We use and enjoy it day in, day out ever since the first "computer" was built, now suddenly we want to say stop. When has evolution ever stopped? Can you cite one example?

 

[slotplayer]

Coronavirus is 'uniquely adapted to infect humans': Top vaccine scientist says it could only have come from an animal through a 'freak of nature' - and the possibility it leaked from Wuhan lab MUST be investigated

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A team of scientists has produced evidence that the pandemic virus is ‘uniquely adapted to infect humans’, raising fresh questions over whether its origins were natural or could have occurred in a laboratory.

Professor Nikolai Petrovsky, a top vaccine researcher who headed the Australian team, said the virus was ‘not typical of a normal zoonotic [animal to human] infection’ since it appeared with the ‘exceptional’ ability to enter human bodies from day one.

He said the virus should have emerged from an animal through ‘a freak event of nature’ but the possibility that it had leaked from a laboratory could not be ruled out.

"I haven’t seen a zoonotic virus that has behaved in this way before,’ he said

He told The Mail on Sunday that new viruses crossing over from animals normally strengthen as they adapt to human hosts, but for unexplained reasons, this new coronavirus seems perfectly adapted to infect humans without the need to evolve.

He pointed to the ‘coincidence’ that the most closely related known viruses were being studied in a laboratory in Wuhan, the Chinese city where the pandemic erupted, and insisted that the possibility of a leak, however remote, should not be ignored in the search for its origin.

‘The implications may not be good for scientists or global politics, but just because the answers might cause problems, we can’t run away from them,’ he added. ‘There is currently no evidence of a leak but enough circumstantial data to concern us. It remains a possibility until it is ruled out.’

Richard Ebright, one of the world’s top biosecurity experts, also told this newspaper that the odds of this new virus containing such unusual features and occurring naturally were ‘possible – but improbable’.

Ebright, professor of chemical biology at Rutgers University, in New Jersey, said scientists at the Wuhan Institute of Virology were creating chimeric coronaviruses (new hybrid micro-organisms) and seeking funding to test their ability to infect human cells while using procedures that leave no sign of human manipulation.

He also highlighted the ‘furin cleavage site’, which allows the spike protein to bind to cells in human tissues including the lungs, liver and small intestines.

Previous studies have noted the efficiency of this cleavage method, which does not exist in the most similar coronaviruses – although researchers in 2009 modified the SARS virus to introduce a furin cleavage site in a similar position to Sars-CoV-2 and found this increased the infectivity of the virus.

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^ food for thought ... I have added a few members to my ignore list so I will not see any of their replies, a shame in a forum but will be a better way of avoiding unpleasant rows. I don't mind serious debate, or leg pulling and banter but posts with the sole intention to demean and deride go too far, engaging in character assassination and gaslighting etc...

 

[mack341]

Mate, read some history to get off the "conspiracy" trainwreck. Humans have battled epidemics/pandemics as long as homo sapiens has been walking on this planet. Remember we are part of nature which does not have a social feeling/thinking, it is all about balance to keep it on the best trajectory.

Viruses have been natural enemies but also very beneficial for our evolution. Whatever we do, there will always be something that will disrupt our rather worry-free livelihoods.

My son had a cold with a bad cough in the last week of Jan and the beginning of Feb. Probably about 2/3 of humans will have some cold in every winter season and each year influenza has some new strains which as you have highlighted yourself at times kills thousands of people worldwide. You can always have your parents take an antibody test to have peace of mind.

Mr T had little chance to get reelected anyway (see 2018). It has not changed much TBH, his base which is 35-40% of the US is still there and will stay no matter what.

And no, I don't believe and don't give a flying monkey about AI. We use and enjoy it day in, day out ever since the first "computer" was built, now suddenly we want to say stop. When has evolution ever stopped? Can you cite one example?

so nature created this virus to [reduce population?] maintain balance? Yes could be true, I wouldn't rule it out, but the human aspect needs to be checked thoroughly as well, since labs and scientists are probably fiddling and experimenting with harmful viruses daily.

It's the potential of A.I, at the moment the power of computers has not been harnessed for direct behaviour control of humans in society, [indirect yes through the internet and tracking adverts, algorithms etc..] in china they are setting up social points systems or something which use tracking cameras.

It's a work in progress, you may not give a flying monkey but for example there was a lot of debate and talk about cambridge analytica, to manipulate and predict voting patterns etc.. these things are important in a functioning and free democracy.

 

[Harry_BKK]

They are unlikely to go into the science of this furin cleavage but mentioning it allows readers to look it up further on proper science sites.

