Confiscated winnings

[Kroffe]

I rather not write the brand names. But it’s not Svenska Spel, then there is one left that’s owned by the government and if you are Swedish you know which.

See attached files. I’ve deleted sensitive information. This is print screens from my email.

View attachment 119279

That sounds very weird.
What he is saying is that they only check the name on the account you ask to withdraw to, and not the name on the account the deposits come from.
That cant be possible. No casino would allow deposits from a SE-player as long as they withdrew to a different account.

 

[TheAddict]

Sees danwibbles post from someone on a different forum, with a similar username.
"? That’s not me."


Asked by danwibble if it could perhaps be your partner, rather than suggesting it could be. But not mentioning you both use that username.
"Yes, im sorry, I was just shocked. It could be my partner yes.
I read some anyway and I’m panicking atm if that’s her."

Dan wishes good luck, and to be more careful. to which you reply with..

Yes, im sorry, I was just shocked. It could be my partner yes.

I read some anyway and I’m panicking atm if that’s her.

Do I even know my girlfriend? Is this what gambling addiction does to people? Does she have debts I don’t know about? Is she suicidal?


Reads a little bit of the troubles written by whoever that person with a similar username is..
"Wow. This is overwhelming. And not in a good way. Yes ofc that’s probably my gf. I can tell by the username because it’s something we use for different things. like our Netflix, play station account and everything like that."



Does sound a little weird mate, to me, reading those responses in that order like that.

Firstly, the fact you both share a similar username for different things, Which is of course entirely possible. But I've never met a couple who do that, and I'd assume its far less common than is the norm for every couple.

And then, instead of being the one to point out it could be your partner, Once it was suggested if it could be your partner, that it's written in swedish...you suddenly then say that yes, of course, it probably is. And you can (you just remembered? ) tell it probably is because its a username you both share for many different things - not just the Internet, in everyday life.


Apologies for another unfounded accusation It just sounds a bit weird to me, when reading it like that.. it (to me) almost looks like an attempt at adding the convenience of sharing the username for other things to strengthen your case, after Dan asked if it might actually be her.

 

[Sajsan12]

That sounds very weird.
What he is saying is that they only check the name on the account you ask to withdraw to, and not the name on the account the deposits come from.
That cant be possible. No casino would allow deposits from a SE-player as long as they withdrew to a different account.

you see what I ask and what he answer. The big picture you can again see the time stamps and that I again ask him to confirm.


“2019-12-07 17:53:21(Romance Standard Time, UTC+01:00:00) POBAS PobAdmin

Tack. Bara för att vara 100% säker på att jag förstår vad ni menar — det spelar alltså ingen roll att min sambo är självutesluten, jag kommer få mina vinster ändå?”

Casinot svarar 8 minuter senare:

”Ja ditt konto är personligt, du kommer fortfarande få din vinst.

Registrera bara ditt bankkonto på

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för uttag så blir det godkänt efter ca 1-2.


Med vänlig hälsning

Linus”

 

[Sajsan12]

Sees danwibbles post from someone on a different forum, with a similar username.
"? That’s not me."


Asked by danwibble if it could perhaps be your partner, rather than suggesting it could be. But not mentioning you both use that username.
"Yes, im sorry, I was just shocked. It could be my partner yes.
I read some anyway and I’m panicking atm if that’s her."

Dan wishes good luck, and to be more careful. to which you reply with..

Yes, im sorry, I was just shocked. It could be my partner yes.

I read some anyway and I’m panicking atm if that’s her.

Do I even know my girlfriend? Is this what gambling addiction does to people? Does she have debts I don’t know about? Is she suicidal?


Reads a little bit of the troubles written by whoever that person with a similar username is..
"Wow. This is overwhelming. And not in a good way. Yes ofc that’s probably my gf. I can tell by the username because it’s something we use for different things. like our Netflix, play station account and everything like that."



Does sound a little weird mate, to me, reading those responses in that order like that.

Firstly, the fact you both share a similar username for different things, Which is of course entirely possible. But I've never met a couple who do that, and I'd assume its far less common than is the norm for every couple.

And then, instead of being the one to point out it could be your partner, Once it was suggested if it could be your partner, that it's written in swedish...you suddenly then say that yes, of course, it probably is. And you can (you just remembered? ) tell it probably is because its a username you both share for many different things - not just the Internet, in everyday life.


