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Question Can someone be this lucky on slots?

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I read somewhere about a bug on jackhammer where a certain stake paid over 100% consistantly, dont know if it was true.
I have been playing divine fortune this morning and cant really see anything in the normal gameplay that could give a consistant
profit. A wild guess would be that he may be winning the middle jackpot which pays 100x. a look at the game logs
would show the scale of the game wins.It seems to take about 15 mins to get into the jackpot game, there may some
way of forcing the jackpot.Really a stab in the dark, I have no idea what he is doing.
 
shadow123 said:
I read somewhere about a bug on jackhammer where a certain stake paid over 100% consistantly, dont know if it was true.
I have been playing divine fortune this morning and cant really see anything in the normal gameplay that could give a consistant
profit. A wild guess would be that he may be winning the middle jackpot which pays 200x. a look at the game logs
would show the scale of the game wins.It seems to take about 15 mins to get into the jackpot game, there may some
way of forcing the jackpot.Really a stab in the dark, I have no idea what he is doing.
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Maybe he is typing Jackpot on his keyboard while the reels are spinning. Just a bit of banter, I really doubt that there is a way for someone to cheat on it. But saying that we all know that Frankenstein slot when Nicola found a bug in that as well. So Net Ent is known for this. But who knows for sure.
 
He's done it again, cancelled 20k, now up at 35k

he sometimes wins 70 or 180 from his spins, but his main winnings is from the bonus round
When I look at his gameplay logs it usually goes something like this:
bet 200
win 0
bet 200
win 0
bet 200
win 0
bet 200
win 0
bet 200
win 0
bet 200
win 0
bet 200
win 0
bet 200
win 0
bet 200
win 70
bet 200
win 0
bet 200
win 0
bet 200
win 0
bet 200
win 0
bet 200
win 0
bet 200
win 0
bet 200
win 0
win 0
win 0
win 0
win 0
win 0
win 0
win 0
win 0
win 0
win 0
win 0
win 0
win 0
Big Win - anywhere from 5-6k up to 35k
 
Cant see why he would log in and not play though,the only thing that changes is the value of the top jackpot,the lower ones are fixed
I think.
I often wonder how many game have unintentional or deliberate bugs.VS have well over 2000 games,goto be some fiddles
out there.
 
Vibroverb said:
He's done it again, cancelled 20k, now up at 35k

he sometimes wins 70 or 180 from his spins, but his main winnings is from the bonus round
When I look at his gameplay logs it usually goes something like this:
bet 200
win 0
bet 200
win 0
bet 200
win 0
bet 200
win 0
bet 200
win 0
bet 200
win 0
bet 200
win 0
bet 200
win 0
bet 200
win 70
bet 200
win 0
bet 200
win 0
bet 200
win 0
bet 200
win 0
bet 200
win 0
bet 200
win 0
bet 200
win 0
win 0
win 0
win 0
win 0
win 0
win 0
win 0
win 0
win 0
win 0
win 0
win 0
win 0
Big Win - anywhere from 5-6k up to 35k
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That really sounds like the middle jackpot win,if the jackpot was won it would pay 20k,but each coin symbol pays as well so it would be over that.
The 5k wins sound like jackpot features where the lower jackpot is won or no jackpot is achieved but the coin values pay well.
 
He's now at 35k and just switched over to Wolf Gold at 25 per spin. The mystery deepens, but as long as he is not playing Divine Fortune Touch it's all good :)

Now he's back on Divine Fortune for 20 per spin
 
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JdRocks said:
Its simple, you just unplug your computer when the win is counting up.

Doesnt everyone do that?


Typed from my apartment in the Bahamas
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of course not silly, everyone knows theres a switch :P
 
Thoughts that come to mind : could this be a streamer? could he be running some kind of program gathering info and looking for patterns? did he find a pattern? Is he just an addicted slot player who may have lost a huge sum and is trying to win it back? Is he chasing the progressive? to many situations to determine if he is cheating. The idea I had in my head was he noticed something and may be testing and having friends test before they do hit the game hard. But as a gambler we all do stupid stuff and crazy bets sometimes. Ive been playing a game from pure hell for the last week chasing it just for the sport because it pissed me off. LOL so who knows keep us updated.
you could always call him and ask stating I noticed this is the only game you play and see how he reacts?
 
