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Have you ever asked yourself this question. What do my customers expect from me?
Here is a short list I've compiled and I'm sure there will be many other points contributed that I've left out. ;)

Make your terms and conditions very clear and very visible and not contradictory. Check or have someone check your website for outdated promo's, terms, conflicting information and dead links. There just isn't any excuse for errors in this very important area.
If I contact support please try to keep the wait time as short as possible. 5 minutes is acceptable, over 10 is not. If you need more staff......hire some.
If there is some big issue happening where many players are on the line or waiting on chat that keeps the wait longer than normal, please do come on the line and give us a short explanation. We are pretty understanding if you just explain. Oh and if it's taking a while to find or get what the customer is requesting, do come back on and say I'll be with you in a moment. Don't leave me hanging out there for more than 5 minutes wondering if I've been disconnected or ignored.
If I ask you a question and you don't know the answer.....don't pull something out of your arse. It's perfectly acceptable to say I'm sorry but I will find out and get back to you by tomorrow.
If you tell me that you will get back to me......for petes sake just do it, within 24 hours. If you still don't know the answer, that's OK, just say so and you can contact me again.....within 24 hours.
If I email you with a problem or a question, please take the time to actually read the email and don't respond with some pointless canned reply, that one really pisses me off. Again.....the 24 hour rule applies and if you don't know the answer, it's acceptable to say I will get back to you. What........you didn't even bother to reply at all?? Unforgivable!
Managers.......give your customer service people the information and the tools they need to do their job. Also give them some leeway about bonuses/freebies. Nothing frustrates a player more than (example) - "I just deposited $50.00 and it lasted 10 minutes, I didn't even get one bonus round. I was wondering since I'm a good customer who deposits XXX every month if you could throw me a little bone. I have 960 bonus points, if you would up it to 1000 so I can get my 10 spot, it would be much appreciated." WHAT......you can't do that? " Player immediately uninstalls your casino, you just said goodbye to your good customer who seldom bothers you. And.......yes you have records of who asks for the freebie every other day and no you don't have to give it to them. Head it off before it gets to the point of being aggravating, send them a email stating that they no longer will be receiving them because they are abusing your good will.
Use a spell check, always.
Don't be rude or condescending and no we don't expect you take abuse from your customers. If a customer is being abusive, tell them that you will talk to them at another time when they have calmed down and can communicate in an adult manner.
Never ever lie to your customers. The truth is always the best policy, no exceptions. Treat your players with the same respect and courtesy that you would expect when dealing with any business, be it a casino or otherwise.
Don't make your customers try to jump the moon to get their withdrawals by repeatably asking for their documents and do acknowledge receipt of them in a timely manner. If there is a issue with the documents, contact us within 24 hours, don't delay.
Pay out in the time period stated on your website. If you can't meet it, email the customer explaining the delay, don't wait for me to contact you. Not taking the initiative to contact me puts your business in a bad light and frankly just pisses me off. We've been ripped off and stalled too many times. Head off the frustration by being pro-active here.
I thought of a couple more points, I wanted to add.
Act like you appreciate your loyal customers by showing us your appreciation with bonuses and comps. Without us, your loyal player base.....you are out of business, remember that!

This is the Doctored one.
Someone took your original one and made this one fancy because you can tell you posted it first.I did not ever say you took it and made something out of it.
Your's Came Out First Point Blank


