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Discussion in 'Ask the Meister' started by sirius, Nov 11, 2005.

    Nov 11, 2005
  1. sirius

    sirius Senior Member

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    UK
    What do you know about Fire and Ice and Hot Pepper Casino? I don't know anything about them apart from the obvious so wondered how they got accredited so easily. The last new Odds on site I remember went bust (40 Plus).

    I think you are starting to add too many sites in the accredited section. Main Street only paid some players years afterwards with no interest and there is already a new report about them in the forum.

    By the way, I looked at the rogue section and noticed wager21 was in the 'rogue' and 'past issues' part simultaneously. Aren't they supposed to be in one only?

    I also noticed casino4aces in 'past issues' section (citing 'under observation' and 'customer service' issues) but this is using casinobar software and should be rogued.
     
  2. Nov 11, 2005
  3. jetset

    jetset Ueber Meister CAG

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    I would say that this is Bryan's site and his responsibility and judgement, based on his own industry knowledge and contacts and on the views of his members.

    Pretty much in the same way that you have your site and make your judgements.
     
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  4. Nov 11, 2005
  5. Casinomeister

    Casinomeister Forum Cheermeister Staff Member

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    Sirius, do I go to your website and start posting my opinion on how you run things or start nit-picking on which casinos are listed at your site?

    I've already explained why these casinos have been listed at Casinomeister. What do I know about Fire and Ice and Hot Pepper? A lot. You would know just as much if you got out and start making appearances at online gaming conferences and exhibitions. So far, I don't think you've attended a single one. It's at these places where you have the opportunity to meet the owners and operators of online casinos - and I've known the operators for a number of years.

    As for 40 plus casino, it was an Oddsoncasino that has nothing to do with these guys. I have no idea why you bring this up. It's like saying MG's Goodfellows casino went bust so don't take on any more MGs. What the hell is that?

    By the way, all 40+ players were paid by the EH group, and it wasn't all that much $$ by the way.

    Main Street has been around for years, and they run a very good operation. I've been watching them closely for months, and their players don't have any unresolved issues and nary a complaint. I have direct contact with the owner, and I'm satisfied that these casinos meet the criteria to be listed here.

    Don't have any idea what you're talking about. Wager21 has been listed only in the "past issues" section since September/October. Read the newsletter.

    casino4aces is under different ownership and software. No reason to keep them in the rogue section. Again, I am in direct contact with these owners as well.

    In a nutshell: I make all of my decisions after well thought-out planning, due dilligence, and research. I do not live in a vaccuum - I have a very high profile. And this website is about as transparent as you can get because I explain most all of my decisions in public.

    Who else does this?

    If you aren't keeping up with newsletters, webcasts, or with the information posted on the website (and not just in the forum), well that's your problem - not mine. But please don't try to make it my problem by stirring the shit in my forum. I have enough work as it is. If you want any advice on how to run your website, feel free to PM me and I'll help you out.
     
  6. Nov 11, 2005
  7. sirius

    sirius Senior Member

    Location:
    UK
    My main question was about the new odds on sites although I did ramble on a bit. When I said I didn't think you should add so many so quickly in the accredited section (or words to that effect) I didn't mean to tell you how to run the site but that it seems some of them are a probably not that worthy. I was also just pointing out some possible errors I noticed. I am also feeling uneasy lately at things here in more ways than one because I've noticed in some threads you've commented on my site before without making it obvious. Can you forget about my site as I was here well before I even had a site (which I only started as a hobby and not a business) and it's not relevant to what I'm saying.

    I still am none the wiser about these new odds on casinos and I haven't found anything searching your site. I was also pointing out that there are very few new operators who choose oddson and we all know what happened to the last one a couple of years ago. I have spent some time searching your site but can't find anything about them.

    Yes, I have attended gaming conferences but not for the reason you go there as I think it could cause some problems taking a balanced view.
    Early on, Casinomeister was recommending Handa Lopez casinos that cheated (Grand Dominican and others who claimed to be great casinos). You can't always believe what these casino employees tell you.

