Content thief - red-bet.com

[winbig]

This is one thread that won't be locked....the evidence is too blatant and damning.

Watch this thread for updates....once the situation is under control....



Yes, it is on the agenda to name and shame, so I won't leave you hanging, too much!

 

[RobWin]

This is one thread that won't be locked....the evidence is too blatant and damning.

Watch this thread for updates....once the situation is under control....



Yes, it is on the agenda to name and shame, so I won't leave you hanging, too much!

Umm, I wouldn't bet the farm on that one just quite yet...

 

[winbig]

Umm, I wouldn't bet the farm on that one just quite yet...

It has no chance....the proof is too damning, and I can say with confidence that it is not a member of this forum that is the culprit.

 

[RobWin]

It has no chance....the proof is too damning, but I can say with confidence that it is not a member of this forum that is the culprit.

Yea, I never thought that other one would have been one to get closed down either, but....it will be interesting to see what you have found now my friend..

 

[maxd]

Am I missing something? So far all I see is a content-free thread here. Or do you mean the content thief stole the point of your thread?

 

[The Dude]

It has no chance....the proof is too damning, and I can say with confidence that it is not a member of this forum that is the culprit.

Whew - and I thought I was getting busted out

 

[winbig]

Am I missing something? So far all I see is a content-free thread here. Or do you mean the content thief stole the point of your thread?

Whew - and I thought I was getting busted out

smartasses

As I said, I'll post all the juicy details once the situation is sorted out

 

[maxd]

... I'll post all the juicy details once the situation is sorted out

Fine, be that way.

Here content, here content content content. Where are you hiding? Did the content thief nab you? Pooor liddo content ... and so forth.

 

[jetset]

Nothing like a little suspense to increase anticipation....but this better be good

 

[RobWin]

Nothing like a little suspense to increase anticipation....but this better be good

I agree Jet, Win had better make good on this one keeping us all in suspense like this..

 

[BingoT]

Winbig just come out with it.
Winbig will pop

the facts soon.
So sit back and have some popcorn

 

[winbig]

Nothing like a little suspense to increase anticipation....

I know....I learned it from Hollywood.....am I doing a good job of it?

 

[winbig]

LOL...Perhaps?? I wanted the title change, but you may want to reconsider the "perhaps" after reading all of this

Thieves domain: www.red-bet.com
Stolen Content from: www.gamesandcasino.com

Domain registrant info (enom):

URL Not Found / Outdated

WHOIS Information

Visit AboutUs.org for more information about red-bet.com
AboutUs: red-bet.com

Registrant:
Bo Li
Liuzhoulu Guanghuadayuan 5dong 3-7-2

Guanghan Sichuan 618300 CN

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Administrative:
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Liuzhoulu Guanghuadayuan 5dong 3-7-2

Guanghan Sichuan, 618300 CN
Phone: +86.8385221670
Fax:

Technical:
Bo Li
Liuzhoulu Guanghuadayuan 5dong 3-7-2

Guanghan Sichuan, 618300 CN
Phone: +86.8385221670
Fax:

nameserver:
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updated-date: 2008-10-17 17:34:23.000

created-date: 2006-11-15 19:48:29.000

registration-expiration-date: 2009-11-15 19:48:29.000

status:
registrar-lock

domain: red-bet.com

Here's 6 screenshots that I have compiled with side by side Firefox views comparing our page to the stolen one. I could have taken dozens more, because of the fact that all of the casino reviews on that site are stolen word for word.

Proof is in the pudding, so here's plenty of it

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They have also stolen the poker glossary from poker.com, word for word, as well.

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[winbig]

And to top it off, GNC took a SEVERE penalty hit in the SERPS on July 13th of 2007, and I think it's more than coincidence that www.red-bet.com lay dormant from 2004, but popped up with content...stolen....on May 8th, 2007.

You do not have permission to view link Log in or register now.

You be the judge....

 

[winbig]

For the record:

Name: www.red-bet.com
Address: 72.167.131.52

The site is hosted at GoDaddy, and the process is already underway to (hopefully) get their site shut down and get their domain yanked from enom...

If you remember, enom played ball with Kentucky, so more than likely they will this time too.

 

[dominique]

It looks like half that site was stolen from me, and the other half from poker.com

Anyone know who owns poker.com?

They should be made aware of this.

 

[The Dude]

Could someone please list the affiliate programs that deal with his site here?

I'll contact the aff managers in the morning.

 

[dominique]

Here are some:

888: xxxhttp://www.888.com/?sr=386104&flag=0000

PokerRoomSchool: xxxhttp://www.pokerroomschool.com/?m=redbet&lang=en

CanBet: xxxhttp://record.commissionking.com/_ed0c817ae8365b222031664759ed283a/1/

VictorChandler (VC) Casino: xxxhttp://banners.victor.com/processing/clickthrgh.asp?btag=a_2841b_203

 

[winbig]

Here are some:

888: xxxhttp://www.888.com/?sr=386104&flag=0000

PokerRoomSchool: xxxhttp://www.pokerroomschool.com/?m=redbet&lang=en

CanBet: xxxhttp://record.commissionking.com/_ed0c817ae8365b222031664759ed283a/1/

VictorChandler (VC) Casino: xxxhttp://banners.victor.com/processing/clickthrgh.asp?btag=a_2841b_203

Actually, that's all of them.....

I have no idea why, (maybe SEO reasons?) but every casino text link from that site does NOT have an affiliate tag. Only the banners listed on that site have an affiliate link.......weird.