I promise I do not work for a provider, and don't think playing slots is a good idea if you wanna make money. I bet on sports myself and have a few things against Netent lately. I couldn't afford to play at high stakes and even I'd won 2-3k only, I'd be happy, cash it out and buy a guitar, go shopping.

It seems he has no discipline, maybe he's researching the slots, but my feeling is he is an out of control gambler, and logs in with the temptation to reverse the withdrawals and play more....I've seen it so many times, the player is way up on his deposit and can cash out 20k, but ends up losing it all
 
Vibroverb said:
I promise I do not work for a provider, and don't think playing slots is a good idea if you wanna make money. I bet on sports myself and have a few things against Netent lately. I couldn't afford to play at high stakes and even I'd won 2-3k only, I'd be happy, cash it out and buy a guitar, go shopping.

It seems he has no discipline, maybe he's researching the slots, but my feeling is he is an out of control gambler, and logs in with the temptation to reverse the withdrawals and play more....I've seen it so many times, the player is way up on his deposit and can cash out 20k, but ends up losing it all
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Well if he is an "Out of control gambler" then you should to the right thing and self exclude him. What with responsible gambling responsibility and all that good stuff. Just saying like.
 
interlog said:
Well if he is an "Out of control gambler" then you should to the right thing and self exclude him. What with responsible gambling responsibility and all that good stuff. Just saying like.
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But you can not just self exclude someone without asking them questions first.

The best approach would be for you to suspend his account and then email him or call him. And ask him some questions, just random questions. Just explain to him first you suspended his account until he answered some questions in line with responsible gambling. Nothing wrong in doing it that way.

But you can not just self exclude someone or close someones account unless he is or was breaking terms or is exploiting the slots in some way or he is a problem gambler.

Some people who have posted above are not understanding these simple rules.

@interlog - if that was you who just had his account self excluded without any correspondence or emails beforehand wouldn't you be just a tad bit mad?
 
@Vibroverb - another question for ya. Curious as to which casino it is?
 
DreamRJ said:
But you can not just self exclude someone without asking them questions first.

The best approach would be for you to suspend his account and then email him or call him. And ask him some questions, just random questions. Just explain to him first you suspended his account until he answered some questions in line with responsible gambling. Nothing wrong in doing it that way.

But you can not just self exclude someone or close someones account unless he is or was breaking terms or is exploiting the slots in some way or he is a problem gambler.

Some people who have posted above are not understanding these simple rules.

@interlog - if that was you who just had his account self excluded without any correspondence or emails beforehand wouldn't you be just a tad bit mad?
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Of course casinos can and SHOULD deal with problem gamblers, especially if the representative is saying he is one. Doing nothing is worse. If they are UK licensed then I believe they can be fined if they don't deal with problem gamblers.
 
interlog said:
Of course casinos can and SHOULD deal with problem gamblers, especially if the representative is saying he is one. Doing nothing is worse. If they are UK licensed then I believe they can be fined if they don't deal with problem gamblers.
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I know the rules and laws, but terms will vary per casino and license too.

But what your missing from my post I made was this. A casino can not just self exclude a player without asking them questions first. They can suspend the account until they have answered the questions by a support agent on responsible gambling grounds. A casino can not just self exclude a player without talking to a player first unless as I said they are breaking terms and betting irregularly.

And @Vibroverb has already said it is the usual betting pattern for that player. So that is not a reason they can close his account.
 
DreamRJ said:
I know the rules and laws, but terms will vary per casino and license too.

But what your missing from my post I made was this. A casino can not just self exclude a player without asking them questions first. They can suspend the account until they have answered the questions by a support agent on responsible gambling grounds. A casino can not just self exclude a player without talking to a player first unless as I said they are breaking terms and betting irregularly.

And @Vibroverb has already said it is the usual betting pattern for that player. So that is not a reason they can close his account.
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Semantics regarding the term I used. A casino can close a players account whenever they want to, without giving reason and should do in my opinion if they believe the player is a problem gambler.
 