    Casino4Aces is definitely a rogue operation despite you knowing the owners. They have the same registrant address, same servers and same affiliate program as casinobar. The affiliate program is at You must register/login in order to see the link. and only features casinoonair, casinobar and casino4aces. Winner is the newest name for them, it seems.

    I thought they should only be listed in one but they are still in the rogue section too. That was all I was pointing out (I didn't mention where I thought they should be which I'm sure you can guess).

    Main Street Group hasn't fully resolved its problems from years ago but may still have problems now. The person posting about slots.com had a worrying problem which your response didn't acknowledge at all. This sort of issue isn't one that should be swept under the carpet as it represents fraudulant behaviour by the casino if the poster was telling the truth. I'm sure you understand the seriousness of it despite your response to him.

    I looked into the company who own the Main Street Casinos (their casinos including slots.com say they are owned by RX ADVERTISING LIMITED) but they haven't filed any accounts since they started in April 2004. Not sure if the 'striking off notice' is by the Registrar of Companies (seems likely as they have no accounts) or they requested to be dissolved:


    VIPCasinos had a slightly dodgy past and I have refused advertising from them when a casino in the group wanted to advertise on my site about a year ago. They didn't really try very hard to look into these past problems with casinos (Goodasgold casino in particular wouldn't pay someone for 'irregular betting')! They were involved in a strange 'reverse' acquisition a few months back (Leisure and Gaming were reported to have bought VIP Management) but the same people are still there including Alistair Assheton who was the Managing Director before I think.

    VIP made some mistakes with their casinos in the past which they should have resolved when they had the chance but now it seems too much time has passed for it to be easy for them. It wasn't only when they started out. There is a thread here about one incident last year: http://www.casinomeister.com/forums...-gold-vip-casinos-and-wall-street-casino.html
     
  8. Nov 13, 2005
  9. sirius

    sirius Senior Member

    Location:
    UK
    Maybe I missed something obvious but I can't find the info about the new Odds On Casinos. What were the operators doing before. You say you've known them for an number of years?
     
  10. Nov 13, 2005
  11. Casinomeister

    Casinomeister Forum Cheermeister Staff Member

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    Thanks for the concern, and don't get me wrong - I always appreciate it when people point out where I may have overlooked something, or if I'm not clear enough in what I'm doing.

    It may have seen like suddenly a lot of new casinos were added to the "Accredited Section" but in reality it's only a handful of operations. Since November 2004, I've taken on six new clients. That's minuscule compared to how many operators are wanting to get on board. All six of these clients I have known in one way or another for quite a while. Each one of these guys know that they make a commitment when I take them on.

    If there has been issues in the past, then I need to make them aware of this. And this needs to be issues that are not merely anonymous forum postings. These need to be real tangible issues that beg for a resolution/solution.

    I only make comment when other webmasters such as yourself come here and publicly challenge what goes on. To be frank, it's not an appropriate thing to do. You don't see me posting at WOL asking what's up with them advertising xyz casino. You don't see Max over here wondering what's up with Fortune Lounge. And you don't see John Abbott from Gone Gambling making the rounds challenging whomever is advertising for whatever. If I have a question on any of these portals' policies, I'll email them.

    Operators choose software providers for a number of reasons. Oddson casinos aren't as costly as some of their competitors. Most new operators lean toward Playtech unless they have mega bucks, then they go toward MG.

    :what: So you're stating I have an "imbalanced" view? I attend these conferences to gather information, to report on my findings, and to meet operators that either want to commit themselves to come on board, or to solve player problems. It's costly, it's time consuming, and it's thankless in most cases. And I spend too much time away from my family attending these things. I think I have a very balanced viewpoint.
    Yeah, back in 1998-99 before anyone new they cheated. This site was in an embryonic stage back then (like every portal). Everyone was flying by the seat of their pants. To imply that I was being an a-hole webmaster is a bit out of line.