Apologies for another unfounded accusation It just sounds a bit weird to me, when reading it like that.. it (to me) almost looks like an attempt at adding the convenience of sharing the username for other things to strengthen your case, after Dan asked if it might actually be her.

This username is our real names combined in a weird way. The number has a meaning.

I didnt know what it was at first and thought he referred to something I had written. Thats why my first response was like that.

Then I read a bit and understood that it probably is my gf who wrote that... continued reading. Ofc I was shocked. Readingabout a serious gambling addiction and suicidal thoughts... Some things written is not correct at all and don’t add up to real life. Will talk with her about it as soon as i can.

 

[Sajsan12]

I will ask again. How can you accuse me for trying to cheat the system or scam the casinos when I never asked for a refund of the lost deposits, like you can see it’s not the first time I’ve used this card. And the provided screenshots from the again, government owned casino, shows that too. It’s not just me saying things.

I never used a single bonus either.

You are very good at assuming things and accusations overall. So please, enlighten me how I would try to cheat the system if I never used the “loophole” or whatever you wanna call it.

 

[TheAddict]

Well, if it happens to be true, and that is your partner.. I wish you both all the best moving forward. I appreciate that it would be one tough revelation for you to find out like this.
But hell, maybe it'll in a weird way bring you closer together, and one day you can even name your future child Sajsan

All the best.

 

[Sajsan12]

Well, if it happens to be true, and that is your partner.. I wish you both all the best moving forward. I appreciate that it would be one tough revelation for you to find out like this.
But hell, maybe it'll in a weird way bring you closer together, and one day you can even name your future child Sajsan

All the best.

Haha i don’t know about that.

Sure thing this has been a fkn rollercoster of emotions. From being lucky winning to, i don’t even know what to call this state of mind Im in atm.

Thank you anyway. We Will see How things Turn out.

 

[Playford7]

You are as everyone else free to believe whatever you like. This thread is full of unfounded accusations, people being straight up mean and trying to make me look bad.

I have again, so far, three replies from other casino where I explained that my girlfriend apparently have had some kind of gambling problem and is self excluded. They are still fine with the use of the deposits methods issued in her name, with funds from our joint account. Keep in mind that that’s the Swedish government owned casino aswell.

Still, no one have answered my question. If I tried to cheat the system, playing “risk free” as you accused me for, why in the world haven’t I, in all the time I used this card, a single time asked for a refund for all the lost deposits?!


I will gladly prove that.

Why would I contact the casinos beforehand?

For you who actually read the thread, you’ve seen the emails from the government owned casino. I can provide you with the others aswell.

Your accusations is totally unfounded.

I know it’s maybe strange that I can’t use my own card, but I think I explained why without going in to exact details.

You are as everyone else free to believe whatever you like. This thread is full of unfounded accusations, people being straight up mean and trying to make me look bad.

I have again, so far, three replies from other casino where I explained that my girlfriend apparently have had some kind of gambling problem and is self excluded. They are still fine with the use of the deposits methods issued in her name, with funds from our joint account. Keep in mind that that’s the Swedish government owned casino aswell.

Still, no one have answered my question. If I tried to cheat the system, playing “risk free” as you accused me for, why in the world haven’t I, in all the time I used this card, a single time asked for a refund for all the lost deposits?!


I will gladly prove that.

Why would I contact the casinos beforehand?

For you who actually read the thread, you’ve seen the emails from the government owned casino. I can provide you with the others aswell.

Your accusations is totally unfounded.

I know it’s maybe strange that I can’t use my own card, but I think I explained why without going in to exact details.

It is a joint account. the card is issued in her name. Correct.

You a big
So your so called partner is self excluded.. sorry I missed that.
This is the most absurd story I’ve ever heard..
(And we get lots on here)
Best of luck

 

[Sajsan12]

You a big
So your so called partner is self excluded.. sorry I missed that.
This is the most absurd story I’ve ever heard..
(And we get lots on here)
Best of luck

It’s not absurd. The people who accused me for things make it appear that way. From the start it was simple. I used my own funds from a card issued in my partners name. Gamble, lost. Gambled, won. What makes it “absurd” is that my girlfriend apparently lied to me and that I didn’t know about any problems or self exclusion due to gambling problems.

 

[irish-ranger]

You are as everyone else free to believe whatever you like. This thread is full of unfounded accusations, people being straight up mean and trying to make me look bad.