I see a hornets nest about to be stirred with that comment-- sorry but to say you can close whenever you want to makes me not want to play online. Who is to say I win a million in lottery and change my pattern of gambling because i can afford to play big bets. You dont know i won and then i win another 50 thousand from you go to cash out and boom nope closing acct you have a problem. So its opens up a whole new dialog and explanation on what you mean on closing a casino acct whenever they want to.
 
The likelyhood of him "cheating" is close to zero. @trancemonkey could probably confirm this. Unless a specific slot is seriously faulty (like the case with the Frankstein slot), you can't really do anything extra to make the odds in your favor. He is just running on a lucky streak and you as casino should be proud to have such a player that would maybe even boast about it and essentially turn it into free advertising.

Thinking about closing down his account because he is winning too much is just crazy. Your other players should make a good profit anyway.
 
cpdnd31 said:
I see a hornets nest about to be stirred with that comment-- sorry but to say you can close whenever you want to makes me not want to play online. Who is to say I win a million in lottery and change my pattern of gambling because i can afford to play big bets. You dont know i won and then i win another 50 thousand from you go to cash out and boom nope closing acct you have a problem. So its opens up a whole new dialog and explanation on what you mean on closing a casino acct whenever they want to.
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And that is why they can not do it as I said above. I got no idea where interlog is getting that info from, but let me say that some rogue casinos are known to close accounts for any reason they like and that is why they are rogue. But casinos that have licenses in UKGC, Malta, Alderney I can assure you they can not close an account without real reason.

Let me give you an example. Say for example you played at a casino for a year and are loyal. You was a bit fed up so you goto live chat and say your a bit unhappy cos you are not winning etc etc. If you say the wrong lines that can trigger the live chat agent to then ask you some questions and if they feel you answered them in a way that sounds you have a problem with gambling then they will close your account. Furthermore, if say a few weeks later you then went to login and noticed your account closed and you had no email in that time either then you goto live chat and they explain why.

That could be because the agent that asked you those questions passed it onto another department and they read the chat transcript and decided that you did have a problem because of how you answered those questions.

So as I said casinos need to have proper cause for concern before they are allowed by law to close your account. They need to have a valid reason to do so.

Unless of course the player is breaking a term and condition or is exploiting slots in some way or betting irregularly as I said above.
 
Therefore, if someone is winning is a "problem gambler" and the casino can close their accounts without explanation ? Nice, where is the player protection then ?

Also, no player details given, but pretty much the situation appears like cyber-stalking and it raises privacy concerns.
 
iterativ said:
Therefore, if someone is winning is a "problem gambler" and the casino can close their accounts without explanation ? Nice, where is the player protection then ?

Also, no player details given, but pretty much the situation appears like cyber-stalking and it raises privacy concerns.
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I can assure you they can not do that unless it is a rogue casino licensed in curacao for example. Those casinos who have those license do close accounts for no reason.

The UKGC, Malta, Alderney has protection in place against this type of malpractice by casinos.

Furthermore do we ever see threads on CM about people who had their accounts closed in this manner? No we see threads relating to accounts being closed due to fraud, duplicate accounts, problem gamblers registering new accounts in sister casinos or the same casino, etc etc.

Rarely we might see some that say they was closed or suspended while an investigation is done to make sure of player bet irregularity and other issues. Most times those accounts get reopened within 24-48 hours.
 
iterativ said:
Excuse me ? I can't believe what I am reading on this thread. We all understand that the odds are against the players. So, if someone by luck manage to win something, sure go on, ban them. If casinos employ such strategies, let me know, so I am not going to deposit anymore.

Certainly, it doesn't appear to be a "small" player, but even so, I don't understand the animosity towards a winner. Is Casinomeister a site for players or casino representatives and affiliates ? Netent even conformed that is nothing wrong with the game.

If you turn 20K to 30K with a stake of 200 is similar to winning 10 with the min stake 0.2. Many here did that repeatedly, I assume ?

As others mentioned, the casino can very well change the max allowed bet if they are not comfortable with it. There are many online casinos nowadays that offer stakes for all types of players.
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Omg. Thank you. I was reading....what....wait....we’re supposed to be playing and winning...and that’s what he’s doing. Winning. Good for him.
 
I can see the headline now, dismissed around the world as 'fake news' - 'Player wins on Netent!' :laugh:

The guy is clearly a problem gambler, due to the pattern of reversals. If he wasn't, he'd leave the balance in the account and come back to it another time. Then again, we all know reversals are there to assist problem gambling, don't we?