    Casino4Aces was originally rogued for effed up customer service, but I know they were sold to someone else with a different staff. If they are still using the old casino-on-air software, then they go back into the rogue pit. I have no problems with that.

    I haven't had the time to fully look into the Slots.com situation yet. I've been more or less away from full work days for over a week and I have a lot of shit to do. If there are problems with the Main Street Group, then this is the time to bring it on. They have been listed at a couple of other popular sites for months, and virtually no one has had any problem with them past or present. Then this is the time to bring them on (like I mentioned above).

    I think that most everyone would agree that Alistair Assheton is an upstanding operator. There were a couple of issues a year or so ago that were resolved. What's the problem?

    Again, if there is anything unresolved or lingering, there shouldn't be a problem looking at this. They have reps here you can PM by the way.
     
  12. Nov 14, 2005
  13. rudepete

    rudepete Dormant account

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    American Revolution truck driver
    Location:
    Michigan
    Fair casinos.com

    I meant Fair Casinos Online Casino Guide and Casino Forum .

    I decided to check out Sirius's site. this is what I copied. I guess everyone is entitled to thier opinion. I didn't like the site and would not join. SORRY:eek2:

    Quote"This has become the only true casino watchdog site online. Think of it as your trustworthy online casino guide"UNquote

    I belong to many forums and did not like what I read or saw.
     
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  14. Nov 14, 2005
  15. jetset

    jetset Ueber Meister CAG

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    Leisure & Gaming was set up at the end of 2004 as a listed cash shell aimed at growing through acquisitions in the Internet gaming sector.

    Its first acquisition in June '05 was VIP Management, owner of VIPsports and VIPpoker, followed last month by the online casino business of one of Britain's biggest casino firms Stanley Leisure.

    Now it has taken English Harbour and Nine.com with their subsidiary casinos and sportsbooks.

    Alastair Assheton is a good, professional guy.

    PS BTW one of the interesting things in the latest press release is almost an admission that Odds On belongs to English Harbour as has been suspected by players for many years. The release refers to English Harbour and its "proprietary" software, which is the Vegas Technology upgrade from Odds On.
     
  16. Nov 14, 2005
  17. thelawnet

    thelawnet Dormant account

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    programmer
    Location:
    UK
    I have read that MSG ripped off a lot of Danish players a few years back. According to the reports the players were never paid.

    I am not sure if this is what sirius is referring to.

    Was this ever sorted out?
     
  18. Nov 14, 2005
  19. Casinomeister

    Casinomeister Forum Cheermeister Staff Member

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    This was settled a couple of years ago. These players were paid.
     
  20. Nov 15, 2005
  21. sirius

    sirius Senior Member

    Location:
    UK
    Yes they did pay the vast majority I think although apparently some couldn't be contacted. I even took them off the dumped section of my site temporarily. The only reason they paid was due to pressure when the owner bought theRX site. They kept the money for two years and would have gained up to 10% interest but the players did not receive any interest. I also doubt the much effort was put into paying every player and fairly resolving it by paying something extra even if it was just the interest so I dumped them again.

    Rudepete, I would rather you said the reason you didn't like the site but it's maybe becasue I haven't had the time to work on it as much as I would like! There is a casino directory that needs updating. I will be working on the directory script to make it easy to update it all and there will be a true history for each casino listed as it will keep track of any historical changes and you will be able to find out everything about each casino. Having said that, visitors and revenue have been increasing each month (last month was the biggest revenue yet and I get more visitors now than ever before through search engines). I've given away nearly $4000 in the prize draw. 20% of the revenue goes to the forum members. At the moment I'm working on a feature so the forum members can keep track of all their casinos they've joined through the directory and keep track of balances and you can specify a daily loss limit and it helps make sure you don't exceed your spending limit playing online.

    If your are the person from Southfield, Michigan who clicked from this thread, then you only visited the front page (at 800x600 which is not the best- better at 1024x768). If that's you (there were other visitors from Michigan though), then it wasn't the first time you visited as you found one of the forum pages seaching for 'new rtg casinos' a couple of weeks on yahoo. Also, there was someone from the same place and same ISP and area code but different computer searching for planet luck casino about a day ago which could have been you too (maybe you didn't like that I'd dumped them?)? Clever isn't it lol. You haven't visited any of the main parts of the site which you can easily get to through the forum pages.