Essential reading for online gambling managers
27.04.2008
The importance of retaining good players in these difficult economic and competitive times is self-evident, yet support staff and managers continue to make fundamental errors in how they treat the customers on whom success depends.
Internet message boards still carry way too many tales of sad experiences at the hands of uncaring and less than efficient staff, leading to one player posting a straight-from-the-shoulder assessment this weekend of what a customer expects to receive in the way of service - it's worth reading as a refresher for Management 101.
The player questions rhetorically whether some managers have ever asked themselves: "What do my customers expect from me?" and goes on to provide the answers:
1. Make sure your terms and conditions are clear, very visible and not contradictory. Check or have someone senior check your website and email marketing for outdated promo's, terms, conflicting information and dead links. There just isn't any excuse for errors in this very important area that can initiate conflict with your players.
And if your company has screwed up on a promo, don't expect your players to carry the can for the error.
2. If I contact Support please try to keep the on-hold time as short as possible. 5 minutes is acceptable, over 10 is not. If you need more staff......hire some.
3. If there is some big issue happening where many players are kept waiting on the line or on live chat, resulting in longer than normal response times, come on line and give a short explanation, even an automated response. Communication is critically important to keep impatience at bay, and most players are pretty understanding if you just explain.
4. If it's taking awhile to find or retrieve what the customer is requesting, come back on with a reassurance that you are still there and don't leave the customer hanging out there for more than 5 minutes wondering about disconnection or simply being abandoned.
5. If I ask you a question and you don't know the answer.....don't pull something out of fantasy land. It's perfectly acceptable to say "I'm sorry, I don't presently have that information but I will find out and get back to you by tomorrow."
6. And logically, if you tell me that you will get back to me......for pete's sake just do it, within 24 hours. If you still don't know the answer, that's OK, just say so and you can contact me again.....within 24 hours. Beware of excuses like "He just stepped out for a moment but we'll get right back to you"....and then don't.
7. If I email you with a problem or a question, please take the time to actually read the email. Don't respond with some pointless canned (pre-prepared and irrelevant) reply; that is one of the big triggers for player frustration and anger. Again.....the 24 hour rule applies and if you don't know the answer, it's acceptable to say 'I will get back to you.' Worst of all, you didn't bother to respond at all (and yes, I've checked my filters!) Taking a "Too bloody difficult, just ignore" approach is just unprofessional....and unforgiveable.
8. Please give your customer service people the updated information and the tools they need to do their job. If you are confident in their ability and supervisor, it would be a good idea to additionally give them some discretion - on small bonuses and freebies, for example. Nothing frustrates a player more than being unable to get a response on (example) - "I just deposited $50.00 and it lasted 10 minutes, I didn't even get one bonus round. I was wondering since I'm a good customer who deposits XXX every month if you could throw me a little bone. I have 960 bonus points, if you would up it to 1000 so I can get my 10 spot, it would be much appreciated."
You can't do that? " Unfortunately (for you) the player is likely to immediately consider uninstalling your casino; you just said goodbye to a good, regular customer who seldom bothers you. And.......yes you have records of who asks for the freebie every other day and.... no, you don't have to give it to them. Head abusing players off before it gets to the point of being aggravating, send them a email stating that they no longer will be receiving freebies because they are abusing your good will.
9. Use Spell Check, always. Badly worded and misspelt communications deliver only a negative perception.
10. Don't be rude or condescending - players are customers who put the bread on the table. Players don't expect you take abuse from your customers, either. If a customer is being abusive, courteously tell them that you will talk to them when they have calmed down and can communicate in an adult manner.
11. Never lie to your customers. This Internet business is based on trust, and truth is the best policy to engender that trust. Treat your players with the same respect and courtesy that you would expect to receive yourself when dealing with any business, be it a casino or otherwise.
12. Don't make your customers jump through hoops and crawl through tunnels to get their cash withdrawals by repeatably asking for their documents presenting unfair or unnecessary obstacles. When ID or other documents are despatched to you, acknowledge their receipt immediately and take every care to protect the privacy of the sender. If there is an issue with the documents, contact the sender to get it rectified within 24 hours - no suspicious delays, please.
13. Pay out in the time period outlined on your website. If you can't meet it, email the customer explaining the delay, don't wait for the player to contact you again...and again....and again. Failing to take the initiative in this important area puts your business in a bad light and generates ill-will at the player end. Too many players have been ripped off and stalled way too many times. Head off the frustration by being pro-active here.
14. Please impress upon your staff the importance of giving your customers the perception that you appreciate their business. Show your appreciation for longstanding and loyal, trouble-free players by giving the occasional comp or bonus without prompting - it works wonders.
 
Hey, So now I have read the whole thread I wanted to tell bb28 that she can be assured BT didn't and doesn't mean any harm. Sometimes when we post we do so off the cuff and when we have alot to type or say, sometimes we dont include everything we should. The people that copied bb's post should speak up instead of letting us Meister members argue with each other. Maybe these other sites are enjoying the hype? Who knows. But I know Bingo Tom well enough to say I am certain he didn't mean to imply or insinuate anything derogatory or that you copied anything at all. BT likes to help and that is the most likely reason he posted at the other sites.
Patrina
 
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Your Welcome BB
And I never in my life ever want to harm anyone.I'm just sorry what I found and posted it.
I will not post anything again that I find around town unless it says by whom.or I will put the place I found it.
I do have to say I see many treads here I see from other people at other forums and they make it look like they did it.And it's word for word.
If you post a letter I say on the botom should read if they did it or someone else. Give Credit When Due.