Either that or he's a pretty shit money launderer.

Statement of means on its way?
 
It's possible that a slot pays better on a higher stake is it? In my experience they turn to ratshit when I raise my stake. The was obviously the Frankenstein exploit and there was a notorious cheat on land-based Book of Ra Deluxe going on for years on the continent.
 
Vibroverb said:
Thanks, unless the player's found a way to exploit us I wouldn't ban him, I don't like banning players because they're winning, and the game brings enough in TO and revenue that it wouldn't make sense to pull it down altogether.

We will leave it be until the end of the month, see what he does, as we have no proof there is anything dodgy going on, so maybe he's on a lucky 3 month streak, as I checked his account and he wasn't as lucky in the first 3 months so hopefully it'll go back to that. Over the last 3 months, the slot's paid him an average of 103.7% rtp and it should start to go down any day now :) Just waiting on him to reverse his withdrawals and start again. I can see he's logged in 3 times already today but still hasn't played or reversed.
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I have a couple of questions for Vibroverb.

How long is your pending period? Do you offer fee-free withdrawals? What are you weekly/monthly payout limits?

If it costs a player to deposit, either fees from the casino or the payment method itself, a reversal makes sense instead of a fresh deposit, and may not indicate a gambling problem.

As for closing accounts, I am not sure about the UK, but all the casinos I've joined have reserved the right to do just that, as long as they pay any balance in the account.

Once in a while we see a player come here complaining a casino closed their account "for winning". Generally, we laugh at the casino not understanding gambling, and advise the player that there are lots of casinos that would welcome their business.
 
This is starting to make me very uneasy. Are we all watched so closely?
Do casinos sit there watching when we log in and out seeing what we do. And when we win a few times in a row rush off to the game provider to make sure the game isn't broken. Then decide we may be a problem gambler . Consider whether they should terminate our account as we are supposed to lose not win. It's all a bit disconcerting.
 
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If a slot has paid most money out at higher stakes then it would take a long time for lower stake players to bring the rtp back into line , but that is the risk the casino or provider has to take.

In uk sports betting the bookies can’t wait to restrict the bets of profitable punters , I would personally think that this would be the worst thing that an online regulated casino could to to damage its reputation.

If the large stake is offered then the risk has to be taken of a high roller doing some damage.

But saying that does the casino have some sort of clause in the contract with the game provider , Netent, covering wins if in the future some sort of advantage play is discovered? Or insurance ?

Maybe Trancemonkey might have an answer ?
 
i remember playing candy dreams when it first came out
my rtp was amazing on the slot from thousands of spins
i kept winning and winning on the slot for a week or 2

one day it was taken down for about 24 hours
the slot completely changed and it robbed me of my balance on 2-3 deposits
i haven't played it since, because the slot is shite now
 
Borgie said:
This is starting to make me very uneasy. Are we all watched so closely?
Do casinos sit there watching when we log in and out seeing what we do. And when we win a few times in a row rush off to the game provider to make sure the game isn't broken. Then decide we may be a problem gambler . Consider whether they should terminate out account as we are supposed to lose not win. It's all a bit disconcerting.
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He's mentioned:
*plays daily for the last 3 months
*has so many withdrawals always going on, he just reverses them

I don't think I'd have to worry as you are I'm being watched so closely - those two statements alone would be enough to draw any manager's attention to an account - if not, they weren't doing their job.

Also your worries are player suggestion related, not from the casino side. The manager has stated:
*I don't like banning players because they're winning
*Thinking about closing down his account because he is winning too much is just crazy

So I'm not sure what is making you uneasy here.
 
6 months winning nearly every day and up 2700 x 20 euro bets on a progressive slot despite never having hit the progressive ? Yes I'd say he's found a cheat of some sort . Be interesting to see the data/ likelihood of this run being achievable since I assume the rtp of the slot minus the progressive is in the low 90s ? After 178000 spins and with not huge volatility it would surely be extremely difficult to run at 10% above trtp
 
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Even win the Mega Jackpot and instantly join the group of Millionairs ,which isnt as large as it should be anyway
 
shadow123 said:
typing random keys madly on every jackpot game as we speak ☺
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It is how you type the word Jackpot on the keyboard. You need to type the word within 0.00001 second :D :D :D :D :D

EDIT: I can manage 0.00002 seconds lol, So I miss out by 0.00001 second :D :D
 
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Well my current efforts and it’s worked twice now....