It is a quoted article of a professor's views and opinions, that's all. You seem to be suggesting in your other post that he is part of some australian/US plot to harm china, is this not a conspiracy theory?

[saying that US intelligence does have strong ties to australia with the important 'Pine gap' monitoring and spying facility]

Most article headlines online are phrased to achieve hits [seo?] so it is not a unique seo hit job which makes the article trash in it's content.

They don't need to explain every little detail, but if they want to present a well-researched factual article then they will directly link to studies/Wikipedia etc and not just throw a name with some title and a few words into the open as if that gives it weight or authority.

It's not a conspiracy theory that the US wants to blame China. They did it in the open - Mr.T, Pompano, Esper, Griroir, Hannity, your friend Tucky and plenty more. The Australian right-wing government instantly jumped onto the wagon. They all said they have a "huge amount of evidence", to this day NADA, ZIP, ZILCH.

All others said we need to see factual evidence to make a proper assessment and they will work together to find out where it originated and prepare better for future pandemics.

The question you should be asking is why all those I named above have gone rather quiet lately? Maybe because they were trying to blame China and found out they got no proof to show?

I venture to say that the US intelligence or any one of the Five Eyes has that lab in Wuhan on a satellite 24/7/365 ever since it opened in 2018. There are not many P4 labs in the world and I would bet my last shirt the US is keeping an eye on all of them. Sattelite imagery is so good nowadays that they can read a newspaper somebody is holding up on the ground. So if anything had gone wrong, they would know it.

Once again, the Daily Mail article is a pure SEO hit job and not to inform people. I don't know how much you know about SEO but let's say the UK has 200 - 300 news outlets. Everyone wants to be on page 1 because hardly anyone will go to page 10 in a search.

For news outlets, it is especially tough as they deal with headline news which many are reporting often at the same time. Hence, you need stellar SEO tactics to be on page one from all those hundreds who report the same. And that article is 100% about SEO to keep the Google ranking, zero about information. They quoted mostly half-sentences, which never conveys the entire context somebody is saying. I am sure those scientists had more to say than just a few words. But they didn't quote it because they needed the space for the SEO segments.

 

[Harry_BKK]

There you are, jumping on the opportunity! Why am I not surprised!

 

[slotplayer]

There you are, jumping on the opportunity! Why am I not surprised! View attachment 132389

What opportunity? I saw Mac's post and was also watching the Sky news AU videos like I always do and decided to post the actual interview with the Professor.

 

[mack341]

They don't need to explain every little detail, but if they want to present a well-researched factual article then they will directly link to studies/Wikipedia etc and not just throw a name with some title and a few words into the open as if that gives it weight or authority.

It's not a conspiracy theory that the US wants to blame China. They did it in the open - Mr.T, Pompano, Esper, Griroir, Hannity, your friend Tucky and plenty more. The Australian right-wing government instantly jumped onto the wagon. They all said they have a "huge amount of evidence", to this day NADA, ZIP, ZILCH.

All others said we need to see factual evidence to make a proper assessment and they will work together to find out where it originated and prepare better for future pandemics.

The question you should be asking is why all those I named above have gone rather quiet lately? Maybe because they were trying to blame China and found out they got no proof to show?

I venture to say that the US intelligence or any one of the Five Eyes has that lab in Wuhan on a satellite 24/7/365 ever since it opened in 2018. There are not many P4 labs in the world and I would bet my last shirt the US is keeping an eye on all of them. Sattelite imagery is so good nowadays that they can read a newspaper somebody is holding up on the ground. So if anything had gone wrong, they would know it.

Once again, the Daily Mail article is a pure SEO hit job and not to inform people. I don't know how much you know about SEO but let's say the UK has 200 - 300 news outlets. Everyone wants to be on page 1 because hardly anyone will go to page 10 in a search.

For news outlets, it is especially tough as they deal with headline news which many are reporting often at the same time. Hence, you need stellar SEO tactics to be on page one from all those hundreds who report the same. And that article is 100% about SEO to keep the Google ranking, zero about information. They quoted mostly half-sentences, which never conveys the entire context somebody is saying. I am sure those scientists had more to say than just a few words. But they didn't quote it because they needed the space for the SEO segments.

It's the way the daily mail have written their articles for years, it's probably a reprint of today's sunday mail physical article, there maybe future follow up articles with more science and graphics/charts.

But people aren't going to read pages of long scientific quotes, a paper like this is just to give the general public interesting tidbits, help them stay informed about the events/views involved in something like this covid-19 outbreak. It's just a starting point, slotplayer's video of the professor goes into more of the details.