 

[The Dude]

The rogue pit just got a bit bigger - new section:
https://www.casinomeister.com/rogue-casinos/

 

[lots0]

This an attack.

This attack was not designed to make money from affiliate programs (at least on the site that stole the content) it was designed to drop Dom's domain out of the serp (Search Engine Results Pages).

The sites that are intended to make the money will have no traceable connection to the site that stole all the content.

I have been dealing with attacks like this for the last several years.

Ya I know some of you think I am a paranoid nut case... But it is a fact. The attacks do happen and they do work.

Dom your best and fastest bet is to contact google threw the webmaster tools (if your site has been verified) and explain what has happened and ask them to fix it.

also everyone needs to report the site to google for spam.

 

[lots0]

Dom I forgot to mention to tell google these guys are in violation of the DMCA.

Google seems to work faster when you bring up the DMCA.

 

[dominique]

Well, in April 2007 I sat on a panel that was whitehat versus blackhat and a lot of blackhatters did not like what I had to say.

Shortly after that this RedBet site, after being dormant for years, puts up G&C content. A couple of months after that, G&C gets a google penalty that drops everything that used to be page one down to page 5. All the previous #1 pages (hundreds) now go to the top of page 5, and when it comes to turning the corner to page 4, they drop down to seven, over and over and over for two years.

If it weren't for people bookmarking G&C and word of mouth, our site would be all but dead today. Google traffic is negligible.

I don't know if this redbet is the cause, or the sole cause, but it sure is a heck of a coincidence.

BTW the owner of that site has other sites too, and Casino Rewards had him as aff and suspeded his account and notified him. I have no idea who else he has accounts with.

 

[dominique]

Dom your best and fastest bet is to contact google threw the webmaster tools (if your site has been verified) and explain what has happened and ask them to fix it.

also everyone needs to report the site to google for spam.

Did that yesterday...

 

[winbig]

Dom I forgot to mention to tell google these guys are in violation of the DMCA.

Google seems to work faster when you bring up the DMCA.

Yes, and I wrote a complaint to their hosting company (GoDaddy), and they are investigating the DMCA violations as we speak. ENOM is not being at all cooperative, so that's being worked on right now...

And Bryan, thanks for the honor of being the first person to get a site listed in the evil webmasters section of your site. :notworthy

Hopefully we can figure out who exactly is behind this so we can name and shame further.

 

[dominique]

They have stolen content from more sites:

In their "contact us" it says:

Do you have any questions, comments or feedback or just want to come in contact with PokerListings.com, please use the contact information below. PokerListings.com will get back to you within 48 hours.

 

[winbig]

Nothing like a little suspense to increase anticipation....but this better be good

So, is this good enough, so far?

 

[lots0]

One last thing to point out... And its not very nice.

All the sites that legitimately link to G&C (like me) are going to have google blackmarks against their site until this is resolved.

The reason - Until this is resolved google will view G&C has a 'bad' neighborhood.

For most well established sites the black mark effects will be negligible, but for new or small sites without a large network or without good solid incoming links, they maybe hurt quite bad in the rankings.

Dom you also need to keep an eye on the incoming links to G&C that are in the google webmaster tools. Go thru ALL those links and report the spam links to google.

If this attack follows the standard pattern, the bad guys will be pointing hundreds (maybe even thousands) of 'bad' links toward high traffic pages/landing pages on your site.

Usually it takes the combined effect of duplicate content and 'bad' links to completely drop a site like yours has been.

 

[winbig]

One last thing to point out... And its not very nice.

All the sites that legitimately link to G&C (like me) are going to have google blackmarks against their site until this is resolved.

The reason - Until this is resolved google will view G&C has a 'bad' neighborhood.

For most well established sites the black mark effects will be negligible, but for new or small sites without a large network or without good solid incoming links, they maybe hurt quite bad in the rankings.

Dom you also need to keep an eye on the incoming links to G&C that are in the google webmaster tools. Go thru ALL those links and report the spam links to google.

If this attack follows the standard pattern, the bad guys will be pointing hundreds (maybe even thousands) of 'bad' links toward high traffic pages/landing pages on your site.

Usually it takes the combined effect of duplicate content and 'bad' links to completely drop a site like yours has been.

I'm just wondering if this is the same guy that posted well over 2,000 comment/blog spam messages around November 2007, targeting GNC.

And what I don't get is that there are about 181 that are STILL indexed with Google, and why they haven't been dropped from the serps...

 

[lots0]

Oh Ya...

One last thing...

Dom now maybe you see why I am so adamantly anti spam and anti blackhat and why I refuse to give EVER give spammers a second chance.

You got some people (who shall remain nameless) that think its perfectly OK to tell people how to SPAM and how to manipulate the SERP...

And shit like this is the end result...

 

[dominique]

There were thousands of spam links pointed at G&C pre-2007, and I reported them regularly and google usually dropped them within a week. Hasn't been bad lately...

 

[lots0]

Be sure to report those incoming links that refuse a connection (show a blank page) when you use your browser to check them, if you have not already been. Those are the really nasty ones...

Make sure your anti-virus protection is good and up to date before you start messing with those.

 

[The Dude]

This just in from Uffiliates:

I just want to update you that we have viewed this case and there is no question on the matter. This is definitely content theft and this affiliate have been banned from our affiliate pool and will not work with us anymore.
We will not tolerate any such actions from our affiliates and any case will be dealt very seriously.

 

[CK - Schalk]

Hi Brian,

I blocked his Canbet affiliate account yesterday. Thanks for the heads up.

Kind Regards,
Schalk

 

[winbig]

wooohooo


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