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Bitch and Moan Constant Losing at CLUBWORLD w/ HORRIBLE features

Discussion in 'Casino Complaints - Non-Bonus Issues' started by CANADAMAN99, Oct 20, 2010.

    Oct 20, 2010
  1. CANADAMAN99

    CANADAMAN99 Full Member

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    Has anyone noticed how tight the slots are at Club World Casinos. I thought these guys were accredited with the Meister and from what I remember they even have a rep on here. How is this possible? Does anyone ever have any luck on there?

    I have been playing with them for a couple months and I do have to say that they have been pretty amazing at customer service. Whats troubling however is going 200 spins without hitting bonus features. When I put on autospin and hit nothing within 200 spins you know something ain't right.

    How in Gods name are these guys accredited? Even when you do hit a feature it seems like no matter what you wager, the win is always between 1 buck and 30 bucks. I cannot even count the number of times I've wagered a buck or more and the feature has yielded NOTHING. The features suck, the wins suck, the service is great, but good customer service isn't fun to spend.

    Anyone else finding this to be true? I had WAYYYYYYY better luck playing at Rushmore Casino and they aren't even accredited. At least there I won.
     
  2. Oct 20, 2010
  3. just play

    just play closed account

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    I could write the same about iNetBet.

    Maybe try another RTG, there are quite a few.

    The casino and everyone else here will say stop depositing, I seem to disagree with that a bit for the reason, if there is such a thing as RTP, someone would eventually hit no? How can one person deposit thousands without getting any kind of withdrawal??? (talking about myself here)

    Things have changed at ALL casinos, some people agree, some don't. (I agree) the payouts have been the lowest I have ever seen. I mean I have NEVER seen all casino pay...ummm...not pay this bad.

    I personally don't think being accredited matters in this situation.
     
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  4. Oct 20, 2010
  5. CANADAMAN99

    CANADAMAN99 Full Member

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    Thanks and yeah I know people will tell me to stop playing but this is the complaint section and I am posting accordingly. I understand the consequences of playing and accept them. I just wonder about the fact that being "accredited" may mean nothing more than "Not absolute crooks".

    I think the issue is not that I lose, Ive been losing for years LOL. My issue comes with the fact that If I play at an accredited casino, I would expect fair gaming. And I don't feel like fair gaming is going.

    I have been playing for quite a while and have to agree that the casinos these days are just plain bad. We don't really have a chance any more and while that has taken a lot of the fun out of it, there's still a little fun left. There's still that 1 in a million chance that you'll hit a small jackpot. And its fun. I'd probably be better off playing The lottery though, must have better odds.
     
  6. Oct 20, 2010
  7. Nifty29

    Nifty29 Dormant account

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    Depending on which slot u play it is not uncommon to wait 200+ spins for a feature and it's not unusual to get small payouts. However, I've also had 3000xbet on features so if you want the big you have to take the small.

    As far as rtp being 'the lowest ever', I suggest that people use the wayback machine over the past 10 years at the CM forums and read all the exact same complaints about the rtp being lowered and no features etc etc etc. So, if their opinion is as valid as yours then nobody would be winning at all and the rtp would be down to about 7%
    .....and the winner screenshots will prove that to be way off.

    Players need to remember that rtp is calculated on a complete cycle of all reel combinations and is not personal or 'per player '. In fact, given most players will never experience all combinations (especially the Max payout ) then it isn't surprising that people don't feel like the rtps are 'right' , because for them personally it probably is much lower.
     
  8. Oct 20, 2010
  9. silcnlayc

    silcnlayc Just one more spin pleez! CAG MM PABnonaccred PABaccred

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    This is an interesting view...I think I am likely to have to agree with this simply because I, too feel as if many have become close enough to thievery and less than fair in the last few years.
    Um, Nifty, I will have to disagree here. I just pulled up all non bonus complaints and the first one shows as of 2006 that I can find with setting my settings up with the oldest thread started first. So if this is correct, then you are way off. Have earlier posts on non bonus complaints disappeared? If so, then I still have to disagree with you on this. Most complaints started at the time of the announcement of the UIGEA and thereafter IMO. I cannot find one that was started any earlier. I found other complaints starting in 2002 but not about bonus rounds or pay in bonus rounds.


    So all in all, I am still surprised you are holding to the fact that
    This too was not true until the last few years. Again, to make it sound like 200 or more spins for a feature is "normal" is not really a fact IMO...and to continue to claim this, also does no service to the players IMO.

    I just went under the section of Online Casinos and found the only issues there from 2002 were either cashout or free chips or casinos closing..so as to the bonus rounds vs bonus wins or lack of thereof , they have pretty much started during the transition which does show things HAVE changed drastically.