It is a conspiracy to say a professor has been enlisted by the US/aussies to engage in misinformation and bogus science in order to blame china, sure politicians like trump have blamed china, millions of people around the world do too. But actually waging a deliberate operation with academics etc.. to achieve that aim is a considerable step further.

 

[Gaz237]

Completely agree, no way at all can he keep his job after this, and nor should the MP's who blindly backed him tbh. How can there be any confidence in anything the government does in relation to lockdowns etc, when they have a set of rules, laws, which, arguably the second most important person in the government, then just says ' stuff this, I don't have to follow the rules I helped write'. Anyone backing him should also be removed, as they have basically said, yeah we agree, he can do what he wants.

Well, must admit I am pretty shocked with the outcome.

I voted Tory for the first time ever, but have lost all respect for Boris and most of his cronies now.

I really hope the press or public come up with more details on Cummings and this comes back to bite them in the arse.

 

[cncas2123]

Shocking that Boris would rather support Cummings and give the press and the opposition parties ammunition to say that it’s one rule for the general public and another for the government, than get rid of him and show that he was a true leader.
I am certain this will come back and haunt him.

 

[Gaz237]

BoJo can't really do a deal with Cummings as he is hand picked and not elected. It is entirely up to BoJo what happens next, if he backs his man he is putting 2 fingers up to the whole country, if he sacks his man he will at least show he has a pair of balls and a bit of honour.
I would be surprised if Cummings is going to be his adviser at this time tomorrow......

I,m beyond shocked at Boris backing him to the hilt. Such hypocrisy

 

[cncas2123]

I,m beyond shocked at Boris backing him to the hilt. Such hypocrisy

Agree 100% and I bet there’s a lot of labour voters who voted for him that will see this as a slap in the face.

 

[mack341]

The question you should be asking is why all those I named above have gone rather quiet lately? Maybe because they were trying to blame China and found out they got no proof to show?

france 24 - 6th may

China will not invite international experts to investigate the source of Covid-19 until after securing the "final victory" over the virus, Beijing's UN ambassador in Geneva said Wednesday despite mounting calls for an independent probe into China’s handling of the outbreak.

The World Health Organisation (WHO) says it is waiting on an invitation from China to take part in its investigations into the animal origins of the virus, first reported in the city of Wuhan in December.

The revelation came amid a growing international backlash against China’s

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, who have launched an aggressive push-back against governments calling for an independent investigation into the outbreak that has killed more than 250,000 people across the world and plunged economies into a global recession.

"For whether or how the invitation will take place, we need to have the right priority setting at this moment, and on the other hand, we need the right atmosphere."

 

[colinsunderland]

Well, must admit I am pretty shocked with the outcome.

I voted Tory for the first time ever, but have lost all respect for Boris and most of his cronies now.

I really hope the press or public come up with more details on Cummings and this comes back to bite them in the arse.

Me too, however the press conference was brilliant, proper car crash TV, failing to answer any questions, cutting reporters off, never seen anything like it.
It's a shame the reporters weren't in the room, would love to know why his wife's brother and wife, who live in the next street, couldn't provide the childcare.

On another note.....someones getting sacked

Don't believe for one minute there isn't more to come on all this, someone must have CCTV, photos or dashcam footage of him. Pippa Crerar has also hinted theres more to come. I noticed when Bojo was asked directly about the trip to Barnard Castle, he didn't deny the trip was made, just said he believed DC had acted in the correct way and hadn't broken any laws.

If evidence comes out that shows he was there, or went back, after Bojo stated it is lies, then surely he has to go too.

 

[Harry_BKK]

It's the way the daily mail have written their articles for years, it's probably a reprint of today's sunday mail physical article, there maybe future follow up articles with more science and graphics/charts.

But people aren't going to read pages of long scientific quotes, a paper like this is just to give the general public interesting tidbits, help them stay informed about the events/views involved in something like this covid-19 outbreak. It's just a starting point, slotplayer's video of the professor goes into more of the details.

It is a conspiracy to say a professor has been enlisted by the US/aussies to engage in misinformation and bogus science in order to blame china, sure politicians like trump have blamed china, millions of people around the world do too. But actually waging a deliberate operation with academics etc.. to achieve that aim is a considerable step further.

Mack, google how many species live in the area of Wuhan (let's say 500-mile radius) that could be an intermediate host. They did a computer simulation with 12 possible animals and base their entire findings on that.