Thanks Patrina
 
I don't believe what I just read over at CAP after Bingo clarified that I'm the original poster.

Posted by the professor.

BingoT I am not sure whats going on or what you are refering to, but this article was supplied by InfoPowa under license.

I would fully expect it to appear at Casinomeister as well as here as we are both lincensees of that news service.
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Can someone please help with this mess????


Bingo how about posting the link over at CAP to my original post. https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/attn-customer-service-and-managers.24387/

Maybe that will help with additional clarification.
 
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Your Welcome BB
And I never in my life ever want to harm anyone.I'm just sorry what I found and posted it.
I will not post anything again that I find around town unless it says by whom.or I will put the place I found it.
I do have to say I see many treads here I see from other people at other forums and they make it look like they did it.And it's word for word.
If you post a letter I say on the botom should read if they did it or someone else. Give Credit When Due.

Thanks Patrina

Here's what I think about the whole mess....it just came to me:

When in the course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
 
Here's what I think about the whole mess....it just came to me:

When in the course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.



Wow, what an absolute beautiful quote. :)
 
Bingo T it appears you were up to mischief as you started these whole fracas. I am not sure why you chose to go with the wording "doctored", but its inflamatory and I think you knew that. Until now I didnt know who BB was and wasnt aware of this thread.

BB As I explained over on CAP we subscribe to a number of network news feeds. That article was supplied to us by InfoPowa. CM features InfoPowa articles under license as do we. Reviewed Casinos allso subscribes to the service. That's why the article was posted there as well.

Infopowa has impecible credentials and thats why you find their articles at top websites such as CasinoMeister and ours. If there is an issue with original authorship then you have my full support in figuring out why this happened. It's all together possible that one of Infopowa's authors submitted it to them for distribution and they are unaware of the situation.

I have contacted InfoPowa and asked them to look into it ASAP and let us all know what happened.

Here is the original article feed I received via email subscription from InfoPowa:

ESSENTIAL READING FOR ONLINE GAMBLING MANAGERS

Straight from the shoulder tips on keeping players happy

The importance of retaining good players in these difficult economic and competitive times is self-evident, yet support staff and managers continue to make fundamental errors in how they treat the customers on whom success depends.

Internet message boards still carry way too many tales of sad experiences at the hands of uncaring and less than efficient staff, leading to one player posting a straight-from-the-shoulder assessment this weekend of what a customer expects to receive in the way of service - it's worth reading as a refresher for Management 101.

The player questions rhetorically whether some managers have ever asked themselves: "What do my customers expect from me?" and goes on to provide the answers:

1. Make sure your terms and conditions are clear, very visible and not contradictory. Check or have someone senior check your website and email marketing for outdated promo's, terms, conflicting information and dead links. There just isn't any excuse for errors in this very important area that can initiate conflict with your players.

And if your company has screwed up on a promo, don't expect your players to carry the can for the error.

2. If I contact Support please try to keep the on-hold time as short as possible. 5 minutes is acceptable, over 10 is not. If you need more staff......hire some.

3. If there is some big issue happening where many players are kept waiting on the line or on live chat, resulting in longer than normal response times, come on line and give a short explanation, even an automated response. Communication is critically important to keep impatience at bay, and most players are pretty understanding if you just explain.

4. If it's taking awhile to find or retrieve what the customer is requesting, come back on with a reassurance that you are still there and don't leave the customer hanging out there for more than 5 minutes wondering about disconnection or simply being abandoned.

5. If I ask you a question and you don't know the answer.....don't pull something out of fantasy land. It's perfectly acceptable to say "I'm sorry, I don't presently have that information but I will find out and get back to you by tomorrow."

6. And logically, if you tell me that you will get back to me......for pete's sake just do it, within 24 hours. If you still don't know the answer, that's OK, just say so and you can contact me again.....within 24 hours. Beware of excuses like "He just stepped out for a moment but we'll get right back to you"....and then don't.

7. If I email you with a problem or a question, please take the time to actually read the email. Don't respond with some pointless canned (pre-prepared and irrelevant) reply; that is one of the big triggers for player frustration and anger. Again.....the 24 hour rule applies and if you don't know the answer, it's acceptable to say 'I will get back to you.' Worst of all, you didn't bother to respond at all (and yes, I've checked my filters!) Taking a "Too bloody difficult, just ignore" approach is just unprofessional....and unforgiveable.