    If you can find or point me to a different time frame, then that would help in your continuous claims of "nothing has changed " with online casinos. Otherwise, I feel you really have no "proof" that they have not changed.

    I also agree with you on this.

    I will accept to be corrected...by anyone without being offended...


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  10. Oct 20, 2010
  11. CANADAMAN99

    CANADAMAN99 Full Member

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    Thanks to all for the feedback. It is all welcome and helpful.

     
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  12. Oct 20, 2010
  13. mattsgame

    mattsgame Ueber Meister CAG webmeister

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    So are you saying Casinomeister should only make casinos accredited based on players feed back of winning or losing?

    Like you have just mentioned about the screenshots (Bolded Above). Then you should also note that there are 100's of 1000's that play that do not frequently visit Casinomeister, so who is to say these people are not winning?

    I have not played RTG in a long time because I did not like my playtime there so I can understand your frustration. But to suggest that because you had a bad run or several players do that they should not be Accredited is absurd.

    I can also tell you that just because you had a win at Rushmore there will be 5 threads or complaints that people are losing to your 1 win.

    Just to add, for me personally I can 200 spins+ on any casino software and not hit a feature,freespins etc e.g MGS,3Dice etc.

    as for b&m being different I'am still not convinced on this yet, Might just be my personal experience but I can go on just as bad a run there than online.
    No feature not winning more than 10x bet. Not to mention our slots over here are usually set to a worse RTP to online slots ( if you believe what is posted )

    Anyway I think I'am ranting so that will be all.

    Cheers
    Matt
     
  14. Oct 20, 2010
  15. Mavin1

    Mavin1 Dormant account

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    Good points made here and I would add that as Mattsgame is stating the criteria for being Accredited, I think should just cover the assurance of "if", you win, you will get paid, timely and reasonable and what ever else goes along with being accredited.
    This is a way of separating the paying casinos, regarding wins, from the non paying.

    As far as how the play is for the player individually, well this is between the casino and the player. If you buy a product and aren't happy with it, then return, or never buy it again.

    I am not saying this to jump to the other side of the fence, just have seen from my short time here that our complaints, that are legitimate, will never be resolved. So one by one, I had eliminated the casinos from my computer and my life. I will rarely go back and play a small amount, but the casinos could have been getting more from me as they would with all players.

    So it all boils down to, do they care what we think about the return, I say no, as long as players play and keep paying in to a one sided system, then why should they change? It's works for them, so who cares if it works for us as long as others continue to believe gambling is a righteous venture.

    I was talking to my mother in laws nurse today and she was telling me about what she had learned from an employee at the local land based casino here. He said that everytime a player uses the club card, it resets the machines, when a player comes to a machine that the previous player was at and plays without the club card, then the machine continues building the play as if it were on the previous player. She and her family stopped using the card and have had much better success at playing.

    So for land based, we players that use the club cards are sharking ourselves, by resetting the machine everytime you slip it in the slot.

    With online casinos, who knows what they do, but it's like it resets constantly and we have to start all over again everytime we log on or get booted or get updates or what ever.

    The trend these days has taken a different direction in the way the freespin and bonus rounds now play. Freespin rounds and Bonus rounds used to mean something, now all they mean is a few spins you don't have to pay for, that's your instant reward.


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    2. a sum of money granted or given to an employee, a returned soldier, etc., in addition to regular pay, usually in appreciation for work done, length of service, accumulated favors, etc.
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  16. Oct 20, 2010
  17. silcnlayc

    silcnlayc Just one more spin pleez! CAG MM PABnonaccred PABaccred

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    Yes, Mavin, excellent point made which I should have added too. I also believe that being accredited only gives you a sense of assurance you will be paid....if you should ever win again... even if I feel that even they (the accredited) have one foot on land and the other on the slippery slope of ruin with thier actions of todays (recently)...

    .
     
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  18. Oct 20, 2010
  19. nisosbar

    nisosbar Ueber Meister PABnonaccred

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    Thank you for this. I asked this question earlier this summer, and no one replied, so I am glad to get this confirmed. I suspected as much.
     
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  20. Oct 20, 2010
  21. Nate

    Nate Ueber Meister CAG webmeister

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    {Derail}

    Sorry, but this assumption is incorrect. Clubcards / Loyalty Cards are primarily used for the purpose of 'Player Tracking'. The Club / Loyalty card will be an indication of how much your drop and turnover actually is. It is pretty much the same as an account number online. It gives the Casino an indication of their most valuable players and hence they are able to reward them accordingly.