Is that how science works for you? Or is it rather blurting out some finding to fit a "desired narrative"? Because it has neither been peer-reviewed, nor properly tested with live animals that could be hosts etc. Any serious scientist will first point out that it was not peer-reviewed, second point to the possible flaws in the study (e.g. no live animal test) and not say nonsense like this below.

And then this guy here:

 

[Harry_BKK]

france 24 - 6th may

China will not invite international experts to investigate the source of Covid-19 until after securing the "final victory" over the virus, Beijing's UN ambassador in Geneva said Wednesday despite mounting calls for an independent probe into China’s handling of the outbreak.

The World Health Organisation (WHO) says it is waiting on an invitation from China to take part in its investigations into the animal origins of the virus, first reported in the city of Wuhan in December.

The revelation came amid a growing international backlash against China’s

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, who have launched an aggressive push-back against governments calling for an independent investigation into the outbreak that has killed more than 250,000 people across the world and plunged economies into a global recession.

"For whether or how the invitation will take place, we need to have the right priority setting at this moment, and on the other hand, we need the right atmosphere."

I told you already weeks or months ago. The WHO has no legal mandate the enter any country or send people from their regional offices to a location within a country. That is how it was set-up decades ago.

 

[ternur]

efficiency of this cleavage method

Do you know or understand what furin cleavage is?

They are unlikely to go into the science of this furin cleavage

with the important 'Pine gap'

If there ever was a moment when Goatwack was needed, this would qualify.

 

[cncas2123]

Mack, google how many species live in the area of Wuhan (let's say 500-mile radius) that could be an intermediate host. They did a computer simulation with 12 possible animals and base their entire findings on that.

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Is that how science works for you? Or is it rather blurting out some finding to fit a "desired narrative"? Because it has neither been peer-reviewed, nor properly tested with live animals that could be hosts etc. Any serious scientist will first point out that it was not peer-reviewed, second point to the possible flaws in the study (e.g. no live animal test) and not say nonsense like this below.

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And then this guy here:

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Harry this is the MO for Mack, throw out fake news and conspiracy theory , try and manipulate it to fit your agenda , ignore every fact placed in front of you and carry on with the narrative.
Nothing you will post will change his mind , he hasn’t got the ability to process fact as it doesn’t suit what he wants to belief.
Each time you disprove his argument he moves on to another piece in the conspiracy theory , he will never answer your evidence.
Now I’m going to be reported for bullying but I can’t let BS pass me by without calling it out.

 

[Gaz237]

Me too, however the press conference was brilliant, proper car crash TV, failing to answer any questions, cutting reporters off, never seen anything like it.
It's a shame the reporters weren't in the room, would love to know why his wife's brother and wife, who live in the next street, couldn't provide the childcare.

On another note.....someones getting sacked

View attachment 132397

Don't believe for one minute there isn't more to come on all this, someone must have CCTV, photos or dashcam footage of him. Pippa Crerar has also hinted theres more to come. I noticed when Bojo was asked directly about the trip to Barnard Castle, he didn't deny the trip was made, just said he believed DC had acted in the correct way and hadn't broken any laws.

If evidence comes out that shows he was there, or went back, after Bojo stated it is lies, then surely he has to go too.

Regardless of what happens from now on ( but I truly hope there's more to come on Cummings and Boris is forced to sack him) due to the sheer hypocrisy of Boris and Cummings along with the arrogance and utter contempt from them both, in regards towards Cummings actions. I think the Tory party and especially Boris have done irreparable damage long term.

I actually feel personally angry at Boris as it feels like he is genuinely taking the piss out of us.

 

[cncas2123]

Me too, however the press conference was brilliant, proper car crash TV, failing to answer any questions, cutting reporters off, never seen anything like it.
It's a shame the reporters weren't in the room, would love to know why his wife's brother and wife, who live in the next street, couldn't provide the childcare.

On another note.....someones getting sacked

View attachment 132397

Don't believe for one minute there isn't more to come on all this, someone must have CCTV, photos or dashcam footage of him. Pippa Crerar has also hinted theres more to come. I noticed when Bojo was asked directly about the trip to Barnard Castle, he didn't deny the trip was made, just said he believed DC had acted in the correct way and hadn't broken any laws.

If evidence comes out that shows he was there, or went back, after Bojo stated it is lies, then surely he has to go too.

I think BoJo has made a really bad decision on this and if the press get more evidence it’s not going to sit well, but maybe the truth of the matter is that Cummings is the real power in Downing St. That’s what a lot of the opposition MPs had been saying and maybe it’s the truth.
Whatever the outcome I can’t see it being good in any way for Boris going forward.