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[sw2003]

I don't think Microgaming put the word "expert" there to mean that
in that mode the program will play like an expert, rather it is more likely to
mean "for expert only". Besides why do you think they let you modify the
strategy table if they thought that they were the expert with the best
strategy? Basically they are saying if you think you are an expert, you
can choose any strategy you want and we will play that for you.

 

[Clayman]

it appears they were given bad advice as to the correct strategy for each particular game...
Mind you - the errors that some of you have discovered in strategy probably (without analyzing, so I could be wrong) don't make that much of a difference

Apparently for EVERY game - there's only one default table and it's wrong for all games. By now they surely must know that. I'm just surprised they haven't fixed it yet, if they were sincere. Make a table (strategy card) for each game and tell the computer if it's an "H", then hit, etc. How tough can that be? They don't even have to figure out the exact probabilities as they do in VP.

My guess (emphasize guess) is just the 4 changes necessitated by the double-deck game might cost an extra 0.2% or more. That means over 50% worse compared to perfect play. It would put the HA over 0.5% and that's a pretty crappy game. Just what I really want to do - play a lousy game even faster so I can lose more sooner. I certainly am interested in the cost of the default table vs perfect play for each game.

Still, though, the "average joe" would only wonder at his good luck. LOL

I wonder why eCogra allows such a misleading aspect of the software to continue since I bet alot of players would just believe it to be as correct as the VP. While the RNG may be all right, what is fair about building into the software a higher house edge than the game itself? Somebody should ask them.

 

[bradleyt]

The "expert" mode in VP on the microgaming sites often differs from what Bob Dancer Presents WinPoker says to hold.....

I dunno, I trust BDPWP over what the game says.....

 

[sw2003]

Bob Dancer and other experts do not necessarily give the same strategy
table. They disagree with each other in some of the more subtle cases.

 

[GrandMaster]

The "expert" mode in VP on the microgaming sites often differs from what Bob Dancer Presents WinPoker says to hold.....

I dunno, I trust BDPWP over what the game says.....

Bob Dancer and other experts do not necessarily give the same strategy
table. They disagree with each other in some of the more subtle cases.

Can you give me an example? In all the cases I checked, Bob Dancer and Viper software were in perfect agreement. If there is a disagreement, it is easy to calculate the expected values for any particular hand even without a computer to decide who is right.

 

[lanidar]

Ouch! Sorry to hear that.

Thanks JPM
I truly appreciate your sympathy.
I'm just pissed at the way it was done. I used the Autoplay, as usual, and I don't know what happened. I picked up $10 on my first round of $2.00 X 25...then BAM!!!! That was the highest my money ever reached. And, as some of us feel, on the way down, I figured...
"Well, this is the bottom, it's gonna come back now".

NEVER HAPPENED

So....Today I'm going back in and teach them a lesson!
I'm gonna ...KICK SOME ASS!!!

 

[lanidar]

I'm going back tomorrow and teach them a lesson!

Yeah ..well, I really didn't teach them a lesson.
But I made $110.00 profit.
Not alot of money. But I got back my $50 loss and a small profit on top of that.

I was just foolin' with them this time.

I'm going in again tonight.

That's when I'm going to show them who REALLY is in charge here!!!

 

[jpm]

A win is a win Lanidar, that's what counts!

If you can just chip away like that every time, its almost as good as one big hit.

 

[jpm]

Can you give me an example? In all the cases I checked, Bob Dancer and Viper software were in perfect agreement. If there is a disagreement, it is easy to calculate the expected values for any particular hand even without a computer to decide who is right.

I'd have to agree here, I've done spot checks against Bob D's and Viper, when I didn't think Viper was making a correct play (usually on some rather esoteric wildcard hand), and it always matched up correctly.

 

[sw2003]

I have never played VP on microgaming software so I don't know if it
always agree with Bob Dancer.

Jeffrey Lotspiech's website listed strategies that are in some subtle cases
disagree with the Bob Dancer's program's analyses. I did not check them
myself but Wizard of Odds did refer to Jeffrey's site. So if you guys want
to have fun analyzing them, go ahead.

 

[Clayman]

Jeffrey Lotspiech's website listed strategies that are in some subtle cases disagree with the Bob Dancer's program's analyses.

Strategies never give perfect play, just almost. But there is always only one best play. I guess there could be a tie rarely, too. Winpoker will always give the correct play.

 

[lanidar]

A win is a win Lanidar, that's what counts!

If you can just chip away like that every time, its almost as good as one big hit.

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Yeah...I really showed them didn't I!

OK...I did alright but not great.
My profit was $176.00
I can't seem to get the BIG cash in.
I know I'm chipping away more and more each day but I'm yet to get a huge cash in.
I'm happy about the win but I'd like to know what it's like to cash in $1K...just for the hell of it.

 

[Clayman]

I'd like to know what it's like to cash in $1K...

Just deposit $2K

 

[lanidar]

Just deposit $2K

 

[lanidar]

Now I'm really happy.
I just cashed in $457 at Good Ole Lucky Nugget

This time I GOT them. Expired Image

 

[jpm]

Woohoo! WTG What were you playing?

 

[GrandMaster]

Just deposit $2K

I have a similar one. How to become a millionaire? Start with a billion dollars and get divorced.

 

[lanidar]

Woohoo! WTG What were you playing?

Thank You JPM...
I was playing Autoplay European Blackjack.
Basically, I programed the Autoplay to play $2.00 per hand 50X and just kept on playing over and over.
Once in awhile when the trend seemed to be in my favor, I would increase my wager to $4.00 per hand...sometimes 25X and sometimes 50X.
I also watched closely to be sure that I was getting fair hands delt to me. Obviously it was more than fair.....LOL

 

[lanidar]

Does anyone have a list of casinos that I can use Autoplay?

 

[sw2003]

I think I am right to say that all microgaming software casinos provide
autoplay! Other softwares like RTG, Boss, iGlobalMedia, Playtech do not have
this feature.

 

[bethug]

sw2003, only viper micro casinos have autoplay

 

[jpm]

Does anyone have a list of casinos that I can use Autoplay?

I think most of the microgaming ones on the casinomeister's recommended list are viper, and thus would have autoplay. Off the top of my head, anything in the BelleRock group, FL group. There's about 10 to start with.

 

[sw2003]

I have never been to a Microgaming Casino that is not also Viper
and I have been to quite a number of them.
So can you guys tell me which one is Microgaming but not Viper?????


Is there even any casino that uses Microgaming but not Viper?

The bigger casinos in the CasinoRewards Group, Belle Rock Group,
The Palace Group, Fortune Lounge Group all use Microgaming Viper!

I really love to know one Microgaming licensed casino that doesn't
use Viper!

So ??

 

[jpm]

There are a bunch. Fortune Room for one, Challenge Casino, Aztec Gold also I believe.

 

[HateMG]

Here is complete list of MG casinos:
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Some other non viper casinos are Dessert Dollar, Vegas Villa, Capital, Arthurian, Lucky Emperor