    A clubcard is inserted into a Player Tracking Unit (PTU). The primary function of the PTU is to send information to the database and log the amount of play you have made for reporting and reward purposes. The PTU also acts as a mechanism to transfer credits to and from a player card and machine.

    A Machines Cycle can in no way be influenced by the PTU. The EPROM (Erasable Programmable Read Only Memory) in a machine contains the coding for the game type and payouts. The Theoretical Hold percentage of a Slot machine, game type, its outcomes and any features are solely reliant on the Machines chipset and are NOT influenced by any external factors.

    There are external factors that can reward a player (i.e. Mystery Jackpots) which are not dependant on the machine itself.

    By not using your card, you are not giving the Casino a FAIR indication of your actual spend.

    I hope this clears any misconception that people may have regarding club cards?

    {/Derail}
     
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  22. Oct 20, 2010
  23. Perc

    Perc Experienced Member webmeister

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    I played at my first online casino earlier this year, so I don't have any experience from earlier years, but by the sounds of it I really wish I would have tried it out years ago.

    I have done way better at online casinos than I ever have at B&Ms. I've had to "calmly" storm out of a B&M a few times, before smashing a slot machine or something, just being utterly frustrated at the lack of play time and features.

    Some days I felt like walking in the doors with a wad of money, throwing it at them saying "Just take it" and walking out, would save money on drinks that way. :rolleyes:

    I've also never hit anything over $1000 on a $2-$3 spin at a B&M, happened to me twice online in just a few months - $1500 on a $3 spin and $1200 on a $2.50 spin.

    Not saying I've never had a decent night at a B&M, and not saying I haven't had bad runs at online casinos. BTW, perfect wording kuschman, bad runs make you feel the same as 'bad runs'. :D

    Maybe I've just been unlucky at B&Ms and lucky online, but that tells me luck has everything to do with it. You hear many stories of people losing their shirt at B&Ms, why should online casinos be any different?

    This is all just from my point of view, maybe online casinos did pay out better in past years (to get people coming back?), and have since reduced the overall RTP. I have no idea, I can only go by my experience this year.
     
  24. Oct 20, 2010
  25. Mavin1

    Mavin1 Dormant account

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    No assumption, but the purpose you state the cards are for is perfectly true. However, some will always think a chemtrail is just a contrail and won't be convinced otherwise. So my passing on what I have learned about the club cards unspoken purpose is nothing more than that, people can take it or leave it.
    People use the cards for building comps and perks and this is what they do, so many won't care whether or not the use of them resets the machines, they only care about the rewards they will get for using them. Just like many don't care how much money they lose to casinos, they still continue to play.

    Examine the types of complaints, especially the ones regarding players being bumped off an online casino when having a good run, then when they login back in, the good run is over. Sounds like a reset to me. Again just my opinion, but to players that will never be vindicated regarding the RTP, the proof is in the play and we really don't need anymore evidence than that anyways.

    As for the B&M's, I cannot prove the cards reset the machines, no more than you can prove to me that it is just and assumption.
    JMO
     
  26. Oct 20, 2010
  27. takethemoney

    takethemoney Banned User - Chargebacks at Slotastic

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    Washington
    The issue seems to be across all RTG casinos. I have made 102 deposits and have had similar poor results. Rather than complain I have let the casinos know how I feel by not making any further deposits. There is no point in playing where you are losing too much, or are otherwise uncomfortable. Rather than speculate as to why, simply don't play. I'm going on 3 months now and have not deposited.
     
  28. Oct 20, 2010
  29. funeral979

    funeral979 Senior Member PABaccred

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    Have you still not had any cashouts since your random jackpot wins?
     
  30. Oct 20, 2010
  31. Nate

    Nate Ueber Meister CAG webmeister

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    :lolup:
     
  32. Oct 21, 2010
  33. takethemoney

    takethemoney Banned User - Chargebacks at Slotastic

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    No...102 deposits later. I'm not going to spend $40k to find out when the losing streak ends. I just find it so unbelievable that when nothing else makes sense, one starts to suspect things. ;)
     
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  34. Oct 21, 2010
  35. mark421

    mark421 Dormant account PABnonaccred

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    i won 22,000 on a random there ,and could never hit anything after, i just quit playing there after awhile
     
  36. Oct 21, 2010
  37. Nifty29

    Nifty29 Dormant account

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    Would any of the 'personal RTP' subscribers care to elaborate on how this great RTG masterplan works I.e. implementation, when it activates, how one can tell they are playing the losing version.

    Not only would this be educational and informative for everyone, it may also help us spend our money more wisely.
     
  38. Oct 21, 2010
  39. just play

    just play closed account

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    Nah, you wouldn't believe us anyway. :p
     
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