I have again, so far, three replies from other casino where I explained that my girlfriend apparently have had some kind of gambling problem and is self excluded. They are still fine with the use of the deposits methods issued in her name, with funds from our joint account. Keep in mind that that’s the Swedish government owned casino aswell.

Still, no one have answered my question. If I tried to cheat the system, playing “risk free” as you accused me for, why in the world haven’t I, in all the time I used this card, a single time asked for a refund for all the lost deposits?!


I will gladly prove that.

Why would I contact the casinos beforehand?

For you who actually read the thread, you’ve seen the emails from the government owned casino. I can provide you with the others aswell.

Your accusations is totally unfounded.

I know it’s maybe strange that I can’t use my own card, but I think I explained why without going in to exact details.

Right fer fuck sakes mate do u self a favour and just fucking leave IT least said easiest mended..

 

[bamberfishcake]

Think you misunderstood me, probably because English isn’t my first language and I maybe write things incorrectly sometimes.

After looking at your posts which move between well written and conveniently broke I think you use this as an excuse and to your advantage.

And then, instead of being the one to point out it could be your partner, Once it was suggested if it could be your partner, that it's written in swedish...you suddenly then say that yes, of course, it probably is. And you can (you just remembered? ) tell it probably is because its a username you both share for many different things - not just the Internet, in everyday life.

This is just one example of your many contradictory statements in your story.

How can you accuse me for trying to cheat the system or scam the casinos when I never asked for a refund of the lost deposits

Because your story is full of holes and you had a gain to benefit from in the attempt. If i had the time or the inclination i would spend time on a better post but your just not worth it.

You innocently keyed up a casino and got live chat records passed to another casino whilst using a shared card which your girlfriend had self excluded due to a massive gambling addiction and all this time you knew nothing about it. Even though you share cards and accounts and similar usernames etc.

You said people not believing your story is the most hurtful feeling in the world. I would have thought being lied to by your partner and finding out she has kept a massive gambling addiction secret would be worse. Your focus is off and nothing adds up. Your playing to the crowd and probably getting a kick out of the attention.

Each response is as predictably annoying as the previous. Take the energy your putting into this and go repair your relationship if your really that concerned. Whats more important - a bunch of randoms or the relationships that surround you?

If your kosher i will eat my hat!

 

[Harry_BKK]

”First of all, I want to be very clear that I do NOT ask for a refund.

My partner and I have a joint bank account. The card linked to the account is issued in her name, as is her name if you use *another method*. I have used this payment method in all casinos, yours aswell, since I have been playing for my own money. I've lost my deposits and haven't thought more about that. Now it is that I managed to win, and then one casino denies me the withdrawal because it turned out that my partner is self-excluded due to gambling-related problems, which I did not know when I asked if it was okay to use payments from our joint account. They believe that all bets will be voided because you should not accept/receive payments from an account/card belonging to a self-excluded player.

What's your opinion on this?”

The answer:

”Hi!

Thank you for contacting Customer Service

Withdrawals are not blocked if you use a deposit account and another withdrawal account.

What we are looking at is the account holder's name on the withdrawal account.

Sincerely

Linus”

Maybe its different on different casinos then.

Gotta love how you wrote that message as the answer from the casino shows that they understood something totally different. Your message should have been.

- hi, I opened an account in my name and verified using BankID
- For deposits, I used a card that belongs to a SE-ed player. She is my girlfriend and the card belongs to a joint bank account we have but only has the one card in her name.
- Do you allow using a card of a SE-ed player to make deposits on my account? I can't use my own card from other bank accounts to make deposits.
- Does the Swedish regulation allow you to pay withdrawals when the deposit is made with a card belonging to a SE-ed player?

Geez, all you do is circling the wagons and still trying to set-up a trail of "positive" evidence that it should be no problem to use a card that belongs to a SE-player.

@Tirilej or @Kroffe To clear this mess up, could you please contact Spelinspektionen on Monday and ask them the questions as above because the OP is tweaking the story in his messages. I would be flabbergasted if they confirm that cards from a SE-ed player are allowed to be used on a player account in a different name. They would have no moral capacity anymore in regards to Responsible Gambling and secondly, would open the floodgates for the 100,000s of Swedes with an active SE.

 

[Sajsan12]

Gotta love how you wrote that message as the answer from the casino shows that they understood something totally different. Your message should have been.