8. Please give your customer service people the updated information and the tools they need to do their job. If you are confident in their ability and supervisor, it would be a good idea to additionally give them some discretion - on small bonuses and freebies, for example. Nothing frustrates a player more than being unable to get a response on (example) - "I just deposited $50.00 and it lasted 10 minutes, I didn't even get one bonus round. I was wondering since I'm a good customer who deposits XXX every month if you could throw me a little bone. I have 960 bonus points, if you would up it to 1000 so I can get my 10 spot, it would be much appreciated."

You can't do that? " Unfortunately (for you) the player is likely to immediately consider uninstalling your casino; you just said goodbye to a good, regular customer who seldom bothers you. And.......yes you have records of who asks for the freebie every other day and.... no, you don't have to give it to them. Head abusing players off before it gets to the point of being aggravating, send them a email stating that they no longer will be receiving freebies because they are abusing your good will.

9. Use Spell Check, always. Badly worded and misspelt communications deliver only a negative perception.

10. Don't be rude or condescending - players are customers who put the bread on the table. Players don't expect you take abuse from your customers, either. If a customer is being abusive, courteously tell them that you will talk to them when they have calmed down and can communicate in an adult manner.

11. Never lie to your customers. This Internet business is based on trust, and truth is the best policy to engender that trust. Treat your players with the same respect and courtesy that you would expect to receive yourself when dealing with any business, be it a casino or otherwise.

12. Don't make your customers jump through hoops and crawl through tunnels to get their cash withdrawals by repeatably asking for their documents presenting unfair or unnecessary obstacles. When ID or other documents are despatched to you, acknowledge their receipt immediately and take every care to protect the privacy of the sender. If there is an issue with the documents, contact the sender to get it rectified within 24 hours - no suspicious delays, please.

13. Pay out in the time period outlined on your website. If you can't meet it, email the customer explaining the delay, don't wait for the player to contact you again...and again....and again. Failing to take the initiative in this important area puts your business in a bad light and generates ill-will at the player end. Too many players have been ripped off and stalled way too many times. Head off the frustration by being pro-active here.

14. Please impress upon your staff the importance of giving your customers the perception that you appreciate their business. Show your appreciation for longstanding and loyal, trouble-free players by giving the occasional comp or bonus without prompting - it works wonders.


UK GAMBLING COMPANIES FAIL TO CONTRIBUTE TO RESPONSIBLE GAMING FUNDING

Recalcitrant online companies are courting government compulsory levies

Despite warnings last year and this that a lack of voluntary contribution could lead to compulsory government levies (see previous InfoPowa reports) many British gambling companies continue to hold back on contributing to funds designed to help problem gamblers.

The UK media has picked up the story, claiming that as many as two-thirds of all UK gambling companies have so far failed to contribute. Of the 3 200 firms analysed by the Responsibility in Gambling Trust, only 1 000 have made donations, the reports reveal.

Smaller operators are particularly guilty, the organisation has revealed to the BBC.

While RITG has managed to reach its 2008 target of raising GBP 3.6 million through voluntary donations, these latest revelations are likely to prompt further calls for the government to introduce a compulsory levy.

According to Don Foster, culture spokesman for the Liberal Democrats, the amount contributed amounts to just GBP 14 per problem gambler, far less than the GBP 44 raised in New Zealand and GBP 40 in Canada. He told BBC Radio 5 Live: "It's the online gambling operators on the whole who are not contributing.

"We've got to say once and for all, 'Here is the amount we want - GBP 7 million plus, in a couple of years'. "Let's use that as the threat to the industry. Cough up double what's being paid now or else we have a compulsory levy to raise that amount of money."

The comments come as the Gambling Commission undertakes a review into the effectiveness of the current levels of voluntary contributions, though the RITG chairman has recently expressed his confidence that the body will be able to reach its target of GBP 7 million by 2010.


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Player K. Vasileiadis' ship of good fortune docked after he played the "Super Seven" game.

“This is a huge win and we are delighted for Mr Vasileiadis,” a spokesman for Sportingbet said. “He is a loyal customer and, despite the loss for Sportingbet.com, we are delighted to show how our customers can be true winners. I am sure that Mr Vasileiadis will enjoy spending the money and we hope that the experience of this win will stay with him for a long time."

The spokesman added that the win showed that online casinos were capable of delivering major rewards to players, and that recent upgrades in Sportingbet product groups have made the company an award-winning gaming destination.