    The only reason I really started this thread was to find out about Fire and Ice Casino and Hot Pepper Casino which I still have no clue about (I sometimes ramble on a bit). Bryan, how about telling us about the operators and what they used to do regarding casinos they used to be involved with? You are saying you've known them for a number of years but I must have missed the info or is it supposed to be a secret?
     
  22. Nov 15, 2005
  23. sirius

    sirius Senior Member

    Location:
    UK
    double posted somehow
     
  24. Nov 15, 2005
  25. rudepete

    rudepete Dormant account

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    Michigan
    Nope wasn't me.

    Nope wasn't me, I visited once when I was reading this forum and heard Casinomeister mention yours,so I thought I would check yours out. Sorry, not for me. I have belonged to many forums for many years. I go all the way back to My Casino Opinions, if anyone remembers that. But I am loyal to here because I like the way it is set up. I like most of the intelligent answers I get here and I have played at the accredited casinos and like most of them.The thing I didn't like is what I quoted from your site and that was where you said you were the best watchdog site around. There I differ with you.
     
  26. Nov 15, 2005
  27. jetset

    jetset Ueber Meister CAG

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    Bryan, I think you should send Sirius an invoice for all the free marketing he's been getting on this thread LOL!
     
  28. Nov 15, 2005
  29. Webzcas

    Webzcas Winter is Coming!

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    Hmm, I am feeling I should leave well alone and not weigh in on this thread and keep quiet seeing as this doesn't affect me. But like an itch you have to scratch , I may as well add my 2 cents for what it is worth.

    This thread shouldn't be about criticising portals whoever they are run by and seems to have been derailed a bit. That said the opening post should not have been written in the way it was, whereby it seemed that Sirius was coming across as if he was telling CM how to run his site. No offence Sirius and I am sure there was none intended but it did appear a tad Holier than Thou, if you get my drift.
     
  30. Nov 15, 2005
  31. Casinomeister

    Casinomeister Forum Cheermeister Staff Member

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    Ha ha! Yes - you guessed it! It's a secret! Shhh! Don't tell. :D

    I tell you what, since you are operating the "only true casino watchdog site online" you tell me. If you were so up to snuff on everything, why are you asking me?
     
  32. Nov 15, 2005
  33. Casinomeister

    Casinomeister Forum Cheermeister Staff Member

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    To save you the trouble, it's run by some of the people who used to run Casinocoins. :D
     
  34. Nov 15, 2005
  35. rudepete

    rudepete Dormant account

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    YEP

    AMEN TO THAT.............................:notworthy
     
  36. Nov 15, 2005
  37. paul1

    paul1 Dormant account

    Jesus. I looked at your site too, Sirius. Can you tell what color underwear I'm wearing? lol

    Next time I'll be sure to comb my hair and shave. :D
     
  38. Nov 15, 2005
  39. amandajm

    amandajm Experienced Member

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    Oh no Sirius. Attending conferences and trade shows in any field does not equate to the fostering of flawed insight of reality.

    Percentagewise, the whites of their eyes will tell the truth, regardless of the wording, alot more than email, phone or generic sign up form. A crook has you captured by email for a lot longer than the direct question in person.

    The bi-product of networking and deal making face to face can only serve the player better. We don't and likely can't agree with everything Bryan says and does.

    I learned more about seo by hunting down a seo expert at a conference face to face, than I ever could by any other means imo. The mere fact of me turning up to hunt out 1 individual, meant more to him than any amount of positive bluster on a forum.

    I don't advocate so much, visiting "the office", or "dialing" that number. The offering of tea and cake mean nothing in ones own domain to me either. The conference is as nuetral as one can get, surely.

    Bryan attending conferences cannot equate to him being easier fooled. No sir.
     

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