- hi, I opened an account in my name and verified using BankID
- For deposits, I used a card that belongs to a SE-ed player. She is my girlfriend and the card belongs to a joint bank account we have but only has the one card in her name.
- Do you allow using a card of a SE-ed player to make deposits on my account? I can't use my own card from other bank accounts to make deposits.
- Does the Swedish regulation allow you to pay withdrawals when the deposit is made with a card belonging to a SE-ed player?

Geez, all you do is circling the wagons and still trying to set-up a trail of "positive" evidence that it should be no problem to use a card that belongs to a SE-player.

@Tirilej or @Kroffe To clear this mess up, could you please contact Spelinspektionen on Monday and ask them the questions as above because the OP is tweaking the story in his messages. I would be flabbergasted if they confirm that cards from a SE-ed player are allowed to be used on a player account in a different name. They would have no moral capacity anymore in regards to Responsible Gambling and secondly, would open the floodgates for the 100,000s of Swedes with an active SE.

Seriously? I asked the casino if it was okay to use HER CARD even though she is SELF EXCLUDED for GAMBLING PROBLEMS three times in different ways! told them that I used that method for deposit. Read the frikkin mail. THREE MAILS ASKING IT IN DIFFERENT WAYS explaining the situation as I wanted to BE SURE they understood what I meant!!!

You guys fucking turn everything against me. Yeah things might be weird. But no one is answering why in the world you accuse me for trying to scam casinos when I never EVER asked for a refund!!!!! I gambled a lost and left it at that. THAT accusations doesn’t make any sensse and you guys seem to change what you accuse me for all the time.

AFTER I sent the initial mail I asked them this (as provided earlier in the thread)

“That was not really my question.

I have used Swish and cards (in my partner's name as a payment method, which you previously approved. Joint account) I have understood that my partner is self-excluded due to gambling addiction.

Even if I make the withdrawal to my bank account, will the withdrawal be denied due to the deposit method used belongs to a self-excluded player?”

Got the same answer!!!

 

[Tirilej]

It's too much to read through everything again but I've only seen that the girlfriend is supposed to be self excluded at L&L group late last year, but I haven't read that she have signed up at Spelpaus.
Spelpaus is from this year and include all casinos that have a Swedish license. Has she signed up there this year?
Otherwise it wouldn't matter what email you send to casinos since she wouldn't be self excluded anywhere else.
If she is then she has at least at two different occasions self excluded and you must of course have known about it.

@Harry_BKK I believe both I and Kroffe are fully aware that the Swedish gambling law would not allow him to use her card for deposits or withdrawals if she was listed at Spelpaus.
If those emails are sent then as you said the wordings are not clear enough, and support are not always in the right.

I suppose there is a way to go around that with using Trustly and Swish maybe, but I'm not sure.

All casinos with a Swedish license are very careful since they seem to really love giving out fines here.

 

[Harry_BKK]

Seriously? I asked the casino if it was okay to use HER CARD even though she is SELF EXCLUDED for GAMBLING PROBLEMS three times in different ways! told them that I used that method for deposit. Read the frikkin mail. THREE MAILS ASKING IT IN DIFFERENT WAYS explaining the situation as I wanted to BE SURE they understood what I meant!!!

You guys fucking turn everything against me. Yeah things might be weird. But no one is answering why in the world you accuse me for trying to scam casinos when I never EVER asked for a refund!!!!! I gambled a lost and left it at that. THAT accusations doesn’t make any sensse and you guys seem to change what you accuse me for all the time.

You have always stated you didn't know that your girlfriend was SE-ed, hence, you could not tell the casinos that she is SE-ed. It only transpired after you deposited at Yeti and you filled out the extra KYC form. Never at all the other casinos where you used the card in the previous 12 months. Funny, that is pretty much exactly when your "girlfriend" asked to be excluded at all L&L properties.

Could it be that you are the "girlfriend" who started using the BankID of her "boyfriend" to sign up at casinos and simply used her own card to deposit?

Nowhere do you mention your girlfriend is SE-ed. It was always only that the account is shared.

And please, keep the tone civil, nobody has used swearwords. I say it again, you could have done a PAB and this case would have been handled confidentially, yet you couldn't even wait a day for Jan to look at your account.

 

[Harry_BKK]

It's too much to read through everything again but I've only seen that the girlfriend is supposed to be self excluded at L&L group late last year, but I haven't read that she have signed up at Spelpaus.
Spelpaus is from this year and include all casinos that have a Swedish license. Has she signed up there this year?
Otherwise it wouldn't matter what email you send to casinos since she wouldn't be self excluded anywhere else.
If she is then she has at least at two different occasions self excluded and you must of course have known about it.