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The lucky winner will be flown to London on May 9 to receive his winnings from the Sportingbet.com offices.

With more than four million registered customers, the London-listed Sportingbet.com is one of the industry veterans when it comes to online casino operations and offers a wide range of betting and gaming products from poker and sports betting to casino and games such as backgammon.
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...... Looks like a nice rip off :mad::mad:....

Dear bb28

First of all I would like to thank you for making a excellent forum post - it's definitely well worth a read for many online casino managers. I fully agree with you - some online casinos needs to improve.

I am the owner of Online-Casinos.com and as such responsible for the news article on our website. YES our news article is inspired by your post here on the casinomeister forum. I am sorry if you feel that our news article is a rip off - you definitely inspired our reporters to get an important message out there to the online casino managers. The casino managers are the people with the power to improve things for the better. We did rework your post. If you pick up a couple of news paper you will find that they are often very inspired by each others articles without always giving credit to one another. I am not saying that's ok - but it happens a lot.

It is definitely not our news reporters intention (or my intention) to take away any credit from you or CM in any way. We have several links to CM on our website among others from Online-casinos.com/sites/ as well as from inside several news articles mentioning news worthy stuff happening here on CM. Sometimes it's very very very hard for our news reporters to determine the original source of information. As a result sometimes credit is not given where credit is due. You made an excellent post and you definitely deserve credit - I will make sure you get that.

I hope this sorts out any misunderstandings - our goal is to get the word out there and make a change, not to offend you or CM in any way.

Kind Regards

Jan Balslev

Online-Casinos.com

Casino.de
 
Bingo T it appears you were up to mischief as you started these whole fracas. I am not sure why you chose to go with the wording doctored or crap but its inflamatory and I think you knew that. Until now I didnt know who BB and wasnt aware of this thread.

BB As I explained over on CAP we subscribe to a number of network news feeds. That article was supplied to us by InfoPowa. CM features InfoPowa articles under license as do we. Reviewed Casinos allow subscribes to the service. That's why the article was posted there as well.

Infopowa has impecible credentials and thats why you find their articles at top websites such as CasinoMeister and ours. If there is an issue with original authorship then you have my full support in figuring out why this happened. It's all together possible that one of Infopowa's authors submitted it to them for distribution and they are unaware of the situation.

I have contacted InfoPowa and asked them to look into it ASAP and let us all know what happened.

Thank you Professor for coming over and reading the thread and helping to clarify at least part of what has happened. As I stated before....I don't mind this being posted in other places with permission as CM clarified because I feel it is a important message that needs to read by the online casinos and their staff.......but it is my original writing and it was insulting to have it posted in other places edited and no credit given.

BB
 
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BB I am extremely sorry your original post was modified and then sent to us via the newsfeed without your knowledge. We also knew nothing about this and CAP would not have published it if we did.

Lets get his sorted between Infopowa and Online Casinos.

I can either remove the article at CAP or if you wish we can modify it and acknowledge your authorship and provide a link back to your site with the authors credit. Let me know how we should proceed.
 
I completely agree BB.

Jan I applaud your honesty in posting what happened on Online Casinos, but I do have to say being inspired by a piece you read is not a license to modify it and repackage it as original. Even if this practice does occur I would suggest you try to set the bar higher and not do modification journalism.

I am now scratching my head as to how it went out on Infopowa and the rest of us got it?
 
BB I am extremely sorry your original post was modified and then sent to us via the newsfeed without your knowledge. We also knew nothing about this and CAP would not have published it if we did.

Lets get his sorted between Infopowa and Online Casinos.

I can either remove the article at CAP or if you wish we can modify it and acknowledge your authorship and provide a link back to your site with the authors credit. Let me know how we should proceed.

Thank you Professor and yes lets do get this sorted out. I expect Casinomeister will address it. As far as I'm concerned it's fine if you link it to here and credit me as being the author and please post my version. It might not be quite as pleasing to read as the edited version but it's from the heart. :):)
BB
 
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According to the Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary, to "plagiarize" means

1. to steal and pass off (the ideas or words of another) as one's own
2. to use (another's production) without crediting the source
3. to commit literary theft
4. to present as new and original an idea or product derived from an existing source.

In other words, plagiarism is an act of fraud. It involves both stealing someone else's work and lying about it afterward.