If you manage to get the free spins, click any wild Pegasus thingy as soon as it lands and it AWAYS expands for you. Sadly after I tried this they stopped appearing.

Aside from that, it is very laggy and slow to communicate with the server compared to other games....
 
Supababe said:
Well my current efforts and it’s worked twice now....

If you manage to get the free spins, click any wild Pegasus thingy as soon as it lands and it AWAYS expands for you. Sadly after I tried this they stopped appearing.

Aside from that, it is very laggy and slow to communicate with the server compared to other games....
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Erm... The wild is supposed to expand, when it first lands, in the free spins, lol
 
DreamRJ said:
And that is why they can not do it as I said above. I got no idea where interlog is getting that info from, but let me say that some rogue casinos are known to close accounts for any reason they like and that is why they are rogue. But casinos that have licenses in UKGC, Malta, Alderney I can assure you they can not close an account without real reason.

Let me give you an example. Say for example you played at a casino for a year and are loyal. You was a bit fed up so you goto live chat and say your a bit unhappy cos you are not winning etc etc. If you say the wrong lines that can trigger the live chat agent to then ask you some questions and if they feel you answered them in a way that sounds you have a problem with gambling then they will close your account. Furthermore, if say a few weeks later you then went to login and noticed your account closed and you had no email in that time either then you goto live chat and they explain why.

That could be because the agent that asked you those questions passed it onto another department and they read the chat transcript and decided that you did have a problem because of how you answered those questions.

So as I said casinos need to have proper cause for concern before they are allowed by law to close your account. They need to have a valid reason to do so.

Unless of course the player is breaking a term and condition or is exploiting slots in some way or betting irregularly as I said above.
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A casino maybe can't 'self-exclude' you but they can 'exclude' you
They CAN close anyone's account, without giving any reason. So long as there aren't any outstanding balances, it's quite legal.
Any company has the right to refuse your business, without reason. Be it a shop, pub, online casino, or whatever

Most, if not all casinos have a clause in their T&C

Here's the clause from Videoslots

1.4 Videoslots reserves the right, at its own discretion, to:
  • decline a person to open a Videoslots account and/or to close an existing account decline to accept no deposits without any explanation, provided that any wagers and winnings already made will be honoured by the Company as long as these were not acquired by fraud or other illegal or illicit means;

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So, he was the top loser last night! :)
Lost €10k on Divine Fortune Touch, finally. He also reversed most of his withdrawals and we're finally up on the month in regards to deposit vs withdrawal of player.
I believe he will now have to deposit again in order to play. Knew it was coming.

I try to be very fair to players, I started my career with a very well known company and enjoyed it a lot until management encouraged us to lie to players, etc, and I felt more like a player than management and since I mostly work for promotions, it is in my interest to be able to create attractive promotions, that can work for the casino too but neither side can be greedy. Before self-excluding a player, I'd definately speak to him to share my concerns.

Someone asked which Casino it is....well, it's a Turkish Casino, a lot different than some of the previous places, but I like it. We're kind of a turkish Mr.Green, except it's not green but blue.
 
Vibroverb said:
So, he was the top loser last night! :)
Lost €10k on Divine Fortune Touch, finally. He also reversed most of his withdrawals and we're finally up on the month in regards to deposit vs withdrawal of player.
I believe he will now have to deposit again in order to play. Knew it was coming.

I try to be very fair to players, I started my career with a very well known company and enjoyed it a lot until management encouraged us to lie to players, etc, and I felt more like a player than management and since I mostly work for promotions, it is in my interest to be able to create attractive promotions, that can work for the casino too but neither side can be greedy. Before self-excluding a player, I'd definately speak to him to share my concerns.

Someone asked which Casino it is....well, it's a Turkish Casino, a lot different than some of the previous places, but I like it. We're kind of a turkish Mr.Green, except it's not green but blue.
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Ok thanks for letting us know :)
 
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