@Harry_BKK I believe both I and Kroffe are fully aware that the Swedish gambling law would not allow him to use her card for deposits or withdrawals if she was listed at Spelpaus.
If those emails are sent then as you said the wordings are not clear enough, and support are not always in the right.

I suppose there is a way to go around that with using Trustly and Swish maybe, but I'm not sure.

All casinos with a Swedish license are very careful since they seem to really love giving out fines here.

According to the OP, she is on Spelpaus, but apparently on a "special self-exclusion" that is not for gambling-related issues. Go figure how that is possible.

 

[Sajsan12]

@Harry_BKK

I asked the casinos to use the card with all the information I had at that time. I didn’t know she was self excluded for any gambling related problems.

Again, I ask you to answer why I would be fine with all my losses and never asked for a refund if I would try to scam the casino?

 

[Sajsan12]

According to the OP, she is on Spelpaus, but apparently on a "special self-exclusion" that is not for gambling-related issues. Go figure how that is possible.

That was what SHE told ME. I’m maybe naive and believed that. With what I know now, yeah stupid.

I’m innocent in all this. The problem lies in the apparent gambling problems my gf have had.

Yes, i have missed a lot when traveling with work as much as I do (standard twice a month) so I do blame myself for this entirely.

I’ve been transparent from the start with all the information I got.

 

[Sajsan12]

It's too much to read through everything again but I've only seen that the girlfriend is supposed to be self excluded at L&L group late last year, but I haven't read that she have signed up at Spelpaus.
Spelpaus is from this year and include all casinos that have a Swedish license. Has she signed up there this year?
Otherwise it wouldn't matter what email you send to casinos since she wouldn't be self excluded anywhere else.
If she is then she has at least at two different occasions self excluded and you must of course have known about it.

@Harry_BKK I believe both I and Kroffe are fully aware that the Swedish gambling law would not allow him to use her card for deposits or withdrawals if she was listed at Spelpaus.
If those emails are sent then as you said the wordings are not clear enough, and support are not always in the right.

I suppose there is a way to go around that with using Trustly and Swish maybe, but I'm not sure.

All casinos with a Swedish license are very careful since they seem to really love giving out fines here.

I I most of course known about it!??? Not a chance! If I would have known we wouldn’t have this problem. She told me she closed her accounts for other reasons, never did I know anything about any addiction.

 

[Harry_BKK]

@Harry_BKK

I asked the casinos to use the card with all the information I had at that time. I didn’t know she was self excluded for any gambling related problems.

Again, I ask you to answer why I would be fine with all my losses and never asked for a refund if I would try to scam the casino?

Geez, shall I put out now my entire guide on how to scam casinos?

You might have asked a few casinos (you said you signed up at many) where your losses are negligible, so a fight for a refund is not worth it. Classic trick, ask a few to make your case.

You know, your entire story just doesn't make sense. You say, you are new to this and don't play often, yet you opened many accounts and for over a year (as you stated, we don't know that) you got away with using a card that belongs to an SE-ed player to make your deposits and apparently then withdrew to your own bank account via Trustly (which again, is not confirmed, addicts, like your "girlfriend" implied she is, rarely withdraw if ever as they always aim for that bigger win)

It just does not make sense at all. And it all started pretty much after your "girlfriend" SE-ed at L&L citing a severe addiction.

Don't you think that there a few too many coincidences in play here?

 

[Tirilej]

I I most of course known about it!??? Not a chance! If I would have known we wouldn’t have this problem. She told me she closed her accounts for other reasons, never did I know anything about any addiction.

Is she or is she not on Spelpaus? Since Spelpaus is from this year then it's very important to know if she have signed up. And if she is, then what time did she chose?

 

[bamberfishcake]

I asked the casino if it was okay to use HER CARD even though she is SELF EXCLUDED for GAMBLING PROBLEMS

I didn’t know she was self excluded for any gambling related problems.

Give them enough rope........

 

[Sajsan12]

Geez, shall I put out now my entire guide on how to scam casinos?

You might have asked a few casinos (you said you signed up at many) where your losses are negligible, so a fight for a refund is not worth it. Classic trick, ask a few to make your case.