All of the following are considered plagiarism:

* turning in someone else's work as your own
* copying words or ideas from someone else without giving credit
* failing to put a quotation in quotation marks
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* changing words but copying the sentence structure of a source without giving credit
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I... but I do have to say being inspired by a piece you read is not a license to modify it and repackage it as original.

I definitely set the bar very very high and so does our news reporters - who normally does a fantastic job. I was not saying that this was ok - just explaining that stuff like this happens. It's not ok.

However I do take responsibility for what has been posted on our website's news section - no matter who is to blame. I will also do my best to make sure that stuff like this does not happen again.
 
Update

I received an email from JanBalslev a few minutes ago, letting me know that he had credited CM and me with the article. I checked the website and yes he had done that but I was quite shocked to say that he had left the edited (plagiarized) version on his website.
Jan,
I don't get it, you came on here and admitted that my post was reworked and they (reporters) we were inspired, (your words) and I want to point out that this beauty of a quote from you. "We did rework your post." You were all over yourself with apologies but yet you go back to your website and repeat the same thing, the only difference being you said my post was the inspiration and it came from CM. And here is another line from your post, "I am sorry if you feel that our news article is a rip off". Sorry that I feel it's a rip off.......oh please give me a break. There is no I feel to it, It is a rip off!!!!
I just can't believe that after coming on here and saying what you did that you would go back to your website and do the same exact thing again.
I had planned to just keep quite in my response to you but the fact that you went back and repeated the same thing after you said you'd do your best to make sure it doesn't happen again. Well it did........apparently you just don't get it and what does that say about your ethics???

Also when you were here, not one time, did you ask myself or CM if you could re-post the article. Also if you or anyone else wanted something more polished then I should have been asked to do that also. One reason that I posted it in the form it's in is because I felt like I was among friends here and I was speaking for every player that had complained on here about all the issues I covered........so yes it was personal.
 
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I really dont blame you bb, I would feel exactly the same way had someone took my piece as their own but reworked it. Is it that bad that others need content that they have to use someone elses? Your post is a remarkable one and you have a beautiful way with words. I would suggest if someone wants to use your post, then it should be "exactly" the same, and the credit should go to you, no one should be able to change it.
Patrina
 
I have not personally rewritten your post. I have not asked anyone to do so. I do not approve any rewriting of anything. I have jumped up and down to correct a mistake. What more do you want from me?

I can understand why you are upset about this, but I really think you are wrong when you start questioning my ethics.

I came on here with good intentions to try and sort this out. I have done everything you asked for in your mails.

A mistake has happened somehow. I am well aware of that - but I really don't know how. But since it among others happened on my website I said I was sorry. You asked for a quote - you got two quotes.

In my email I asked if you wanted me to delete it completely (an email I send you a long time before you posted last time - and not "a couple of minutes ago" as you suggest in your latest post). You did not reply to this email - but now you question my ethics? That's really not fair.

I was of the impression that you were interested in getting your opinion out to people and even on other website's. Apparently I was wrong. If you don't want others to discuss your opinion it's probably best not to publish your opinion in the public domain.

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I am of the opinion that keeping our reworked version with the quotes and 2 links online would be fair use of your post. Yet I asked you if you wanted it online because I felt that was the right thing to do. Obviously the playing field for "fair use" is debatable - let's not go there. But there is definitely nothing wrong with my ethics. Copyright.gov is a valid source in my opinion - not some high school kid plagiarism definition.

I have now deleted our news report since that is what you prefer?
 
I have not personally rewritten your post.

So who did then ?? This is bb28's personal writing in the original post here at CM, and I know this for a fact because she went over it with me and another forum member here last week in a PM exchange...

I have not asked anyone to do so. I do not approve any rewriting of anything. I have jumped up and down to correct a mistake. What more do you want from me?

How bout for starters you post bb28's original post in its original wording WITHOUT the enhancement ??...I believe this would be the ethical thing to do, don't you ? That way there will be no implied content copyright with bb's permission to post her original worded article post...right ???

I was of the impression that you were interested in getting your opinion out to people and even on other website's.

She is...she has made that clear several times now...BUT, IN HER OWN WORDS...just like she posted it here !!

I am of the opinion that keeping our reworked version with the quotes and 2 links online would be fair use of your post.
Why the hell would you feel that stealing someone elses thoughts and writing, and reworking it would be ok with the original author ?? :confused: That's just plain and simple outright theft...no matter how many ways you want to try and spin it...
 

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