You know, your entire story just doesn't make sense. You say, you are new to this and don't play often, yet you opened many accounts and for over a year (as you stated, we don't know that) you got away with using a card that belongs to an SE-ed player to make your deposits and apparently then withdrew to your own bank account via Trustly (which again, is not confirmed, addicts, like your "girlfriend" implied she is, rarely withdraw if ever as they always aim for that bigger win)

It just does not make sense at all. And it all started pretty much after your "girlfriend" SE-ed at L&L citing a severe addiction.

Don't you think that there a few too many coincidences in play here?

I’m innocent in all this. The problem lies in the apparent gambling problems my gf have had.

Yes, i have missed a lot when traveling with work as much as I do (standard twice a month) so I do blame myself for this entirely.

I’ve been transparent from the start with all the information I got.

I can provide you with the emails where it was the casino who asked me to use trustly for withdrawal. I did not chose to do so.

“My name is Sofia and I am your account manager here at * casino * I was the one calling you earlier. I just want to again congratulate you on your great profit, CONGRATULATIONS!

We would also like to ask you to withdraw the profit through the trustly option.

Don't hesitate to contact me if you have any questions and have a nice weekend.

Sincerely,”

 

[Sajsan12]

Give them enough rope........

I asked the casino this YESTERDAY. Because I NOW KNOW about that.

At the start I didn’t. Be as disgusting as the others and put things together randomly just to make me look bad. Nice.

 

[Sajsan12]

Is she or is she not on Spelpaus? Since Spelpaus is from this year then it's very important to know if she have signed up. And if she is, then what time did she chose?

She is on Spelpaus but she told me for other reasons (yeah, this DO sound stupid now) but I believed her. It don’t know for how long.

 

[Tirilej]

She is on Spelpaus but she told me for other reasons (yeah, this DO sound stupid now) but I believed her. It don’t know for how long.

This change everything in here so thanks for that!

She self excluded from the L&L group last year for gambling problems, we all know that through Jan.

She also signed up to Spelpaus this year. That is a bigger self exclusion and are for all casinos that has a Swedish license.

That makes it several self exclusions and if she had no problem she wouldn't have done that.

If you had been innocent and not manipulative then you had been gone from here a long time ago.
I think you have been the one playing all the time, and probably she thought she could stop you by signing up to Spelpaus.

 

[Sajsan12]

This change everything in here so thanks for that!

She self excluded from the L&L group last year for gambling problems, we all know that through Jan.

She also signed up to Spelpaus this year. That is a bigger self exclusion and are for all casinos that has a Swedish license.

That makes it several self exclusions and if she had no problem she wouldn't have done that.

If you had been innocent and not manipulative then you had been gone from here a long time ago.
I think you have been the one playing all the time, and probably she thought she could stop you by signing up to Spelpaus.

That is definitely not the case. But I do appreciate the effort you put in trying to make ME look bad.

She apparently had a gambling problem I did not know anything about. I never experienced any troubles gambling.

All the accusations are so weird.

First I tried to scam the casinos playing risk free and asked for deposits back. Never happened.

Then you say that I am my girlfriend implying she would have been the one gambling all the time.

And now you say that I’ve been the one gambling on her accounts and that SHE tried to stop ME?

So how is it?

 

[Sajsan12]

I am the only one who actually KNOWS that what I say is correct.

Yes, apparently my gf lied. spending more or less the last day reading about gambling addiction that is what that does to people.

Weird things happened, I’m with you on that. But not all the people facing problems are liars.

 

[Oscar Arnhem]

Pages 22 and counting

 

[Sajsan12]

Yeah, and now I’m out for real. Everyone of you accuse me for different things.

Like I said.

First I was a scammer trying to cheat the system, playing risk free. “I’m sure you would have asked for deposits back”. No, that’s never been the case. Never will be. I think I proved that by now.

But then all of a sudden you were sure I was my girlfriend and now when I leave this thread some of you accuse ME for having the gambling addiction.

Sure thing.

Not everyone is a fkn scammer.

Good bye.

 

[bamberfishcake]

I asked the casino this YESTERDAY. Because I NOW KNOW about that.

At the start I didn’t. Be as disgusting as the others and put things together randomly just to make me look bad. Nice.

Not putting things together randomly. It was a conscious decision to click the mouse and add both of those quotes. There are a lot more examples but as i said before i do not have the inclination. I did mention one or two that did'nt add up in my previous post you have missed or ignored.

That you know what 'give them enough rope' means surprises me also because you claim you have a bad grasp of English. You fired from the hip so assume you wouldnt have googled.

 

[Slottery]

This is growing faster than streamer threads

Haven't bother to read all pages as they seem bit repetitive, but if i did read something right, you can't use your bank account for gambling transactions as these can't show there due to work or what so ever but are withdrawals from gambling then different and ok to show there as withdrawals to Trustly seem to be ok even for bigger amounts?

 

[stokes]

If I understand well, most of the people who don't believe the story thinks that the OP is not a he, but a she (the SE-ed girlfriend). How about if one of the "accusers" sets up a quick Skype (or whatever) call with the OP to check it (hopefully it can be verified by the voice or the video) if he agrees?
If the OP is not the girlfriend then the story should be more credible.

 

[Sajsan12]

If I understand well, most of the people who don't believe the story thinks that the OP is not a he, but a she (the SE-ed girlfriend). How about if one of the "accusers" sets up a quick Skype (or whatever) call with the OP to check it (hopefully it can be verified by the voice or the video) if he agrees?
If the OP is not the girlfriend then the story should be more credible.

Wouldn’t mind that at all. If someones interested, hit me up.

 

[stokes]

TBH, it could have been an option to the casino as well to do a video call where they identify the player (e.g. holding the ID card to the camera etc.) and then if it is really not the the SE-d girlfriend they should have paid (unless they expect both of them part of the SE cheat).

 

[cncas2123]

This is growing faster than streamer threads

Haven't bother to read all pages as they seem bit repetitive, but if i did read something right, you can't use your bank account for gambling transactions as these can't show there due to work or what so ever but are withdrawals from gambling then different and ok to show there as withdrawals to Trustly seem to be ok even for bigger amounts?

Great point, and one I am sure that will be ignored by the OP......

 

[Sajsan12]

Great point, and one I am sure that will be ignored by the OP......

already answered this earlier in the thread. Depositing with a card shows what kind of transaction it is. Trustly withdrawals does not.

My personal finances and why I chose to use my partners card is none of your business.

You guys don’t know shit about my job and what I do. And I can’t disclose that either. But it have its reasons. I won’t say more than that.

 

[mack341]

You might have asked a few casinos (you said you signed up at many) where your losses are negligible, so a fight for a refund is not worth it. Classic trick, ask a few to make your case.

I am definitely edging towards thinking this thing is fishy, some of the replies are just not convincing or in the right tone, but if you have to fight for the refunds is it such a failsafe scam?

If the regulator has not set down rules regarding this particular situation and refunds, how could the op be sure in the event of large losses he'd obtain refunds, and it could certainly involve a major fight.

I've read on this forum about SE'd uk players circumventing the sign up process by changing their email address or something and then if they lose request a refund but not when you have two people involved and one is not SE'd, this to me is an untested or new scam.

People in relationships often go to great lengths to hide gambling addiction and losses, so it is not impossible that the op was not aware of the full situation

Overall to be on the safe side I think the outcome is fair to both parties, but it would've been interesting to see how ARN analysed and judged it, the rights and wrongs.

 

[Harry_BKK]

I am definitely edging towards thinking this thing is fishy, some of the replies are just not convincing or in the right tone, but if you have to fight for the refunds is it such a failsafe scam?

If the regulator has not set down rules regarding this particular situation and refunds, how could the op be sure in the event of large losses he'd obtain refunds, and it could certainly involve a major fight.

I've read on this forum about SE'd uk players circumventing the sign up process by changing their email address or something and then if they lose request a refund but not when you have two people involved and one is not SE'd, this to me is an untested or new scam.

People in relationships often go to great lengths to hide gambling addiction and losses, so it is not impossible that the op was not aware of the full situation

Overall to be on the safe side I think the outcome is fair to both parties, but it would've been interesting to see how ARN analysed and judged it, the rights and wrongs.

Mack, two things give it away in this case:

- According to the OP, he started gambling about a year ago. Exactly the time his "girlfriend" told L&L she has a very bad gambling addiction and they excluded her.
- Jan compared the player profiles of the OP and the "girlfriend". They match. Maybe one day you get a chance to look at the tool they are using for the analysis, it is very, very rarely wrong.

Sorry, but there is little doubt left as to what is happening here.

 

[Tirilej]

There are another thread on the same subject at Flashback (Swedish) and the OP is questioned the same way there, especially after it was clear she was self excluded because of gambling problems.

Then we have that forum I had no idea it existed. LånForum..se. That's something for casinos to pick up on. A lot of good information on how your customers can afford to gamble

Actually I've learned a bit more about the Swedish regulations now but I don't care if the OP would be in the right or not since I'm sure it's one person that have played.

Sajsan12 signed up here in Nov-18 and at the same time Sajsan121212 wrote a lot on another forum about her problem and self excluded at Spelpaus 1 January 2019.

 

[mack341]

Mack, two things give it away in this case:

- According to the OP, he started gambling about a year ago. Exactly the time his "girlfriend" told L&L she has a very bad gambling addiction and they excluded her.
- Jan compared the player profiles of the OP and the "girlfriend". They match. Maybe one day you get a chance to look at the tool they are using for the analysis, it is very, very rarely wrong.

Sorry, but there is little doubt left what is happening here.

So in effect the gf never gambled but by self excluding herself it gives the joint card some refund protection against the gambling losses the op might run up?

Or the gf was addicted, and self excluded but then wanted to carry on gambling so got the boyfriend to sign up to new casinos, where she could then play under the guise that it was him?

 

[Harry_BKK]

So in effect the gf never gambled but by self excluding herself it gives the joint card some refund protection against the gambling losses the op might run up?

We can only assume that Mack. But there a few scenarios possible, depending who is the culprit, the so-called "girlfriend" or the OP (if it is a different person).

The background is though that it looks like an addicted gambler has been circumventing the system and had now finally a lucky streak that was worth cashing out. According to Jan, the session lasted all night. A recreational player as the OP implied that he is wouldn't sit all night spinning reels.

 

[mack341]

We can only assume that Mack. But there a few scenarios possible, depending who is the culprit, the so-called "girlfriend" or the OP (if it is a different person).

The background is though that it looks like an addicted gambler has been circumventing the system and had now finally a lucky streak that was worth cashing out. According to Jan, the session lasted all night. A recreational player as the OP implied that he is wouldn't sit all night spinning reels.

Yes that was another circumstantial point that concerned me, you don't get to that stage of gambling and risking until you've played a fair bit and lost a fair bit, but the op claimed he was fairly new to gambling, we're talking in this case £20K+ winnings?

 

[Harry_BKK]

Yes that was another circumstantial point that concerned me, you don't get to that stage of gambling and risking until you've played a fair bit and lost a fair bit, but the op claimed he was fairly new to gambling, we're talking in this case £20K+ winnings?

Yeah, about GBP25K

 

[TheAddict]

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. A recreational player as the OP implied that he is wouldn't sit all night spinning reels, unless he or she decides they are not going to bed until they get at least 1 bonus on bonanza.

fixed m8

 

[Sajsan12]

Mack, two things give it away in this case:

- According to the OP, he started gambling about a year ago. Exactly the time his "girlfriend" told L&L she has a very bad gambling addiction and they excluded her.
- Jan compared the player profiles of the OP and the "girlfriend". They match. Maybe one day you get a chance to look at the tool they are using for the analysis, it is very, very rarely wrong.

Sorry, but there is little doubt left as to what is happening here.

like I said, I’m open to a Skype call if you still believe that I’m my girlfriend. No problem. My very long beard will give my gender away

 

[Tirilej]

like I said, I’m open to a Skype call if you still believe that I’m my girlfriend. No problem. My very long beard will give my gender away

That would be no point if the girlfriend didn't sit next to you describing what she did

Why are you not going to ARN? They are the only ones who can help you get the winnings. To keep on discussing your case or trying to make us believe you won't give you anything.

 

[Sajsan12]

You guys are very good at assumptions I should say. Just because I haven’t gambled before much, or for long, there is a good reason why I spent the whole night gambling. I requested the logs from BankID aswell, asking if they can proof that I used face recognition when I logged on.

 

[Sajsan12]

Nope. That’s true. I know what happened. You do not. Should probably left the thread a long time ago.

 

[Sajsan12]

That would be no point if the girlfriend didn't sit next to you describing what she did

Why are you not going to ARN? They are the only ones who can help you get the winnings. To keep on discussing your case or trying to make us believe you won't give you anything.

Send me a pm and I will give you my number. My girlfriend isn’t here. I can provide you with the exact details again if that would make you feel better

I haven’t fully wrapped my head around the issues my girlfriend have/had. I haven’t found the right timing to ask about the other forum posts and so on. But that I will keep private.